View Full Version : My name...is (Sir) Michael Caine

Richard Taylor
26th Apr 2009, 18:40
Seems the grumpy old man is complaining at Liebour's 50% tax rate & that he will move abroad if it goes through (fair enough some would say) but also that there are 3.5m "layabouts" as he puts it, & he cannot see why he should get up at 6am whilst other people sit on the arses all day.

Obviously there are some who indeed "work the system" but all 3.5m as "layabouts"? Bit OTT?! :hmm: Michael - you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off - talk about a self-preservation society!

So the rantings of a Knight of the Realm or is he at least in part right?

Besides, doesn't he have plenty dosh to spare, after his bank job in the 60s? I assume his "great idea" did work?


26th Apr 2009, 18:47
“The basic rule of human nature is that powerful people speak slowly and subservient people quickly -because if they don't speak fast nobody will listen to them.” (attributed to Michael Caine by I don't know whom...)

Scooby Don't
26th Apr 2009, 19:00
I'd say he's mostly right! Impolitic, perhaps harsh given the reality that a great many people are losing or have lost their jobs through no fault of their own recently, but much of the "structural" unemployment which existed before the recession was caused by the workshy and those for whom benefits made better financial sense.

As the chancellor, and the former chancellor now in No 10 know very well, the 50% tax rate is basically revenue-neutral or even revenue-negative. The extra money raised is balanced or exceeded by the mobility of the rich (for whom the UK will now have the 3rd highest personal income tax rate in the developed world). It is essentially a "f*ck you" to the next government, since Messrs Brown and Darling know they won't likely be in it. It's a poisoned chalice for the Tories, for to do the sensible thing from an ecomonic standpoint - abolishing the 50% rate - is also the thing most likely to open them up to attack for "making the rich richer".

The whole budget is a smoke and mirrors exercise, doing nothing to cut government spending (talk of efficiency savings is bogus in the extreme - real cuts have to be made). Previous recessions driven by inflation may have been curable with the Keynesian medicine of government spending, but this recession is driven by debt. Increasing national debt to the tune of over 170 billion of the taxpayers' pounds in each of the next two years (to something like 1.3 trillion in total) will not cure this recession!

I left the UK when it was booming (or so it appeared anyway), and I remember only a year or so ago the agitated posts of little Englanders in these pages, berating those of us who left the Sceptered Isle of our own volition. I'm glad I left but I'm utterly devastated for the sake of a country I still love that it is in such a shambles. Anyone in the position of Sir Micheal Caine, with no need to reside in a particular place for work purposes and a high income, would be incredibly stupid or incredibly selfless NOT to leave!

26th Apr 2009, 19:03
Isn't Sir Michael Caine a lifelong Labour supporter?

Surely he is old enough to remember the last time the socialist idiots ruined the economy.

26th Apr 2009, 19:08
You may be thinking of Michael Foote...

26th Apr 2009, 19:10
Your a big man (michael) but your outta shape....

3.5M no... but probably 500K hardcore, coupled with our immigrant friends... who allegedly at Calais know only one word... "England".

Thankfully I know two particular words "Not England"... and that's why I left (although here temporarily its not out of choice).

There was a time flying the British flag meant something. Not any more.

Heck not even our friends the Gurkas (top blokes) can get in... but if your Kurdish no problem mate and we will throw in a flat and benefits for you!

I know... drifting a bit... however the point stands... a lot of the hardcore benefit population are actually (recent) immigrants.

26th Apr 2009, 19:14
I had no idea the UK was that bad, although what you read is not all good. Maybe M Foote is still around!

Noah Zark.
26th Apr 2009, 23:10
Quote Isn't Sir Michael Caine a lifelong Labour supporter?........You may be thinking of Michael Foote...Unquote
He may be thinking of both Michaels, both of whom appear to have put their Foote in it!

27th Apr 2009, 06:41
...or maybe he remembered this chap.

Rivers of Blood speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech) who wasn't Labour.