Where is COS08 payscales?

[AV8R737]

could someone post this or tell where to find it on intracx. thanks

[scooby79]

..........:hmm:

[ACMS]

huh? that's quite a lot more than my current B Scale SCA pay????????

You must quote A scale surely?

[scooby79]

HKG based freighter is less. Nope, thats what they sent me when I joined in 2008.

[ACMS]

So, if i sign on the COS 08, take the Unpaid leave and get past 55 then I also will get a 20% payrise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It would be nice but I can't see it being correct.


infact to quote NR: "the unification of Command pay for Pax and Freighter pay on the CURRENT B SCALE"


What you have quoted are A SCALE salaries, sorry to disappoint you.

[AV8R737]

Those are the B-scale payrates for Asian base-HKD salary in the Veta COS. I can't find the COS08 payrates anywhere?

[superfrozo]

ACMS,

just a shot in the dark here, but are you sure you're not reading the numbers above as a monthly amount instead of the annual salary??! (albeit dropping off the last digit of course!).

Don't shoot - had to ask!:}

[ACMS]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh give the man a prize.

yes those are yearly scales.

Sorry, the COS shows monthly!!!

bugger:ok:

[scooby79]

I wish it was monthly.

[ALPHA FLOOR]

Just a convenience then that the FC recruitment managers husband has taken an early out-of-seniority freighter command and will shortly be checked to line - I THINK NOT!!!

AFL

[iMad]

Those figures listed are COS99 Asian Based B-Scales in HKD yearly figures, does anyone have COS08 figures?

Does COS08=UFO Scales?

[scooby79]

That is it, they are the same. Quote from the schedule where those numbers came from.

"The following salary scale is applicable to all pilots employed on a permanent basis on or after 1st April 1993"

It is what I get paid and I am on Cos08. Trust me, I just checked what my last pay was to make sure I wasn't being dumb.

[GTC58]

If this is true, FO's are taking a paycut with COS08. FO4 is a USD 20000 difference between the two payscales and a 3rd year FO will lose USD 59292 over 7 years. Plus taking a 3 week unpaid leave ......

[mayday911]

Just worked it out....taking out the first 3 and 1/2 years on the freighter and assuming the two new pay points are the same 2% increase. COS08 is an average paycut of over 25000USD per year over 11 years as an FO, including P Fund contributions. These are based on the USAB CoS99 B scale and the UFO scales wef 01JUL08.

[iMad]

Thanks for the info Scooby, but if I'm reading my COS99 correctly, its a carbon copy of what you provided on COS08, then why is this in the update:

DFO: "....For some individuals a move to CoS 08 will mean a reduction in income for the short term, either in salary or Bypass Pay...."

I can understand the Bypass being taken away from guys who sign over to COS08, but Income reduction?

[iMad]

And can someone confirm that COS08 DOES NOT EQUAL UFO Scale?

[mayday911]

As far as I know the based CoS 08 = UFO

[BillytheKid]

Let me see if I get this. If you are a US based freighter Captain, you get a payrise and you will keep your US base and fly pax. If you are a US based Freighter FO, you still get to keep your base (as an FO) but you lose money with the new scale, you lose immediate pay with a 3 week UPL and your opportunity to early freighter command evaporates.

Please tell me I am confused.

[sisyphos]

can somebody pls post the based crew Cos 08 ??

[GTC58]

go to crewdirect and you can download all the payscales as part of the different COS. USAB Unified COS08 payscale is significantly less than COS99. It seems that HKG Pax Unified and B-scale are the same at the moment. Freighter FO's seem to lose the most with the new proposal, followed by based COS99 Pax FO's. HKG FO's seem not to be affected by the change to COS08, at least salary wise.

[MACH.88]

scooby79 (http://www.pprune.org/members/169674-scooby79)
When were you hired and onto what fleet? As many have said, the scales that you have published are the COS 99 numbers. COS 08 came into effect if you STARTED 01 Jan 2008 or later.

Somebody please post the real COS 08 numbers.

MACH.88:cool:

[GTC58]

There is no Unified payscale for Hong Kong. COS08 = COS99 pay for Hong Kong based crew, excluding Hong Kong Freighter which has a different payscale.

Canada, US, New Zealand, Australia and Europe bases have different unified payscales which are less than COS99. Canada & US unified payscales have the biggest difference to B-scale, while Australian unified actually pays better for certain SFO yearly increments.

Seems that North American based COS99 FO's lose the most, with the Freighter FO's being disadvantaged even more, having the lowest payscale.

[sisyphos]

I can't find Cos08 on crew direct, can anyone post the figures,europe base, thanks.

[scooby79]

S/O, I STARTED in 2008 meaning I JOINED the company and SIGNED a contract called CoS08, pax obviously. :ugh:

I give up so could someone please post the CoS08 payscale.

[GTC58]

Scooby79

there is NO Hong Kong COS08 pay-scale. Only bases have a COS08 unified pay-scale.

When COS08 introduced the GMA wrote the following on the 08. October 2007:

"The Hong Kong FO B scale will remain unchanged (except for the increases referred to in the salary section above) and therefore, Second Officers who join starting from January will see the Unified scales apply only if they choose to go on a base as an FO. There is no plan to recruit Passenger DEFOs into Hong Kong at this time.

Current FOs and SOs will keep their current A, B or Freighter scales and will not be asked to accept the UFO scales."

[cxpilot]

Compairing the US B-Scale(1999) to the Unified COS08

B-Scale COS08

1SFO $116040 $110604
2SFO $118920 $112824
3SFO $121680 $115068
4SFO $124320 $117372
5SFO $126840 $119724
6SFO $129240 $122124
7SFO $131640 $122124
8SFO $133680 $122124
9SFO $135840 $122124
10SFO$137760 $122124


So over a ten year period you would take a US$89748 PAYCUT plus if you factor in the 15.5% cash in lieu of p-fund it US$103660 PAYCUT.

[Air Profit]

Including the P-fund contribution, a year 10 SFO will be $1600/mo worse off than present. Effectively, they have taken away your P-fund contribution. You didn't really expect to save for retirement did you..? :ooh:

[the reo]

HKG Fo's
My memory agrees with GTC on the last time this proposal was rolled out
Ie any SO in HKG is not worse off as long as they don't bid for a base in their first 4 years as a FO. However if you bid for a base in Year 1-4 you effectively work as a FO on the same money that you earnt as a SO.

But we all need to wait and see what is actually proposed/offered/ pineappled

[TheHKAOA]

ASIAN BASE - HKD Salary - B Scale
The following salary scale is applicable to all Pilots employed on a
permanent basis on or after 1st April 1993
SALARY
HKD
(W.E.F. 01.01.08)
RANK YEAR Annual Monthly
Second Officer 1 $398,148 $33,179
2 $445,944 $37,162
3 $499,464 $41,622
4 $559,404 $46,617
Junior First Officer 1 $610,848 $50,904
2 $684,156 $57,013
First Officer 1 $794,316 $66,193
2 $807,636 $67,303
3 $821,232 $68,436
4 $835,104 $69,592
Senior First Officer 1 $863,400 $71,950
2 $885,456 $73,788
3 $908,184 $75,682
4 $931,584 $77,632
5 $955,704 $79,642
6 $980,532 $81,711
Captain 1 $1,215,912 $101,326
2 $1,240,236 $103,353
Senior Captain 1 $1,265,052 $105,421
2 $1,290,348 $107,529
3 $1,316,160 $109,680
4 $1,342,476 $111,873
5 $1,369,332 $114,111
6 $1,396,716 $116,393
7 $1,424,652 $118,721
8 $1,453,140 $121,095
9 $1,482,204 $123,517
10 $1,511,844 $125,987
11 $1,542,072 $128,506
12 $1,572,912 $131,076
13 $1,604,364 $133,697
14 $1,636,452 $136,371
15 $1,669,176 $139,098
16 $1,702,560 $141,880
17 $1,736,616 $144,718

[Ex Cathedra]

For the IntraCX inepts out there :E:

Home Page-> Flight Crew-> Crew support-> Personnel-> Conditions Of Service.

It's all there.

[bobrun]

Home Page-> Flight Crew-> Crew support-> Personnel-> Conditions Of Service.

It's all there.

No, it's not. Just looked, and the only COS I can get is COS99, whether it's the HKG COS or one of the based COS. COS08 is not available. Presumably, it's only available for viewing to those that are employed on it.
If someone has the COS08 based payscales, please post them!

[Ex Cathedra]

Presumably, it's only available for viewing to those that are employed on it.


Funny. I'm on '99, and when I go on there I can see all of the COS08, including the original one, the UK one, German, and even the new VETA, USAB etc... effective 17th apr09. As a matter of fact, I can't even see the 99 anymore. Which goes lenght to tell me what my actual chances of staying on it are...

[sisyphos]

correct, it is not available for me neither on intra cx.. pls post it man!

[PEETEESIX]

Yeap I Don't see it either. I'm interested

[Oval3Holer]

CoS08 itself is only available on CrewDirect to those employed on it. The payscales (unified, etc.) shown within CoS99 are ALMOST the same as those in CoS08, EXCEPT that the US based payscale, shown as "Effective 1 January 2008" which we received in that August, 2007, email shows two columns, one effective 01.01.08, the other effective 01.01.09, the second being higher (a raise in payscales). The one in the CoS08 of those employed under it shows "Effective 1 July 2008," is HIGHER than the one effective 1 January 2008 for the first few years of FO, but is LOWER for later years of FO.

I think the starting salary for UFOs was raised between 1 January 2008 and 1 July 2008, but the annual increase in ALL UFO payscales was removed from the 1 July 2008 payscale printout.

Hmm...

[IFB]

For Eur scales see my previous post and X by 1.47.

[HeavyWrenchFlyer]

So let me ge this straight... From what I read, if you are a freighter based FO on USAB cos 99, and happen to choose to go on cos. 08 as a result of this offer, are you no longer freighter only?! Or maybe this is part of details coming out on monday!?!

And also, no 15.5% P fund with cos 08??

[Vtwin]

I have a US Base Unified Scale in my stack of stuff which lists the Senior First Officer monthly salary W.E.F 01.01.09 right next to the above rates.

These 01.01.09 US Unified rates are a bit higher.

Were these rates foregone for some reason? They are better but still below B scale.

Also, what else goes with COS08, I hear only two weeks leave or is it four? Certainly inferior to COS99. Too early to tell, but so far this deal does not pass the smell test. I will not take a pay cut to stay here for RA65.

[AV8R737]

So besides the difference in pay, COS08 also has no 15.5% and less leave?? Is this correct?

[Vtwin]

If so, no SLS out of this eternal FO either. :ok:

[Rice power]

Can you morons remove the payscales from a public forum !
This is private and sensitive information.
My wife's solicitor would love this information.
D!ckheads

[Grivation]

Same leave and 15.5% as Cos99.

The big changes are -
1. Retire 65
2. No bypass pay
3. Reduced salaries

Personally I'm happy with 1 & 2 but 3 needs substantial addressing :mad:

[Vtwin]

Hey Rice power,

No I won't, since you called me a d-head and a moron. Move to BKK and change your name. Anger management may ease the strain with the attorney also....

[Pogie]

Seriously, though... I have to agree with Rice Power. This is not the place for posting our salary scales.

[Vtwin]

All right Pogie, I will modify mine since I am a reasonable guy and your tactful. Live and learn Rice power.

Also, I just learned those 01.01.09 US Unified rates where taken off the table a ways back in answering my own original post.

[Rice power]

You can remove it now or you can see me in court.
This is no idle threat.
You signed data privacy legislation and I will hold you to it. You have until 0800z . Anyone who has not removed by then can, along with the administrators of this website, expect a letter from my solicitor.

[Air Profit]

Rice Power...you are a seriously comical absurd little man. Ooohhh, threats...! Let's see, I earn as a senior captain UK GBP yr 12 approx 10K/month. You can increase/decrease by approx 2% year. Furthermore, anyone who really wants to can find out our salary scales...especially a lawyer. I really don't need to ask why your wife left you do I...?

ps. salary scales are not 'private' under the terms of the legislation.

[Vtwin]

Rice power, yes sure you will, and you can expect a slander suit from mine for calling me a moron and a d-head. If you would have checked you would have seen I already did it. Keep it up, and I will send your ex a picture of you with those farm animals.

[Air Profit]

...farm animals....haha..:D (need a bit of levity at the moment)

[iflylow]

You can remove it now or you can see me in court.
This is no idle threat.
You signed data privacy legislation and I will hold you to it. You have until 0800z . Anyone who has not removed by then can, along with the administrators of this website, expect a letter from my solicitor.

Bring it, douche bag.

http://members.fortunecity.com/dpilots/dpa/id19_m.htm#salary_scale_comparison
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/international/cathay_pacific.html
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbour-wannabes/174301-pay-scale-cathay-pacific.html
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbour/61998-cx-salaries.html
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbour-wannabes/149895-facts-cathay-dragon-pay-scales.html
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbour/241584-defo-unified-salary.html
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbour/293163-question-about-job-offer.html
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbour/296025-new-joiners-unified-first-officer-pay-scale.html

[19weeler]

Rice Power...

You naive D!@#head. You don't actually think your wife's solicitor doesn't know exactly what you make do you?
Any moron can search the web and come up with this information.

Although as a matter of etiquette, I do agree with not posting certain information on this "Jerry Springer" forum.

But please take your Mr. Tough Guy "I'll call my lawyer" Bullsh!t somewhere else!!!!
:yuk::yuk:

[19weeler]

C'mon Rice Power!

What did your solicitor say?

I hope he is smarter than you are! :oh:

[pacific blues]

Hey Rice Power, glad RA65 has finally arrived?:rolleyes:

[M89speedtouch]

Can you morons remove the payscales from a public forum !
This is private and sensitive information.
My wife's solicitor would love this information.


Ricepower do you really think your wife's solicitor uses Pprune to source readily available information? Don't make silly threats - they make you look eeerrrr silly.

[HeavyWrenchFlyer]

I guess I might be a little confused here!! Going from Cos.99 to Cos.08 unified payscale, will frieghter FOs go across to the SFO or FO payscale?! And how has it been done up 'til now going from freighter to pax FO after the 3 yr. committment is up? Does a freighter FO going to pax start on SFO or FO scale ?!

[badairsucker]

Thanks Rice power,

A nice little break from the CX doom and gloom.


:D

[Blogsey]

The big changes are -
1. Retire 65
2. No bypass pay
3. Reduced salaries

Personally I'm happy with 1 & 2 but 3 needs substantial addressing

BPP is still included in COS 08

[TheHKAOA]

Then just call the AOA office and I am sure they wills end you a copy.

[GTC58]

HeavyWrenchFlyer

When your freighter commitment is up you go from FO4 freighter scale to FO4 B-Scale.

How I see it with the present offer, depending on how long you are with CX you will either go from FO2/3/4 freighter scale to the FO2/3/4 unified scale. Where FO2 is a payrise, FO3 is a small paycut (compared to freighter COS) and FO4 is a huge paycut compared to B-scale if you are on USAB.

[Vtwin]

Yes a huge cut, over $600USD mos. on average for the 6 years we have Unified SFO scales for. This includes the P-Fund contribution a Based USA SFO takes in cash. Just so you can work here another ten years while your COS continues to erode? What if your health declines or you botch your next Line Check? This is like paying for future air. Put that money in a college fund, go back to school and get a real job. CX should not be the center of your universe.

[HeavyWrenchFlyer]

So basically it's a shaft job. This is their way of giving us a paycut, pure and simple. As if our pay package was all that to beging with until we move to the B-scale. Now via indirect threats and manipulation they're demanding time off without pay, and trying to force us to take a paycut. Any one of us with half a brain accepted the freighter payscale as a way of getting to B-scale pax. Otherwise we would only use this job as a stepping stone to another. I guess that's what we're back to now... cx = stepping stone! I hope they don't again wonder what hit them when they start losing FO's to FEDEX and UPS again left and right in the future!

And what if you don't take the Cos.08 offer!?! All those who do will be on the pax side ahead of you and when you're done with your 3 yr. commit. , there are no slots available for you to take at the base you want! Stuck on the freighter indefinately. Except maybe if you want to move to HK.

They're trying to eliminate a bad situation of their own making by streamlining the work force out of the circus which it is now. But at the same time creating another set of problems that weren't there before.

:*

[AD POSSE AD ESSE]

Welcome to CX!!!:eek: