Shine Aviation

[1224]

I'm looking for info on this mob.
- Good or bad to work for?
- T and C?
- How much flying/ what type(majority scenics or charter?) etc

Have tried a search but have been unsuccessful so far.

[The Green Goblin]

2 x C404
1 x PA31-350
3 x PA31-310
3 x BE58
1 x PN68

Expect about 35 hours duty per week and around 15 hours multi with some single charter and Flight instructing. All the multi engine work is RFDS contracts and mining charter with contracts in place and regular work. Occasional scenics but that is more the domain of the other operators on the field who pick the bones of whatever is left over.

Great to work there, good guys, Gerro is cheap to live and the owner keeps the fleet in good order, CP is also a good guy. Avoid the other large operator there if you can, unless you enjoy max duty washing anything and everything the owner desires, however its not really a bad first job all the same.

PM for names if you require.

[Zhaadum]

Why should ANYONE but the boss wash his car? :mad:

Get him to wash it himself!!!

[The Green Goblin]

Wendy,

Afraid you have the wrong person, I do know him however - Nothing wrong with what I have said and I have helped quite a few guys and girls on here get their first job. I have nothing against your company or the way you run your business and have steered several people there seeking work, I also said it was not a bad first job and I understand the guys do some fantastic flying down that way.

Its prudent that we all stick together in these hard times and help each other out.

[j3pipercub]

"amazing how the applicants are all almost begging for a start, and of course they say they will absolutley anything to get that start - and maybe that does necessitate them agreeing to wash aircraft, and the boss' car once in while. Just remember that small GA companies are where lots of you guys get your start."

So that's your justification for getting the 'young guys' to wash your car?? You know they are desperate for work so you make them wash your car??

*cough* loser

j3

edit: awww, now you've gone and removed your post...:hmm:

[Ref + 10]

I would've like to read that one Wendy... :(

[Di_Vosh]

Wendy had just posted some info regarding her outfit. J3 pipercubs quoted comment was taken from Wendy's post. There were other comments as well (can't remember them).

I've not worked for Wendy, but I know her via my fiancee's family. She's a good operator and has given plenty of newbies work over the past few years. Some of the people she's helped along the way have repaid her POORLY, IMHO. Again, my opinion, you could do a lot worse than fly for her operation.

If you're asked to wash the bosses car, well so what? Five minutes out of your life; get over yourselves. I don't see the problem. In other professions you'll be required to do things well outside (or below) your job description. Just because you're a CPL doesn't mean that you're ABOVE anybody else.

DIVOSH!

[Checkerboard]

I never had a problem washing the planes I flew. In fact it shows some pride in your job and the outfit you are working for......however, I draw the line at washing the bosses car. That is just taking advantage of people, and I am sorry to hear you trying to justify yourselfself on this one Wendy. Wash you own car!!!!!!!:= Maybe you are now ashamed of the comments you wrote and thats why you have removed your post? I hope so.

Reminds me of one place I worked and we had a work experience kid there for a week. The boss sent him back to his house and made him chop firewood! Needless to say I was disgusted!

[HEALY]

Di Vosh


Maybe the case, and im sure if I asked you to give us some examples then you probably could, however there are not many professions you pay 60 grand plus to earn the priviledge of washing a car.

Desk duties and SLJ's (s###ty little jobs) which may happen to be a little work related such as answering a phone call bout joy flights or doing some ammendments I reckon are reasonable and things I myself did years ago for my first job...that is not too demeaning in my opinion (not the best either!!!) but you have to draw the line somewhere.

It all comes down to the whole idea of "race to the bottom" when everyone realises the difference between a work related SLJ and just plain exploitation then we should be fine.

[j3pipercub]

Ok then DI,

By your logic, if it's only five minutes out of your time (I'd love to see a car washed properly in five minutes anyway!!!!!!!), then you won't mind washing the captain/ops guy/maintenance van at qlink then eh?? If not, why not and where then is the di-lineation. At what point do you say no??

j3

[bushy]

Healy
How would you like to work for an outfit that requires you to beat the bushes and generate a cash flow from donations that is sufficient to pay your wages?
This does happen in Australian GA. It is one of the reasons why other, conventional operations struggle to compete. Most GA operations are impoverished.

[Dragun]

Interesting debate

Apparently GAC has a pilot who flew the dreamliner for Ansett.. Jetstar mustn't be happy with that news.

"Lesley has previously been the Chief Pilot of Rottnest Airlines, a CASA officer and flew BAe 146 and B787 aircraft for Ansett."

Geraldton Air Charter Pty Ltd - Staff (http://www.geraldtonaircharter.com.au/staff.htm)

[Towering Q]

Just remember that small GA companies are where lots of you guys get your start

The fresh CPL pilot versus small GA company is a classic symbiotic relationship. The relationship is a mutually dependent one.

The 'applicants' need hours in their logbooks and the GA operators require pilots to fly their aircraft. If the new starts manage to bypass this first step, ie. cadetships etc, the GA operator suffers.

If the GA operators go out of business, the new starts that don't take the cadet option or want to travel the GA road (character building stuff), have no means of gaining the elusive 500 multi.

From my experience a good GA operator will keep a pilot for 1 - 2 years, sometimes longer, before they are ready to take the next step. The pilot moves on with fond memories (hopefully) of their time at the company and the company has had 1 - 2 years of good service.

It is a fine balancing act and either party can abuse the process.

Ps.. in 7 years of GA, I never had to wash a car.:ok:

[Skystar320]

The wax has to shine from the Merc

[HEALY]

BUSHY

I am aware of small GA operations in Australia as I spent 6 years flying in such operations. I heard for 6 years that my companies were going broke and couldn't afford to pay me that extra 10 bucks for that extra long charter or likewise....but you know what, I can assure you that behind the impoverished smokescreen there was enough money fo the owners to live a confortable life.

I can assure you that if the product and personel are right then clients and customers WILL come back for the extra you might be charging compared to the competition...and those who dont aren't worth keeping anyway and are generally the ones who after 90 days still haven't paid there accounts.

[bushy]

Oh poor bugger me. Mummy!!

[Cessna Master Beta]

Towering Q wrote:
Ps.. in 7 years of GA, I never had to wash a car.http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/thumbs.gif



Did you ever wash a plane ? :E Do you ever wash em now :}

[Towering Q]

Did you ever wash a plane ?

Yes, usually in January, when work was quiet and being armed with a hose was a good way of cooling down.

I don't know who did it in July, must have been you.:E

[j3pipercub]

Their website is very interesting. They seem very very very very proud of their award.. The watermark is a laugh too.

Oh Di Vosh, you still reading? I've just been down to supercheap and I've got a 20l drum of CT18 truckwash, just send me your postal address and I'll have it couriered down.

Nah better still, I'll just have it sent straight to Qlink at Mildura...

I'm sure your captain won't mind it if you sign off 5 minutes later and give his car a wash... That way you too can, as you so eloquently stated 'get over yourself'

j3

[Di_Vosh]

That's me told! ;)

I think I touched a few nerves here. Obviously, I didn't realise that the WORST THING IN THE WORLD is to be asked to wash the bosses car :zzz: .

J3pipercub, you might want to settle down, take a Bex, etc.

I'll say it again: In any job you have you'll be required at times to do things that are either not in your job description or are "beneath you". If you're the sort of person who gets bent out of shape when this happens, then you'll have a pretty rough time in your life.

DIVOSH!

[1224]

So does anybody have any more information on Shine? Or is this just going to turn into a pissing contest....:ugh:

[eternity]

the pissing contest is much more entertaining

[rwy01]

Di Vosh I reakon your on the money, funny thread by the way.

I know that if I had time spare I would always make my way to the hangar and find something to do be it Washing, Polishing, Degreasing you name it.

I didnt do it to brown nose I did it because I was proud to hop into that plane with Pax/Students.

By the way the new generation of pilots nowadays wouildn't even know were the dip stick is, they get everytihng done for them, which is a bit sad, I learned heaps from hanging around a hangar.

Final note j3piper get a grip on life it's OK everynow and again showning a bit of initiative and maybe getting rewarded for it.

Cheers,

Rwy 01

[bushy]

Towering CU
Reputable GA operators would also like to have pilots with 500+ multi time to fly their twins. It's safer that way. (see the thread "one big oversight leads to....) They will not suffer if there are no low time newbies available. They will be better, and safer. And without the city based flying schools setting up psuedo charter compnaies in the out back to sell training and ICUS the wages will increase again to a reasonable level, as they used to be.

The major airlines need crews with multi crew skills, not Psuedo ICUS on single pilot Navajo's.

There are real men who are happy to fly outback charter as a career when the prostitution stops and they can get real wages again.

[The Green Goblin]

We've got it all in here!!

'89
Working for low wages
Opportunistic operators
Demeaning tasks for the low time pilot

Surprised award wages hasn't been thrown in too!

[j3pipercub]

Rwy01,

By the sounds of things you were polishing a few things that belong to the boss.....;)

NO you NEVER did it to brown nose, noooo you wouldn't do that right??

I never have had a problem if asked to wash an aeroplane, as said earlier, it shows pride in what you do. The car is asking too much.

But you're wrong about one thing, I do know where the dipstick is. The dipstick is on RWY01 in Melbourne. :ok:

j3

P.S. AWARD WAGES. Just for you Green Gobin.

[the wizard of auz]

There are real men who are happy to fly outback charter as a career when the prostitution stops and they can get real wages again.
Aint that the truth. :ok:

[Hornet2000]

Towering Q,

"From my experience a good GA operator will keep a pilot for 1 - 2 years, sometimes longer, before they are ready to take the next step. The pilot moves on with fond memories (hopefully) of their time at the company and the company has had 1 - 2 years of good service."


Well said mate, thats how it should be, im a young pilot with great aspirations in wanting to fo GA and fly planes ANYWHERE.... CANNOT wait!!

[bushy]

If you ever get to an airline will you have the same attitude there?
I can't help but wonder if you know what GA really is.

[Towering Q]

Bushy, I agree with what you are saying.

However, the pilots with 500 plus twin time that the 'reputable GA operators' would like to keep aren't paid any more than the new start with the fresh endorsement, under the award at least, (just for you Green Goblin).

Where's the incentive to stay? It comes back to what you finished off with....when the prostitution stops and they can get real wages again

1224, although there hasn't been much said about the original topic, maybe it's a case of "no news is good news".

[Chadzat]

However, the pilots with 500 plus twin time that the 'reputable GA operators' would like to keep aren't paid any more than the new start with the fresh endorsement, under the award at least, (just for you Green Goblin).

Hit the nail on the head there.

[bushy]

Does anyone stay long enought to find out?

[the wizard of auz]

Only those that actually like 2 minute noodles and chateau De cardboard.

[Afterburner1]

Sorry to take this back to the original thread topic:}...
but if you did go to shine with around 1000 hrs, mostly all single engine charter, how long could you expect to wait before going onto the twins without stepping on any toes?

Burner:ok:

[quattros2]

shine won't put you on unless you have MECIR and an instructor rating (preferably G II). You'll be on a Navajo to start with then Baron etc. The guys you'll work with are mostly great crew, the flying is good. Sounds great? Uh uh. You'll be lucky to get 10hours multi a week, as many instructing in a crappy 150 and deal with an ashole boss that's on your back every minute.

[MACH082]

I used to work there and found it the best GA company I have worked for.

If you moan and expect everything handed to you without actually showing what your made of then don't expect to be rewarded with hours! If you get in and do the job then the hours will come.

I found JG nothing but a gentleman, you always knew where you stood, he didn't expect you to do anything that you were not comfortable with and if you put the work in you got the hours in return. Unlike most GA companies he pays for renewals, endorsements and your wage is increased as you become more experienced and useful to the operation.

I had 500 multi in about 8 months and did interesting and varied work. Can't complain one bit!

[eeper23]

I would have removed my post if I were you to Wendy.

If a CP ever asks me to wash their car, I will tell them to go get ****ed.

Shame on you Wendy, shame shame shame. :ugh::=

[Tankengine]

I think this thread indicates some of the complaints against gen Y!:hmm:

Back in the deep past I was working for a flying school [being paid the award - full-time] I flew, refueled, cleaned spark plugs, helped in hangar on 100 hourlys, mowed the lawn around flying school, did all sorts of paperwork, washed planes, [can't remember being asked to wash car, but could have happened!]etc, etc. "The job" was full-time so I worked for my employer for that time.

Have you checked out the award rate for a car washer?:}

[Towering Q]

"The job" was full-time so I worked for my employer for that time.


I suppose the point of the matter is where do you draw the line? Would you have a problem with doing your employers grocery shopping, dropping their kids off at school or even providing them with a relaxing foot massage at the end of a long tiring day?:eek:

[Tankengine]

Draw the line where you feel you need to!:ok:
In my time in GA I sometimes decided not to do things, the point is to be flexible and reasonable! [from employer as well]

Of course at your next job interview will you state " if you ask me to wash a car in the course of my employment I will tell you to f%^ o** " !?:confused:

[rocket66]

He He,

Everybody, thumbs up:ok: if you think J3 is a ******?

Christ I do!

Rocket

[Fat_Bulldog]

Pretty sure you have the wrong company there J3. From memory she is at Geraldton Air Services.

[j3pipercub]

my humble apologies, original post deleted... and rocket...:ok: But on a completely different note, how's that resume writing going...

[rocket66]

No need mate, most cadetship applications do not require a resume:ok:

[multime]

Beech 1900 drivers for Shine latest AFAP. Beats pushing a Navajo up hill.

[j3pipercub]

Ummm, ok. Good for you?

j3