GMA Letter to Crew

[Night Watch]

You can read it in full on IntraCX, but this is the bit that :mad: me off......


What can I do if I do not want any of these options?

You do have the option to remain on your current contract and if you do not believe the Company is facing difficulties, or do not wish to assist the Company through participation in the scheme, you do not have to elect to participate in the SLS.

This second alternative is obviously open to all but you need to understand clearly the statement that electing this option makes. Many of your colleagues have already participated in a voluntary unpaid leave (ULV) scheme. It is very likely that the vast majority of Company employees will participate in the SLS and it is therefore very likely that you will be in a very small minority of Cathay Pacific employees who have stated that they do not wish to assist the Company at this difficult time.


Sounds like a threat to me!

[RAT Management]

The best defence is an offence.... Just say no to it all we the majority will all be better off in the end! Farkn carnts!

[GTC58]

it's not on iconnect ....

[junior_man]

the letter has been removed from intracx.......

[Night Watch]

GTC58 and junior_man

Under "Crew Updates" on the Flight Crew site.... click show all

They are just a little slow putting it on the main page.


I will wait to see what the HKAOA have to say... but as of this moment, I wont be taking SLS or signing CoS08

[superfrozo]

It's baaaAAAAAACK...!

And my favourite quote:

"We have been able to structure the SLS and COS 08 options such that for some, it will not be necessary to make the SLS salary sacrifice if they wish to take COS 08."

So is saving cash now an issue or not CX?!?! :yuk:

Un-f&%$en-believable.

[AD POSSE AD ESSE]

Same same...

I'm tired of CX's bull:mad:

Enough is enough...

[Stiflers]

Nightwatch..... It is a threat. At what point in your CX career (3 month rolling contract) have you not been continously been subjected to this sort of thing.

The fact of the matter is, a bunch of flight attendants (~1000) took the UPL.... only about 200 pilots did. Therefore, the GMA, as always, is talking s**t. He has no idea what people are going to do. ie: He can't say there is a majority of pilots taking up the SLS.

I know I won't be taking the SLS.... I can't afford it nowadays. I guess I will now be frowned upon from the CX MANAGEMENT..... oh noes!!!!

[Gravox]

Talk about Scare mongering :mad:!!!

[tiger321]

I'm in the same boat as Stiflers - I will be persona non grata simply because I can't afford to help out. Simple as that.

I guess I'll get over it!

[Sqwak7700]

For COS 99 officers this will mean that you forego the one off opportunity to increase your retirement age, you will retire from the Company at age 55. With effect from 1st July 2009 no further extensions or renewal of extension contracts will be offered. In future, it is not anticipated that extensions will be offered again.

Let me get this straight; the same company that was so visionary that they couldn't make a good hedging decision, the one that predicted the crew shortage so well that we went from the DFO claiming us to be adequately staffed to "thank god the Oasis guys became available", this same company is now visionary enough to predict that they will never increase the retirement age to 65. This could be a 30 year forecast for some of us.

There is either 1 of 2 things going on here. They think we are that dumb, or they are really not too bright themselves.

[simplex]

There's no threat. It's a try on.

What's the definition of a quiet flight deck?

When the loser who took unpaid leave gets on board.

Funniest thing is the story about his staff travel tickets not working on unpaid leave ... err .. loser.

[Oval3Holer]

Where's all the bit about all current freighter Captains getting B-scale pax pay?

[advisory]

Oval 3 Holer
This is a direct lift from the DFO update:

There are a number of other significant components to the agreement, most notably the unification of Command Pay for Passenger and Freighter aircraft on the current B Scale, the addition of two more increment points on the Cos 08 F/O scale, the introduction of ‘longevity’ points for F/Os and an improvement in the Scope Clause to include Freighter aircraft. Full details of the agreement will be communicated to you all in due course.

I presume that existing freighter Captains will not get it (Bscale) until they have the seniority to hold a pax command and in future freighter vacancies will no longer exist - they will simply be -400 Command vacancies.

[SMOC]

most notably the unification of Command Pay for Passenger and Freighter aircraft on the current B Scale

This may be true and in fact it already is!

However it's UNIFIED after,

1. You have completed your contracted Freighter Service (usually 3 years or extension contract now).

AND

2. Subject to holding seniority for a PAX Command, which may be 10-15 years!

So be careful when dealing with CX, what they write is intended to make you think one thing when it actually means another. :=

If it's to good to be true, it usually is! :(

[ACMS]

And don't forget the extendees KEPT their original seniority number.

So when they come accross to B Scale Pax pay they will also be VERY SENIOR crew that will be able to hold/bid for a base AHEAD of the rest of you.

[cpdude]

I hope ALL Canadian Based A scalers refuse to sign! With on-shore happening Jan 2010, once you are Canadian employed the company will rudely find out it's illegal to force 55 retirement or adjust salary to B Scale at 55.

You can be A scale until 65 in Canada.

One more reason this on-shore bit is going to be real fun!:ok:

One thing I am curious about that someone raised recently...will all the YVR based Freighter Captains now be on Pax pay under COS 08? This issue is NOT CLEAR!:confused:

[SMOC]

All the COS 08s that I could open still have Freighter pay so assume Command Freighter pay is still alive and strong.

[Cavallier]

What about F/Os on HK Freighter base?? Am not quite sure what "First Officer salary scales are unified." meansas far as salary if you elect to go on COS 08??


The Cav

[Vtwin]

Under the paragraph "Retained Benefits," who are these folks?

"Officers in receipt of COS 99 Green Page Salary Scale will continue to do so until the earlier of either attaining age 55 or 31st December 2013."

[mayday911]

The HKG based freighter FO issue is covered in Crew Direct. It spells out the 5 options that CoS99 piots have to choose from.

Mayday

[SMOC]

Green Pages are A SCALE that's why we never see them otherwise you would have a riot (I wish).

[Vtwin]

Thanks. Makes more sense now, I really am getting screwed over.

[Sleeve_of_Wizard]

Am i still going to get paid the bypass pay I am owed from the current situation, or is it going to be just wiped off the map?

[ACMS]

Super B scalers have their own Green pages, it covers those that joined from 1st April 93 to 1st Apr 95. ( ie they too are B Scalers with things like a Travel Fund and slightly improved medical coverage )

If any Super B goes onto Cos08 they will lose their Green pages after Apr 2010 and therefore take another 8% pay cut.

In my guess there could be approx 100 guys that fit this catagory.

[Vtwin]

Even clearer, thanks.

[RAT Management]

How bout we all agree right here to say NO to all right now and stick together. One out were all out! lets make it life or death and show the company what the real threat is!

[Sleeve_of_Wizard]

Because there's only about 10 of us here.

[bobrun]

Where is the two "extra" pay points supposedly on the FO pay scale? The number of pay points in COS08 is the same as in COS99!

Also, there's no mention of the "longevity" points mentionned in the previous message. As this been dropped?

:confused:

[cx251]

Just like to say thanks to you all who worked on days off and helped the company out over the last 24 months or so. This new contract is especially for you!! Enjoy it!! I will be enjoying my base until 65!!
Some people just never learn.

[HeavyWrenchFlyer]

Is this a f'ing joke or what?!?! There's so much that's not specifically addressed and so many shady areas to be explained, and they expect us to make such a career changing decision in a matter of 10 days!!?? Even with all the relevent info it's a ridiculously short amount of time, let alone like this!!

For starters, I don't have access to the current copy of Cos.08! How in the f;kkk am I supposed to decide if I want to go on it or not??!! Are we expected to sign a contract without reading it in it's "current" entirety for ourselves first??!! THE COMPANY has sole responsibility to provide ALL information regarding this little surprise they've flung on us. They want us to send individual emails regarding each of the many many unexplained shady areas! And some of those will be answered privately! Great, more shadyness from cx! Nothing is ever open and honest. There's always a sh!t load of shady stuff going on behind the curtain. Some things never change. It's obvious that it's THEM who want to sell this package, we don't want to buy. So instead of presenting everything is a clear and unquestionable manner, they instead put out a brief couple of letters which leave much to be desired for those who will have to make a big decision based on that little info. And on top of it they put in a good dose of threats in there just for good measure.

WTFO ??!!:ugh:

[bobrun]

I don't have access to the current copy of Cos.08!

Read the GMA update! In there there is a link to ALL the COS08 available for download for all bases and HKG.:ok:

[flatlands744]

There's a link in the GMA letter to all COS08 stuff - it's on the Flight Crew page under personnel.

Have to say what a bland uninformative letter from the GMA; as expected though!!

Will be interesting to see the AOA's perspective on this?

[HeavyWrenchFlyer]

Yep, I found it, thanks!! I was reading a printed copy of the letter so the link wasn't so obvious.