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Tonic Please
11th Apr 2009, 17:50
Have a giggle:

Prague's Kafka International Named Most Alienating Airport

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...and this one was funnier due to the people who think it's real!
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larssnowpharter
11th Apr 2009, 17:53
No competition:

Tirana

al446
11th Apr 2009, 19:02
Would that be the Tirana that is twinned with Blackpool? Should be.

barit1
12th Apr 2009, 02:03
A ticket agent in Dubai booked me on an RJ TriStar. Once on board I was told my assigned seat didn't exist. :rolleyes:

The resourceful crew put me in the jump seat. Kid you not.

galaxy flyer
12th Apr 2009, 03:58
Anyone check the Vnukovo Madness thread over at Bizjets forum? I'd vote for it, based on the thread and personal experience.

GF

Metro man
12th Apr 2009, 04:10
5 replies and no one has suggested LAX yet ?:}

ExSp33db1rd
12th Apr 2009, 04:18
5 replies and no one has suggested LAX yet


......I will !....

shnev
12th Apr 2009, 06:42
port moresby

Captain Nomad
12th Apr 2009, 06:51
I was wondering how long it would take POM to appear... Domestic terminal in particular...!

Schumi - Red Baron
12th Apr 2009, 08:06
Mumbai airport, VABF... :(
I am speaking as a passenger.

Lon More
12th Apr 2009, 09:03
For getting to where you actually want to be; anywhere RYR flies. Is it called Brussels South or Paris North this week?

BombayDuck
12th Apr 2009, 11:30
Schumi, when was the last time you flew through it? It's been heavily upgraded - domestic and international terminals - and I last flew six months ago. Had no trouble, and I caught a flight at the worst time possible. The only mess currently is the traffic scenario but that is because they're upgrading that too.

you HAVE to see the domestic one if you haven't. It is stunning, clean, bright and airy.

Storminnorm
12th Apr 2009, 11:44
I don't go anywhere near airports anymore. Bl**dy dumps!!
Hate 'em all!!!

Most of 'em are just Shopping Centres, with a runway.

Shack37
12th Apr 2009, 11:53
Malabo, Eq. Guinea

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galaxy flyer
12th Apr 2009, 15:52
Shack37

With that, we have a WINNER!

GF

Schumi - Red Baron
12th Apr 2009, 16:01
Schumi, when was the last time you flew through it? It's been heavily upgraded - domestic and international terminals - and I last flew six months ago.

Last time i flew from there was August,08... I was on a flight from Mumbai to LHR... In Mumbai, water was dripping from the roof... There were buckets under that, so that the water doesn't spills on floor... The floor was all dirty... It smelt like s***.... I think it was the biggest mistake i ever did... :mad:

Had no trouble, and I caught a flight at the worst time possible.

I couldn't understand that part... What is good or bad time...:confused:

ozangel
12th Apr 2009, 16:10
Its been a few years, but I found POM to be pretty good...

Yobbo
12th Apr 2009, 16:22
LHR .. dirty smelly.

JEMAVION
13th Apr 2009, 00:37
KLIA gets my vote. Not for being dirty, just the sheer boredom. And Malaysia reckons it's the best in Asia!

Sultan Ismail
13th Apr 2009, 00:47
KLIA! Worst?
If it's boring, that could be due it's efficiency in moving pax.
Try changing 'planes in SIN or the worlds worst LHR.

KLIA = Kuala Lumpur International Airport
SIN = Changi Airport Singapore
LHR = London Heathrow

Rich Lee
13th Apr 2009, 05:49
Every airport in the US since airport security was mandated.

OFSO
13th Apr 2009, 09:18
Yeah, but "worst" in what sense ?

For aircrews landing there (ATC) ? local terrain and weather ? for SLFs transitting ? for facilities or cleanliness ? fart-arsed security ? - ease of access ? - all different.

Example from SLF PoV: Perpignan is easy to get to and very non-stressful, even security are OK (unless you are carrying camembert or fois de gras) but then you get locked into the Black Hole of Calcutta for two hours until the FR from Stansted rolls up outside.

Two 737-800 loads of PXs in a room built for 50 with no water, no windows, seating for 20, toilets for 5, and no ventilation anywhere. The only entertainment is watching screaming kids get their ears whacked by their chav parents. Yeah, great.

BombayDuck
13th Apr 2009, 12:05
Schumi, I meant at a time when the concentration of flights was maximum :)

AMF
13th Apr 2009, 14:04
I was thinking Khartoum, Lagos, or Nairobi, but they always fall short when it comes to the King of the Worst;

Heathrow.

flyblue
13th Apr 2009, 14:38
Another vote for Malabo, Equatorial Guinea, and one for Bristol :hmm:

Juud
13th Apr 2009, 14:51
Some of you really have led sheltered lives. :rolleyes:

Little known fact; Lagos' Murtala Muhammed was built a direct copy of Schiphol Amsterdam. Walking back and forth to the aircraft at LOS was weirdly disorienting; structurally identical to SPL yet completely different due to sound, smell, light, cleanliness and the large number of soldiers.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/LagosAirport.jpg

Nowadays of course the place is so worn down that only by looking at the ceiling strips will you notice the last vestiges of similarity..

AMF
13th Apr 2009, 15:39
Juud Some of you really have led sheltered lives.

The times I've been through Khartoum, Lagos, and Nairobi airports I've always thought "well at least I'm not at Heathrow". I'm really not kidding. No joke.

er340790
13th Apr 2009, 16:35
GZA................... or Yasser Arafat International.

Delays of 8+ years commonplace apparently.

flash8
13th Apr 2009, 17:54
to operate into or as a passenger?

As a passenger Sheremetyevo-2 (Moscow) for years could easily be described in unflattering terms (last modernized for the boycotted 1980 Olympics).. to its credit though (and my total amazement) it has cleaned its act up somewhat the last 3 to 4 years (obviously competition from DME which is really amazingly different) - although the Taxi mafia still have first precedence on the unaware.

Leaving SH-2 once with my Captain we saw a guy being beaten to sh*t by a police officer (militsia MVD) - the good Cap'n (An American, at the top of his voice) shouted "Weeeeeeeeeeelcome to Moscow", which even got some Russians tittling. He loved the place did he.

Rollingthunder
13th Apr 2009, 17:59
Guess I'm alone. I go through LHR about twelve times a year. Once spent an hour in customs arrival in a hot, crowded, airless room and it's always a bit of a slog to the gates but otherwise no problems. Duty-free or tax-free is crap but they all are. I buy mine on-board. Much better pricing.

mini
13th Apr 2009, 22:35
Worst? Luanda early '00's followed closely by Pristina, same era.

LHR's a dump, but once you get to know your way around it its expected so no surprises.

AMS is OK except for the fact that my baggage seems to get delayed every time I pass through the place.

Helsinki and Ljubljana get my vote for decent pax experiences.

srobarts
13th Apr 2009, 22:46
I was wondering when Lagos would crop up, its a few years since I've been through there so I thought that perhaps it had improved! Still remember the $5 admission to the first class lounge improved the experience.
The other nightmare for me in Africa was Libreville - over zealous soldiers trying to control queues with their rifle butts. Ah well the barman at the hotel thought he had the remedy for tired travellers with his stock "would you like a woman with your beer?"

BarbiesBoyfriend
13th Apr 2009, 22:48
EDI

Everything here is a problem.

Useless handling. Slow ATC. Pish layout of the airfield (at least since it was rebuilt.......as RAF Turnhouse it was fine!)

Full of folks who think their job is someone elses....Oh.....And you'll have had your tea!

GLA, only 40 miles away.....500% better....always was, always will be!:ok:

pigboat
13th Apr 2009, 23:57
This one doesn't offer much by way of amenities. :p

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/Siddley-Hawker/Resolutionairstrip.jpg

Rwy in Sight
14th Apr 2009, 05:05
LHR is fine. Never had a real problem with a very minor problem at immigration last year with two ladies )of hm how to say from the colonies) who were more intrested to chatting to each other rather than processing incoming pax.
Otherwise excellent experience well organized security and a lovely place to fly from. (and Yes I am refering to terminals 1 to 4 and yes I am don't dream).

The vote for the worst is Brussels Zaventem. Bad overall, difficult to find a parking spot, long long walk, rude staff.


Rwy in Sight

Bus429
14th Apr 2009, 06:52
Most BAA airports suck. Some UK regionals quite good. However, all seem to have trouble keeping the airports - and particularly toilets - clean. The one thing I cannot stand is the obligatory trip through DF to get to what little seating is available in the holding lounge.
Then...
DXB
AUH
BWN (but last visited years ago)
ALA


I "like" AMS ; it is a template BAA bosses should borrow. IST not bad, either. HEL, ARL both good. CPH good but expensive (the coffee at Cafe Karen Blixen, or whatever it's called, is very good)

henry crun
14th Apr 2009, 07:59
I despair at times pigboat, people like you are never satisfied.

What more do you want ? as soon as you step off the aircraft you can strap on your skis, gather your tackle, and after a swift exhilarating run to the bottom of the nearest cliff, after dodging the rocks, you can have a line in the water.

Yobbo
14th Apr 2009, 13:14
PIGBOAT

Looks like a Dew Line site, Which one?

Storminnorm
14th Apr 2009, 13:18
Mount Pleasant Airport is pretty grim.
And it's too bl**dy far away as well!!
Real dump when you do finally arrive.

Yobbo
14th Apr 2009, 13:30
STORMIN


Mt Pleasant maybe but where else do u get a band sending you off ?

Storminnorm
14th Apr 2009, 13:33
Yobbo, Jamaica? but I can't stand them bl**dy steel drums!!!!!

MagnusP
14th Apr 2009, 14:19
LHR has always been fine. T1 can get congested, but I've had some exemplary help from staff when making an international transit. A snow-delayed Munich flight into T2, car waiting for a Chicago flight from T3, and they had me back in the air in 25 minutes, complete with luggage and an upgrade. Absolute stars.

Verona's a dump.

vonbag
14th Apr 2009, 14:33
Funny you should mention that: I was there at Villafranca in May 2008,
considerable vibrations, seemingly less than pristine condition of RW and TXW surface.
I do not know if it's been upgraded by now. Will find out next May.

The SSK
14th Apr 2009, 14:45
I assume there have been 20 nominations for Manchester, all removed by a dodgy moderator.

HorseTrailer
14th Apr 2009, 15:09
Yangon..what a cr****ole

Tolsti
14th Apr 2009, 15:23
Makhachkala..... MHX in Dagestan.... only your Roof can meet you as a foreigner, hardly any aviation fuel and even the women carry knives!!

flash8
14th Apr 2009, 19:07
Makhachkala..... MHX in Dagestan.... only your Roof can meet you as a foreigner, hardly any aviation fuel and even the women carry knives!!

You'd better explain "roof"/krisha for the uninformed :)
See the old Soviet "Protection" system is alive and well in Dagestan then!

pigboat
14th Apr 2009, 23:01
Close Yobbo it's a Pine Tree Line (http://www.pinetreeline.org/) site, Resolution Island, at the entrance to Frobisher Bay.

SSK, did you get the stuff I sent on the Cats?

ChrisVJ
15th Apr 2009, 03:42
Hate the New Hong Kong airport. Lousy signage, lousy and exorbitant food. Lousy layout, Typical characterless sterile atmosphere.

Love the new Bangkok when it is not over run by redshirts. Nice atmosphere, nice bars and Italian style food bars in the departure area. Excellent food at a really good price.

Quite a contrast and exactly the opposite of what I expected.

WALSue
15th Apr 2009, 06:26
I'm travelling around America with Southwest in summer...may have some nominations after that!

JEMAVION
18th Apr 2009, 03:15
Chris V,
I think it was the yellow shirts who closed KK. The red shirts merely brought the whole country to a standstill. Think twice before planning trips to Thailand - it's not over yet.

obgraham
18th Apr 2009, 04:40
Charles d'f-ing Gaulle. Hands down.

kluge
18th Apr 2009, 05:14
Shreepit Lousyana is pretty rough - but then it is a US domestic airport.

Someone mentioned Port Moresby earlier. It's a close second.

seacue
18th Apr 2009, 13:00
Pointe-a-Pitre, Guadeloupe, used to be OK. Then they built the grand new terminal. There are air bridges for flights on jumbos from Europe, but if you use a turboprop interisland flight, you have to use stairs that circle the outside of a pillar to reach the arrivals level. Not a nice welcome.

The rental car offices were inside the old terminal. Now they are strung down an outdoor walkway.

Paradise Lost
18th Apr 2009, 13:25
Tied in bottom place...........Riyan and Sayun (International?) airports in the Empty Quarter, Yemen. Hideously hot 'n humid, no English spoken, and terminal buildings that smell worse than a cesspit!

Storminnorm
18th Apr 2009, 13:41
I quite like "Charles deF888kin' Gaulle" actually.

Something about the smell of coffee and garlic I think.

Capetonian
21st Aug 2009, 19:31
I'm surprised that it took 52 posts before anyone mentioned that old French President with a big nose who's been turned into an airport. The poor old sod would be turning in his grave if he knew what a craphole that airport is.

Loki
21st Aug 2009, 19:37
My son tells me that Kiev is a dump....but then he`s not just talking about the airport. We both quite like EHAM, and I definitely like CYVR, though the immigration people are almost as officious as yank ones.

Der absolute Hammer
21st Aug 2009, 19:44
I am not so sure that Le Grand Charles would be turning anything.
The airport began in 1966 and was opened in 1974. De Gaulle died in 1970 and so-he knew all about it and no doubt approved the Roissy plans himself.
I think that he would have been proud to have an airport named after him which is so incomprehensible as to be a Gallic shrug, so disorganized as to be an Italian stream of invective and so utterly contemptuous of its customers that even the malignant Anglais throw their hands in the air when confronted with the only real French memorial to a man who, at the end, was modest and self effacing.

con-pilot
21st Aug 2009, 19:53
Wow, a thread about the worse airports and I haven't chimed in with my usual....


ASPEN SUCKS!


;)

GuppyEng.com
21st Aug 2009, 20:07
I would agree with Malabo. Baku is not that special either!

galaxy flyer
21st Aug 2009, 21:06
What's wrong with Aspen, C-P? Admittedly, it is a three-cushion billiard shot to get in and out of the place; it's always fun to go nose-to-nose with the outbound commuter guys, but once there, welcoming enough.

GF

I haven't tried a 33 arrival and don't think I will, either. GLEX is configured and boards all the way in from Red Table.

con-pilot
21st Aug 2009, 21:51
I haven't tried a 33 arrival and don't think I will, either.

Believe it or not, I have in everything I've operated in and out of Aspen.

Jet Commander, now that was fun. (not)

Westwind II, a lot easier, huge flaps, great brakes.

Saber 65, a little better than the Jet Commander, but not much.

Falcon 50/50EX, no brainer.

Falcon 900EX, not quite as good as the 50, but still not bad.

The biggest problem landing 33 is not being the correct height over the end of the runway, but getting on the runway because of downslope, you damn near need at least a 500 fpm sink rate to land.

Oh, and done correctly the passengers on the left side of the aircraft get a real good look at the mountains. Kind of 'up close and personal' if you know what I mean.

I added it up once and I think I landed in Aspen over 750 times over a total sixteen of flying for a guy that lived in Aspen. The last time I flew for him we averaged over one landing a week for eight years, if that gives you a clue.

Now, a runway 15 takeoff is even more exciting, but I only did that in the 50EX and 900EX just a few times, just three times actually, twice in the 50EX and once in the 900EX. You have to have special permission from the Airport Director for runway 15 departures.

To be very candid, when the weather was clear and winds calm it is a pretty approach into Aspen, that happens about one Tuesday a year. :p

Oh, I hated it with a passion when they changed the operational time periods to allow night operations. It's like a night time carrier landing in mountains without an ejection seat.

So, if I never see Aspen again it will be too soon.

(Well, I might drive in. :p)

Crepello
22nd Aug 2009, 04:55
Cheers Juud - first time I arrived in Lagos the architectural similarities with Schiphol were striking, from the windowed piers to the escalator down to immigration. Didn't see any flies printed on the urinals, but you wouldn't know about that ;) Comparisons aside though, I still find AMS to be one of the world's finest airports.

I'll nominate Port Harcourt as my least favourite port of call, though it did cross my mind that LHR is a lot more hassle. PHC somehow does work, against the odds, and you always pick up a few amusing tales once you figure out how to play it there.

Libreville? Never had a problem, though heard a few anecdotes. One colleague recounts being there during a lightning strike by checkin staff - Air Gabon, back in the day. Fortunately, computerised check-in was u/s that night. As the story goes, himself and other regulars rapidly figured out how to check themselves in, take a boarding pass, sticker their seat number and send their bags down the belts. Nobody batted an eyelid. Very honestly, there are times I'm sad that my job doesn't take me into Africa any longer.

Bus429
22nd Aug 2009, 07:05
I wasn't as horrified by Lagos' airport as I'd imagined. That said, no towels or toilet paper in the toilets but the less-than-obliging obligatory attendant asking "have you got anything for me?" as you leave.

CATIII-NDB
22nd Aug 2009, 07:30
Corfu - over crowded , too small and chaos for Pax - flight announced with chalk on a black board - I wonder what its like for those at the pointy end of the aeroplane. PS there was a "Deaf" donkey theathered at the threshold of the 15 end - You know the bit where the RWY stops and you can get a clear flat run at crossing the road, of a bit late rotating from 33. Thats a few years back now - I wonder if things have changed.

CAT III

Squawk7777
22nd Aug 2009, 07:35
TUL and OKC

suicidally boring!

I am surprised no one mentioned IAD (especially the old C-D terminal), makes the old bit of CDG shine like a diamond from the 60s and 70s.

con-pilot
22nd Aug 2009, 17:05
TUL and OKC

suicidally boring!


Don't know about TUL being that boring, but, there's always 'Con's Pub' in OKC. ;)

Squawk7777
23rd Aug 2009, 09:23
I gotta admit that OKC is always good for a laugh upon arrival. The automated ATIS is the slowest in the country (probably because the Feds cannot keep up) and it is the only jail I know that's a. on the airport and b. has a jetway attached to it! That's one jetway I'd never want to use! :uhoh:

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Storminnorm
23rd Aug 2009, 09:58
Without a doubt, the worst Airport in the World IS Kano
in northern Nigeria.

mtoroshanga
23rd Aug 2009, 10:03
I am surprised Tehran has not been mentioned. I used to go through there in the early 70's and there was an incident when the roof collapsed and killed a number of customers(none of them Bristows or Schreiners, they were in the bar and only found out what had happened when they couldn't get the door open to go to the toilets). we had special escorts at one time to get to booking in.
Second must be Port Harcourt, I was there for about three years and could write a book, there was a scam going on at one stage whereby you could by-pass security with your baggage and have it put on an international flight unchecked for about $5!!

No_Speed_Restriction
23rd Aug 2009, 11:46
Larnaca....Especially when it's half-term.

con-pilot
23rd Aug 2009, 16:15
I gotta admit that OKC is always good for a laugh upon arrival. The automated ATIS is the slowest in the country (probably because the Feds cannot keep up) and it is the only jail I know that's a. on the airport and b. has a jetway attached to it! That's one jetway I'd never want to use!

As for the ATIS, let me give you a clue, OKC is where new ATC controllers are trained by the FAA. ;)

As for the jail, its proper name is The Federal Prison Transfer Center. There are two Jetways attached to it. So there. :p

There were plans to build more of these transfer centers on airports around the country, but it never happened.

Now, what is even better, is that the US Marshal Service Hangar is built on the northeast side of the airport, the transfer center is built on the other side of the airport, on the west side. So every morning, Monday through Friday one can see two MD-80s and one or more DH-125-800s taxi from the northeast side of the airport to the west side.

Back when I flew for them, in 727s and Sabre 80s, we had what could only be termed the worse maintenance contract company in the word maintaining our aircraft for about six months. It was not that uncommon for one to see the two 727s and two Sabres taxi over, then about twenty minutes later watch the two 727s and at least one Sabre taxi back to hangar because of maintenance issues. One day everybody had to go back to hangar and one of the controllers in the tower requested that we stop taxing back and forth as we were making them dizzy watching us.

jeanyqua
23rd Aug 2009, 16:50
I hate,hate,hate !!! Leeds bradford international (how the hell can they call it that.!!!)
We only use it as we travel to visit friends in Exeter,so it's easy to flybe down there.
Parking charges are ridiculously expensive !!
If the weather is bad,you end up getting bussed up from east midlands,as often particularly in poor visibility they close the airport to incoming flights.
The airport is stuffy,unwelcoming,& it's had extra bits of building that don't match or fit in with the design of the original terminal "stuck" on to it over the years..
The shops are cr*p,food outlets horrible,& it's only plus point is the Yates bar landside.
Once airside,there's a small pub,with warm beer,and uncontrollable children bagging all the seats,as mum & dad get pi**ed in there before their jollies to Benidorm.
Did i mention i hate it.:ugh:

barry lloyd
23rd Aug 2009, 17:18
Yep, I'll second that. Arrived there one morning in January this year after a heavy snowfall. Eventually found somehere to park, but the shuttle buses weren't operating 'for health & safety reasons', so we had to drag the baggage and other gear about 500 yds uphill in 3 inches of snow. When we reached the check-in desk, they couldn't check-in the baggage right away - no explanation given.
On return, put the coins into the slot for the carpark, and was short-changed.
E-mailed the airport the following day, and was told that I should have reported it to the reception desk. The balance (£2) was not forthcoming, but then Yorkshire didn't get its' reputation for 'being careful' for nowt! To add insult to injury, they then started spamming me with e-mails telling me how good the airport was! :ugh:
Inicidentally, is this the only airport in the UK with a branch of Greggs? (bakers of pies of all descriptions for those who don't know).

The dubious title of world's worst airport however, goes to Moscow Sheremetyevo in my book - especially now they've got the builders in...

Squawk7777
23rd Aug 2009, 20:43
Con-Pilot I wonder if we unknowingly crossed paths before. I first saw the US Marshal Service in LGB in Feb of 96. An old 727 (N113) pulled up in front of Million Air and loaded a bunch of prisoners. All of them were chained on their hands and legs. A Japanese student videotaped the whole deal, and next thing you know two huge (and armed) US Marshal Officers entered the flight school and took him and his videocamera for a "little talk".

Second time I came across this law enforcement agency was in LRD: Typical hot as hell weather (43C), the FBO flanked by armed guards in full combat suit, deportation busses waiting outside. As I entered the pilot lounge, the crew of a US Marshal 737 exited. All of them smokers. The skipper must not have been taller than 5 ft, really chubby, with a 10 inch cigar. The lounge was filled with blue smoke. It was so dense that you could not see the other end of the room. No joke. To this day I wonder what would have happened if I had taken a picture... :\ It would have probably been worth it!

con-pilot
23rd Aug 2009, 23:49
Con-Pilot I wonder if we unknowingly crossed paths before. I first saw the US Marshal Service in LGB in Feb of 96. An old 727 (N113) pulled up in front of Million Air and loaded a bunch of prisoners. All of them were chained on their hands and legs. A Japanese student videotaped the whole deal, and next thing you know two huge (and armed) US Marshal Officers entered the flight school and took him and his videocamera for a "little talk".

Second time I came across this law enforcement agency was in LRD: Typical hot as hell weather (43C), the FBO flanked by armed guards in full combat suit, deportation busses waiting outside. As I entered the pilot lounge, the crew of a US Marshal 737 exited. All of them smokers. The skipper must not have been taller than 5 ft, really chubby, with a 10 inch cigar. The lounge was filled with blue smoke. It was so dense that you could not see the other end of the room. No joke. To this day I wonder what would have happened if I had taken a picture... It would have probably been worth it!

An "old 727" (N113), that was our best aircraft. :{

Okay, I'll be serious. It could have been me at Long Beach, the reason I say that is because we were banned from operating at LGB because of noise. When the FAA force the city to modify the ban the first few trips we used the ramp at the FBO, then we got banned again, then when that ban was lifted the second time we used the compass rose on the northwest side of the airport out in the middle of nowhere.

Not me at Laredo. I left before they started using the 73s.

Oh, one more thing, if the 737 flight crew were wearing airline type uniforms, it was not a US Marshal aircraft, but a charter. We stopped wearing airline style uniforms around 96 or so, can't remember the exact year, and started wearing blue military style flight suites.

Okay, it was in 1996 when we stopped wearing airline uniforms, because when the screen writer for the movie "Con Air" rode with me we wore the airline uniform and when the movie came out in 1997 we were in the flight suites.

Dushan
24th Aug 2009, 01:07
Okay, it was in 1996 when we stopped wearing airline uniforms, because when the screen writer for the movie "Con Air" rode with me we wore the airline uniform and when the movie came out in 1997 we were in the flight suites.

So this guy played you, Con?

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:eNv6ZdhF0LOLWM:http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2028/1635944311_77b1629787_o.jpg

galaxy flyer
24th Aug 2009, 01:20
Connie

So, next I have to go to ASE, I'll get in contact; you are the most experienced ASE guy I know.

GF

West Coast
24th Aug 2009, 03:19
Dang Con, I have somewhere around 300 landings there, not even half of your total.

I didn't have gray hair till I started flying in there. Pretty sure I can blaim the twitch on ASE as well. You sir are correct, night landings there scare the bejesus out of me.

BenThere
24th Aug 2009, 10:57
Never flew into Aspen, but flew into Jackson Hole, Wyoming, home of Harrison Ford and Dick Cheney, three times this month.

A number of 757s and 319s (can't operate 320s there), fly there daily. The airport sits in a valley at 6400' FE with a 6300' runway. To the immediate West sits the US most rugged wall of mountains rising to 13,800'. To the immediate East, less rugged but 11,760'. Only a VOR landing North with a 3.5 degree approach slope. Thank God I was day VFR all three times. That was hairy enough for me, and resulted in me immediately seeking a saddle at the Million Dollar Cowboy bar, surrounded by bikers and bankers.

I am always annoyed coming over the parking garage on short final at San Diego. Whatever city council folks who approved its construction should be in prison. It forces a steep glideslope on short final for every flight to the runway used 95% of the time - a bad combination.

Rollingthunder
24th Aug 2009, 11:01
This is starting to sound like the Berlin Airlift.

astir 8
24th Aug 2009, 11:32
Back when Somalia was still a country - Mogadishu was easily the world's worst international airport.

Just as an example, on arrival, in order to change foreign currency into local currency, you had to buy a foreign currency declaration form. This had to be paid-for in local currency. Er.................

Even to this day if Mrs A and I are having airport problems we just look at each other and say "well it's better than Mogadishu" ....even Heathrow

panda-k-bear
24th Aug 2009, 12:48
Depends what you actually want but for transit I reckon that the absolute worst by far is CDG.

There's a transit bus airside. But only from some terminals. And only to some terminals. Never have figured out from where to where. I have been on that bus, though. Otherwise, and for me this is almost always the case, you get spat out landside to get the bus circulating between the terminals in the central area :uhoh::mad:

Loos were filthy to the point of overflowing one time I passed through :yuk:; signage up until very recently was utterly unfathomable :confused:; takes ages to walk from anywhere to anywhere :hmm:. OAG reckons connections are possible in 45 minutes. I never, ever, allow less than 2 hours. You can spend the first 45 minutes just on taxiways. I mean, just how far from the terminals are these runways? Just about in Belgium, I'd reckon :ugh:

Gouabafla
24th Aug 2009, 12:54
I won't argue with the suggestion of Malabo, though my own vote would go for Ndjemena.

Squawk7777
24th Aug 2009, 16:31
I never had problems in CDG. Never ever seen a bathroom that was dirty. I don't understand the argument of time when it comes to a big airport. Big airports require time to get from A to B. And CDG is not managed badly. And CDG can certainly keep up with ORD, DEN etc.

One airport that I forgot to mention is a former jewel of the 60s. STL! What a dump! The D concourse is a complete ghosttown, the roofs leak, and the only decent bit is the E terminal. The rest of the airport is just like the city, no gateway to the west, but the emergency exit to the East!

And the former TWA training center is now occupied by the biggest @ssholes of the US regionals.

con-pilot
24th Aug 2009, 16:58
One airport that I forgot to mention is a former jewel of the 60s. STL!

No kidding. Ever since American took over TWA, that airport has just gone down the tubes, sad really. Not to mention all the millions and millions of dollars that the STL taxpayers spent to build the now unneeded third runway.

Do you remember the '94th Aero Squadron Restaurant' that was on the east end of the airport, right next to the runway? Back when TWA was in business we would go there for happy hour and dinner. Back then on a clear night if you sat out on the patio you could see aircraft lined up as far as you could see coming in for landings on both runways. Last time I was there, the week before the restaurant was closed, if I saw more than four aircraft it was unusual.

American Airlines is a dirty word in St. Louis anymore. I believe that Southwest has the highest number movements now.

(Oh, watching the F-15s from the factory and the National Guard do the standard vertical departure is still fun to watch. Not to mention the Harriers.)

Squawk7777
24th Aug 2009, 17:16
Not to mention all the millions and millions of dollars that the STL taxpayers spent to build the now unneeded third runway.

Not millions and millions but the billion dollar runway. 11/29. Used it a few times. Found out the hard way that it has no windshear detectors installed! After flying in and out of STL for over 4 years I had never received clearance to use 29 for landing. It would have been great to scare the traffic on I-70 :E

I thought that there were plans from the DoD to close the National Guard unit at STL. Did I miss something?

con-pilot
24th Aug 2009, 17:23
Yeah, I stand corrected, it was billions of dollars. I have not heard about the Guard Base closing, you're probably more up to date on that than I am.

Where are they going to put them, 'Mid America' airport? Nothing else going on over there. Now talk about a waste of money.

con-pilot
24th Aug 2009, 17:33
Dang Con, I have somewhere around 300 landings there, not even half of your total.

I didn't have gray hair till I started flying in there. Pretty sure I can blaim the twitch on ASE as well. You sir are correct, night landings there scare the bejesus out of me.

I agree on the gray hair, me as well. :p

I flew for this owner off and on for around 16/17 years. He lived in Aspen, but his company headquarters were in Oklahoma City. So between picking him up and taking him back on trips, coupled with taking company officers to Aspen for meetings we averaged about one operation a week every year. During peak seasons and off seasons.

Needless to say, I spent a lot of RONs in Aspen. One quick story.

One day I was standing on the front steps of the hotel we always stayed in. I was dressed in the standard corporate outfit slacks, white shirt, tie and blazer waiting to the other pilot to come out. One of the local people that I had become friends with walked by and said, "Oh, this is were you work." :p

West Coast
24th Aug 2009, 17:45
I've never flown in to nearby Eagle airport. A friend was regaling me with horror stories of getting in there and how it equaled or exceeded ASE. He talked about the nearby terrain and how hard it was due to turbulence to maintain airspeed descending on the glideslope.

I stopped him at that point.

Glideslopes are for sissies (and me if ASE had one)

Squawk7777
24th Aug 2009, 18:04
Where are they going to put them, 'Mid America' airport? Nothing else going on over there. Now talk about a waste of money.

Mid-America airport is best Southwest Airlines could ever hope for. When STL airport wanted to renegotiate the airport lease with SWA (huge increase of course), they pulled a good one! SWA let STL airport authority wait until the last day of the deadline. Then SWA told STL: Nah, we're not interested, we'll move to Mid America, we'll get all the gates for free and we'll pay for the extension of the light rail! STL had no choice, and SWA pays less now and reduced their gates. The biggest enemy of STL is the airport authority IMHO!

So Con Pilot did the US Marshals transform you into a chain smoker? I gotta check my old slides, I have pix of your favorite 727 somewhere.

Glideslopes are for sissies

WC does SAN finally have one? I remember the approach being really challanging. It was the end of a 4.5 hour flight from SAT, usually at night, with a low marine layer and the longest displaced threshold on this planet it seemed. But I loved that overnight! Great city!

con-pilot
24th Aug 2009, 19:01
So Con Pilot did the US Marshals transform you into a chain smoker? I gotta check my old slides, I have pix of your favorite 727 somewhere.


Chain smoking is nothing, hell, that job almost made me abuse hard core drugs! :p

A little story about the N113 number. I know you have seen the video of the FAA 720 being crashed near Nellis AFB for a fuel additive test. Well it just may intrest you to know that the 'N' number of that 720 was, yeah you guessed it, N113.

So one day we have a pilot meeting. The chief pilots stands up and tells us that he has exciting news, great news. We all think, great, the areshole is finally retiring, nope, that wasn't it. He goes on to announce that he has secured the 'N' number of N113 to put on our long range 727.

A stunned silecnce followed. So I stand up, well somebody had to, and I asked him if I understood him correctly. That we are taking the 'N'' number from an aircraft that ended up spread over miles of sand in the desert and the last two numbers are '13'? We're supposed to be thrilled about this?

He did not appreciate my comments. I got put on the east coast run for the next three months. :(

Michael Birbeck
24th Aug 2009, 19:05
There's a book there somewhere Con-Pilot. Close PPRuNE. Open MS Word and begin.

I wonder where this particular Congolese "airport" is?


mEN_mwn_NaM&feature

Dushan
24th Aug 2009, 19:24
There's a book there somewhere Con-Pilot. Close PPRuNE. Open MS Word and begin.

I wonder where this particular Congolese "airport" is?



We've been trying to get him to do this for a long time.

Congo is a big country, not too many airports.

West Coast
24th Aug 2009, 19:34
WC does SAN finally have one? I remember the approach being really challanging.

Unfortunately it doesn't. At least not to the runway used for far and away the majority of landings, runway 27. Terrain and obstructions preclude a GS. It can be a challenging approach if not simply for the fact that most of us are used to following a GS down to landing, good wx or bad. Automation and evolution of NPA's have helped, as in the constant angle and FMS derived VNAV approaches but it's still challenging.


RWY9 does have a full blown ILS.

All the single pilots I know rave about SAN overnights. Me, I get in my truck and drive 45 minutes home. Ahhh to be single again.

con-pilot
24th Aug 2009, 19:34
Michael, yeah, I've seen that video before. If you pay attention you can see all the wrecked aircraft along side of the runway just after the runway turns.

But I don't think you'll see anybody landing any corporate jets there. :p

West Coast
24th Aug 2009, 19:36
We already have an accomplished author among us God fearing, gun toting, right wing neo-cons, Brick.

Time for Con to join him.

con-pilot
24th Aug 2009, 19:53
I did land the 727 at SAN a few times, you swear that the gear will hit that
parking garage. :p

I've landed a number of different biz jets there as well, Sabre 65, 80, Westwinds, Falcon 50/900 and even the mighty Kingair 200 and never gave it a second thought. But it just looks different in the 72.

I fondly remember the bar/restaurant on top of the old hangar at the FBO in the old days. There was a time when Happy Hours was all night long, made dang sure we always had a taxi handy to take us back to the hotel.

I never had a bad time in San Diego.

(Once in the Marshal days we accidentally lost an over-wing fuel cap on one of the Sabre 80s, it took the maintenance contractor two days to get a new one to us. Shame really. :E)

(Oh, the Sabre was a single point refuel aircraft.)


(Okay, I'll tell the truth about the over-wing fuel cap. It actually came off after takeoff from our last departure point, which was Vandenberg AFB. Because of the anti-siphon inner cap we were not losing much fuel so we continued on to SAN. After we landed we tried to place duct tape over the hole, but that didn't work. We didn't think it would, but our ace, hot shot maintenance people told us to try. So we did, took off, looked at the wing, did a big 360 and landed again.)

Tankertrashnav
25th Aug 2009, 09:12
Moscow Sheremetyevo in 1992 was still operating in Soviet mode. We had a 2 hour delay over lunchtime which had us looking for sustenance - Guess what - the (solitary) cafe was closed for lunch - 1200- 1400! Our Russian hosts seeing us off saw nothing unusual in this, they argued that the cafe staff had to have their lunch! Re-opened at 1420 by sullen and resentful staff after much banging on door. I guess its all a bit different now.

Solid Rust Twotter
25th Aug 2009, 10:06
MB, the road used as a runway is Walikale in DRC. L410 makes it look hairy, but a Twotter eats that stuff up with a spoon.

Michael Birbeck
25th Aug 2009, 11:06
SolidRust

Thanks, I should have guessed it would be you with the gen on the area.

Lekker vlieg.

MB

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barry lloyd
25th Aug 2009, 15:19
Moscow Sheremetyevo in 1992 was still operating in Soviet mode. We had a 2 hour delay over lunchtime which had us looking for sustenance - Guess what - the (solitary) cafe was closed for lunch - 1200- 1400! Our Russian hosts seeing us off saw nothing unusual in this, they argued that the cafe staff had to have their lunch! Re-opened at 1420 by sullen and resentful staff after much banging on door. I guess its all a bit different now.

Not a lot, Ttn, not a lot.:) ...and don't even mention the 10 minute 'technical break' at the information desk - it still happens!

Seldomfitforpurpose
25th Aug 2009, 15:50
Guess some of you guys have not tried Kabul or Kandahar lately :(

Shack37
25th Aug 2009, 16:03
Guess some of you guys have not tried Kabul or Kandahar lately http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/sowee.gif


That should stop the whinging on the airport security threads.:ok:

Forgot the third K, Khormaksar..........may be closed down now of course?

Tankertrashnav
25th Aug 2009, 22:53
Forgot the third K, Khormaksar..........may be closed down now of course?

I had a look on google earth a while back and managed to make out a couple of aircraft but whether they were serviceable is another matter. Certainly all the Hunters, Beverleys, Argosies, Twin Pins and Whirlwinds seem to have gone! Bad memories for me-had a bollocking from a future MRAF there!

Sorry Shack37 -forgot to mention -the Shacks have gone too! ;)

brickhistory
26th Aug 2009, 16:39
Me, I get in my truck and drive 45 minutes home. Ahhh to be single again.


Getting "single again" might put you in the position where the truck is home. Not that I'd know...:{

We already have an accomplished author among us God fearing, gun toting, right wing neo-cons, Brick.

Yeah, but I write about what others have done, not my own deeds.

Amid all these white knuckle approach stories, I can only contribute my awe-inspiring, gorgeous women attracting, mighty C-172 on a clear day tales. Not quite the same.

Time for Con to join him.

Agreed!

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I nominate Panama City, Panama for worst, but it's been a while.

I'm impressed by some of the really Third World airports being described. The obvious question for most of those transiting, would be "why?"

Tankertrashnav
26th Aug 2009, 17:37
I nominate Panama City, Panama


That would be opposed to Panama City, Uzbekistan, then, would it? ;)

con-pilot
26th Aug 2009, 17:41
That would be opposed to Panama City, Uzbekistan, then, would it?

No, that would be opposed to Panama City, Florida. :p

(ICAO code KPFN)

Tankertrashnav
26th Aug 2009, 22:54
Never thought I'd have to admit it to you Con-Pilot but I have to stand corrected on the Panama City matter! :ok:

con-pilot
27th Aug 2009, 00:36
Never thought I'd have to admit it to you Con-Pilot but I have to stand corrected on the Panama City matter!

Now don't feel too bad. Because back in my Marshal Service days I got into a hell of a fight over the phone with some idiot at the Department of Justice when she made the same type mistake. She just couldn't understand why I need a authorization from Justice to the State Department for an extradition flight to Colombia via Panama City, Panama.

In a very snooty tone of voice (you know, 'the I'm so much smarter than you tone') she informed that I didn't need State's permission to go to Panama City, because it was in Florida and she had vacationed there once.

So I told her fine and that I would cancel the trip because I didn't have the range in the aircraft I was flying to go from Panama City, Florida to BogotŠ, Colombia and fly all the way around Cuban airspace. The Department of Justice back then prohibited us from overflying Cuba.

So she replied that if that was my attitude I could just talk to her superior. I did, he handled it and I went, via Howard AFB in Panama City, Panama.

And don't get me started on the comfusion that England AFB in Alexandria, Louisiana caused.

brickhistory
27th Aug 2009, 00:45
I didn't need State's permission to go to Panama City, because it was in Florida and she had vacationed there once.



Also known as the "Redneck Riveria," the city in Florida is indeed why I specified the country of Panama.

A lot of beer was drunk on those Florida beaches too many years ago.

Never went to the airport...

West Coast
27th Aug 2009, 03:41
"Panama City, Uzbekistan"

aka Panama city, Uzbekiflorida, sister city to Uzbekalondon.

Al Fakhem
28th Aug 2009, 07:33
Anything in the Indian subcontinent!

Senseless security "checks" - such as asking for your ticket before you enter the terminal building, when any idiot can turn out a fake ticket on his desktop printer nowadays.

No proper ticketing facilities in-terminal, least for international airlines.

Lousy - if any - transit facilities for international to international connections.

Shops that do not accept their own currency......

Bars that charge you for "a pint" and serve you 330ml.....

Continuously bombard you with "final calls" - often 10 "final calls" for the same flight....

621andy
30th Aug 2009, 12:37
Horsetrailer-You obviously haven't been through the new International airport- RGN is almost like a real airport now:ok:
The domestic is still a shithole though:yuk:

LHR- Haven't been through for a couple of years, but it was certainly a midden then

KLIA- Yes, boring, but quite pleasant really- clean and tidy. If you're there more than a few hours, get the KL Expres to downtown KL- well worth it. Usually our first stop after 4 months in Myanmar:}

'Frankfurt' Hahn:mad:- Bloody miles(or should I say Km) from anywhere, and (exhorbitant) parking somewhere near Frankfurt city:*

FRA- Gets special mention due to it being laid out exactly symmetrically which always means I end up in the wrong end of the departure lounge:ugh:

PFO- Pafos- Far too small and the taxi drivers are all mafia crooks, who go to extreme lengths to ensure no private cars get anywhere near the terminal:mad: NEVER leave your car unattended there unless you're planning to buy new tyres very soon...

Yamagata ken
30th Aug 2009, 18:05
Guam

In transit Sendai-Guam-Denpasar and vice versa, everyone has to be processed through US immigration. Coming from Japan holding a UK passport is a major SNAFU.

Inbound passengers have to cross through the line of outbound, no security breach possible there :rolleyes:

Brainless morons "operating" a computer system designed to deal with Japanese and US passports only.

Cigarette lighter acceptable at Sendai a security threat to the US of A, the world's most powerful nation. :*

con-pilot
30th Aug 2009, 19:27
Guam


Yes, US Customs in Guam is strange to say the least. Once I landed there coming from Midway Island and had to clear customs, US aircraft/US citizens. I asked why we had to clear customs as we had departed US Territory and in fact had not landed in a foreign county on this trip to this point.

The customs agent replied that Midway Island was not US territory. I said that they sure fooled me, as there is an American Flag flying over the hangar and the island is run by the US Department of Agriculture.

So I asked him if Midway is not US Territory, just what is it? He didn't have a clue. So, no more technical stops in Guam for me.

Dushan
30th Aug 2009, 22:47
So I asked him if Midway is not US Territory, just what is it? He didn't have a clue. So, no more technical stops in Guam for me.

An I am sure he is now losing sleep over the fact that you are boycotting him.

con-pilot
30th Aug 2009, 23:03
An I am sure he is now losing sleep over the fact that you are boycotting him.

Well, now the loss of sleep issue just may have played a part in this story. As I landed at 02:00 (lcl) that morning in the middle of a typhoon, which was well past their normal operating hours :p






(Okay, not really in the middle of the typhoon, just the trailing outer edge was hitting Guam when I landed, it was still raining very hard and the wind was gusting over 45kts, right down the runway thank God. We flew over the tops of the storm from Guam to Hong Kong at 45.0 the next day.)

SyllogismCheck
30th Aug 2009, 23:14
Lydden Hill. Apparently it's closed.