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overstress
8th Apr 2009, 10:41
Why don't we call this section "Crashes, incidents and pilot prosecutions", it would suit the subject matter better than "Rumours & News"

We'd probably get even more hits from journalists without sources....















Off to Jet Blast very soon... :)

Avman
8th Apr 2009, 10:52
Not that silly. I was thinking roughly along the same lines only yesterday. I think that there is a case for a specific forum for Accidents & Incidents.

llondel
8th Apr 2009, 11:02
I'd go along with that. Accidents and incidents are a form of news, but would probably benefit from being separated from rumours.

anotherthing
8th Apr 2009, 11:10
I know it would probably be a headache for the Mods but

As well as the above suggestion, if such a specific forum was started would it be possible to restrict it to aviation professionals only - so that the media didn't come sniffing for supposed 'facts' when people are speculating (which they invariably do).

Some sort of verification system similar to the criteria laid down for the private forums might do the job - even to the extent of automatic entry if you are registered to another private forum on this site??

One9iner
8th Apr 2009, 11:34
This has been debated to death.

ZFT
8th Apr 2009, 11:36
Verification could be too complex. Why not just moderate 'Crashes, Incidents and Pilot Prosecutions' very, very strictly with a requirement to state your relevant experience to justify your comments within your (1st) post on a thread?

Any of the usual MS sim posters would be banned for any stupidity or failure to comply with specific forum rules.

Pinkman
8th Apr 2009, 11:38
Nice thought, but unfortunately it takes more to make, operate, and maintain an aircraft than an "aviation professional".

Even if you do have a restricted site, what criteria would you use to screen the fuellers/fuel quality specialists, runway engineers, loadmasters, maintenance engineers? Lets not forget the professional tug drivers :}.

ZFT
8th Apr 2009, 11:44
I agree. You screen the post, not the poster.

Adding a minimum number of posts would also prevent multiple 'personalities'

Blacksheep
8th Apr 2009, 12:02
...maintenance engineers...Sometimes the maintenance engineers are the only ones with anything sensible to contribute. :suspect:

deltayankee
8th Apr 2009, 12:34
Adding a minimum number of posts


Sounds reasonable, but not so easy to implement in practice since anyone could do post building in JB until they qualify.

After endless debate on the subject I think that the consensus seems to be that the answer is just stiff but traditional moderation -- exactly what you have now.

frostbite
8th Apr 2009, 12:42
anyone could do post building in JB until they qualify.


Not so, Posts in JB do not register on the counter.

Worrals in the wilds
8th Apr 2009, 12:47
...prevent multiple 'personalities'


I'm a lurking member of a technical diving forum (Decostop) with the following rule in its TOS:

b) All membership information must be accurate and belong to the person registering. All persons are limited to having one user account. Invalid, incomplete, or falsified information can result in the immediate termination of all membership privileges for that user and, possibly a permanent ban, restricting the member from using any of The Deco Stopís services at any time.

They don't catch everyone immediately (still a few multiples with rather more experience with computers than cave diving :suspect:) but they get rid of them quick smart if they start making nuisances of themselves using the above rule. As on here, it's usually fairly easy to pick the fantasists and wannabes.

Why doesn't Pprune do this? Is it because it's a much bigger forum? Or do all the multiples use proxies?

prbehling
8th Apr 2009, 12:55
I think that would be a good idea.

Pete

overstress
8th Apr 2009, 15:31
pinkman: I think you'll find I suggested changing the title of the forum. I never mentioned restricting access to it.... :hmm:

Storminnorm
8th Apr 2009, 15:37
Who the hell let you lot in here?
Stupid idea I reckon.

lomapaseo
8th Apr 2009, 15:47
This has been debated to death

apparently not, it's still breathing

RJM
8th Apr 2009, 15:47
Why not a forum called, say, 'Straight and Level' for completely ordinary flights with no untoward incidents?

It would it make fascinating reading.

Postings could include detailed reporting of unexceptional weather conditions, transcripts of predictable radio traffic, engine and other settings etc, together with descriptions of safe landings, uneventful taxiing, normal fuel consumption and so on.

What a window it would be into the exciting world of aviation!

GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU
8th Apr 2009, 16:20
Didn't a chap called Roger Bacon already claim that title in an aviation journal?

Blues&twos
8th Apr 2009, 19:54
RJM, best idea on the thread! Like it.

rubik101
9th Apr 2009, 06:49
I know this is a might seem a pointless post but I was just wondering why the mods closed the thread on the dispute between BA and their flight crew.
It was headed BASSA confronts Willie Walsh.
One of the points in the article was as follows.

BA has also proposed that new employees should have different terms and conditions with almost none of the benefits enjoyed by present cabin crew. Under these proposals, more than 2,000 crew could be taken on in the next two years, possibly employed by a separate entity modelled on low-cost carriers such as Ryanair.

The airline is in discussions with all 45,000 employees about pay and conditions in an attempt to reduce its overheads. BA has predicted that it will slump to a £150 million operating loss this year after a £900 million profit last year. The airline is struggling with falling demand from passengers and higher costs due to exchange rates.

After an hour or so it was moved from R&N to cabin creww and about three hourslater it was locked.

If the transition of BA to Ryanair Mk II is not worthy of R&N then I don't know what is.

Do you have to crash to make R&N these days?

How do you ask a MOD why they do what they do?

Are you allowed to ask a MOD a question?

corsair
9th Apr 2009, 08:32
Yes indeed, Jetblast is misnamed. Given that it's dumping ground for stuff that doesn't belong in other forums. How about the 'Scrap Yard' or the 'Asylum'.

hellsbrink
9th Apr 2009, 08:36
Rubik

Surely that topic would belong in the Cabin Crew forum and not the Flight Deck section.......

AMEX
9th Apr 2009, 09:26
Professional Pilots Rumour Network and News...

Keep the P for professional as many posters seem to be true pros when it comes to sheeeeet ') stirring, misinformation, useless contributions, trolling, etc...

Skip the P for Pilots... Not many left on the site.



Rumours... Well I would keep that too. Since we have established that little on this forum has to do with pilots (or aviation pros) then rumours are all is left (feel free to talk about any baseless crap you like but are totally ignorant about).

Network and News... Yep, I'd keep that too. Better than news of the world, the sun, the enquirer, here you will find anything to do with crashes, pilots private lives (who wished it was anyway), lunacies on why such and such plane came down or such person did what it did based on.... Oh hang on, based on nothing of course.


So PPRUNE is dead, I say long live PRUNE the newly born online Airplane crash website. Please refrain to post anything such as airline news (other than terror stories) as your post will be deemed inappropriate and will be moved to the "real aviation pros section".

I am not advocating a pilot only website or whatever but I am amazed to see that only crashes/accidents stay on the top page and anything relevant to us all, aviation professionals, gets moved to spotters corners.

Blues&twos
10th Apr 2009, 22:47
Just a thought, do you reckon that spotters have their own website? Maybe they get really p1ssed off when professional pilots start making unqualified comments about MS Flight Simulator scenarios?