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7th Apr 2009, 12:44
He has four wives and faced 783 corruption charges: PETER HITCHENS on South Africa's next president | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1165473/He-wives-faced-783-counts-corruption-PETER-HITCHENS-South-Africas-president.html)

God help me. Any young ladies out there with a nice maroon or blue passport looking for marriage?? I can cook and clean and wont make too many noises after a few beers. Can fly planes.


7th Apr 2009, 12:51
Ahhh....there's the flush handle.....

Get out while you can.

Continent following in a swirl.

Solid Rust Twotter
7th Apr 2009, 13:30
Afraid so. Problem is most of us have nowhere to go.

7th Apr 2009, 14:49
Relax; parity with Zim is years away. The Western chattering classes were always enthusistic about Africans governing Africa and must be pleased about being on glide slope and centreline. Brother Jacob looks eminently qualified.


Solid Rust Twotter
7th Apr 2009, 14:53
Mugabe had the 5th Brigade going after his tribal rivals in Matabeleland inside the first couple of years of his rule. The witch hunt to get rid of those who opposed Zuma won't be long in coming.

7th Apr 2009, 19:59
This news combined with what you posted in the gun thread Mr Twott Ruster, makes me hope you are considering fleeing.
See if someone will adopt you in Darwhine. Mitchell street is not that bad really.

Solid Rust Twotter
7th Apr 2009, 20:39
Most places not keen on old dribblers such as myself, Mr Tin. Don't hold anything but SA passport so pretty much stuck here. Just have to vasbyt and make it work I guess. We can only hope the lessons of Zim were noted but I'm not holding my breath....

07 Apr 2009
Showing their true colours
Mail & Guardian, Jhb

Songezo Zibi works for a mining and resources company. He writes in his personal capacity

When a small-time Eastern Cape politician with aspirations for election to the local city council was arrested and charged with rape, his community showed him exactly how it felt about the situation. It overwhelmingly elected him in the recent municipal by-elections.

In the same week a friend related how another politician, who completed a stint in prison a few years ago for fraud, was mobbed by supporters at Cape Town airport. It was not just the few who perhaps knew him personally, but throngs of ordinary people. That politician is now contesting the election too, and I have no doubt that he will make it to Parliament, just like the other convicted criminals at the top of various political parties' lists submitted to the Independent Electoral Commission.

Given the cult hero status some of our criminally convicted politicians enjoy, it is safe to conclude that most of us, at least, think there is nothing wrong with putting criminals and other questionable people in positions of power.

How does this happen?

First, it is clear that, while most of us knew that we did not want apartheid, we never understood the meaning of the democracy that replaced it. We failed to grasp the deep implications of our vote and the responsibilities of citizenship in a democracy.

Unlike countries with democracies that have been tested by difficult events over time, ours is very young and has not reached the point where we ask why things went so wrong. That explains why, when the institutions meant to safeguard our democracy and the wellbeing of its people performing their intended functions, they are ignored, altered or removed completely, and most citizens do not make the connection between these actions and their vote at election time.

We have such a poor grasp of the power of the vote that we continually leave it to the judiciary and the fourth estate to hold our political leaders accountable. Our ignorance creates such a huge gap between these institutions and ourselves that we unwittingly isolate them, giving politicians the space to tamper with and intimidate them to the point of ineffectiveness. In such an environment it is easy for the unfit to rise to prominence, because the very norms and systems meant to weed them out have been rendered ineffective.

Second, we have lost touch with our own traditional values and history, where wisdom and moral standing were the hallmarks of leadership. These have always been essential because, for the most part, leaders are supposed to represent what is good about any society and sometimes make the difficult choices that set their communities on the right path, often at a cost to themselves. We have deluded ourselves into believing that anyone who promises to help the poor is inherently fit to represent us. The barometer we have, at the very least, is the history of those who make this claim, and the benefit of the doubt should always go to those who have never compromised themselves. Because we no longer know our own values, however, we almost always do the opposite. That is why we have a man accused of rape being elected to a city council and convicted fraudsters being so popular they present an unpleasant dilemma for their political parties.

This combination of ignorance about the meaning of democracy and its institutions, and the erosion of the values that keep our traditional institutions and social order intact, is lethal for the long-term survival of our democracy. It is only when the unworthy individuals we undeservedly award the mantle of leadership have failed us to the point of destruction that we will start asking questions about where our country went so wrong. Sadly, by that time, the damage will have been done, a lot of lives altered and the destiny of our country irrevocably changed.

We cannot expect progress and global respect when those we choose to lead us are unburdened by integrity and respect neither us nor the institutions they aspire to lead. As they say, rubbish in -- rubbish out. When we finally have had enough of that rubbish, at whatever the cost will be, I hope we will have the humility to link the dots of responsibility all the way past the politicians to the ballot papers we used to vote them into power. It will be our fault, not theirs.

Political leaders are only as good as the aspirations of the voters who elect them. If we are not a corrupt, dishonest society that aspires to inhabit the gutter, then will somebody please tell me why we continue to choose the corrupt and the dishonest to lead us?

Understanding South African law via the NPA

Mike Trapido is a specialist criminal attorney, journalist and political commentator. He was sports editor at Supersport under producer David Blood.
He is currently writing his first book on South African Rugby for the South African Rugby Legends Association.

With all the pro-and-anti NPA articles doing the rounds I thought it best to give you lot some understanding of how the law works in South Africa and what is considered so trivial that we need hardly bother following up on it. So gather round the heath (hearth? — that thing that blows smoke as long as you keep fuelling it) light up your favourite Colombian poison (if you can’t get any just get hold of the NPA or SAA, they know the top guys — the mules are the ones they arrest to bolster the stats so that they can pretend to be doing something — and always have tons lying around) and let’s try figure out what is or isn’t a crime.

Murder? — Well if you blow away say Kebble or anyone else that those in charge of “National Insecurity” don’t particularly fancy you’ll be given a Section 204 indemnity from prosecution. NB if you are some poor moron from a township or backstreets of a city then it’s a crime. So it’s a crime if you’re poor. Therefore before killing anyone check your bank balance.

Theft? — If a judge from the Eastern Cape says that members of local government and their family stole billions and nobody gives a flying toss what does that suggest to you? If billions disappear on arms deals, Oilgate, Travelgate, Zimbabwe and everything else and nobody even blinks what does that say to you? It says that if you are Dave working at Checkers and you steal a tin of pilchards to feed your family then YOU are a threat to National Security but if you steal this country blind then you are worth being carried aloft to prison, medical parole and anything you get charged with will be dropped. Like murder therefore theft is not a problem being poor is the real crime so don’t let our courageous NPA catch you without means. Do you think Hofmeyr’s got all day to waste on poor scum like you?

Corruption? — Ha ha ha ha ha … no but seriously folks.

Rape — Yes, but only if you can get the only people who actually deal with rapists effectively in South Africa. I know the taxi drivers hands are full right now but as soon as they are freed up feel free to approach them. The police? Ha ha ha ha … no but seriously folks.

Contempt of court? — Hlophe, Heath, Motata … let’s put it this way if you actually believe that South Africa has courts of law or equity then you have a complete defence. Just make sure that you are examined by 3 psychiatrists. Phone Schabir I’m sure those guys will say anything and become psychiatrists if you want them to but remember — poverty is a crime! Don’t come crying to me if you can’t pay for “top” advice.

Prostitution? — Well let’s see you screw an entire country and give the money to the pimps while the rest starve all the while being told how much these elitist fat slobs care about you then, nope, unless they change the law prostitution is not a crime.

Armed Robbery? — Impossible there isn’t anything left to steal. Do you have any money? No? Well there you go then you will do 15 years for Armed Poverty.

**If any of the NPA, judges or other pillars of our society want to write in and tell me I’m making light of crime then may I just point out that the joke that used to be our criminal justice system and judiciary can’t be trivialised. It’s just too pathetic to be considered of sufficient substance to be trivialised. Maybe if you use some of the wealth we used to have you can visit Somalia and Zimbabwe and learn how to upgrade our pathetic system. Right now the Taliban and their zero tolerance on crime is highly appealing to me. At least their Mullahs don’t get carried shoulder high to prison, made a national hero after conviction for corruption and get the brains (in whom we can never) trust to try and sell the garbage the people of this country are asked to buy.

**NB Evidence of a crime or basis for prosecuting crime — Huh?

**Transparency and disclosure — Huh?

NPA, Judiciary and Police force shall mean those instruments of government, ruling party or wealthy paid for by the moro … citizens and employed or utilised solely for the benefit of the government, ruling party or wealthy.

What about the taxpayers? — Huh?

Crime Statistics? — Huh?

Kidnapping? — Not yet, we have a commission in Somalia learning how to do this and piracy.

HOW DO WE SOLVE CRIME? — Same as always convene commissions who charge a fortune resolve nothing and get outraged if they are expected to actually do any work. Most importantly ignore their findings — if any — and do what suits the wealthy and political expedient.

Just to end with an apology — I really am sorry that we have the lamest most pathetic excuse for a criminal justice system on the planet right now.

See I can be so so so sorry … maybe I’m getting in touch with my feminine side … becoming an Mpshe.

7th Apr 2009, 20:45
I take it Mr Trapido and the editor of the Mail & Guardian, Jhb live abroad? :uhoh:

Solid Rust Twotter
7th Apr 2009, 20:52
Not yet....

Must say Darwhine would be my choice of places to settle should I ever find myself on the right side of an Oz residence permit.:ok:

7th Apr 2009, 20:58
Pick yer house off the plan
Start price $1.mill :hmm:

$1billion marina plan for East Point - Northern Territory News (http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2009/04/01/42411_ntnews.html)

Solid Rust Twotter
7th Apr 2009, 21:02
Enough to make your eyes bleed...:eek:

8th Apr 2009, 19:24
ANC leader Jacob Zuma has blasted the constitutional court and criticised the conduct of other judges in the country's courts.

In an exclusive interview with Independent Newspapers on Wednesday in Durban, Zuma said his presidency would seek to make changes to the constitutional court. He made shocking remarks about the constitutional court judges.

From here (http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?from=rss_South%20Africa&set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=iol1239211589544B625)

Edit: Perhaps we can call this the South African Politics Hamsterwheel....

Elections coming up in 2 weeks, should be active....

Solid Rust Twotter
9th Apr 2009, 15:32
Another step out over the abyss...

09 April 2009
Cops probe threat to Zille
Esther Lewis; Bronwynne Jooste (Cape Argus)

DA Leader and Cape Town mayor Helen Zille has received three bomb threats in the past two months, and now the Umkhonto we Sizwe Military Veterans' Association has warned her to back off ANC president Jacob Zuma or "face the consequences".

Zille responded that she was not afraid of political threats. She had "a job to do to call the ruling party to account and expose corruption", and she would continue to do so.

Zille's spokesman, Robert MacDonald, confirmed that the civic centre had been evacuated three times in the past two months after bomb threats to the mayor's office. The most recent incident was six weeks ago.

Cape Town Central police spokesman Superintendent Randall Stoffels said they were investigating the threats. No arrests had been made yet.

Then came the threat from the MK veterans yesterday. This was after Zille filed an urgent application in the Pretoria High Court on Monday for a review of the decision of National Prosecuting Authority (NPA) to drop charges against Zuma.

Labelling her behaviour disrespectful, they warned her to abandon her pursuit of Zuma. "Attempting to drag our president back to court is nothing less than a declaration of war." They added that they were "prepared to take up arms… in defence of our democracy and our president".

Zille said she received threats "now and again" related to a range of issues.

"Now it is the matter of us taking a stand against the NPA's farcical ruling. But we have a job to do to call the ruling party to account and to expose corruption, and we will continue doing our job," she said.

MacDonald, commenting on whether security at the civic centre would be tightened, said: "There is already a good standard of security at the mayor's office. We are letting the police continue with their investigation."

Zille said the MK veterans' statement could be regarded as a personal threat, and she would pass it on to her lawyers.

Desmond Stevens, spokesman for the MK veterans, said that if Zille did not stop, one of their options would be to take to the streets. Members were also urged to stop Zille at the polls on election day.

Questioned on the reference to taking up arms, Stevens denied that the language in the statement suggested a violent response.

But Zille said: "If the MK veterans say it is not violent to threaten to take up arms, they use words in the same way as (ANC Youth League president) Julius Malema does. He said he would take up arms and kill for Jacob Zuma, and this is effectively what the MK veterans are saying as well.

"We are a democracy and threatening to take up arms is illegal and unconstitutional, and constitutes intimidation."

Stevens accused Zille of harbouring an "irrational hatred" for Zuma, but Zille said it had nothing to do with her or the ANC president personally. "This has to do with defending the principle of equality before the law, and the independence of state institutions."

If the matter was not pursued, South Africa, under the ANC, would "descend from corruption to a criminal state", with the poor majority getting poorer, as had happened in Zimbabwe.

9th Apr 2009, 23:22
Sh*t, SRT if you're happy to go to Darwin, then things are bad...

Chin up mate :sad:

Solid Rust Twotter
10th Apr 2009, 06:38
Reminds me of home....:}

Actually it's a more real place than other Oz cities (not that I've been to many). Their eccentrics are genuinely strange rather than a bunch of arty posers. They'll wander around looking like they just got up because they just have rather than trying for "The Look" in front of a mirror for an hour every morning.

Back to JZ and his shenanigans....


Solid Rust Twotter
10th Apr 2009, 19:31
The ANC has been getting rid of those they regard as not being on their side and replacing them with cronies (incompetent and corrupt) in all state organs in order to keep a firm hold on power. Even that is not enough for the lunatic in charge.:(

Another step closer to a Zim scenario. Where are those who campaigned for justice in the past? Is there no longer a need for it?

South Africa: Zuma Questions Constitution
John Allen
9 April 2009

Cape Town — Two weeks before national elections in which the ruling African National Congress is being challenged for the first time by an opposition party formed from within its ranks, the party's leader, Jacob Zuma, has questioned the basis of South Africa's constitutional order.

In an interview with one of the country's leading political journalists, Zuma hinted that he believed judges ought to be brought under the authority of other branches of government. South Africa's Constitution – hailed as one of the world's best when it was adopted in 1996 – makes its Constitutional Court the final arbiter of the rights of South Africans.

According to Moshoeshoe Monare, political editor of South Africa's Independent newspaper group, Zuma said in the interview on Wednesday: "If I sit here and I look at a chief justice of the Constitutional Court [South Africa's top judicial officer], you know, that is the ultimate authority, which I think we need to look at it because I don't think we should have people who are almost like God in a democracy... Why are they not human beings?"

He added: "Because... you can have a judge of whatever level making a judgment (and) other judges turning it and saying it was wrong. (This) just tells you they are not necessarily close to God. And therefore we have to look at it in a democratic setting; how do you avoid that?"

Zuma is on course to become South Africa's next president after elections on April 22. In recent months he and his supporters have attacked judges – including those of the Constitutional Court – who have ruled against him in his ongoing struggle to beat corruption charges.

The Constitution guarantees the independence of the judiciary from the executive. Zuma will have the power to choose the country's next chief justice and deputy chief justice but when he appoints replacements for the nine other judges of the Constitutional Court, he has to choose from a list compiled by a broadly-based Judicial Service Commission. (In the case of the top two appointments he has only to consult the commission and leaders of political parties in Parliament.)

Amending the constitution would require a two-thirds majority in Parliament. The ANC had such a majority in the last Parliament but opposition parties hope to end it in the forthcoming election. Opinion polls indicate that although no opposition party can hope to replace the ANC in government, the ruling party will be returned with a reduced majority.

The principal party hoping to draw votes from the ANC's support base, the Congress of the People (COPE), is led by ANC members who broke away after the firing of the former president, Thabo Mbeki, last September.

A leading founder of COPE, former defence minister and ANC chairman Mosiuoa "Terror" Lekota, cited Zuma's efforts to escape prosecution as one of the reasons for leaving the ANC. After charges against Zuma were dropped by prosecutors last Monday, Lekota called for them to be reinstated.


Solid Rust Twotter
19th Apr 2009, 13:17
We's fecked...:(

Cape Times (http://www.capetimes.co.za/?fSectionId=272&fArticleId=vn20090416051829977C552308)

Malema threatens university
16 April 2009, 08:13
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When Jacob Zuma comes to power, lecturers and managers will be replaced at the University of Cape Town because it remains a hotbed of counter-revolutionaries, says ANC Youth League president Julius Malema.

"Forces that are opposed to our revolution are still here. We must change the management of this university and also the lecturers.

"This is our university, we must change the look of this university, (it) should reflect South Africa," said Malema at Jameson Hall as the ANCYL took its election campaign to South Africa's oldest university on Wednesday.

Chris Ryall, president of UCT's Student Representative Council which was last year taken over by the DA from the ANC, hit back at Malema: "I don't understand how he can applaud those in Orania, essentially a racist enclave, for letting him sit down with them for tea, and then attack UCT."

At the start of Malema's visit to UCT, chaos broke out at the Beattie Building lecture hall, where he had been scheduled to speak, when a large group was turned away at the doors by campus security due to overcrowding at the venue.

He later move to a packed Jameson Hall as ANCYL supporters, bused to the venue, sang songs praising him and Zuma.

As some of the students booed him for his attack on UCT, Malema responded by warning that he would not tolerate being provoked.

"Don't provoke us, it is us (ANC) who brought the nonsensical apartheid regime down. No opposition (party) will ever defeat the ANC.

"We want them all to combine so that we can defeat them," said Malema to cheers from his supporters.

He said Jacob Zuma's ascendancy to the presidency was guaranteed and those who were still opposed to him had to snap back into reality.

"For those of you saying Zuma should not be president, (you) are daydreaming... He will be the best ever first president of the Republic."

Malema added those opposed to the ANC leader would have to get used to addressing him as "President Zuma" after his inauguration in May.

Malema promised that a government under Zuma would invest more money in education through bursaries and increased funding to educational institutions.

Attacking the Democratic Alliance's plan to institute a private prosecution of Zuma following the National Prosecuting Authority's (NPA) announcement that it would not pursue its case of corruption, theft, money laundering and racketeering against him, Malema said any such attempts would be futile.

"Champions of the constitution should support the decision of the NPA.

"This is not the first time that it has decided to drop charges. It happens every day," said Malema.

In flippant mode, Malema said the ANC was tired of a two-thirds majority and would aim for a "three thirds" majority, adding that those opposed to the ANC were suffering from "serious illnesses" and were in for a shock when election results would be announced on the day after the national poll.

"They'll be like diabetes sufferers on the 23rd (of April), their blood sugar levels will shoot high," he said jokingly as some in the audience laughed.

Conceding that the ANCYL often made inflammatory statements, he said his league members formed a strong body of opinion, a "political laboratory" of sorts.

"We are in a political laboratory, never blame us if we make mistakes, we are (just) learning," said Malema.

Asked to respond, UCT spokesperson Ray Hartle said it supported transformation in higher education.

"We've put in place programmes to reflect our commitment to transformation across the institution," said Hartle.

* This article was originally published on page 1 of The Cape Times on April 16, 2009

unstable load
21st Apr 2009, 11:37
Questionably acquitted of rape, publicly advocates taking a shower to ward off HIV, over 500 corruption charges made to evaporate and sings songs about his AK47.

Man, what a role model for the Youth of SA!


Iain Wilson
21st Apr 2009, 12:07
God bless all my South African pals. Have enjoyed much rugger and not a few "Castles" despite being a Rooinek. Some of the kindest and most hospitable people i have ever met.
Truly, T.I.A.
(This Is Africa )

Metro man
21st Apr 2009, 14:54
Realistically, how long did you think it would take before South Africa got its own Idi Amin/Emperor Bokassa/Mobutu/Mugabe/General Mengistu.

If you haven't already done so it's time to start looking for a foreign passport and bolt hole. Get some money out in a hard currency. Look at converting your qualifications and or business opportunities abroad. Develop your escape plan.

I had all the above and didn't end up stuck in Zimbabwe as things fell off a cliff. Instead I watched it in comfort from the other side of the world.

What is the difference between an emigrant and a refugee ? TIMING

Solid Rust Twotter
22nd Apr 2009, 13:36
A little tricky when you're batting a half century, Mr Metro....:(

ANC 'told people who to vote for'
22/04/2009 14:00

East London - Election officers and ANC volunteers squabbled outside a voting station in Scenery Parks outside East London on Wednesday.

They clashed at Zwelemfundo Primary School after the volunteers had been seen telling people who to vote for. The volunteers had set up a table outside the polling station, where they had a copy of the voter's roll and a specimen ballot paper.

Some volunteers were telling people, particularly the elderly and illiterate, to vote for the African National Congress.

An ANC volunteer was seen showing one elderly woman where to make her cross. She had gone to enquire about the voting procedure at the ANC table when she was told: "Don't worry mama, vote for the party you have always been voting for. Just write an X next to this face.

"If you have forgotten the face, just tell the IEC officials inside there that you want to vote for the party whose logo has a wheel and spear," said the volunteer, pointing at ANC president Jacob Zuma's face on the specimen ballot paper.

When questioned by the IEC's area manager and the station's presiding officer in the presence of the police, the volunteers denied telling people to vote for the ANC.

Heated argument

They told the officials and the media to bring them the people they had told who to vote for. The officials could not do so since they had already left.

A heated argument ensued as the ANC volunteers, who were joined by Cosatu members, demanded that the IEC officials go back into the voting station, saying they had no authority outside the station's premises.

"You are disturbing us here. You should be worrying about what is happening in there and stop harassing us," said a SA Democratic Teachers' Union regional leader.

The volunteers said they got the specimen ballot paper and had been "instructed" to work there by their superiors, who they refused to name.

The IEC's area manager, Mathemba Fakidolo, told them that it was the officials' duty to investigate all complaints and ensure that voters were not intimidated, even outside the polling station.

"It is wrong for political parties to tell people who to vote for," said Fakidolo.

He phoned the IEC's regional office, which promised to visit the station and investigate the matter soon. No other similar incidents were reported to the IEC in the area.


Zero chance of anything being done about it. Friends tell me it's not an isolated case either. The most surprising thing would be if they were followed up and nailed for this but I'm not going to be holding my breath.

Whiskey Oscar Golf
22nd Apr 2009, 14:38
My condolences Yarpie cousins. A mate sent me an email recently on the death of joh'burg. Was very sad seeing Berea, Hillbrow and even the lovely Joubert Park in a state of utter disrepair, she couldn't get out of her car for fear of being shot. I have fond memories of the place back in the early 90's. It's tragic to see something go from nice to bad, can't imagine what it's like if it's your home. Must be pretty heartbreaking.

I remember an SAA pilot saying I came from the 8th province when he found out I was from Perth so you're welcome here. Plenty of your countrymen, we do good boerwors and while it is a BBQ rather than Braai you'll fit in fine.

22nd Apr 2009, 14:49
Seems to me that SA is going down the same road as Zim.

Just taking a bit longer, that's all.

22nd Apr 2009, 14:58

We have several Seth Efrican refugees in Mackay who are members of our Aero Club, and good blokes they all are. If you would like their details PM me and I'll send you their addresses, you can take it from there.

23rd Apr 2009, 01:08
Zumababwe? :uhoh:

Solid Rust Twotter
23rd Apr 2009, 09:17
Thanks Binos. Had an old school mate living there but she's now in Tassie. Not sure Oz needs more pilots with the current economic setbacks. One has made enquiries re a slot with Surveillance Australia but it appears they want rated folks.

Just a peek into daily life here....

News24.com: South Africa: Breaking News: South Africa, Aids Focus, Politics, News, Holiday Report (http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Home/0,,2-7,00.html)

Meanwhile, as SA spirals around the drain, the silence is deafening from those who agitated to put these lunatics into power in the first place. Shades of Zimbabwe....:(

Metro man
23rd Apr 2009, 11:32
Twotter, if it was up to me I'd give you a residence permit for Australia tomorrow. You seem like you'd fit in perfectly. Unfortunately the government seem to prefer Somalis and Sudanese who burden the country and don't assimilate.

Swap you Kevin Rudd for Jacob Zuma ?:E

Solid Rust Twotter
23rd Apr 2009, 12:44
Only if the exchange can be done in A4 size envelopes. Sliced thinly it shouldn't take more than a gross of envelopes each to get it done.....:E

23rd Apr 2009, 14:37
Swap you Kevin Rudd for Jacob Zuma ?

So much for detente; what a ludicrous statement. Think before you expose yourself as a fool, Metro Man. Try to imagine your reaction if that scenario were actually to occur. And if you attempt to claim it wouldn't bother you because you don't live here, then you have no right to make such a stupid statement in the first place.

Solid Rust Twotter
24th Apr 2009, 06:41
Might get into a bit of boxing speaking Japie in Oz these days Metro Man. The rugger and cricket must be a bit of a sore point right now.....:E

The ANC is now bleating because the votes from abroad didn't run in their favour so those outside the country are now being accused of being right wing reactionaries. Jessie Duarte has just left govt for a very profitable job as director in a major bank. Time to move my account elsewhere.

ANC slams 'right-wing' expats: Elections: News: News24 (http://www.news24.com/News24/Elections/News/0,,2-2478-2479_2506399,00.html)

Jobs, crime keep expats away: Elections: Opinion & Analysis: News24 (http://www.news24.com/News24/Elections/Opinion_And_Analysis/0,,2-2478-2481_2503998,00.html)

Overseas votes: DA gets majority: Elections: News: News24 (http://www.news24.com/News24/Elections/News/0,,2-2478-2479_2506148,00.html)

Interesting that voting slips were lost from among those who seem to not be pro ANC.

Also looks like they got (legally or otherwise) the 2/3 majority required to change the constitution. We's fecked. No doubt in years to come when SA has become another Zimbabwe, the tears will flow from those who helped bring it about and intervention from the West will be demanded.:ugh:

Metro man
24th Apr 2009, 06:50
Calm down Binos, one was simply having the piss. Not that Kevin Rudd is much better, managing to plunge the government into defecit after destroying the surplus built up by the coalition.

I see that Labour in the UK have introduced a 50% top tax rate, I'm sure Labor in Australia won't want to be out done and will soon raise taxes accordingly. Bear in mind that the top UK rate cuts in above 150 000 POUNDS while Australias cuts in above 150 000 DOLLARS.

Still, at least your retirement benefits will remain secure.

The other day I was being asked by another Aussie pilot about permanent residence over here. He's realised how much better off he is without the ATO and wants to stick around.;)

Solid Rust Twotter
19th May 2009, 12:09
ANCYL [email protected] still at it. Closer to a Zim scenario than we think with bozos like this influencing the youth.:(

WHAT DID ANC YOUTH LEAGUE MEAN BY HELEN ZILLE SLEEPING AROUND? | 2oceansvibe.com - Work is a sideline, live the holiday. Cape Town Lifestyle. (http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2009/05/18/what-did-anc-youth-league-mean-by-helen-zille-sleeping-around/)

Solid Rust Twotter
26th May 2009, 17:24
At least Hayibo still has a sense of humour about the collapse of a country....

PRETORIA. The government has defended its decision to promote four Members of Parliament implicated in the Travelgate corruption scandal to chair oversight committees, saying that "it takes a thief to catch a thief". Meanwhile President Jacob Zuma has promised to set up a toll-free presidential hotline that will allow citizens to be ignored in an entirely new way.

The decision to appoint four allegedly corrupt MPs to chair important watchdog committees has raised eyebrows among political commentators.

"It's not a big gesture," explained one, "but amongst those of us who are alert to subtle gestures involving eyebrows, it's a biggy."

He said it was "very unlikely" that Jacob Zuma's administration would be swayed by raised eyebrows, but said he would keep raising his own eyebrows until South Africans had clean government or his pair was shaved off by an ANC Youth League Re-Education Brigade, whichever happened first.

However, the government has defended its decision, saying that it appointed the four tainted MPs because "it takes a thief to catch a thief".

"Yes, Parliament does double as a semi-professional low-key money-laundering operation," explained spokesman Flipflops Kunene. "But obviously we need to limit this because our young democracy is rooted on the unshakable principal that the Comrades at the very top must be infinitely richer than the Comrades in the middle, who in turn must be infinitely richer than the Comrades at the bottom."

He explained that this system "gives the Comrades at the bottom something to be hopeful about whenever the election comes around, and keeps the Comrades at the top just paranoid enough to go to work every day to make sure they're not being undermined by undemocratic forces like auditors or tax collectors".

"It's a beautiful system, and it needs to be jealously guarded," he said.

Meanwhile the Presidency says it is working hard to perfect a new toll-free presidential hotline that will allow South Africans to complain directly to a recording of Jacob Zuma.

According to Presidency spokesman Hallelujah Mpundu, it was time to let South Africans feel that their voices were being heard, even if they weren't.

He said that the system would be able to record up to four messages a week, and that any complaints made by callers would be handed to "somebody who would file them".

Asked if they would be filed in a paper-shredder, Mpundu said, "It's possible."

However, he said, there had been some early setbacks in the recording process. He would not elaborate but a test call to the toll-free number reached a flustered-sounding Jacob Zuma saying, "You've reached the office of Jacob Zuma, please leave your…is this thing on? Julius, you're good with gadgets, please come here and…no, Jesus Christ, Julius, you're getting fish paste all over my machine, don't you wash your hands after you've eaten?"

Ken Wells
26th May 2009, 17:49
When I was working in SA in the late nineties:

They used to say then that South Africa was surrounded by 3 seas.

To the East the Indian Sea
To the West the Atlantic Sea
The North …..A Sea of Mess.:D

Nigeria was and still is the biggest impact on importing crime, as (with everywhere else in the world):suspect:

The Development Minister for SA invites his Nigerian Counter part for a visit.

He is picked up at Jans Smutts airport in a Merc and taken to a nice country Dutch Vineyard.
“My they pay well in SA” says the Nigerian:8

“Nah Mate” says the SA politician, “look over there see the motorways, the shopping malls, great infrastructure.60% investment the rest in my pocket, wink wink”

I seee, I see winks the Nigerian.

A year later the SA Minister is invited to Lagos, picked up in a Rolls Royce and driven miles onto a 1000 acres estate.

"Wow" he exclaims "they really pay you well in Nigeria"

The Nigerian smiles points to the horizon and says, "see the motorways, the shopping malls the infrastructure?"

"No"says the South African.


To the North you see the future for SA and it is;

:mad:Zim alone should be a wake up call, Not very nice!!!!!!

Solid Rust Twotter
1st Jun 2009, 19:46
So much for democracy.....:hmm::rolleyes:

Mampara of the week: Kebby Maphatsoe
Published:May 30, 2009

The little corporal
Old soldiers, they say, never die — they just fade away. And if only our Comrade Blimp mampara would do the same.

Last week, MK Veterans’ Association chairman Kebby Maphatsoe directed the most appalling vitriol at the Western Cape premier, Helen Zille, calling her a wild whore, among other things.

On Friday, he and his goon squaddies marched on her offices to hand over a memorandum of various demands. But Zille was away in Pretoria, so newly appointed housing MEC Bonginkosi Madikizela went out to meet them instead.

They told him to “voetsek” and that, as one of Zille’s “boyfriends”, he was too junior to meet them.

Why not send a cop out next time — to arrest Maphatsoe for hate speech?

Solid Rust Twotter
15th Jun 2009, 18:14
Not sure if this belongs in the firearms thread or the 2010 FWC thread. Guess here will do....

South Africa World Cup 2010... and the shooting's already started
By Aidan Hartley
Last updated at 9:49 AM on 15th June 2009

Only 70 miles from a 2010 World Cup football stadium, a farmer's wife and a boy aged 13 learn to defend themselves with lethal weapons. They say thousands of white landowners have been killed by Zimbabwe-style marauders; their black rulers accuse them of belligerence and right-wing tendencies. Aidan Hartley reports on the war of words you won't read about in your World Cup holiday brochure.

Farmers' wives learn how to defend themselves on a farm-attack prevention course near the Zimbabwean border in South Africa
Bella wakes. She hears a strangled, gurgling sound. It’s the dog, she thinks.

‘Peter, there’s something wrong,’ she says to her husband. Noises emerge from the room of her mother-in-law, who’s 98 and confined to a wheelchair.
It’s 1am. Bella gets up and walks out of the bedroom. In the hall she sees a young man who at first she thinks is her son. Except he’s black, wears a balaclava and is pointing a gun at her.
‘He comes for me,’ says Bella, her hand before her tear-stained face.

‘He’s going to shoot me! I trip as I run back to the bedroom. Peter comes to the door but he has nothing in his hand, no pistol. I hear a gun go off. I hear my mother-in-law screaming. I lock the door and telephone my son. I tell him: “I think they shot Pa!”’
Two men are outside the bedroom window with a rifle. She loads the pistol Peter keeps by the bed.

‘I take the gun and say, “Come on! I’ll shoot you!”’
Back in the hall she finds Peter dead, a trail of blood across the kitchen floor. Her mother-in-law Gerda is bruised and beaten.

‘I can’t tell you how hopeless I felt,’ Bella says. ‘I will see it in front of me for weeks, months, years.’

Vet's son Barend Harris (right), 13, learns to shoot
Days after Peter is cremated, the attackers return. The survivors are sleeping elsewhere by now, so the gang finds only the dogs in the house. They torture the animals with boiling water before soaking them in petrol and setting them on fire.
I ask Bella for a motive and she says a group of black South Africans who are squatting on their farmland have repeatedly threatened them.
After the family find the dogs, Bella’s son Piet calls the police. Weeks later the attackers are still at large; police arrested one man in connection with the killing but he was later released.
I am in her home. The bullet holes are still clearly visible. I ask her what she is going to do.

‘If we stay here they will kill us. You can’t say this was a dream, or rewind what happened. They want our land.’
This is Bella’s account of an attack that happened last month in South Africa, in the north-east of the country. Her home is a long way from the vineyards and beaches of Cape Town, but South Africa is to host the 2010 World Cup and five of the centres for players and the hundreds of thousands of tourists who will come with them are here in the north.

Preparations are in hand but this is against the backdrop of a country gripped by ultra-violence. Officially there are about 50 murders a day, and three times that number of rapes. Most victims are poor blacks in South Africa’s cities: reported deaths last year totalled more than 18,000.
But among the casualties of the violence are white farmers, whose counterparts in Zimbabwe are singled out for international press coverage; here in the ‘rainbow nation’ their murders, remarkable for their particular savagery, go largely unreported.

Farmer's wife Ida Nel learns how shoot an AK-47 and a pistol on a 'farm protection weekend'
There are no official figures but, since the election of Nelson Mandela in 1994, farmers’ organisations say 3,000 whites in rural areas have been killed. The independent South African Human Rights Commission, set up by Mandela’s government, says the number is 2,500.

Its commission’s report into the killings does not break down their figures by colour; but it says the majority of attacks in general - ie where no one necessarily dies - are against white people and that 'there was a considerably higher risk of a white victim of farm attacks being killed or injured than a black victim.'

It states that since 2006, farmer murders have jumped by 25 per cent and adds: 'The lack of prosecutions indicates the criminal justice system is not operating effectively to protect victims in farming communities and to ensure the rule of law is upheld.'
I have lived and worked in Africa for 20 years, reporting from countries all across the continent. I know that the truth is very hard to find here. Stereotypes are everywhere. Blacks give no credit to successful white businesses. Whites give no credit to the black populace, refusing stubbornly to acknowledge that they themselves are physical reminders of a brutal colonial past.
What is certain is this: since the mid-Nineties, 900,000 mainly white South Africans have emigrated from South Africa - about 20 per cent of the white population - most of them due to soaring crime rates. In an eerie parallel with Zimbabwe, farms have been reclaimed by unqualified workers.
The police say don't fight back. You must fight. It's the bullet or be slaughtered
Commercial agricultural production has taken a massive hit where land reform has occurred. And as the attacks on white farmers continue, the police seem increasingly powerless and ineffective, and farmers are turning to vigilante behaviour as their way of life comes under violent assault.
The ANC government's response to this has been largely defiant. As Charles Ngacula, Safety and Security Minister under the previous administration of Thabo Mbeki, said: 'They can continue to whinge until they're blue in the face, be as negative as they want to, or they can simply leave this country.'
Ida Nel is learning to shoot an AK-47 and a pistol on a 'farm protection weekend'. The course is being held only 70 miles from the 2010 World Cup venue of Polokwane. Ida is married to farmer Andre. They farm guavas and macadamia nuts near Levubu in Limpopo province.
Sonette Selzer a violinist, on her farm near Ermelo. She is trained to use a variety of guns and always carries a rifle over a shoulder and a pistol on her belt
'I'm used to guns,' she says. 'My dad taught me how to use one when I was a kid but I need to get confident and to know what warning signs to look out for in a farm attack.'
On the course with her are farmers, and their wives and children. Among the children is 13-year-old Barend Harris, the son of a vet, who brought his family 9mm gun. Those taking part in the weekend courses for about 50 people at a time learn to leopard-crawl with a gun and are taught self-defence (with knives and guns), how to look for signs that their homes are being targeted, bush tracking and how to shoot from a moving vehicle. They are given target practice with AK-47s, pistols, R4 and R5 assault rifles and 308 hunting rifles.
Driving around Mpumalanga Province, east of Johannesburg, in what used to be the Transvaal, I found myself called by the farmers to a string of grisly murder scenes. In some the blood was still drying on the furniture or the street. In others, witnesses gave me accounts of killings involving rituals of extreme brutality: of victims boiled alive, forced to kneel and shot execution style and tortured in ways so unimaginable they are too horrendous to print. The same goes for the many pictures I have been shown of the barely identifiable corpses and horrific crime scenes.
Sonette Selzer, who lives on a forestry holding with her husband Werner, has made sure that she and her two boys are weapons-trained. At home in Mpumalanga province, Sonette, who is a trained medic, claims she usually gardens with a pistol at her side and a rifle strapped to her back. She is fully armed as I arrive - rather conveniently, I think.

'It's very tiring but even in the garden you have to be alert to what's happening around you all the time. You can never, ever relax your guard,' she says.

When she hears of a man who got into a gunfight with three robbers she shakes her head: 'I'd hate to get into that situation. You need to finish it quickly.'
She gestures to her vicious-looking Ninja knives and I realise the chilling intent behind her words - you need to finish 'them' as quickly as possible.
She says she and Werner sleep in separate beds at either end of the house, with their guns and knives within easy reach. Their children Francois, 18, and Jaques, 16, are at boarding school in the nearby town.
'When they were very small they learned how to use guns and how to reload,' Sonette says of her boys.
Each dawn and evening the Selzers check in on the VHF radio with other members of the Farm Watch organisation, neighbours whom they find more reliable than the South African Police Service (SAPS). The couple are heavily armed, but what good will that do them if a group of attackers assault the house in the dead of night? The home is an ill-fortified outpost 40 minutes' drive from the nearest Farm Watch neighbours or SAPS station that could respond in the event of an attack.
'You must carry your gun and your Bible together at once,' says Werner Selzer.

And at the farmers' houses I visited, when grace was said at table, a semi-automatic rifle or pistol with extra magazines was prominently on display. (Once again, it's hard to say if they are just placed there for effect.)

Werner is adamant that only he can protect his family: 'The police say don't fight back. But you must fight back. It's the bullet or be slaughtered. If you're going to rape my wife and kill my children you must understand I have nothing to lose. But you can run away. And if I shoot back you will run away.'
Since the 19th century, Boer farmers were organised into farm militias known as Commandos. These defended rural communities from assault and, just over a century ago, they formed the vanguard of the rebellion against the hated British Empire.

'We kept the British busy until they killed our women and children in the concentration camps,' one man told me. The two Boer wars were as much of a catastrophe in their minds as the crisis now facing them.
'The Afrikaner Boer doesn't like war but we will fight if we have to - and the Africans are scared of us.'
Such right-wing sentiments have done the Boers no favours under the ANC, which suspected them of links to white extremist groups such as the neo-fascist AWB. In recent years the government has moved to disband the Commando units as part of a security plan to improve policing nationwide.
The Commandos had been accused of brutality towards black farm workers; indeed, there have been reports of belligerence and abuse by white farmers, leading to a sense of reciprocity about some of the recent attacks.

Danzel Van Zyl, a senior researcher at the Human Rights Commission, says: 'There is a feeling among black people that many white people have not come to the party yet. Reconciliation has only come from one side, and this is felt especially with regard to the farming communities. They are perceived to be conservative, with a block of them voting right-wing and for parties like (the ultra-right wing) Freedom Front Plus.

'Old ways still play out in a lot of rural South Africa, where you will see farmers keeping the seat next to them in their truck for their dog, while workers sit in the back. A lot of farmers were killed by disgruntled farm workers who had been maltreated by them.'

Even in the garden you have to be alert to what's happening around you
He adds: 'The increase in farm murders is also due to the removal of the Commando system. They were notorious and feared by farm workers. But the problem is, nothing came in place of them.'

He insists there is no concerted political campaign to drive out white farmers; but all parties agree on one thing: land ownership is the burning issue.
Twenty years after the end of apartheid, whites still own about three-quarters of the country's agricultural land. The ANC has sought to redistribute land to black South Africans by legal means. In this it has followed a radically different path to that of Robert Mugabe in neighbouring Zimbabwe, where the rule of law collapsed in the last decade as gangs of state-sponsored thugs drove off 6,000 white families.
The family of murdered farmer Nico Boonzaier at his funeral
In Mpumalanga, black South Africans are lodging hundreds of legal 'land claims' in which they must prove their rights to property based on family historical records. The land claims are adjudicated in court and, if successful, the state buys out white farmers at what the property owners themselves told me was a fair price.

But as a tribe of farmers, the Boers are resisting the loss of their land because, they say, it spells the end of a way of life for a community.
And this is what they claim has sparked bloody violence that they say is politically motivated all the way to the top of the ANC. The TAU, or Transvaal Agricultural Union, draws a link between land claims and attacks.

'When there is a farm claim I say "Look out!" because attacks may follow to scare the farmers,' says TAU regional director Piet Kemp.
This after all is the country where the President, Jacob Zuma, used as his election campaign song an old war chant from his days in the ANC's military wing, Mshini wami - 'Bring me my machine-gun'. And where YouTube posts include footage of Mandela singing another song, 'Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer'.

Mugabe may be a pariah across the world but in South Africa he has long been given standing ovations and rapturous applause at ANC events.
Widow Tracey Pemberton is 41 but looks 20 years older and appears to be malnourished. She dreams of emigrating to the UK but her British husband died five years ago and she lives on a 200-hectare farm in a ramshackle cottage. The area, set among huge forests of planted pine, is so dangerous that on the main road outside Tracey's gate there are big signs that warn CRIME ALERT - NO STOPPING!
'I'm stupid to stay but I don't know where to go,' she says. 'It's awful to have to say "Who's that over there? What's that noise?" I definitely want to go. Because you're a woman and alone they take advantage of you. My husband had a British passport when he passed away. He'd had enough of struggling and failing in this country...'
By the eve of the elections that brought Zuma to power earlier this year the family had already been robbed six times over the years. Then one night Tracey was woken by noises from her mother Yvonne's room. She found a man sitting on top of the 65-year-old woman. 'I can't get that picture out of my mind.'

Farmers learn rural survival techniques on the farm-attack prevention courses
The attacker stabbed her mother 17 times, but miraculously she survived. Sonette Selzer rushed to the scene to help save her. But, insists Tracey, the harrassment continues. 'They switch on all the taps outside in the middle of the night to try to persuade you to go outside.' And she thinks they climb about on the roof, although it could be the branches from the oak tree brushing against the tiles.
My visit to Mpumalanga came immediately after crossing the frontier from Zimbabwe and what struck me was how similar the landscapes were after redistribution had taken place. Once productive maize fields now grow only weeds. Citrus orchards are dying, their valuable fruit rotting on the branches. Machinery lies about rusting. Irrigation pipes have been looted and farm sheds are derelict and stripped of roofing. Windbreak trees have been hacked down and roads are potholed.

Few of those being resettled on former white farms are qualified to work them. Commercial properties are becoming slums where the poor live a hand-to-mouth existence in mud huts, surrounded by subsistence patches of maize. Meanwhile, black workers are put out of their jobs without compensation.
'Now we are in big trouble,' says Messina, a black foreman at what was Figtree farm.

He says his employers had to sell, 'because their lives were in danger, definitely. This place is not safe any more.'

Messina says the land resettlement on his employers' property was orchestrated by black elite figures from town, not people close to the land.

'If you look at them they are driving smart cars. They want to look big in their four-by-fours. They say they will help us - but nothing. No job. We are suffering.'

For all South Africa's aims to be following the rule of law, there are comparisons here with Zimbabwe and other calamitous reforms under the banner of 'Africa for the Africans'.
'I saw people with heads cut off, horrible things,' says farmer Ockert van Niekerk as he sits his toddler daughter on his lap at home.

Cops tracking cases lack experience. Dockets vanish and criminals get out'The aim is to scare white people. The attacks are not just crimes. They're political. You don't wait for a farmer for eight hours, kill him and steal a frozen chicken. In warfare you learn to soften the target, and the aim is to break us mentally and spiritually.'
But he then tells, in alarming detail, how he would respond to an attacker: 'I will cut in seconds all the main arteries: the neck, gut and groin.' He whips out two knives from either pocket. 'I feel quite safe with these.'
What the farmers dub 'hit squads' are well armed with AK-47s, deploy in gangs and if they are ever arrested they are allegedly found to be from outside the district - 'recruited', the farmers say, from cities hundreds of kilometres away.
At a farmers' day, or Boerdag, in a marquee tent surrounded by maize harvesting machinery, I meet a string of farmers with attack stories. One elderly man too scared to be identified tells me how a gang broke in at five in the morning, tied him and his wife up, then got an angle grinder from the workshop and sawed into the flesh of his legs with the blade, demanding, 'I want money! You must talk!'
One of the gang picked up the couple's mobile phone and inadvertently called their daughter, who then had to endure hearing the robbery unfold in screams and shouts.
The more brutal and incredible the stories, the more doubt creeps in: are they over-egging this for political impact? Are they perhaps deeply racist at heart? But then I remind myself: I have seen the pictures and read the local newspaper reports. I've been to the funerals.
It is said that the signs always lead down a road to the farmstead: bunches of long grass knotted like corn dolls, the strands of wire fences twisted into cat's cradle configurations, and stones, tin cans and plastic bags stacked in circle and arrow patterns.
These 'attack signs', which can supposedly warn if trouble is coming to your farm, are a macabre coded language. Farmers widely believe in their existence; they have been decoded by Special Forces veterans.
At first I wondered if the 'attack signs' story was a result of mass hysteria. But the hairs on the back of my neck stood rigid when I began to see what appeared to be sets of signs outside farms near where attacks had already occurred.
Each sign is said to mean something: a forked stick signifies a woman in the house, the corn dolls map out the farm buildings and signs dubbed 'triggers' are set to either 'off' or 'on' - meaning 'attack'.
White farmers read these runes and arm themselves because they have nothing else. New police units promised to substitute the old Commando system have yet to be formed. And people isolated on remote properties are worried by the fact that licenses for their firearms are not being renewed.

Two young men suspected of being involved in the murder of a white farmer in the North West province are arrested
As a South African Police Service (SAPS) officer, Derek Jonker investigated 52 separate farm attacks and he says, 'There has been a decline in the abilities of the police. There is a power struggle in the police and investigators are not qualified.
'Crime prevention has collapsed totally,' he adds. 'And cops tracking cases lack experience and resources to gather evidence and arrest oenders. Dockets vanish and criminals get let out of jail.'
In the provincial town of Ermelo, I meet a policeman who's tired and angry. He says SAPS can't be bothered to fight crime any more. Only four out of 16 police vehicles at the station are still in working order. I ask what happens with the vehicles that are in working order. He shrugs and points across the street to Ermelo's main supermarket. And there they are: four police prowlers parked in a row. The police are inside doing their shopping while at a street corner crime scene that we've just come from, the blood still glistens wetly in the sunshine.
And at that murder scene I met another police officer who dismisses the idea that the ANC was involved in a conspiracy against white farmers.

It is much worse than that for South Africa as a whole, 'It's worse among the black people - all those rapes and killings,' he says. 'I feel sorry for these people. Everybody suffers, not just white people.

'You can buy an AK for a bag of maize meal. This causes hatred between blacks and whites - and this is boiling up to what? Every time it's very emotional because it's black against white, but you must think with your head and not your heart.'
As we talk I'm looking at the blood on the ground. It's the policeman's brother-in-law who just got shot.

'The whole criminal system is a balls-up for white and black people,' he says. 'We just don't need this.'
South Africa's proposed new law and order plans include better policing for those urban areas expecting visitors during the World Cup next year. It will be the most heavily policed World Cup in history, with 200,000 specially recruited officers and equipment ranging from surveillance cameras to water cannon.

But it will remain unnerving for those who travel that these brutal killings are happening within just a couple of hours' drive.


16th Jun 2009, 14:45
This is sensationalist journalism in its worst most virulent form which will no doubt be lapped up by the feeble minded apocolypto set.

This article disturbes me on so many levels but mostly I think this journalist has taken every negative story he ever heard from the mulitude of whinging saffers in the Castle tavern in London, exaggerated evrything a hundred times and then composed this article.

Its so easy to write trash like this in a british newspaper when as a journalist you dont have have to back your stories up one little bit, notice that this plonker journo never gives concrete place names or dates so that the facts cannot be checked.

The reason I take such exception to this story is that I happen to have an interest in a farming operation close to the Zim border where all this [email protected] is allegedly happening and if you go there yourself you will see that its frikkin BOOM time in the Northern Transvaal ! Food prices are sky high.

Try buy any farm in the area at the moment you'll pay thru your @rse, not really a sign of people abandoning their farms as described.

The guys are making so much money exporting anything that grows or stands on the ground , ( mostly to ZIM ironically) my neighbour on the next farm's biggest dilema at the moment is whether to take the family skying in Aspen or Gstad this Christmas !!!

FYI, There is still an informal commando system that is working quite well, petty crime is a problem, there have not been any murders that know of recently, I have not found tied up bits of grass anywhere outside my farm or nieghbours infact Im sure I would have heard of this if it were true.

What really exposes this journalist as a complete doos is when he states that "the Afrikaaners dont like war", [email protected], we LOVE wars and we've been fighting them since 1652, The VOC, the Khoisan, The British, the Xhosa's the zulu's, the Basotho, pedi's, shangaanis etc etc etc Boer War( x2) first world war second world war, Rhodesia, Angola etc etc.

The local ANC town council in Messina are hardly able to organise a piss-up in a brewery yet this journo expects us to believe that they can covertly orchastrate an elaborate and very sophisticated undercover operation to murder white farmers as they sleep and drive them off their farms. This journalist is such as @rshole.

This journo would have the world believe that the Afrikaaners (The same ones that took all the might of the British Military to defeat 100 years ago), have been reduced to a bunch of terrified quivering wrecks who lie in their beds at night meekly waiting to have their throats slit like lambs. Bullsh1t ! This is not characteristic of the Afrikaaners that I know.

I'm not saying that SA is perfect at all, crime is happening and is a massive problem and I'm certainly not ok with having Zuma etc in power but what this journalist just described is like a Quentine Tarrentino movie meets the last chapter of The Biblical Revelations Apocolypse. Come on guys keep it real !

This is the sort of sh1te reporting is exactly what our country does NOT need because people who are less intelligent than those who read this forum will be mislead and incited to hatred and violence, of which there already is too much in SA.

As the English say " What utter and total [email protected] !"

Mac the Knife
16th Jun 2009, 15:44
Thanks maxrated!

I too am getting tired of the relentless doom-prophesying in this thread.

Yes, our politicians are a wunch of bankers but that goes for most countries.

Yes, we have problems but who doesn't.

Stop moaning and help make it work!


Solid Rust Twotter
29th Jun 2009, 19:12
Wonder if Zuma can sort this lot out....?

Ex-SABC boss lets fly at managers
Buddy Naidu Business Times - 28 June, 2009

Former SABC chairman Kanyi Mkonza is not going down without a fight.

Former SABC chairman Kanyi Mkonza — who this week admitted that she “sucks as a leader” — is not going down without a fight.

In a seven-page written submission to parliament’s communications portfolio committee she said the board was pressured into resigning because it dared to expose corruption and looting within the broadcaster.

Mkonza made the submission as the committee unanimously agreed on Friday to recommend to the national assembly that the board be dissolved after an at-times farcical inquiry into its ability to carry out its duties.

Two days earlier, 10 of the 11 remaining members of the board, asked the committee to dissolve it with immediate effect — with member Andile Mbeki imploring, “Please dissolve us.”

The three-day inquiry revealed an unrepentant and hostile board and SABC management at loggerheads with each other.

Mkonza said their strong political links had made senior executives “untouchables” and a law unto themselves. She said they were responsible for “looting” an organisation that is now drowning in an R834-million deficit.

Mkonza was one of three board members to submit letters to the committee — the others being former deputy chairman Christine Qunta and businesswoman Gloria Serobe.

Mkonza did not mention names, but alleged that:

1. Senior managers ran up bills on petrol cards totalling R18-million between November 2007 and the present, in a scheme that was never disclosed to the board;
2. A senior manager, with interests in the music industry, is responsible for the SABC’s music policy — a conflict of interest;
3. There are other conflicts of interest among executives in the content enterprises division, due to outside business interests;
4. A manager in the sports division owns a production company that receives commission work from the SABC;
5. The sports division received a qualified audit with “an impairment of R76-million” in the last financial year (some of this loss pertaining to “wasteful expenditure” on acquisition of sports rights such as the Spanish soccer league, the Euro 2008 Championships and an ICC 20/20 tournament); and
6. Money was wasted in buying international content.

Mkonza said: “The pressure for board members to resign now could be linked to people inside and outside the SABC not wanting the board to deal with these acts of possible rampant corruption.”

She added that the board was unable to act because of management’s “perceived political and parliament(ary) protection”, its “litigious nature”, pressure on the board to resign and “negative media and public perceptions on the board”.

Responding to the allegations, two senior managers said Mkonza’s submission was “the last desperate act of someone who has consistently embarrassed herself and the SABC”.

Said one: “She and the board are directly responsible for the mess we’re in. It hasn’t given the department of communications a corporate plan since inception, it has micro-managed staff, ordered the expansion of a news division without proper thought — which cost the SABC over R80-million — undermined management and its concerns over wasteful expenditure, and was always infighting.”

Said another: “The bottom line is Kanyi was out of her depth and did not have any experience of running a complex, multibillion-rand organisation.

“She screwed up big time and now seeks to deflect attention onto the SABC management team who have operated under difficult circumstances over the past year.”

Another executive described Mkonza’s statement as sour grapes.

“If she was the chairperson then she should have raised it through the proper channels rather than now placing them in the public arena.”

SABC spokesman Kaizer Kganyago said management would appear before the committee again on Tuesday.

“These issues were raised in parliament and if they are raised on Tuesday then we will definitely respond,” he said.

Mkonza further said lack of support had led to “opportunistic behaviour by management”.

Examples of this, she said, included former CEO Dali Mpofu’s suspension of news head Snuki Zikalala, the use of “airtime and resources” to try to force the board to step down, the mobilising of employees and parliament against the board, board resolutions not being implemented and management petitioning the president to remove the board.

Mkonza said the board had, since its inception in January 2008, after being appointed by former president Thabo Mbeki, not received any support from parliament or its shareholders, the government. The board has historically been seen as filled with Mbeki allies and funders of the Cope party. Mkonza said it had been “humiliated” when it first appeared before the committee in April 2008.

She questioned the legal status of parliament’s inquiry and said the board was still capable of carrying out its fiduciary duties.

“(There) was no immediate threat of the board collapsing without it fulfilling its fiduciary duties and oversight role,” she said.

Mkonza has in the past year endured one controversy after another, and several damning allegations still hang over her.

These include her use of a full-time bodyguard-cum-driver, which cost more than R300000; spending more than R800000 in early 2009 to spy on other board members and managers; engineering Mpofu’s exit from the SABC; authorising five-star overseas trips and leave for staff, and jetting off on a first-class trip to the UK just days after announcing a financial crisis at the broadcaster.

In her letter, Serobe said that during the past 18 months the tenure of the board had been “extremely difficult and sometimes abusive”, but this had not prompted her resignation. She had tendered her resignation in light of the fact that the board would not have a quorum by mid-September, with parliament unwilling to fill vacancies.

A defiant Qunta continued to question the legality of the inquiry, adding that the board had not been given proper time to respond to allegations and had “not been properly heard orally nor through written submissions”.

“I therefore once more appeal to you to provide us with an adequate period, being at least one week to 10 days, for written submissions,” she said.

On Tuesday, the national assembly will be asked to adopt the committee’s resolution and then ask President Jacob Zuma to dissolve the board with immediate effect.

The legal and executive services department in Zuma’s office confirmed its receipt of six letters of resignation from the board.

Solid Rust Twotter
17th Aug 2009, 16:59
...And another step out over the abyss...

Zuma: Land reform not working
2009/08/17 03:28:00 PM

Michael Hamlyn

Cape Town - President Jacob Zuma on Monday declared unequivocally that his government is planning to make "significant changes" to the willing-buyer-willing-seller method of land redistribution.

Speaking in Limpopo, he said at the official launch of his government's comprehensive rural development policy: "We have recognised that in order to move forward decisively with the land redistribution programme, significant changes will have to be made."

He said that in order to move ahead with land reform, government will have to "investigate less costly alternative ways of land acquisition, by engaging with all stakeholders within the sector".

He added: "The general view is that the willing-buyer willing seller model does not work. We will be seeking a much more pragmatic formula to land redistribution.

"It will be a formula that should address the issue as part of our country's ongoing effort at national reconciliation."

And he warned: "It should not be seen as a super-profit-making business venture."

The president told his audience that a critical part of the rural development strategy, which was approved by cabinet last week, is to stimulate agricultural production with a view to contributing to food security, and he promised that government will support the provision of agricultural implements and inputs to boost emerging farmers and households nationally.

"We must also make agricultural loans accessible and ensure agricultural extension services of a high quality," he said.

"Over the medium term, the aim is to bring about a measurable increase in agricultural output."

He said that the Ilima/Letsema campaign which helps recultivate land that has been lying idle will be intensified to enhance household food security. Other farmland will be protected from encroachment by developers.

"While we focus on encouraging communities to grow their own food, measures will also be put in place to ensure access by poor households to basic foods at affordable prices; and generally to improve the logistics of food distribution," he said. He also undertook to promote rural transport infrastructure and services.

"This will include non-motorised transport infrastructure, provision of rural transport passenger facilities and rural freight transport logistics," he said. "It pains us to see women carrying groceries walking long distances from the taxi drop-off point to their homes. Many rural school children also walk unimaginable distances to schools due to lack of proper roads and lack of transport."

- I-Net Bridge

Michael Birbeck
17th Aug 2009, 18:49
"The general view is that the willing-buyer willing seller model does not work. We will be seeking a much more pragmatic formula to land redistribution.

Thereby revoking so many aspects underpinning civilised norms that I can't go on for fear of blowing a vein.

For a much more pragmatic formula read "theft", "murder", "misappropriation", "graft" and "corruption".

unstable load
18th Aug 2009, 00:51
Hands up who's surprised by any of this, please??

18th Aug 2009, 01:25
surprised no, disappointed, most definitely.

Cardinal Puff
29th Mar 2010, 10:15
A little further out over the abyss...

The Daily Maverick :: Afriforum (and Steve Hofmyer) nearly come to blows with ANC & police (http://www.thedailymaverick.co.za/article/2010-03-19-afriforum-and-steve-hofmyer-nearly-come-to-blows-with-anc-police)

29th Mar 2010, 17:15
Can anyone explain why BBC journo's who are covering anything do do with the upcoming world cup soccer tournament in SA deliberately seek out the most decrepit and filthy squatter camps/shacks to use as a backdrop for their reports?

Not forgetting to include the obligatory visuals of a handfull of flithy snot and fly covered black children kicking a deflated old soccer ball around a dusty garbage patch.

I mean if an international journo was covering Wimbledon he would hadly seek out the @rse end of some squalid labour party voting, council estate full of alcoholic oiks to run as a backdrop to his story?

Despite the best endevours of our goverment, most parts of SA are still visually quite spectacular so I dont understand why BBC journo's dont want to use nice parts of the country for their visual back drops ?

Or, is their an expectation amongst Europeans that reports eminating from Africa have to have a depressing edge to them??

Any thoughts on this?

Cardinal Puff
17th Aug 2010, 20:35
Deathly silence from those who agitated for this to happen.

SA too great to be destroyed by fools (News 24)

Prince Mashele

2010-08-16 13:00

Not long ago this year, our nation was made to benefit from free political drama. The main actor in this was Cosatu’s Secretary General, Mr Zwelinzima Vavi. On behalf of his organisation, Vavi publicly read out a statement to register Cosatu’s concern that President Jacob Zuma remained silent about allegations of corruption levelled at some of his ministers.

Not unexpectedly, the ministers concerned were livid against Vavi, and indeed Zuma continued to remain silent. As we held our breaths to see how the drama would end, the ANC dramatically entered the theatre; it threatened to haul Vavi before its disciplinary committee.

Invariably, grotesquely theatrical moments in drama leave observers with dropped jaws. And so did the ANC choke our collective soul as a nation. In a kind of corruption-vs-society scenario, few would believe it to be true that the ANC could adopt a pro-corruption posture.

In its 2009 election manifesto, the ANC is unambiguous about its commitment to fight corruption. It states clearly “Corruption must be stamped out”. Therefore, when Cosatu calls for allegedly corrupt ministers to be investigated, readers of the manifesto would quite logically expect the ANC’s political morality to side with Vavi, rather than with the ministers.

In line with the spirit of the ANC manifesto, Cosatu was right in calling for President Zuma to investigate the ministers, since Zuma is the leader of Cabinet. His unwillingness to investigate – and the ANC’s threats to charge Vavi – leaves us with no option but seriously to doubt if Zuma is indeed committed to the manifesto of his party, which says “Corruption must be stamped out”.

Who will investigate who?

While our nation continued to wonder as to when President Zuma will finally institute an investigation against the ministers, the theatrical moment got even more unbelievable. Serious allegations now dominate our newspapers that, beyond the near-dearth Schabir Shaik, Zuma is currently being corrupted by a family from India, the Guptas. The Kumba/ArceloMittal saga – in which the Guptas and Zuma’s very own son were controversially involved – conjures up kleptocratic images, reminiscent of former Zairian leader Mobutu Sese Seko, who used his office to amass wealth. Suddenly, the Zuma surname seems to have become a winning business formulary.

When corruption allegations were levelled against ministers, Cosatu thought that Zuma was the suited higher authority to institute an investigation. Of course, this did not happen. Now that a cloud of corruption hangs over Zuma himself, a more difficult question demands answers: Who will investigate who? As for the ANC, we now know that the party sides with those who are alleged of corruption. Therefore, we can rest assured that the party will threaten anyone who would dare call for Zuma’s investigation. Fortunately, the author of this column is not a Cosatu Secretary General, he would certainly be charged for expressing an opinion.

All this happens against the backdrop of concerted efforts to prevent the media from reporting critically about acts of corruption on the part of those who hold public office. There is a party spokesperson with an interesting dental formula who is on record saying that journalists must be jailed. Coincidentally, this spokesperson comes from Mpumalanga, a province where politicians who speak against corruption literally get killed. If the mooted media tribunal does not succeed in silencing journalists, one can only hope that what happens to honest politicians in Mpumalanga will not happen to journalists, or to the author of this column. As we have all witnessed, the jailing of journalists has already begun.

Parallel to efforts to silence independent media, the public broadcaster – the SABC – is brazenly being remodelled as a media desk of the ANC. Recently on Siki Mgabadeli’s show, the new head of SABC news, Phil Molefe, comically announced what he calls his “new strategy”, which is a rehash of the ANC’s five priorities: jobs, crime, health, education and rural development.

While these priorities are indeed noble, it is rather strange when the head of news of the national broadcaster parrots them exactly as they appear in President Zuma’s speeches. Should we be surprised, therefore, that the SABC does not tell our nation that there are allegations that the president is corrupt? Imagine the SABC being the only source of information for us; would we have known how dirty our politicians are by watching news at seven?

Protect freedom of expression

We must not forget that the threat to clip the wings of the media is a matter far bigger than the clamour to protect silly journalists; it is a fundamental question of the freedom of expression. Unlike that of an animal, the human spirit has a natural urge for self-expression that politicians – however drunk with power – must never be allowed to trammel. In an article published in 1940, entitled Freedom and the Colleges, acclaimed philosopher Bertrand Russell makes this point with unequalled eloquence:

Let it be remembered that what is at stake...is the freedom of the individual human spirit to express its beliefs and hopes for mankind, whether they be shared by many or by few or none. New hopes, new beliefs, and new thoughts are at all times necessary to mankind, and it is not out of a dead uniformity that they can be expected to arise.

Imagine if all of us were like Phil Molefe, whose “new strategy” reproduces a dead uniformity with Zuma. Imagine if the thoughts we hold as individuals were to be expressed only if they are shared by many. Imagine if the freedom of the individual human spirit to express its beliefs and hope were to be threatened by the possibility of being punished harshly by a media tribunal, or suppressed by an apartheid-like Protection of Information Bill, introduced by latter-day looters of public funds who masquerade as leaders. This might please an unintelligent spokesperson from Mpumalanga, but it would certainly do very little to release the natural urge of the human spirit freely to express itself.

Corruption has brought our nation speedily to the brink of collapse. Like cancer, money has spread into every corner of South Africa’s body politic; a colossal social catastrophe is imminent. Many in society now see politics as a great stage of clowns; the integrity of our public institutions has been hollowed out. The most talented in our communities no longer feel the urge to serve the public, and the stage is left completely to the dumbest of fools. The danger of foolishness is that when it fails to persuade, it resorts hastily to force.

In times like this, all truly patriotic South Africans have a national duty to tell the truth about the unfolding drama before our own eyes. We must seize every space and opportunity to make it known that Zwelinzima Vavi is right in calling for an investigation against allegedly corrupt Ministers, or the President himself. If we do not do this, we will not have answers when our children ask: Where were you and what did you do when South Africa began to degenerate?

- Prince Mashele is Executive Director of the Centre for Politics and Research (Home (http://www.politicsresearch.co.za)) and a member of the Midrand Group

unstable load
18th Aug 2010, 05:46
plucked from elsewhere.....

SA too great to be destroyed by fools They are giving it all they've got, though.:ugh:
or words to that effect.

Cardinal Puff
8th Sep 2010, 05:23
I suppose it's better he occupies himself with doing it to various unsuspecting women than to the country as a whole.....:hmm:

This creature would shag a crocodile if someone would hold the tail for him. (Thanks SP. Describes him to a T.)

South Africa's polygamous president, Jacob Zuma, is to become a father for the 22nd time following news that his fiancée is pregnant.

By Jane Flanagan in Cape Town Daily Telegraph
Published: 3:20PM BST 04 Sep 2010

Jacob Zuma is to become a father for the 22nd time following news that his fiancée, Gloria Bongi Ngema, is pregnant. Photo: AFP/GETTY IMAGES
Bongiwe Gloria Ngema, who recently accompanied Mr Zuma on a state visit to China, is expecting a child early next year, according to media reports citing her close friends. The pair already have one child and are due to marry in December, which will bring to four the number of South Africa's First Ladies.

Reports of the pregnancy comes only a fortnight after the arrival of Mr Zuma's 21st child, which was born to the second of his current wives.

The boy, named Manqoba Kholwani which means "believe it", arrived amid claims that he could be the result of an affair between his mother and her bodyguard. The president has dismissed the claims as malicious rumours.

Now aged 68, Mr Zuma has faced repeated calls to live a quieter life and devote more of his energies to leading his country out of the griding poverty which confronts the majority of the population.

Mr Zuma's advisers insist that, as a proud Zulu, his culture permits him to have as many children as he wants with as many partners as he likes. However, the president was forced to make a humiliating apology earlier this year following the birth, out of wedlock, of his 20th child to the daughter of a family friend.

While polygamy is accepted in South Africa, the spiralling cost to the taxpayer of Mr Zuma's cultural observance has led to bitter clashes between the president's ruling African National Congress and the leading opposition party. News of yet another child and another marriage is bound to reignite the debate.

Taxpayers are already spending more than £1.3m a year to support Mr Zuma's current wives and some of his children. Generous friends are also known to help "sponsor" additional costs which do not have to be declared in public.

The "presidential spousal budget", which had doubled in the space of a year, was condemned as "exorbitant" by the opposition leader, Helen Zille. This prompted a sharp riposte from the ANC which accused Ms Zille, who is white, of "cultural intolerance".

The spousal office, which organises access to the president for his wives and fiancée, also pays for the women's personal support staff, such as secretaries and researchers, as well as domestic and international air travel and accommodation.

Mobile phones for the consorts and their secretaries, laptops and printers and a special daily allowance for "incidental" expenses are also covered.

"It is impossible for anyone, even on a president's salary, to look after a family of the size of Zuma's without relying extensively on private benefactors and the taxpayers' money," Mrs Zille said.

8th Sep 2010, 06:55
This is democracy in action, 'the people' voted for 'freedom' from Apartheid and they got a bigamous criminal for President, poverty, disease, a decaying infrastructure, spiralling crime, corruption and fraud.

Well done to the West for destroying what the whites built up in that part of the world. Zimbabwe is an even better example. I'm sure Peter (permatan) Hain and his ilk are proud and happy.

unstable load
8th Sep 2010, 06:59
Well done to the West for destroying what the whites built up in that part of the world. Zimbabwe is an even better example. I'm sure Peter (permatan) Hain and his ilk are proud and happy.

Ah, but you have it all wrong, sir. The permatans of this world did their sworn duty by doing what they did, it's all our fault that it's gotten derailed now, after all, we voted them in......:ugh::ugh:

At least it's a nice day in the Cape today...:D

8th Sep 2010, 09:38
At least it's a nice day in the Cape today...Still worth a lot. Current conditions here in the UK (in LAM area anyway)

080920Z 01005KT 4000 HZ SCT007 BKN012 15/13 Q1002

with occasional graft by MPs across the country but lows specifically focussed around the Westminster area. Outlook gloomy with outbreaks of banking larceny and a rising tax dewpoint.

8th Sep 2010, 10:00
At least it's a nice day in the Cape today...

... as it so often is, barring July and August which can be grim compared to the rest of the year, but still mild compared to most of the northern hemisphere.

Looking forward to spending October and November there after a lot of time away. First stop, Nelson's Eye!

9th Sep 2010, 18:36
Further to my previous post......Jeremy Clarkson on SA.

It must have been difficult running the television schedules during the World Cup. Because, obviously, you had to prepare for the fact that each knock-out game could go to extra time and then penalties, but have something up your sleeve to fill the time in case it ended after 90 minutes.
ITV decided to fill its sleeve with a fat man running around a studio in England, shouting, while the BBC went for a rather different approach.
When a game ended after normal time, and most of them did, we were often shown a film from South Africa. And every time I looked, they were saying the same thing: “Little Mboto has Aids and will be dead very soon, like his mum and dad.”
Then there would be a couple of shots of the presenter — usually a former footballer — looking heartbroken, and then it’d be 10pm and time for the news.
I became rather tired of this, especially as I did a sum the other day and worked out that I’ve been to Johannesburg more than I’ve been to any other foreign city — even Paris. I don’t claim to know the place well but I know it well enough to know that while there is social injustice, despair, Aids, and lots of little kids called Mboto with flies in their eyes, there is also a lot of hope, ambition and determination to make things better. And a rather good restaurant called the Butcher Shop.
I began to wish, as the BBC’s coverage wore on, that just occasionally, the presenters would get out of the shantytowns and examine the case of people I know; black people who now work in marketing and advertising and event management. Black people who have exchanged the flies in their eyes for Beemers and Porsches.
Because if we continue to tell the world that South Africa is a busted flush, it will one day be a busted flush again. It’s like target fixation when you’re riding a bike. You see the pothole. You know you shouldn’t run into it. But you do. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. And that would be such a pity. Such a terrible waste of Nelson Mandela’s life.
To pay us back, I sincerely hope that when South Africa’s broadcasters come to England for the 2012 Olympics, they make a series of films about social injustice here. “This is Jackie. She lives in the north and weighs 24 stone because she is monumentally stupid. And this is her husband, Ron. Look at his gormless northern face. What a numpty. What a chip-eating waste of blood and organs. What a sad reflection of British society, which even as we speak is engaged in a freefall descent into poverty, filth, crime, disease and hopelessness.”

10th Sep 2010, 00:46
I've been to Johannesburg too - quite a few times, since I lived about 80 miles away for seven years. I have to wonder whether Dr. Clarkson saw the whole of Johannesburg or just the posh suburbs: if he ever went to Hillbrow (http://www.jerusalemamovie.com/Hillbrow.htm), it must have been in a fast car with the windows up and the doors locked. :ouch:

10th Sep 2010, 06:10
if he ever went to Hillbrow (http://www.jerusalemamovie.com/Hillbrow.htm), it must have been in a fast car with the windows up and the doors locked.

In the 60s and 70s Hillbrow was a cosmopolitan even bohemian (insofar as it was possible to be bohemian under the calvinistic nationalist government) place.

Coffee bars, international restaurants and people from all over the world. Totally depressing to see it today!


Cardinal Puff
10th Sep 2010, 07:20

It's possible that the Bohemian culture was as a result of being an underground movement that, while not actively prosecuted, was discouraged but allowed to go pretty much unmolested unless it got too far above the parapet. Spent many nights there at Stubli behaving badly with fellow skydivers and students. Watched more than a few '70s porn star 'taches getting torched with flaming Sambuca.

The difference being that you could walk around at 2am pretty much unmolested then. You won't make it 50' down the road now without being accosted and more than likely harmed.

10th Sep 2010, 10:09
In the 60s and 70s Hillbrow was a cosmopolitan even bohemian (insofar as it was possible to be bohemian under the calvinistic nationalist government) place.

I went there during the late 80s / early 90s, and it was great then, too. We had to go there to find a decent record shop, for starters, and there was also a decent music shop with guitars I couldn't afford. :hmm:

What's interesting about the situation since 1993 is how Hillbrow has been invaded by foreigners too, especially from Nigeria. They've been doing the African organized crime thing for far longer than the locals, so they have an inherent advantage in such a lawless environment. Zimbabweans too, to a lesser degree. In this way, South Africa once more becomes part of sub-Saharan Africa.

10th Sep 2010, 11:20
I used to walk up to Hillbrow, where I had a flat, from the Rotunda (the old air terminal) late at night. I was often the only white person on the streets and I felt perfectly safe. That was in the 1970's.

How things have changed!

Solid Rust Twotter
11th Jan 2011, 09:28
Interesting reading from Dr David Klatzow, an outspoken opponent of the former Nat govt. Aviation link is some allegedly dodgy dealings leading to the loss of a B742.

Among other things....

The ANC-led alliance came to power with many stated and lofty ideals. They flowed from the rhetoric of such American greats as Martin Luther King. “An injury to one is an injury to all”, “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere”.

Our government, post-Madiba, has been slow to give reality to these lofty ideals. Thabo Mbeki (Mr Delivery) turned out to be Mr Non-Delivery. All functionaries in government were replaced by loyal party cadres. Everything became ideology-driven instead of ability-driven. Government interference in the universities has become much more overt and destructive than ever it was under the Nationalists.

Our health system was functional to a high level, even for rural black people, and the urban “non-European” hospitals, while an abominable reflection of the apartheid system, worked well, with standards high and no shortage of drugs and equipment. Now in 2010, we contemplate exactly what has been achieved in the 15 years of post-apartheid South Africa.

A previous vice-chancellor of UCT, Mamphela Ramphele, is on record as saying that Bantu Education was better than the mess we have now. Our hospitals are dysfunctional for all South Africans who are unable to afford private health care. The Johannesburg General, Groote Schuur, Pretoria Hospital and many others around the country are mismanaged to such an extent that they have become a threat to health. The hospital accounting systems are in a shambles and suppliers have cut off supplies until their bills are paid. The standards of repair and cleanliness have plummeted. The equipment, supplies and linen have been pillaged and pilfered.

Recently, at Groote Schuur, I encountered a neurology ward that had no toilet seats, no toilet paper, no soap and no towels. The chief neurologist there informed me that he would not use the toilets in his ward because they were too disgusting. The legacy of Manto Tshabalala-Msimang speaks for itself.

Our police service is severely dysfunctional. Too many of the serving officers are corrupt. A recent PhD thesis on the subject put it at 10 percent and probably higher. Our erstwhile chief cop, Jackie Selebi, stands accused of corruption, while he was head of Interpol, moreover. This is a national disgrace. The arrogance of the man in running around with the likes of the criminal gangsters with whom he associated and not seeing the conflict of interests is astounding. The government, which should be doing all in its power to prosecute Selebi to the full, is wasting taxpayers’ money trying to keep certain witnesses out of court on the spurious basis of national interest.
Our education system is a complete mess. We have the results of the OBE debacle to contend with, where the only certainty is that we will produce a generation of educationally crippled youth.

We have the ANC government with its ludicrous policies of “quiet diplomacy” that have allowed the stability of the region to deteriorate. The influx of refugees across our borders is fuelling xenophobic violence and is placing scarce resources under huge pressure. Our water supplies are dwindling and those that we have are polluted with faecal matter from the squatter camps along their courses. Cholera is waiting. Much of the water measuring equipment installed at key points on our rivers has been vandalised.

The Cape Times (February has reported that “Dire shortage at forensic labs stifles justice”. What do you expect? In my private capacity as a consulting forensic scientist, I have been warning about this state of affairs for some years. About four years ago I warned of the coming “meltdown”. To no avail. The analysts in the Health Department labs are appointed in terms of ethnicity and ideology and not in terms of their ability to do the work. When a previous head of the laboratory in Pretoria, Dr Neels Viljoen, attempted to set an examination to regulate the incoming analysts he found that he was expected to appoint people who scored single-figure results for the elementary chemistry examinations. The labs are swamped with incompetents and the work does not get done. The net result was that he and the other heads of the laboratories have all left the state’s employ and are lost to the system. Their expertise is not even available to assist the state in pulling itself up by its bootstraps. Nearly 5 000 samples from the Salt River Mortuary have not been analysed. The talk is that they will be discarded. So much for justice.

The government must stop the insane racist and aggressively affirmative policies that it has put in place. Corruption should be rooted out tooth and nail. All the available talent should be used in getting this country back on track. Stop the centralist interference in every aspect of our lives. It is not for the government to decide whether I may open a medical practice wherever I wish. All that will happen is that the available source of doctors will dwindle as they head for greener pastures.

Jacob Zuma is a national embarrassment is so many ways. His exuberant fecundity is the least of the issues, however. My primary problem with Zuma is his lack of appreciation for anything other than immediate gratification without appreciation for the consequences. He says what he feels the audience wants to hear, without a jot of sincerity or any intention to perform. It is high time, Mr Zuma, that you stop your philandering long enough to see that your party is systematically destroying this country.
As a group, the ANC hierarchy is as racist and as corrupt as the Nationalists. History will judge you harshly. Maybe I could leave you with two quotes from Martin Luther King: “Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.” And finally, “A riot is at the bottom the language of the unheard”.

So much potential succumbing to the greed and venality of the few at the top. They're the only ones who gained any benefit in real terms from the FIFA fiasco.

» Title: Steeped in Blood
» ISBN: 9781868729227

11th Jan 2011, 13:21
Thank you for posting this. It is so true and deserves the widest publicity possible.

unstable load
11th Jan 2011, 16:01
+1, SRT!!:D

11th Jan 2011, 20:24
What I can't reconcile in what I laughingly refer to as my mind is this Zuma chap describing himself as a "proud Zulu". I visualise a proud Zulu warrior of about 5' 11", muscular and lean, ready to slaughter a dozen or so Welsh Borderers.
He looks to be a soft living office worker.

Solid Rust Twotter
12th Jan 2011, 08:22
The perks of power. Not many skinny trough snufflers around. Meanwhile those who put them in power are now worse off than before. Who knew...?

unstable load
12th Jan 2011, 12:56
What I find sad is the absence of the normally stridently vocal Lefties in this thread. After all, you had your way and South Africa got "the government it deserved" and now that it's all going down the pan, where are you?
We, the white minority were all cast as doomsayers for daring to say it will end in tears before the elections.

Now, the poor are even poorer, but as long as they are being held down by their own kind, I guess it's OK.

Do you rest easy at night? Or doesn't it matter now that you had your way??:D

12th Jan 2011, 13:12
I think even the Peter Hains of this world have had the wind taken out of their sails by events in Zimbabwe and now South Africa. I hope they are deeply and eternally ashamed of the part they played in achieving the exact opposite of what they purported to have wanted for the majorities in those countries.

Come on Lefties, Pinko's, PC folk .... let's hear your side of this.

12th Jan 2011, 13:28
As a bit of a lefty myself can I just say that I was all too aware of what might happen in South Africa, after all we had seen it happen before, the problem is we are not really "Stridently vocal" as you put it. It is often overlooked by those trying to score points against the left that the regime in South Africa was a brutal and overtly racist one, It also tends to be overlooked by those trying to score points against the right that a fair proportion of members of the ANC were also brutal and racist. I always believed that we were looking at a tragedy in the making but there appeared to be no real solution to it, both sides were too entrenched in their views to shift. We saw with Mugabe that having a proviso for white representation in parliament changed very little. As soon as that provision ( from the Lancaster House agreement) expired Mugabe started to consolidate his ( and ZANU PFs) hold on power. Did anyone really expect anything different? We can all play the blame game here if we really want to but it all comes down to "What if?" The decisions that shaped this tragedy were mainly made in the late 1940s and it is too late now to go back and say that "maybe that isn't such a good idea you know" Being blind to the consequences of your decisions is not the sole preserve of the left.they just seem to be better at it. but they mean well!

Curious Pax
12th Jan 2011, 13:51
Curious that it took most western countries several hundred years to evolve the current democratic model; even the relatively new country of the USA has been at it for over 200 years, yet there seems to be an expectation that South Africa can accomplish that in a decade or so.

As shedhead implied, an extreme fosters an opposite extreme, and it will take at least a decade or 2 more to settle down into more central ground. The ANC evolving into multiple centre-left/centre-right parties will be a significant part of that process I suspect. As long as they don't try and go down the Mugabe route of suppressing that process then things will settle down eventually.

Compared to how I expected the last 20 years to pan out there, it has all been pretty peaceful!

13th Jan 2011, 15:38
One of the interesting things about being only a little bit left wing is that you can argue against both sides, if I was to state that "life in the Soviet Union was pretty good under the Communists" I would be quite rightly shouted down. If however I qualified that by stating that "If you were a member of the Nomenklatura in the soviet union then life was pretty good but for the majority of people it was extremely grim" then you would all readily agree with me. Now, try subsistuting "white" for "Nomenklatura" and "South Africa under apartheid" for "Soviet Union under the communists" How does that work for you?
Now, in the brave new world of a democratic South Africa you can substitute " white" with "political cadre" and "apartheid" with "the ANC" and still, for the majority of people, life is pretty grim.
Right wing government? pretty grim for the majority. left wing government? still pretty grim for the majority. If any of you know an answer that would not be pretty grim for the majority then kindly let people know because all I know is, the solutions tried up till now have not worked.

Solid Rust Twotter
13th Jan 2011, 15:46
Well, according to Dr Klatzow, it appears to have been a little less grim for most under the old regime. At least basic infrastructure seems to have been in place. The current free for all is not doing much good to anyone, except for the Chosen Few.

Despite the apartheid regime's best efforts, thousand of illegal immigrants still preferred to cross the borders and live in SA rather than their own particular bits of paradise. Got to be a lesson there somewhere.

So much potential wasted...:(

13th Jan 2011, 16:02
Someone has just sent me this. I think it's very appropriate in the context.

It just hit me !!
My dog sleeps about 20 hours a day.
He has his food prepared for him. He can eat whenever he wants, 24/7/365.
His meals are provided at no cost to him.
He visits the Dr. once a year for his checkup, and again during the year if any medical needs arise.
For this he pays nothing, and nothing is required of him.
He lives in a nice neighborhood in a house that is much larger than he needs, but he is not required to do any upkeep. If he makes a mess, someone else cleans it up.
He has his choice of luxurious places to sleep.
He receives these accommodations absolutely free.
He is living like a King, and has absolutely no expenses whatsoever.
All of his costs are picked up by others who go out and earn a living every day.
I was just thinking about all this, and suddenly it hit me like a brick in the head.......

My dog is a member of the ANC!

16th Jan 2011, 13:10

Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way you can understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic. Someone over there has it figured out. We have a lot of work to do.

"The danger to South Africa is not Jacob Zuma but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a Zuma presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Zuma, who is a mere symptom of what ails South Africa..

Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Jacob Zuma, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President.

16th Jan 2011, 22:15
Fool and folly imply irrationality. There is a moral dimension which makes the
situation more sinister and serious.

17th Jan 2011, 17:50
Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

This is the best argument against democracy as a form of government.

Just because democracy kind of works in Europe and North America did not mean it was right for Africa, or numerous other 3rd world countries, of course people like me were called racist's for suggesting that notion.

Curious that it took most western countries several hundred years to evolve the current democratic model; even the relatively new country of the USA has been at it for over 200 years, yet there seems to be an expectation that South Africa can accomplish that in a decade or so.

Curious Pax,

Sir, the problem in SA is not the democratic model, it is about incompetant governance.

This is a concept that the sandal wearing , juice drinking left wingers that so influenced world opinion on SA, never even considered or thought possible, despite intelligent opinion to the contrary.

People like myself have to deal with Africa as we find it to be in reality, and not as the liberal left wing of the northern hemisphere imagine it to be.

As the people of Zimbabwe found out recently, you cannot eat an ideology, no matter how lofty its ideals.


unstable load
19th Jan 2011, 16:10
People like myself have to deal with Africa as we find it to be in reality, and not as the liberal left wing of the northern hemisphere imagine it to be.

Bravo, Max!!

One annoyed realist
19th Jan 2011, 21:46
You've got to love a country that can have a road sign like this.



Anybody else would put a squad car on the corner. :ugh:

Mike X
19th Jan 2011, 21:52
You've got to love a country that can have a road sign like this.


Anybody else would put a squad car on the corner. :ugh:

There you go. Asked and answered.

I will never leave, but I will fight.

One annoyed realist
19th Jan 2011, 21:56
Sorry wasn't taking the pi$$, I loved my time there, I was just trying to be a little light hearted. :ok:

Mike X
19th Jan 2011, 22:24
Sorry wasn't taking the pi$$, I loved my time there, I was just trying to be a little light hearted. :ok:

I wasn't being heavy. I find it hilarious as well. :ok: :)

Solid Rust Twotter
28th Feb 2011, 03:32
MduP was one of those journos cosied up to the ANC in the past who attacked anyone who dared criticise the great liberators. Seems he's finally twigged that they're just another bunch of incompetent and corrupt political untouchables out to line their pockets. Not so nice in the real world, eh Max? Reality bites....

In South Africa the president had his widely respected Cabinet spokesperson, Themba Maseko, removed and replaced him with one of the most controversial public figures in the country, a man who was fired from his job as director-general of Labour, accused of serious misconduct and perceived as someone who deeply dislikes South Africans with a lighter skin tone than his own, Jimmy Manyi.

The tests given to tens of thousands of pupils this week to assess their literacy and numeracy skills are riddled with very basic mistakes.

South Africa’s top businessmen and industrial leaders tell everyone who would listen that an unfettered free market system equals healthy competition, prosperity and freedom for all and then one after the other they are found guilty of colluding with each other to screw the consumer.

The ANC has proved that it can’t even manage Robben Island or the SABC but it wants to nationalise and run the country’s mines.

The president of the ANC, a man who only escaped being tried for corruption and fraud through political manipulation of the prosecuting process and who has several children out of wedlock, tells the nation he is one of those going to heaven because he has an ANC membership card.

The selectors of the national rugby team, the Springboks, are adamant that John Smit is still the best hooker in South Africa.

The two foremost self-styled champions of the poor, the leader of the Communist Party and the president of the ANC Youth League, are better known for their extremely expensive taste in transport, accommodation, alcoholic beverages and personal adornment.

The government wants to impose an extremely expensive national health system, but most state hospitals have become places of abuse and neglect instead of places of healing.

The most powerful argument why the British man who allegedly had his wife murdered in a staged hijacking should not be sent to South Africa to face justice is a public statement by the Commissioner of the South African Police Service.

The national cricket team, the Proteas, declare that they are not chokers and predict that they could be in the final of the upcoming Cricket World Cup.

Archbishop Desmond Tutu maintains that South Africans are the Rainbow Nation of God.

The ANC says their proposed statutory media tribunal will guarantee proper press freedom.

The quickest way to get rich in South Africa is to be appointed the head of one of the parastatals like Denel, Eskom or the SABC and then immediately screw up so badly that you get fired and go home with a golden handshake of a few million.

The University of Johannesburg severs all ties with Ben Gurion University in Israel because of its relationship with the government of Israel and then starts a political school for the ANC at its Soweto campus.

I love South Africa, the Land of the Absurd.:ugh:

28th Feb 2011, 17:24
I love South Africa, the Land of the Absurd.Braavleis, sunny skies and chevrolet.

It was always thus, but skies are clear and the South Easter is not too bad. A balmy 27 degrees and time to crack open a Windhoek!

One more day fighting the traffic here though and one needs to go onto beta blockers. The South African drivers are even more absurd than the politicians. ;)

Solid Rust Twotter
8th Mar 2011, 05:03
One thing the pilferati hate is opposition in any form. Are we headed for yet another African one party state? This tactic of bussing in voters to take on opposition held councils is nothing new, as is handing out citizenship to Zimbabweans coming over the borders as long as they vote ANC. Try getting in as a non ANC aligned entity, or one perceived as such and see how much trouble you have getting citizenship.

Below is just one example. The silence is deafening...

Mayor cries foul on voter registration
2011-03-07 22:38

Johannesburg - Midvaal Executive Mayor Timothy Nast has laid charges of electoral fraud against eight people who registered to vote over the weekend and gave non-existent addresses, the Democratic Alliance said on Monday.

Nast met with the chief electoral officer Pansy Tlakula and the matter would now be investigated by the Independent Electoral Commission, the party said.

The DA said further charges could be laid if the addresses of another 100 voters were found to be false.

"This is against the background of a determined ANC using every illegal means possible to try and win the successfully run DA council of Midvaal."

The DA claimed that ANC voters not resident in the area were being bussed in to register in Midvaal. It also claimed a 73-year-old DA supporter, Edward Wenger, was assaulted by an ANC agent when he was taking pictures of the ANC group which was bussed in to register at the station on Saturday.

Police arrived and arrested him instead, the DA said.

Wenger appeared in the Meyerton Magistrate's Court on Monday morning where proceedings were delayed and the case was postponed for a week for further investigations.

Wenger has since laid a counter charge of assault against the ANC party agent and a charge of unlawful arrest against the police.

DA spokesperson for safety and security Kate Lorimer said the police actions indicated that members of the SAPS were not playing an impartial role in the electoral process.

"Members of our police service cannot afford to be seen as being partial to one political party.

"I call on the provincial commissioner, Lieutenant General Petros, to immediately suspend the SAPS members involved and conduct an urgent internal investigation." Lorimer said she would lay a complaint with the Internal Complaints Directorate before day-end on Monday.

"I have received the case number," she said.


13th Mar 2011, 16:26
12 FEBRUARY 2011
South Africa: Only a matter of time before the bomb explodes

by Moeletsi Mbeki: Author, political commentator and entrepreneur.
(Thabo Mbeki's brother)

I can predict when SA’s "Tunisia Day" will arrive. Tunisia Day is when the masses rise against the powers that be, as happened recently in Tunisia. The year will be 2020, give or take a couple of years. The year 2020 is when China estimates that its current minerals-intensive industrialisation phase will be concluded.

For SA, this will mean the African National Congress (ANC) government will have to cut back on social grants, which it uses to placate the black poor and to get their votes. China’s current industrialisation phase has forced up the prices of SA’s minerals, which has enabled the government to finance social welfare programmes.

The ANC inherited a flawed, complex society it barely understood; its tinkerings with it are turning it into an explosive cocktail. The ANC leaders are like a group of children playing with a hand grenade. One day one of them will figure out how to pull out the pin and everyone will be killed.

A famous African liberation movement, the National Liberation Front of Algeria, after tinkering for 30 years, pulled the grenade pin by cancelling an election in 1991 that was won by the opposition Islamic Salvation Front. In the civil war that ensued, 200,000 people were killed.

The former British prime minister, Margaret Thatcher, once commented that whoever thought that the ANC could rule SA was living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. Why was Thatcher right? In the 16 years of ANC rule, all the symptoms of a government out of its depth have grown worse.

Life expectancy has declined from 65 years to 53 years since the ANC came to power;
In 2007, SA became a net food importer for the first time in its history;
The elimination of agricultural subsidies by the government led to the loss of 600,000 farm workers’ jobs and the eviction from the commercial farming sector of about 2,4-million people between 1997 and 2007; and
The ANC stopped controlling the borders, leading to a flood of poor people into SA, which has led to conflicts between SA’s poor and foreign African migrants.
What should the ANC have done, or be doing?

The answer is quite straightforward. When they took control of the government in 1994, ANC leaders should have: identified what SA’s strengths were; identified what SA’s weaknesses were; and decided how to use the strengths to minimise and/or rectify the weaknesses.

A wise government would have persuaded the skilled white and Indian population to devote some of their time — even an hour a week — to train the black and coloured population to raise their skill levels.

What the ANC did instead when it came to power was to identify what its leaders and supporters wanted. It then used SA’s strengths to satisfy the short-term consumption demands of its supporters. In essence, this is what is called black economic empowerment (BEE).

BEE promotes a number of extremely negative socioeconomic trends in our country. It promotes a class of politicians dependent on big business and therefore promotes big business’s interests in the upper echelons of government. Second, BEE promotes an anti-entrepreneurial culture among the black middle class by legitimizing an environment of entitlement. Third, affirmative action, a subset of BEE, promotes incompetence and corruption in the public sector by using ruling party allegiance and connections as the criteria for entry and promotion in the public service, instead of having tough public service entry examinations.

Let’s see where BEE, as we know it today, actually comes from. I first came across the concept of BEE from a company, which no longer exists, called Sankor. Sankor was the industrial division of Sanlam and it invented the concept of BEE.

The first purpose of BEE was to create a buffer group among the black political class that would become an ally of big business in SA. This buffer group would use its newfound power as controllers of the government to protect the assets of big business.

The buffer group would also protect the modus operandi of big business and thereby maintain the status quo in which South African business operates. That was the design of the big conglomerates.

Sanlam was soon followed by Anglo American. Sanlam established BEE vehicle Nail; Anglo established Real Africa, Johnnic and so forth. The conglomerates took their marginal assets, and gave them to politically influential black people, with the purpose, in my view, not to transform the economy but to create a black political class that is in alliance with the conglomerates and therefore wants to maintain the status quo of our economy and the way in which it operates.

But what is wrong with protecting SA’s conglomerates?

Well, there are many things wrong with how conglomerates operate and how they have structured our economy.

The economy has a strong built-in dependence on cheap labour;
It has a strong built-in dependence on the exploitation of primary resources;
It is strongly unfavourable to the development of skills in our general population;
It has a strong bias towards importing technology and economic solutions; and
It promotes inequality between citizens by creating a large, marginalised underclass.
Conglomerates are a vehicle, not for creating development in SA but for exploiting natural resources without creating in-depth, inclusive social and economic development, which is what SA needs. That is what is wrong with protecting conglomerates.

The second problem with the formula of BEE is that it does not create entrepreneurs. You are taking political leaders and politically connected people and giving them assets which, in the first instance, they don’t know how to manage. So you are not adding value. You are faced with the threat of undermining value by taking assets from people who were managing them and giving them to people who cannot manage them. BEE thus creates a class of idle rich ANC politicos.

My quarrel with BEE is that what the conglomerates are doing is developing a new culture in SA — not a culture of entrepreneurship, but an entitlement culture, whereby black people who want to go into business think that they should acquire assets free, and that somebody is there to make them rich, rather than that they should build enterprises from the ground.

But we cannot build black companies if what black entrepreneurs look forward to is the distribution of already existing assets from the conglomerates in return for becoming lobbyists for the conglomerates.

The third worrying trend is that the ANC-controlled state has now internalised the BEE model. We are now seeing the state trying to implement the same model that the conglomerates developed.

What is the state distributing? It is distributing jobs to party faithful and social welfare to the poor. This is a recipe for incompetence and corruption, both of which are endemic in SA. This is what explains the service delivery upheavals that are becoming a normal part of our environment.

So what is the correct road SA should be travelling?

We all accept that a socialist model, along the lines of the Soviet Union, is not workable for SA today. The creation of a state-owned economy is not a formula that is an option for SA or for many parts of the world. Therefore, if we want to develop SA instead of shuffling pre-existing wealth, we have to create new entrepreneurs, and we need to support existing entrepreneurs to diversify into new economic sectors.

Mbeki is the author of Architects of Poverty: Why African Capitalism Needs Changing. This article forms part of a series on transformation supplied by the Centre for Development and Enterprise.

Reply from a friend of mine :

This email hasn't even begun to explain the brain drain BEE has caused in SA.
When a white man in sa does his course to become a electrician he needs a score of 80%. A black man doing the same test needs a score of 30% and he will legally be entitled to the job before his more experienced and qualified counterpart. This has flooded the work place with incompetent tradesmen who slow down the economy even more. BEE has also created a black society in SA who believe that it's their right to get the job because they are black.....maybe I am silly to believe that the best man for the job gets the job.

An example of this incompetence mentioned earlier- I was working in a metal pressing factory in SA as a floor manager. We had a power cut (because the government has seen it necessary to share our power with Zimbabwe) which caused a problem with the main supplying electricity to the factory. We called an "electrician" who thought it was a great idea to pull the live wire out of the ground with his bare hands. The ensuing firework display was not very entertaining.

I left my country 7 years ago and will not go back as long as prejudice, narrow-minded politicians are in power. The article fails to mention that under apartheid (white) rule there were more black people with degrees in sa than in any other country in the world. Also the article mentions that sa has become a gross importer for the first time in history. It fails to mention that we were once 85% self sufficient. At one stage the Rand was stronger than the USD!!!

We have the most corrupt government in the world and my decision to leave SA 7 years ago has been justified over and over again.

Mac the Knife
14th Mar 2011, 18:07
ANC car stolen with party property

March 14 2011 at 06:36pm

http://www.iol.co.za/polopoly_fs/iol-pic-oct5-jackson-mthembu-anc-ngc-1.683652%21/image/3987977806.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_300/3987977806.jpg Photo: Independent Newspapers

ANC spokesman Jackson Mthembu has expressed concern over the theft of a car containing party property.

The party was “deeply concerned” about the theft on March 6, 2011 of a white VW Polo with registration number DYD 806 MP, spokesman Jackson Mthembu said in a statement.

It had a laptop, two cellular phones and documents belonging to the ANC, inside. The car belonged to ANC treasurer general Mathews Phosa's personal assistant, Sunil Mahadow. It was parked outside Mahadow's home in Mulbarton South, Johannesburg, at the time it was stolen.

Mthembu “strongly” condemned the “act of criminality” and urged anyone with information to contact Mondeor police on 011-433-5400. - Sapa

Pity they're not as concerned about the other thousands of people whose cars are stolen or broken into every day...

I wonder what exactly was in the documents? Could be embarrassing!

Or was it bags of money for the lads? :E


Solid Rust Twotter
15th Mar 2011, 05:02
Sounds like a great idea. Right up there with setting fire to Malema to save the country some serious embarrassment in the long run...

A good, sound, sane foreign policy must be crafted for the realities of today’s world, not for the cloak-and-dagger, friends-and-foes days of the apartheid era. Sanity is an absolute requirement. Documents from Mbeki-era bureaucrats need not be submitted. By SIPHO HLONGWANE.

There are moments when we seem to have been transferred directly into Lewis Carroll’s “Looking Glass” world, when our leaders take a long, hard look at the options laid on the table, and then choose the worst one. When the issue of foreign policy comes up, we are often tempted to believe that the edicts and directives that emanate from the Union Buildings are decided by Russian roulette, with options ranging from bad to worse.

The reason is less Tarantinoesque than that, of course. The thing is: The leaders we’ve had in the ANC for the last 17 years are all old struggle-era cadres. They were blooded in exile, in prison and in persecution. They made friends in unholy places because they had to. Then the struggle came to an end and their situation changed drastically. The ANC is in power now, tasked with running a government and looking out for an entire country, and not just a single group of comrades. The trouble is they never bothered to redefine foreign policy to reflect this new reality.

How else are we to explain President Jacob Zuma’s continued support of Côte d’Ivoire’s Laurent Gbagbo, Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe, Equatorial Guinea's Obiang, Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, Iran's extremist government, his kid-gloves treatment of Muammar Gaddafi, tolerance of Myanmar government, past dealings with Saddam Hussein ... the list itself could run the length of an entire article.

On Monday 7 March the BBC reported Libyan TV's claims that Zuma had contacted Gaddafi to offer what can only be read as sympathy. “Libyan TV has highlighted what it said were remarks made by South African President Jacob Zuma in a phone conversation with Colonel Gaddafi, BBC Monitoring reports,” the BBC said. “It quoted Mr Zuma as calling on the African Union to 'take decisive action and uncover the conspiracy that Libya is facing'. It also quoted him as 'stressing the need not to depend on tendentious reports circulated by foreign media outlets' and the need to listen to the Libyan media in this regard.”

The presidency’s spokesman Zizi Kodwa’s reaction was to say that if we wanted to know the position of the country on Libya, “you will not hear about it from BBC”.

In a statement released later on 9 March, the presidency said, “The media has made reference to reports on Libyan television about some remarks which are apparently attributed to President Jacob Zuma relating to Libya,” it read. “President Zuma has spoken out clearly on the Libyan question. South Africa has openly condemned the loss of life and attacks on civilians and reported violations of human rights in Libya.

“The country (South Africa) supports the positions taken by the African Union and the United Nations on Libya and there has never been any ambiguity about the position of either President Zuma or the country,” the Presidency said, and continued to say, “The Presidency will not be drawn into rumours and distortions of the conversation with the leader of Libya, Colonel Muammar Gadaffi, who had called to explain his side of the story.”

The United Nations and European Union has slapped sanctions on Gaddafi’s government, but the AU’s peace and security council, which has just hosted a two-day meeting on the political crisis in Côte d'Ivoire, declined to sanction Gaddafi. Nice and clear then? South Africa supports the position of the UN and the AU (if we accept that the peace and security council speaks for the AU) on Libya.

Of course, South Africa has been drinking from the Gaddafi Kool-Aid for a long time. In 1999, Nelson Mandela gave a speech in Cape Town, in honour of “Brother Leader”. Brushing aside the international criticism of the man who may well have ordered the Lockerbie bombing, not to mention imposing a reign of fear on his country, Madiba said, “In a world where the strong may seek to impose upon the more vulnerable; and where particular nations or groups of nations may still seek to decide the fate of the planet - in such a world respect for multilateralism, moderation of public discourse and a patient search for compromise become even more imperative to save the world from debilitating conflict and enduring inequality. When we dismissed criticism of our friendship with yourself, My Brother Leader, and of the relationship between South Africa and Libya, it was precisely in defence of those values.”

In 1997, Mandela was one of the first international leaders to visit Libya, considered a pariah state at the time, and under tough UN sanctions. The visit brought Mandela in direct conflict with Bill Clinton’s administration, who accused Madiba of repaying Gaddafi for Libya’s support during the struggle.

The founding of the African Union, championed as it was by former president Thabo Mbeki, is greased in “Brother Leaders’” influence, and money.

On the other side of the planet, South Africa caused a massive uproar at the UN when it used its non-permanent seat on the Security Council to oppose a move by said the council to impose a resolution on the human rights debacle in Myanmar. They were our struggle pals, you see? Even if they are running that poor country into the ground, with human rights violations the norm?

Zuma’s stance of “neutrality” in Côte d'Ivoire has been exposed as nonsense after Gbagbo’s envoys to the AU's peace and security council refused to accept the body’s recommendations on the stricken country. The AU panel accepted Ouattara’s proposal that he lead a unity government formed from members of his and Gbagbo’s party. As we predicted, Gbagbo has now imposed a no-fly zone over Côte d'Ivoire, practically banning Ouattara from returning from Ethiopia. Rebels in the north of the West African country are once again talking of ousting Gbagbo by force. As it becomes increasingly clear that there is one major obstacle to peace in Côte d'Ivoire, Zuma has run out of excuses for not taking the UN position of ratifying Ouattara as the rightful president. Ecowas has every reason to now blast Zuma out of the water for meddling in the Côte d'Ivoire crisis and exacerbating the situation.

This week there was an another instance of the government getting cosy with a very shady character from Iran. Sapa reported that Iran’s deputy foreign minister Hadi Soleimanpour was in South Africa on 10 March, and was due to host a joint press conference with South Africa’s deputy foreign relations minister Ebrahim Ebrahim. The press conference was hastily called off apparently because Soleimanpour is uncomfortable with his poor English. The reason may be more sinister. Iran’s deputy foreign minister is wanted by Interpol in connection with the 1994 bomb attack outside a Jewish centre in Buenos Aires which killed 85 people. Soleimanpour was Iran’s ambassador to Argentina at the time. The attack is believed to have been carried out by Hezbollah.

The case in Argentina has been mired in controversy. Soleimanpour was arrested in Britain in 2003 in connection with the warrant, but Argentina could not provide the necessary evidence to extradite the diplomat. Red notices, which had been issued by Interpol on Soleimanpour and others were withdrawn, but they are still wanted in Argentina.

South Africa signed an Extradition and Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty with Argentina on 28 February 2007, but it has yet to be ratified.

Yes, we understand, during the Cold War the apartheid government was so virulently opposed to communism that the ANC pretty much had to fall into the Eastern Bloc’s lap. The adage “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” applied here as well, meaning the ANC made friends with states that were not exactly the pillars of virtuous rule.

The rules are different now. Firstly, the Iron Curtain came down. Also, you can’t run a country as if it’s a guerrilla camp in the mountains somewhere. But apparently Zuma is determined to walk in the footsteps of Mbeki in his foreign policy. It is deeply sad and deeply unfunny.

What happened to our understanding of what is right and wrong? And here we're not even talking moral categories. Our question is whether it is right to consistently go against the grain of world opinion and consistently support governments that routinely deride the notion of human rights and peaceful existence.

The world has changed and Zuma better understand it soon. South Africa needs to chart a new foreign policy that marries our ambitions on the continent and the world stage with the realities of the world and the wishes of the South African people. This is all happening against a backdrop of China’s increasing involvement on the continent, not just in trade, but in politics as well. South Africa could be acting as a beacon of morality, but it isn’t. Under Mandela and Mbeki, it was clearly a case of “you don’t let go of old friends, no matter how rotten they are”. Under Zuma, we are adding an element of schoolyard bullying to our interactions with other African countries.

Zuma is currently on a collision course with Ecowas, most of the AU, the UN, the EU and the US. He can’t hope to survive a battering from all four with a big smile on his face. South Africa can’t afford to go down that route.

President Zuma, it is time to get a new foreign policy. We’ll even help you write it.

15th Mar 2011, 05:44
The sight of a burning bus on Baden Powell Drive yesterday (attacked by striking Cape Town taxi drivers) plus the news of injuries and deaths of innocent people going about their lawful business (including a child) and the news that ambulances were also stoned was an ongoing reminder to this commentator that this country is still a million miles from being stable, peaceful or democratic.

The rainbow has been stained by the soot of daily riots and the words powder and keg come to mind all the time.

15th Mar 2011, 09:48
I am about to take a group of some 30 people out to SA on a study tour. I have to address them tomorrow on the subject of, amongst others, personal safety. It becomes increasingly hard and more of a worry to do this with any confidence. Whereas I used to tell people that they would have to be very unlucky or foolish to be the victims of anything much worse than pickpocketing, I fear that this is no longer true.

Mac the Knife
15th Mar 2011, 11:53
Let's not go over the top now

"...they would have to be very unlucky or foolish to be the victims of anything much worse than pickpocketing..."

is still true.

I reckon you're safer in Cape Town than Moscow or Rio or several dozen more cities that I could name.

And its much more beautiful!



Solid Rust Twotter
15th Mar 2011, 12:55
..Pity about all the Stormers supporters though....:}

unstable load
16th Mar 2011, 07:03
I reckon you're safer in Cape Town than Moscow or Rio or several dozen more cities that I could name.
Agreed, provided the usual requirements of common sense are met regarding where you go and at what time you do so.

..Pity about all the Stormers supporters though....:}
That's one of the prices we have to pay for living there, old chap. Sharks sticker on the bumper says it all, though.:ok:

Solid Rust Twotter
16th Mar 2011, 07:13
My condolences. Thought Cape Town had it rough with all the Stormers supporters.:}

16th Mar 2011, 07:33
Vrystaat. ;)

With naartjies and empy bottles nog al.


16th Mar 2011, 08:24
I reckon you're safer in Cape Town than Moscow or Rio or several dozen more cities that I could name.
And its much more beautiful!

Agreed, and I normally tell people I feel safer in parts of CPT or even JNB than in some parts of London, but it's not always a valid comparison. What's worrying is the level of violence that often accompanies what would otherwise be a petty crime, but on the other hand in the UK there is far more mindless, yobbish, gratuitous violence.

One of the people going out there with me knows Shrien Dewani, and whilst for various reasons it would not be appropriate to discuss that here, nothing I can say will convince him that by going into a township late on a Saturday night, they committed an act of almost unbelievable stupidity.

16th Mar 2011, 08:45

and whilst for various reasons it would not be appropriate to discuss that here


Please feel free to discuss it here, this is a rumor network after all.

What possible harm could come of it?

they committed an act of almost unbelievable stupidity

.....or an act of murder, according to the public prosecutor, who , I am reliably informed, has rather overwhelming evidence against Mr Dewani.
Which, may explain his reluctance to being extradited for his court case.

16th Mar 2011, 08:51

That may be or not be. I hope he isn't extradited to SA. He has no hope of a fair trial there.

As for murders, well, of course, we all ring Xhosa speaking assassins (from Britain) on the basis that they might be able to rid of us an unwanted other.


16th Mar 2011, 08:55
and whilst for various reasons it would not be appropriate to discuss that here

The case is 'sub judice' and I think there are legal restrictions on discussing it.

That aside, we may well have our own views, I have mine, but nobody knows the truth except those directly concerned.

18th Mar 2011, 23:48
I found these whildt doing some research for a project. Quite fascinating to look at these news clips now.

ITN Roving Report: The New Republic (http://www.itnsource.com/clipdetails.aspx?partner=bhc_itn&year=1961&month=06&day=21&libref=x21066101)

Solid Rust Twotter
22nd Mar 2011, 19:37
I guess if Brother Leader is picking up the tab, ol' JZ will say anything he wants....


Solid Rust Twotter
26th Mar 2011, 10:22
SA cops hard at work. That's when they're not sleeping at their posts, renting their firearms to criminals or holding up banks themselves...:rolleyes:

YouTube - police violence South Africa (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMSHm3mph3U&feature=player_embedded#at=30)

Dang! Still can't fettle this embedding thing....

9th Apr 2011, 21:04
South Africa is the only country in the world where affirmative action is in the favor of the majority who has virtually complete political control.

The fact that the political majority requires affirmative action to protect them against a 9% minority group is testament to a complete failure on their part to build their own wealth making structures, such that their only solution is to take it from others.

eggnog the flippant
9th Apr 2011, 21:35
At the very great risk of stirring up a hornet's nest

From a UK perspective I can only ask what, if any, chance does this have of moving things on?:

BBC News - Libya: African leaders set for key visit (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13023267)

Solid Rust Twotter
10th Apr 2011, 07:16
It's possible there may be an end to the fighting if Ghaddafi is offered a back door and quits Libya to go live in SA. Aristide has just moved out so there's room on the teat for Brother Leader and even Gbagbo. Maybe JZ's new hobby is collecting deposed dictators.

10th Apr 2011, 07:55
From a UK perspective I can only ask what, if any, chance does this have of moving things on?:

It's not about moving things on in a way to benefit the people of either country. It's about African leaders showing 'solidarity' with each other. Not, of course, that they know what solidarity means, any more than they know what 'democracy', 'freedom', 'power sharing' or any of the other words they throw around mean.

10th Apr 2011, 08:49
Seems to me that, if you shift a word here and there, an impartial observer could with complete justification make exactly the same comment about the leaders of the British coalition government.

10th Apr 2011, 08:57
Seems to me that, if you shift a word here and there, an impartial observer could with complete justification make exactly the same comment about the leaders of the British coalition government

You are absolutely correct, and I nearly said that this could apply to any government anywhere in the world, not just Britain's excuse for leaders. The thread is about South African politics, which is why I didn't broaden it.

unstable load
10th Apr 2011, 10:54
It's about African leaders showing 'solidarity' with each other. Not, of course, that they know what solidarity means, any more than they know what 'democracy', 'freedom', 'power sharing' or any of the other words they throw around mean.

It's also payback time for the SA guvmint. Various formerly or even, currently unsavoury fellows sheltered the current crop of "leaders" while they were "in exile" and since the revolution in SA, some of them like Mad Bob in Zim have continued stumbling down the road they have always trod, collecting the deserved criticisms of the better educated and seemingly more civilised members of this muddy ball we live on, and when pressure is brought to bear on SA to step up and be counted by metaphorically rapping Bob on his calloused knuckles, they have steadfastly refused to do more than mumble through their beards and draw circles in the sand with their toes.
Brother Leader is another example of this unwillingness to show presence of any taste or common sense by making a stand and being counted. Meanwhile, investors are skittish to put their money in SA and everyone wonders why......

At least, that's my opinion.....:ok:

13th Apr 2011, 17:02
I wrote a letter tongue in cheek to the Office of the State President, who was then P W Botha, a nasty piece of work,http://media.monstersandcritics.com/galleries/468795/00852938150.jpg and the reply I got looked innocent enough but they kept their eyes on me for a long time after that. When I applied for a permanent position (as opposed to contractor) with SAA, it was refused for 'reasons which could not be divulged' and my South African passport was withdrawn on a later date.


Solid Rust Twotter
15th Apr 2011, 10:31
Heaven help us...

'Boere is bad', says young Malema supporter
2011-04-14 22:54

Read more stories about
hate speech

Arms display at hate speech trial 'dangerous' - 14 Apr
Supporters chant Malema's name - 14 Apr
Unfazed, Malema sings 'kiss the boer' - 13 Apr
Hands off our political songs, says ANCYL - 13 Apr
Shivambu files papers in Equality Court - 13 Apr
Expert: Shoot the boer like a chant - 13 Apr

Johannesburg - An additional hate speech charge will be brought against ANC Youth League president Julius Malema and another against spokesperson Floyd Shivambu, AfriForum said on Thursday.

"AfriForum took this decision after Malema encouraged his followers outside the... High Court in Johannesburg to sing a song with the words 'shoot to kill' with him," the civil rights organisation's deputy CEO Ernst Roets said in a statement.

"Shivambu also sang the song dubula (i)bhunu (shoot the boer) outside the court this afternoon in front of a group of Youth League supporters, and encouraged them to sing along with him."

The civil rights group said it would lay the charges at the Equality Court, sitting in the South Gauteng High Court, at 09:00.

"If the Youth League really wanted to encourage peaceful co-existence in South Africa, they would rather have encouraged their followers to refrain from singing songs like that until the judge has given his verdict in the case that is currently being heard in court," Roets said.

Malema is currently standing trial on a charge of hate speech brought by AfriForum over his singing of the struggle song containing the lyrics "shoot the boer" or "awudubhule ibhunu".

Shivambu said no one sang any song containing the word "boer" outside the court.

"You can watch the TV footage, we never sang about that outside court, no one ever mentioned the word boer.

"They are being ridiculous. If they [AfriForum] want to waste their time and money, they are welcome to do that [lay charges]."

A test

Earlier, Malema told supporters outside the South Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg that the hate speech case against him is just a test for the "revolution".

"There is no individual on trial... they are testing our revolution... they are testing methods we used to defeat them," he told the gathering minutes after court proceedings adjourned.

"These judges are our judges, whether you like it or not, they work for the government... the government which is us the ANC."

He asked the group to maintain their "militancy" and not apologise for being "radical".

"We are here to defend our history," he said adding that the "incoming youth" should know about struggle songs.

Malema said blacks were still engaged in a struggle for economic emancipation and wanted to "own in this economy of South Africa".

"They must share the land with us... South Africa belongs to us, black and white." Malema has been brought to court over his singing the song "awudubhule ibhunu" or "shoot the boer" - which civil rights group AfriForum argues constitutes hate speech.

Malema told the crowd singing the song did not mean they were declaring war, or going to kill whites.

"Even in our singing, we must never be confused that we are declaring war... Even at the funeral of Chris Hani, even when we are angry... marching through the white suburbs... we have never killed any white person," he said to cheers.

He added that former President Nelson Mandela asked "us to forgive...but yet, we have not forgotten".

My president, my president

Before his talk, Malema, who was flanked by bodyguards and ANC MP Winnie Madikizela Mandela, repeatedly shouted into the microphone "Down with Helen Zille down" and "Down with DA down".

Madikizela-Mandela had been at Malema's side since proceedings started on Monday.

Many supporters, including a young girl, carried posters depicting white children riding on the backs of black children. When the little girl was asked if she knew what this meant, her reply was "boere is bad".

Another poster read: "We know Malema, you are going to be the next president of South Africa... We support nationalisation of mines, no one can stop you Malema, we will die for you Malema, ANC is going to rule until Jesus comes."

At lunch, supporters braved the rain while dancing to and singing "awudubhule ibhunu" outside court.

Two supporters were seen squeezing water off an ANC flag, whilst another rolled on the ground in water washing down the street.

During the morning a bus branded with ANC colours, with a picture of Jacob Zuma on the sides, picked up supporters from outside court.

As one man boarded the vehicle, he shouted: "My president, my president, leave my president alone."

Deep-seated insensitivity

Farmers' organisation Tau-SA, which is supporting AfriForum in its case, brought authorities on Afrikaner culture to testify.

They included dean of the law faculty at the University of Pretoria, Professor Anton Kok, and a former general in the SA National Defence Force - who had been conducting research into farm murders since 1990.

The court heard on Thursday that the concept of "kill the boer" threatened Afrikaners' symbolic connection to South Africa.

Federasie van Afrikaanse Kultuurvereniginge (FAK) (Federation of Afrikaans Cultural Organisations) chairperson Professor Danie Goosen said:

"'Kill the boer' is experienced as an utterance which places the ideals of Afrikaners in a difficult space.

"The prevalent feeling [among Afrikaners] is very negative... not a single Afrikaner supports it [the utterance] within the confines that I move.

"... [It is] seen as a threat to their symbolic connection to South Africa. This 'kill the boer' concept creates a problem with the respect between the majority and minority."

Goosen told the court the FAK consisted of 27 organisations and was the largest body for Afrikaners, representing about 200 000 of them.

The utterances "shoot the boer" or "kill the boer" came from deep-seated insensitivity. He said the majority did not understand the problems of minority groups.

The case is being heard in the South Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg, sitting as the Equality Court.

More witnesses were expected to be called on Friday.


Solid Rust Twotter
15th Apr 2011, 10:56
It's not getting any better...

ANC has double standards - FF Plus
2011-04-14 17:45

Pretoria - Freedom Front Plus leader Pieter Mulder on Thursday accused the African National Congress of double standards.

While the ANC was fighting in court to keep the slogan "shoot the boer", the ANC's secretary general Gwede Mantashe was objecting to a Constitutional Court decision "that Robert McBride may indeed be called a murderer", Mulder said in a statement.

"It is absolute double standards of the ANC to want to decide which history they want to keep and which history does not suite them," he said.

The majority of South Africans wanted to live in peace.

"To try and justify in court 'shoot the boer' in the current times of farm murders and then to sing it in front of the court, reveals an insensitivity and an arrogance of the ANC which does not promote harmony and peace," said Mulder.

"At the same time, the ANC is demanding that Mr Robert McBride is not called a murderer. This is double standards."

He said South Africa needed "a Mandela atmosphere and not a Malema atmosphere".

The Constitutional Court on Friday held that the Reconciliation Act did not make the fact that McBride committed murder untrue.

It found that the act did not prohibit frank public discussion of his deed and did not prevent him from being described as a "criminal".

McBride was responsible for the deaths of three people in the Magoo's bar bomb in Durban in 1986 and was found guilty of murder.

He was initially sentenced to death, but was later granted amnesty by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

Mulder said: "Amnesty did not change the facts and Mr Mantashe's comments can also not do it, even though he had received amnesty."

ANC Youth League president Julius Malema is standing trial in the Equality Court on a charge of hate speech brought by the civil rights group AfriForum over his singing of a struggle song containing the lyrics "shoot the boer" or "awudubhule ibhunu".


15th Apr 2011, 15:54
Malema is bad news for so many reasons. Have a number of friends who are now looking at distant shores because of that pinhead.

I tend to think that he shouldn't be ignored but also not granted the grace of being taken too seriously either.

Trevor Noah on Malema.


Oh forget Malema, here is some more Noah on SA cell providers!


15th Apr 2011, 16:05
When I applied for a permanent position (as opposed to contractor) with SAA, it was refused for 'reasons which could not be divulged' and my South African passport was withdrawn on a later date.

Jy het op die ou krokedil se stert gestap! :ok:

Solid Rust Twotter
19th Apr 2011, 07:27
More from hayibo.com....

‘Shoot The Politician’ to be new hit struggle song

A catchy new struggle song, ‘Shoot the politician’, has been hailed by the 20-million South African voters who get nothing in return for their vote. “If ‘Shoot The Boer’ refers to a struggle against a corrupt anti-democratic system rather than being a call for genocide, then MP’s won’t have a problem if we sing ‘Shoot the politician’,” explained a spokesman. “Ain’t democracy a bitch?”

Meanwhile some white farmers have expressed “slight discomfort” at their taxes being used to pay for Julius Malema’s hate speech defence.

“Call us reactionary counterrevolutionaries,” said farmer Ploeg Spoeg-Kroeg, “but doesn’t it strike anyone else as a bit odd that we’re paying lawyers to defend Julius’s right to call for us to be murdered?”

However, most legal experts have agreed that the song ‘Shoot the Boer’ is not a call for actual murder but a call to arms against the repressive apartheid regime, a verdict that has been welcomed by the writers of the new hit struggle song, ‘Shoot the politician’.

“When we sing, ‘Shoot the politician, blow the corrupt thieving complacent racist motherf*cker away’, we’re actually just calling for greater accountability,” explained songwriter Stratocaster Semenya. “Or maybe we aren’t, but that all depends on what the lawyers say. And how much longer our patience holds out.”

He said that references to specific people were also harmlessly metaphorical.

“The second verse goes, ‘Shoot Sicelo Shiceka, shoot him in the ass with buckshot made of diamonds, then rub wasabi paste onto his perforated ass, then shoot him in the ass again, don’t worry, he’s got medical aid’.

“Obviously in this case he is just a metaphor for all the criminally insane MPs who use taxpayers’ money to visit their girlfriends in Swiss jails. So chill. It’s not a threat.

“Or is it?”

This morning politicians from across the political spectrum reacted angrily to the song, saying that freedom of speech was nice in theory but when it “blundered with its grubby peasant clogs through the hallowed members-only halls of Parliament and threatened those who account to nobody but God, their bank managers and Jacob Zuma – in ascending orders – then it has gone too far”.

“You can’t go around calling for people to be shot,” said backbencher Filibuster Zuma. “Unless you’re referring to Boere. Or criminals. Or cockroaches. And by cockroaches we mean of course political opponents, and we mean ‘shoot’ in a metaphorical sense. Sort of, depending on the context.”

19th Apr 2011, 07:40
“Call us reactionary counterrevolutionaries,” said farmer Ploeg Spoeg-Kroeg, “but doesn’t it strike anyone else as a bit odd that we’re paying lawyers to defend Julius’s right to call for us to be murdered?”

Farmer plow, spit-bar!

Who says that South Africans don't have a sense of humour! :D

Solid Rust Twotter
19th Apr 2011, 09:01

Solid Rust Twotter
24th Apr 2011, 21:48
Local elections coming up. Not sure what they hope to achieve by doing this or if it's just looking after their own. Not the first time it's happened either. Cases on record of released offenders getting up to their old tricks of murder and rape within days of their release.

Killers walk free

April 24 2011 at 04:41pm

Independent Newspapers
The government is releasing some of South Africa's most hardened murderers and rapists without notifying the families of their victims, some of whom learned for the first time this week that the criminals were walking free. Photo: Independent Newspapers

The government is releasing some of South Africa’s most hardened murderers and rapists without notifying the families of their victims, some of whom learned for the first time this week that the criminals were walking free.

Opposition parties have reacted furiously to circumstances surrounding the controversial decision by the Department of Correctional Services to consider parole for 385 prisoners who were on death row during the apartheid years.

Their sentences were commuted to life in 1994 and last month, after a Constitutional Court case, they were deemed to be eligible to be considered for parole.

However, there was confusion over whether Minister of Correctional Services Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula had sole prerogative to decide on who would be released.

Now the department has been slammed for denying information to victims’ families about who would be granted parole and when.

DA spokesman James Selfe criticised the apparent haste with which Mapisa-Nqakula seemed to be “steamrolling” the process of reviewing parole for the offenders.

He questioned why there had been no attempt to contact victims or their families.

A press and radio advert this month called for “victim participation in the parole consideration of offenders, especially those sentenced to life before March 1, 1994”.

But the department this week conceded that the names of some offenders might be missing from the list, and could still be added.

Selfe questioned whether the cut-off date for submissions by victims, May 15, was not “impossibly tight”. He said because adverts were placed so recently he had “grave doubts” that victims of the applicants would learn of the minister’s plans before the cut-off date.

“I fear this is just another sham... I’d like to know what attempts the department will make, over and above placing ads that many will not see, to track down victims and hear what they have to say.”

Jeremy Gordin, director of the Wits Justice Project which investigates miscarriages of justice, described the process associated with the parole as a “complete mess” .

“The entire issue has been terribly badly handled.”

Koos van der Merwe, IFP MP, said: “The department needs to publish this widely in as many media as possible and make it easier for the public to access, including on TV.”

He said if the department failed to follow correct parole procedures the consequences would be “dire”.

One potential parolee is Thembisile Jackson Tshandu, now 58, who raped and murdered Tamsyn Garth-Davis, 9, in Knysna in 1991. The child was strangled with the straps of her school satchel.

Jo-Ann Downs, national chairman of the African Christian Democratic Party, reacted with fury to news of the parole review.

“It is absolutely outrageous,” she said. “The public has an inalienable right to know who is being released, and when. We must be given the chance to protect ourselves and our loved ones.”

Independent violence monitor Mary De Haas described the parole process as “flawed”: “It is simply iniquitous for the department to spend huge amounts of money on placing ads that most people will not read. It is absolutely chaotic. It is high time they got out there and tracked down the families of victims, so that they can be given a fair chance to respond to the proposal of parole.”

The Tribune located the families of two murder victims in Durban area without much difficulty. The families of Sonya Austin, 40, stabbed to death by the so-called “Phoenix Five” in her Morningside home in 1987, and Omar Azmuth, 54, who was shot at his garage in Reservoir Hills during a robbery in 1989, were stunned to learn the killers could be up for parole.

Advisor to the minister Mike Ramagoma yesterday confirmed that no attempts had been made to contact victims’ families directly.

“Information relating to victims of crime is not kept by our department,” he said.

“That resides with the police and the legal system. However, we attempted to list all those being considered for parole, to give the public a chance to make representation, whether they are victims or other interested parties.

“We are trying very hard to ensure that all the relevant parole boards consider the applications speedily, and we hope to meet our original deadline of May 15 to complete the current applications. When those are finalised we will look at a new batch.”

Ramagoma said “around 285” of the 385 applications still needed to be processed. “It is an interdepartmental process that will not be shared with the media,” he said. “We will release the figures on request, but no other information.”

Department spokesman Sonwabo Mbananga said that the minister had so far reviewed 88 of the 385 applications.

He said the first group to have their parole approved had already been processed and met all requirements for consideration.

He refused to reveal the names of those who had already been found eligible for parole, or the nature of their crimes.

“We originally announced that 95 would be considered in the first batch, but it was determined that seven did not qualify as having been sentenced prior to March 1, 1994. Accordingly, only 88 applications were considered. Of these 43 were declined, 21 were granted full parole and a further 24 have been granted day parole to go out into the community to seek work and bond with relatives, and return to prison to sleep at night.”

Of the 385 parole applications, 66 are from KwaZulu-Natal, 59 are from the Eastern Cape, 41 from the Western Cape, 72 from the Free State, 106 from Gauteng, and 41 from Limpopo and Mpumalanga.

Mbananga said released prisoners would be monitored for three years, and not for the rest of their lives, as has usually been the case.- Sunday Tribune

unstable load
25th Apr 2011, 15:44
Cases on record of released offenders getting up to their old tricks of murder and rape within days of their release.
Please say it's not true....:ugh::ugh:

why does that smilie make me feel so good?

25th Apr 2011, 19:53
I've been watching "Juju" on the idiot box in court these last days.... My opinion? He'll come out smelling of roses. He ain't stupid.

I do think certain others don't even know how to spell "stupid".

Having watching some of the back and forth between the lawyers... AfriForum is going to regret the entire affair.

And it will cost the DA votes.

And that makes the ANC happy as pigs in shit.

Sad. But true.

Solid Rust Twotter
1st May 2011, 13:12
Stuffing the police force with ANC cadres isn't helping the situation.

Kempton Park cop 'refused to call ambulance'
2011-04-28 07:53

Johannesburg - A car guard who said he witnessed the shooting of an unarmed civilian outside the Kempton Park police station, east of Johannesburg, has told The Star newspaper that the policeman refused to call an ambulance.

Sipho Baloyi, who had helped Jeanette Odendaal, 45, to park her car when she crashed into a stationary police vehicle, said the sergeant shot her from short distance after Baloyi alerted the police to the accident in the parking lot.

"A sergeant came around from the charge office and walked out of the station. He didn't say anything, but walked to her passenger window. He shot her upper arm and it looked like the bullet went through her breast and out of her chest," said Baloyi.

The police officer then walked back into the police station, but returned a few seconds later.

He said he pleaded with the sergeant to call emergency services.

But, said Baloyi, the sergeant told him: "She's dying already, there's no point in calling the ambulance."

He said other police officers flooded the scene after the shooting and demanded to know from the sergeant why he had shot her. The sergeant then allegedly burst into tears.

Beeld newspaper reported that Odendaal, who lived in Aston Manor, a few kilometres from the police station, had wanted to report a case of disturbance of peace.

The Star said her family would travel from Middelburg in Mpumalanga on Thursday to identify her body.

The Independent Complaints Directorate (ICD) said on Wednesday that the sergeant had been arrested and would appear in court soon.

It was believed that he mistook the noise of the crash for gun shots.


Cele: Cops brutality reports isolated cases
2011-04-28 09:21

Johannesburg - National police chief General Bheki Cele's office insisted on Thursday that recent reports of police brutality were isolated incidents.

"It will be important for us to treat those as isolated incidents instead of bringing them into one issue and cloud the matter around the issue of police brutality," his spokesperson, Major General Nonkululeko Mbatha, told SABC radio news.

"We cannot obviously deny the fact that in some instances our members can act beyond what is expected which is why... the ICD [Independent Complaints Directorate] will take the process forward.

"In all these examples there are investigations underway," she added.

She was responding to thousands of reports of police assaulting or killing unarmed civilians.

The most recent was this week's shooting death of Jeanette Odendaal, 45, outside the Kempton Park police station.

Cop refuses to call for ambulance

A car guard who said he witnessed the shooting by a sergeant told The Star newspaper in a report published on Thursday that the policeman refused to call an ambulance.

Sipho Baloyi, who had helped Odendaal to park her car when she crashed into a stationary police vehicle, said the sergeant shot her from a short distance after Baloyi alerted the police to the accident in the parking lot.

"A sergeant came around from the charge office and walked out of the station. He didn't say anything, but walked to her passenger window. He shot her upper arm and it looked like the bullet went through her breast and out of her chest," said Baloyi.

The police officer then walked back into the police station, but returned a few seconds later.
He said he pleaded with the sergeant to call emergency services.

But, said Baloyi, the sergeant told him: "She's dying already, there's no point in calling the ambulance."

Cop burst into tears

He said other police officers flooded the scene after the shooting and demanded to know from the sergeant why he had shot her. The sergeant then allegedly burst into tears.

Beeld newspaper reported that Odendaal, who lived in Aston Manor, a few kilometres from the police station, had wanted to report a case of disturbance of peace.

The Star said her family would travel from Middelburg in Mpumalanga on Thursday to identify her body.

The Independent Complaints Directorate (ICD) said on Wednesday that the sergeant had been arrested and would appear in court soon.

It was believed that he mistook the noise of the crash for gun shots.

Tatane 8 in court

On Tuesday, eight policemen appeared in court in the Free State after allegedly killing unarmed civilian Andries Tatane, who was beaten and shot during a protest in Ficksburg on April 13.

Cele on Tuesday said the country's 8 500 crowd control police officers would get a refresher course in handling protests.

A video of Tatane's death was broadcast on national television.

ICD spokesperson Moses Dlamini earlier said two similar police brutality cases had been before two KwaZulu-Natal courts on Tuesday.

One was in Greytown, where five policemen allegedly strangled a person in custody while the other case, in Hammersdale, involved 15 policemen who alleged beat a suspect who later died.

Western Cape media also reported this week that an unarmed Cape Town club owner had been beaten up by several police officers while he was in handcuffs.

Killer cop case docket not at court
2011-04-29 12:08

Johannesburg - There was confusion at the Kempton Park Magistrate's Court, east of Johannesburg, on Friday morning ahead of the expected appearance of a police sergeant accused of gunning down a woman outside the local police station.

Prosecutors told journalists that the docket had not arrived at court.

Members of the media, relatives of the victim, Jeanette Odendaal, 45, and police officers, who were at court to show support for their colleague, could not find the case on the court roll.

Independent Complaints Directorate spokesperson Moses Dlamini was not at court because he was attending the case in Ficksburg in the Free State involving eight policemen who allegedly killed protester Andries Tatane earlier this month.

Journalists in Kempton Park were sent from the regional to the magistrate's court, in attempts to try to trace the case.

The 38-year-old sergeant allegedly shot dead Odendaal after she reportedly crashed into a stationary police vehicle in a parking area outside the station on Tuesday evening.

Her parents arrived in Kempton Park from Middelburg in Mpumalanga on Thursday and were met by police commissioner General Bheki Cele to identify their daughter's body.


Killer cop case postponed
2011-04-29 16:24

Johannesburg - The case against a police sergeant accused of shooting dead a woman outside a police station was postponed in the Kempton Park Regional Court on Friday.

After three hours of confusion, Manape Phineas Kgoale, 38, appeared briefly in Regional Court 2 and had his case postponed to May 4 for a bail application.

He faced a charge of murder but more charges could be added.

The court heard he might be charged with a schedule 5 or 6 offence, depending on whether he had previous convictions.

Kgoale allegedly shot dead Jeanette Odendaal, 45, after she reportedly crashed into a stationary police vehicle in a parking area outside the station on Tuesday evening.

Up until a few minutes before Kgoale appeared, court officials had sent reporters on a wild goose chase looking for him around the courthouse.

Relatives of Odendaal and police officers were at court to show support for their colleague. Kgoale's family refused to comment.

Odendaal's parents arrived in Kempton Park from Middelburg in Mpumalanga on Thursday and were met by police commissioner General Bheki Cele to identify their daughter's body.

Independent Complaints Directorate spokesperson Moses Dlamini was not at court because he was attending the case in Ficksburg in the Free State involving eight policemen who allegedly killed protester Andries Tatane earlier this month.


Words fail me....

Solid Rust Twotter
1st May 2011, 13:14
And the murders of farmers continue....

Farmer killed, dragged behind bakkie
2011-05-01 14:38

Johannesburg - A farmer was murdered and his corpse dragged behind his bakkie outside Ottosdal on Saturday night, North West police said.

"At about 20:00 three suspects entered a 49-year-old farmer's house... They held him at gunpoint while they ransacked the house for money," Brigadier Thulani Ngubane said on Sunday.

"They shot him in the chest, the back, and in the head, then used (the farmer's) bakkie to drag him for about 1.2km before the bakkie rolled."

The farmer's body was still tied to the vehicle when police arrived on the scene.

One of the alleged murderers was arrested at the scene and led police to his two accomplices.

Ngubane said although the brutality of the attack might suggest an "ulterior motive", possibly related to "previous issues with the farmer", he could not confirm whether the suspects were known to the farmer, who lived alone.

"This will all form part of the investigation and it is too early to speculate at the moment."


1st May 2011, 13:30
I was hoping I'd wake up and find that this Jeanette Odendaal story was a nightmare I was having, but sadly, I know it's true, and a sign of what happens when power is handed over to uneducated savages without giving them the oportunity beforehand to become civilised.

Affirmative employment = racism.

Can someone please tell me what's changed since 1994 apart from the fact that racism is now worse, but practised in the opposite direction, and that 90% of South Africans are worse off in every way.

Cry, the Beloved Country.

1st May 2011, 13:36
On a lighter note :

Some vandals have made good use of their loot during service delivery protests.

The N5 hut is actually a toilet.


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7593647/Zuma.jpg Looks like it ......

1st May 2011, 13:37
The Heart of Darkness.


Solid Rust Twotter
3rd May 2011, 15:37
Political doublespeak while the real crisis is ignored.

Departing farmers not a threat: minister
May 03 2011 15:43 Sapa

Cape Town - The departure of South African commercial farmers to other African countries is not a threat to local food security, Agriculture Minister Tina Joemat-Pettersson said on Tuesday.

"This will not be a threat to food security in South Africa; instead, this will enhance food security in the continent," she told journalists in Cape Town, at the end of a one-day International Fund for Agricultural Development (IFAD) conference.

Asked whether she thought land reform posed a threat to food security, given reports that commercial farmers were leaving the country in large numbers, Joemat-Pettersson said such farmers should use South Africa as a base.

"We are not advocating the movement of farmers lock stock and barrel from South Africa... We want to encourage our farmers to maintain their base in South Africa... and then expand their business from here.

"In one aspect, we're encouraging them to set up... in other countries as a means of expanding their businesses.

"South Africa has skills it can share with other South Africans and with the rest of the continent," she said.

Last month, AgriSA reported that of the 120 000 commercial farmers in South Africa in 1994, only 37 000 remained.

AgriSA vice president Theo de Jager said at the time that South Africa was now starting to import grains such as wheat. It was also on the brink of importing meat and poultry, which was being produced less and less in the country.

Reasons for farmers leaving - to neighbouring states such as Malawi and the Democratic Republic of Congo, among others - included new laws, unionisation and the threat of land reform.

Speaking at the start of the IFAD conference, Joemat-Pettersson said Sub-Saharan Africa had the highest incidence of rural poverty in the world, but there was a growing belief it could produce enough food to not only feed its citizens, but also export a surplus.

IFAD is a specialised agency of the UN. It was established as an international financial institution in 1977, with the aim of eradicating rural poverty in developing countries.

Among those who attended the one day conference - which looked at agriculture as a means of advancing economic growth on the continent, as well increasing world food security - are agricultural ministers from several African countries.

Joemat-Pettersson said African countries had been channelling more resources into agriculture, looking to increase such investments to ten percent of their national budget.

"There is growing belief that Africa could produce enough to not only feed its own citizens, but to export a growing surplus.

"Africa can make a real contribution to ensuring food security to the world while also growing its own economy and pulling its citizens out of poverty."

Earlier she highlighted what she called "bleak" regional statistics.

These included that in sub Saharan Africa more than three quarters of the poor - those living on less that US$1.25 a day - lived in rural areas.

"Sub Saharan Africa, with the highest incidences of rural poverty, is the region worst affected by poverty and hunger," she said.


And the reason....

From The Sunday Times

March 28, 2010

White farmers 'being wiped out'

Over 3,000 have been killed since 1994. Now the ANC is accused of fanning the hate.

Dan McDougall in Ceres, Western Cape

THE gunmen walked silently through the orchard. Skirting a row of burnt-out tyres, set ablaze months earlier to keep the budding fruit from freezing, they drew their old .38 revolvers.

Inside his farmhouse Pieter Cillier, 57, slept with his 14-year-old daughter Nikki at his side. His 12-year-old son JD was having a sleepover with two teenagers in an adjoining room.

As the intruders broke in, the farmer woke. He rushed to stop them, only to be shot twice in the chest.

In his death throes he would have seen his killers and then his children standing over him, screaming and crying.

The attackers, who were drug addicts, simply disappeared into the night. Cillier’s murder, at Christmas, was barely reported in the local press. It was, after all, everyday news.

Death has stalked South Africa’s white farmers for years. The number murdered since the end of apartheid in 1994 has passed 3,000.

In neighbouring Zimbabwe, a campaign of intimidation that began in 2000 has driven more than 4,000 commercial farmers off their land, but has left fewer than two dozen dead.

The vulnerability felt by South Africa’s 40,000 remaining white farmers intensified earlier this month when Julius Malema, head of the African National Congress’s (ANC’s) youth league, opened a public rally by singing Dubula Ibhunu, or Shoot the Boer, an apartheid-era anthem, that was banned by the high court last week.

Malema’s timing could hardly have been worse. Last weekend in the remote farming community of Colenso, in KwaZulu-Natal, Nigel Ralfe, 71, a dairy farmer, and his wife Lynette, 64, were gunned down as they milked their cows. He was critically injured; she died.

That same day a 46-year-old Afrikaner was shot through his bedroom window as he slept at his farm near Potchefstroom. A few days later a 61-year-old was stabbed to death in his bed at a farm in Limpopo.

The resurrection of Dubula Ibhunu, defended by senior ANC officials as little more then a sentimental old struggle song, has been greeted with alarm by Tom Stokes, of the opposition Democratic Alliance. He said the ANC’s continued association with the call to kill Boers could not be justified.

“Any argument by the ANC that this song is merely a preservation of struggle literature rings hollow in the face of farming families who have lost wives, mothers and grandmothers,” he added.

He was supported by Anton Alberts of the conservative Freedom Front Plus party: “Malema’s comments are creating an atmosphere that is conducive to those who want to commit murder. He’s an accessory to the wiping out of farmers in South Africa.”

Rossouw Cillier, Pieter’s brother, bristled as he pointed to the bullet holes in the panelled kitchen of the farmhouse near Ceres in the Western Cape. “They shot him through the fridge from the back door — the bullets came straight through here, into his heart. He never had a chance,” he said.

A successful apple and pear grower, he believes his community is living on borrowed time: “More white farmers have been killed than British soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq. Yes, we are at war here.”

His brother’s farmhouse is now shuttered and empty. “I can’t spend time here. We’ll have to sell. This farm has been in our family for generations but it must go. Who’ll manage it? The children will never come back here. They held their own father as he died in front of them. Will they ever get over that?”

As we walked across the orchard, fruit destined for the shelves of Tesco and Sainsbury’s in the UK was still being picked. A tractor passed a 10ft cross erected in honour of the murdered farmer.

“It lights up at night,” Rossouw said. “My brother was a religious man. It’s all that’s left of him here.”

Across South Africa many farmers feel endangered. In Northern Province a tribute has been created beneath an enormous sign with the stark Afrikaans word “plaasmoorde” — farm killings. Thousands of white wooden crosses have been planted across a mountainside, one for each fallen farmer.

Recently the government’s department of rural development has been airing proposals to nationalise productive farmland as a “national asset”. Critics claim it is designed to deflect criticism from the ruling ANC’s failures.

“It’s a lot easier talking about nationalising farms than building decent houses, making clean water come out of taps or honouring promises to redistribute farm plots to millions of landless poor,” said a spokesman for AgriSA, the farmers’ union.

On the outskirts of Ceres there are few groceries in the township store — tins of pilchards, baked beans, some dried biscuits. A group of teenage boys sit on the burnt-out remains of a Ford Escort. This is where Cillier’s killers gathered, in a shebeen, a drinking club, where they fortified themselves with cheap hooch before they set off to rob him. They escaped with nothing.

According to Rossouw Cillier the most telling detail is that his brother was unarmed when they attacked. “If we brandish a weapon, we’ll go to prison, not them. What did they gain from this murder? It was an act as pointless as their lives.”


Sou...-a - Google Search (http://www.google.co.za/search?q=Sou...-a&safe=active)

South African farm attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_farm_attacks)

4th May 2011, 21:12

Solid Rust Twotter
5th May 2011, 16:14
Where's the facepalm emoticon?

You couldn't make this stuff up...:hmm:

Cwele guilty of drug trafficking
May 5 2011 at 03:39pm

Sheryl Cwele, wife of State Security Minister Siyabonge Cwele, has been found guilty of drug trafficking by the Pietermaritzburg High Court. Photo: Sapa

Sheryl Cwele, wife of State Security Minister Siyabonge Cwele, has been found guilty of drug trafficking by the Pietermaritzburg High Court.

Cwele listened attentively as a Pietermaritzburg High Court judge began delivering judgment in her drug trafficking case on Thursday.

Judge Piet Koen started delivering his verdict just before 11am by summing up evidence presented during the trial. He earlier ruled against the State's application to have its case against Cwele and her co-accused Frank Nabolisa reopened, to allow new witnesses to take the stand.

Koen said no satisfactory reasons were given as to why these witnesses were not called during the trial.

Cwele and Nabolisa have pleaded not guilty to dealing or conspiring to deal in drugs, procuring Charmaine Moss to collect drugs in Turkey, and procuring Tessa Beetge to smuggle cocaine from South America.

Beetge was arrested when 10kg of cocaine was found in her luggage in Brazil in 2008. She is serving a jail sentence in Sao Paolo. Moss turned State witness.

In papers opposing the State's application to reopen its case, Cwele says she had spent a fortune on legal fees. Her employer, the Hibiscus Coast Municipality, was also not paying her for taking leave to attend court proceedings.

"That means that each time I attend the court proceedings I have to pay for my legal team and lose income. I have lost a fortune as a result of my attendance," she says, submitting that reopening the case would make the situation worse.

She describes the case as a high-profile matter which had attracted much media attention, and had found some of the reports hurtful to her and her family. -


Solid Rust Twotter
6th May 2011, 12:49
...And it just gets better and better with the help of the intellectual giants in the ANC.

Julius Malema says the ANC Youth League (ANCYL) will ensure that the government begins expropriating land without compensation to redistribute it speedily to the masses.

Speaking at a National Press Club briefing in Pretoria yesterday, Malema said the “willing buyer, willing seller” policy was clearly not working and had to be scrapped, adding that it was obvious the target of having expropriated 30 percent of land by 2014 would not be reached.

The ANCYL president was speaking before the youth league’s 24th national congress, scheduled for later month, at which the league is expected to adopt its programme of action for economic freedom. He said those who thought expropriation without compensation would not happen should remember that it was the then-ANCYL that forced the ANC to take up the armed struggle, despite the ANC initially being against it.

“At the rate we are going now, it means we will only be able to expropriate 5 percent of land every 20 years, meaning it will take us 100 years to expropriate 20 percent. We will not be part of that failure.”

Malema said the new approach was also informed by the fact that “when the colonisers and those who have the land took it away from us, they did not compensate, so why should they demand?”

“Another reason for this is because government does not have enough money to buy all the land. We run the risk of failing to deliver on the other services, which include free education, health care and other social responsibilities.

“What we are saying is that we must share the land equally. If you have 1 000ha, you must give us 800 so you remain with 200, and we can share the 800 among the people. This must happen within the constitutional framework because we respect the law.” Malema said the policy on expropriation could be changed easily by amending Section 25 of the constitution as the ANC commanded a majority in Parliament.

6th May 2011, 21:54
... and better ...... and better .....

Sheryl Cwele, the wife of South Africa's intelligence minister, has been sentenced to 12 years in jail for drug trafficking.

Cwele, married to Siyabonga Cwele, was convicted of recruiting women to smuggle drugs into the country.

Her accomplice, Nigerian national Frank Nabolisa, received the same sentence.

"Either the minister knew about his wife's operation to distribute hard drugs and benefited from it, or he did not know about it, casting aspersions on his competency for the role of minister of state security”

There are two ways of looking at this story. One is to suggest that it indicates that the illicit drugs industry has penetrated the highest echelons of South African society.

But how many countries in the rest of Africa - or further abroad - would allow the relative of a minister of intelligence to be jailed?

Nor is it the first time such well-connected individuals have fallen foul of the law. Former police chief Jackie Selebi was found guilty of corruption last year. And the ruling African National Congress managed to remove Thabo Mbeki as head of state after the party lost confidence in his ability to lead the country.

None of these were easy to accomplish, but they were done within the law and without a mutiny in the security forces.

Opposition parties have called for Mr Cwele to step down, arguing that if he is not aware of his wife's illegal activities, he should no longer be in charge of the country's intelligence-gathering.

"Either the minister knew about his wife's operation to distribute hard drugs and benefited from it," opposition Congress of the People spokesman Phillip Dexter said in a statement posted on the Polity.org.za politics portal.

"Or he did not know about it, casting aspersions on his competency for the role of minister of state security.

"Either way, this entire episode is an embarrassing blow to the reputation of South Africa and its government," he said.

Mr Cwele says he will not comment on the case until after the appeal has been heard.

Solid Rust Twotter
7th May 2011, 07:25
Recreational pharmaceuticals strong enough to allow one to make this stuff up would be one-time use only. A second dose would kill you for sure....:}

The most distrubing thing is that there are people (a majority) who see nothing wrong in this, and will vote to keep these clowns in positions where they can continue to wreak devastation on the country.

7th May 2011, 13:47

Pennies? Peanuts? Who knows .....?

8th May 2011, 17:38
An excellent and sadly correct summary of South Africa's current situation after 'democracy'. It was written by a 'previously disadvantaged' person, probably a black although it could be an Indian name - I don't know.

SA, we cannot say we are free
AYANDA KOTA: POVERTY - May 06 2011 00:00

On April 27 1994 the people of this country stood in long queues for many hours, waiting to cast their vote for the first time. In some parts of the country the weather was hostile, freezing cold, while in other parts it was scorching hot.

Our people were voting for the first time, voting for an end to racism and for democracy and a better life -- for jobs, free education and decent housing. Over and above their vote for their material needs to be met, they were voting for their freedom. Or so they were made to believe.

The rays of that sunrise were breaking through the dark storm clouds. The first beams of the new sun were making their way through the clouds into the new blue sky. After centuries of oppression, hope was rekindled; a new nation, a rainbow nation, was born. Or so we were made to believe.

I remember watching the proceedings on television. I saw Archbishop Desmond Tutu casting his vote. The great man jumped for joy and said: "Free at last! Free at last!" Freedom is the ability of the people not to be oppressed and to be able to determine their own future collectively and by their own wills. Freedom is the realisation of the will of the people. When there is freedom, the government is for the people and by the people, because the people govern themselves. Freedom is the ability of the people to determine their own destiny. Freedom is self-government.

When there is freedom the people do not have to beg the government to recognise them as important. When there is freedom, people are free from hunger, poverty, disease, homelessness and the inability to meet basic needs. Justice, peace, dignity and access to the country's wealth are central to freedom.

Freedom means that people must come first. It means people before profit. It means people before the big transnational corporations. It means that the people's sovereignty and rights have been restored.

Freedom does not mean that the people vote for a few politicians to take their friends and relatives and join the old white capitalists as they feast off the devastation of the people behind high walls. Freedom does not mean police officers who shoot and kill us. Freedom does not mean that our so-called leaders become managers of capital, running the country and disciplining the people on behalf of capital.

Freedom does not mean that politicians become little gods. Freedom is not the rule of experts in civil society. Freedom is not the rule of the police. In a free country it is the voice of the citizens that matters the most. If South Africa were free, the voice of every South African and of every community would matter equally. Until everyone's voice counts equally, we cannot say that we are free.

Against the nightmare
After 17 years of democracy, our townships are broken. All you see are drunk men and women walking aimlessly like zombies, their bloodstreams flowing with cheap alcohol. This is how we drug ourselves against the nightmare of a democracy that is really neo-apartheid and not post-apartheid. This is how we drug ourselves against a society that has no respect for us, no place for us and no future for us.

In the Eastern Cape they drink umtshovalale. In KwaZulu-Natal they drink isiqatha. In Gauteng they drink gavani. In the Western Cape they drink spirits. This alcohol has a hazardous effect. My people, young and old, have been silently taken to their graves because of the effects of alcohol. We are poisoning ourselves to drug ourselves against the horror of our lives. Throughout South Africa, young people smoke antiretroviral drugs. It is a well-known thing. We live below the poverty line and we have completely lost hope.

South Africa is the most unequal country in the world. The gap between the rich and the poor is vast -- and it is growing. The unemployment rate is high, above 40%. Poverty rates are skyrocketing. In a place such as Alice in the Eastern Cape, residents drink unsafe water. At times there is no water at all. In Grahamstown we continue to use the bucket system to shit.

All around South Africa there are crumbling RDP houses and municipalities are falling under the strain of corruption, while Jacob Zuma's family -- his wives, children and relatives -- are becoming billionaires. Sicelo Shiceka spent R640 000 in one year on rooms for himself and his staff at the One&Only hotel in Cape Town, flew to Switzerland first-class to visit an ex-girlfriend in jail and hired a limousine to drive him to the prison.

What kind of politician lives like this while the people are suffering as we are? What kind of politician lives like this while South Africa has become "the protest capital of the world", with one of the highest rates of public protest in the world?

Shiceka is a predator and not a liberator. He is not the only one. In 2010 Eskom announced its decision to increase electricity tariffs by 35%, assaulting the unemployed and the poor while the ANC company, Chancellor House, rips the profit from the shaking hands of the people. Very soon the coffers of this country will run dry and we will be asked to give even more to the ANC, to Chancellor House and the Zuma family. The way they are looting our resources is beyond imagination. The way that they have privatised the struggle of the people is incredible.

We are a bleeding nation. All the power that belongs to us has been centralised in the control of the ruling elite. We are not consulted on the model of the RDP house that must be built. They decide for us. The Integrated Development Plan (IDP) meetings are a platform to manage us. There is no veracity. They choose those who must represent us in local chambers and then parade them as our leaders. When we ask to speak to these leaders, they call the police. We have no power. We have no voice. We have no freedom to celebrate. We live in a radically unjust society. We are oppressed.

The ANC tries to control the people with its police, social grants and rallies with celebrities and musicians. The ANC tries to drug us against their betrayal by keeping us drunk on memories of the struggle -- the same struggle that they have betrayed. But everywhere the ANC is losing control. Protest is spreading everywhere. Everywhere people are boycotting elections and running independent candidates. Everywhere people are organising themselves into their own autonomous groups and movements.

As Mostafa Omara wrote about the Egyptian revolution: "People in Egypt will tell you: 'Gone are the days when we felt helpless and little; gone are the days when the police could humiliate us and torture us; gone are the times when the rich and the businessmen thought they could run the country as if it were their own private company.'"

In South Africa we long for the same feeling. But revolutions do not spring from nothing. Revolutions come through the united action of men and women, rural and urban -- action that springs from their needs. Revolutions happen when ordinary men and women begin to take action to seize control of their own lives.

The rebellion of the poor in this country is growing. More and more organisations are emerging. More and more people have become radicalised. More and more communities have lost their illusions after experiencing the violence of the predator state. More and more people are starting and joining discussions about the way forward for the struggle to take the country back.

We need to move forward with more determination, working all the time to build and to unite our struggles. As we connect our struggles, from Ficksburg to Grahamstown, from Cape Town to Johannesburg and Durban, we are, slowly but steadily, building a new mass movement. We are building a network of struggles in living solidarity with one another.

Ayanda Kota is the chair of the Unemployed People's Movement in Grahamstown

Source: Mail & Guardian Online
Web Address: SA, we cannot say we are free - In The Paper - Mail & Guardian Online (http://mg.co.za/article/2011-05-06-sa-we-cannot-say-are-free)

8th May 2011, 19:48
That post goes towards confirming my long-held suspicion that the main difference between SA and Zimbabwe is the name of the country.

9th May 2011, 19:49
All those mo f:mad:s who lobbied for sanctions against SA in the 80/90's should be forced to read this thread .

And then be forced to live amongst the " oppressed " people they " liberated ":E

( Ex Kiwi who supported the old SA , even when they kicked NZ's ass in rugby ! )

9th May 2011, 22:16
( Ex Kiwi who supported the old SA , even when they kicked NZ's ass in rugby ! )

I'm going to have to save this for posterity.... (for the rugger comment) :ok:

9th May 2011, 22:47
Hey Bird

Apart from being a good guy! Struck me you are an American South African.

I am on way back to our farm.. North of Beaufort West.

Damn it man


10th May 2011, 02:56
Wish I could get home for a vaca soon.

I tease my mates here I am African-American.

I should try tick that box on a form someday just to see them try challenge me :)

*Still flying the Y-Fronts proudly.

* typing this as I sit eating biltong

Solid Rust Twotter
10th May 2011, 08:29
Mr Dog

The Y-fronts are not too embarrassing but being seen in the hoppenfloppenuppendownenflogyourlogulator must be gnawing holes in your soul.:}

How are the opposable thumbs working out for you? Better than having to remove your shoes and socks to peel bananas with your feet, I'm sure.....:E

10th May 2011, 08:45
All you whiteys are thieves! So says a very clever man. (FFS stop throwing worst at me, i was kidding.) Loved working out of FALA, but it broke my heart to see it going the same way as north of the Limpopo.

South Africa youth leader says 'criminal' whites stole land from blacks
Julius Malema, South Africa's controversial youth leader, has said that white people who own land in the country should be treated like 'criminals' because they stole it from black people.

By Aislinn Laing, Johannesburg 10:07PM BST 09 May 2011
Mr Malema said that the government's attempts to return land to black South Africans through negotiations with white farmers had failed, and called for Zimbabwe-style land seizures.
"We have to take the land without payment, because the whites took our land without paying and transformed them into game farms. The system of willing seller, willing buyer has failed," he told a rally ahead of local elections.
"We all agree they stole the land. They are criminals, they should be treated like that."
His comments will generate concern among South Africa's white farmers ahead of May 18 elections in which the ANC is expected to lose ground.
Mr Malema, 30, is already facing a race hate trial for singing the protest song Shoot the Boer.

Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe said: "It can't be correct to generalise like that. It is not scientific or healing," Mr Motlanthe said.
Theo de Jager, of AGRI SA which represents South Africa's commercial farmers, said Mr Malema made no distinction between white settlers who came to South Africa 360 years ago and individual farmers today.
"If they say land has been stolen, they must show us a farmer who has not paid for his land," he said.
"The worst thing that could happen for current landowners is that the governing party do so badly at the polls that they need to do irresponsible things to establish themselves."
Professor Pieter Le Roux, Director of the Institute for Social Development at the University of the Western Cape, said Mr Malema would never have been given a platform by Nelson Mandela or Thabo Mbeki but is now a useful tool for the ANC to mobilise the radical youth.
"It's for short-term political gain but does create long-term political concerns," he said. :ugh::ugh::ugh:

Solid Rust Twotter
10th May 2011, 09:09
More of the same. The second last paragraph where our Dear Leader is quoted is even more risible. Clowns....:rolleyes:

White people are criminals - Malema

May 9 2011 at 02:09pm

Deon de Lange

Political Bureau

White people should be treated as “criminals” for “stealing” land from black people, ANC Youth League president Julius Malema told an enthusiastic crowd in Kimberley yesterday where he appeared on the same platform as President Jacob Zuma.

Malema was the main attraction as he pulled out all the stops in his campaign for local elections, now just days away.

“They (whites) have turned our land into game farms… The willing-buyer, willing-seller (system) has failed,” Malema said.

“We must take the land without paying. They took our land without paying. Once we agree they stole our land, we can agree they are criminals and must be treated as such,” he said to cheers from a crowd of about 3 000 people at the Galeshewe stadium, just outside Kimberley.

Although Zuma was billed as the main speaker, it was Malema – affectionately known as “Juju-baby” in these parts – who stole the show.

As service delivery protests continue across the country, Malema chastised the “spoilt brats” who complained that the ANC had not delivered basic services.

He said protesters were “burning tyres in townships on a tar road delivered to them by the ANC”.

The youth leader also said he had seen people interviewed on television who said they were not going to vote in the coming election.

“But this person is watering his garden and behind him stands an RDP house – and then he says he doesn’t see delivery. We must never entertain such spoilt brats,” he said to more cheers.

Malema also criticised corrupt practices by councillors, such as selling on RDP houses or giving preference to family and friends on housing lists. This went down well with the crowd, which got to its feet and roared with approval when he said: “You shouldn’t have to sleep with a councillor to get an RDP house.”

Malema pushed his nationalisation agenda, saying the government could not afford to create jobs or to build a university in the Northern Cape – a 2009 campaign promise made by Zuma – because “there is no money”.

“Where is the money? It is in the hands of the Oppenheimers, who mine diamonds right here in Kimberley and leave nothing behind.

“One family has benefited for generation after generation, but there is nothing looking like a diamond here in Galeshewe,” he said to enthusiastic applause.

“Political freedom without economic power means nothing. You can vote until you turn yellow, but without economic freedom it means nothing,” he added, saying the youth league was not “requesting permission” to nationalise the country’s natural assets.

In its recently released economic policy discussion document, the league makes it clear that land, minerals and other key assets should be nationalised, without compensation to current title holders.

The issue will be debated at the ANC’s policy conference next year after the league succeeded on getting it on to the party’s agenda at its national general council in September last year.

Malema said his calls for nationalisation were “nothing new” as the Freedom Charter spelt out the same goals. Former president Nelson Mandela himself had urged the party to strive for economic emancipation once political freedom was attained, according to Malema.

He went on to dish out his customary insults to opposition parties, calling DA leader Helen Zille a “dancing monkey” from “monkey town”.

“You allow the madam to kiss your children when you know the madam does not care about your children. They kill our people when they confuse them with baboons. The madam will never be president,” he said.

Cope, the PAC and the IFP received similar treatment.

Referring to Cope’s leadership squabbles, Malema joked, “You can’t form a political party when you are angry because the day you smile that party will die – you must then be angry forever.”

The PAC was a spent force and the IFP was never a political party, but was formed as a “cultural organisation”, he said.

Malema also came to the defence of Northern Cape ANC provincial chairman John Block, who is facing corruption charges. Block has been implicated in a multi-million rand tender scandal related to the provision of medical oxygen and water purification plants.

People were out to “destroy” Block because he was the face of the ANC in the province, but such attacks were in fact attacks on the “integrity” of the ANC, Malema said.

Malema’s wooing of the crowd quickly dissipated when Zuma took to the stage, however. People listened intently to what he had to say.

The president urged people not to “waste” their votes on opposition parties and criticised those who planned not to vote as having fallen victim to “effective propaganda”.

“If you love yourself and you love your vote, why do you vote for a party that you know is going to lose anyway? What is the logic – to vote to lose?” he asked.

Zuma said the ANC was different to other parties, saying it was a “movement of the people” first, and a political party second.

10th May 2011, 10:53
The saddest thing about this is that as the country comes ever closer to a one party state, we all know what will happen.

In any other country, Malema would be treated as a clown, but sadly amongst the unsophisticated masses in SA he is regarded as a hero and the voice of the oppressed. Should he ever come to power - he won't - he would make Mugape look like the village priest.

10th May 2011, 12:53

I love the fact that Chancellor House (The ANC's Investment Fund) is one of the largest private equity funds in the country.

"So much for being a party for the people"

As in most conspiracies or crimes; just follow the money...

ANC is the best snow job in the people in a long time.

Perhaps if it ever comes crashing down the Marketing companies could hire them.

13th May 2011, 21:14
A teacher asked her 6th grade class how many of them were Zuma supporters.

Not really knowing what a Zuma supporters is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the kids raised their hands except for Sandile in the front row.

The teacher asked Sandile why he has decided to be different.'

Because I'm not a Zuma supporter. 'The teacher asked, 'Why aren't you a Zuma supporter?

''Because I'm a DA fan. 'The teacher asked him why he's a DA fan.

Sandile proudly answered, 'Well, my Mum's a DA supporter and my Dad's a DA supporter, so I'm a DA fan.'Annoyed by this answer, the teacher asked, 'If your mum was a moron and your dad was an idiot, what would that make you?'

With a big smile, Sandile replied, 'That would make me a Zuma fan.'

Solid Rust Twotter
15th May 2011, 18:06
More rallies today by all parties concerned. Waiting with a worm on my tongue (bated breath - spollung, yeah I know...) for more humorous quotes. Sadly, if you didn't laugh at this crap you'd cry.:rolleyes:

sled dog
15th May 2011, 18:47
Myself and Mrs S D have just returned from a wonderful holiday in S A ( 25th wedding anniversary ) and met some great people, and the lions etc at Kwandwe game reserve were awesome. Most white residents we talked to were most critical of the "government", one even saying S A was " a Zimbabwe waiting to happen". I hope not, as we intend to return. Our sympathy to you all who are having to put up with this nonsense. MOED. Just had a bottle of Leopards Leap from Franschhoek, bought at our local supermarket !

Metro man
16th May 2011, 00:07
Lovely place to visit with some wonderful things to see and do, but you MUST do your research on what and where to avoid, and the precautions you need to take to stay safe.

If you've got a bit of money for your retirement, it will go a lot further in South Africa than in Europe. Some lovely spots to settle in if you can find a gated community with good security. High quality medical care if you can pay for it.

Where things fall down is if you're an average income white family with young children. Then a declining public health and education system, and concerns over future job prospects become paramount. Security would also be a major issue living in the suburbs or on a farm.

16th May 2011, 07:25
Most blacks are critical of the government too, it's not just the whites who are now worse off than before.

As far as visiting SA is concerned, it's still as some have said, a wonderful country and most of the places tourists are likely to go to (and that does not include black townships at 2200 on a Saturday night, 'a la Dewani') are safe because there is a lot of security. The corollary to that is that criminals may frequent those places for richer pickings, but by and large, they are safe.

I send and accompany people to SA all the time and always give the advice 'listen to the locals' and 'unless you are told a place is safe, assume it's not'.

Long term, nobody knows. The likelihood of a Zimbabwe situation which seemed so remote 10 years ago now seems less remote with people like Julius Malema on the scene. I still think it's a highly unlikely scenario but when you sit round a dinner table and discuss this, there as many views as there are people present.

People are still investing in property and business down there, both internally and externally, confidence is high, the economy is sound, the rand is overvalued against most currencies, not just the pathetic pound, the gold price is hovering around €1500/oz. The sun shines and despite everything there are places in SA where I feel safer than some parts of the UK. There isn't a lot of mindless thuggish gratuitous violence, but crime is far more violent than elswehere. There is a gradual decline in the quality of public services and utilities, they are overburdened and under resourced.

I am still convinced that the country's biggest single underlying problem is illegal immigration, with all the evils that this brings. This is something that Europe may well be facing soon, but that's another story.

16th May 2011, 15:05
Talking of Malema, this is a letter allegedly written by Steve Hofmeyr (a radio personality) to Julius Malema.

It pays Malema the supreme compliment of assuming that he can read words of more than one syllable and sentences of more than 4 words, but its value is more as an open letter to South Africans than to Malema.

It was sent to me as a PDF and I cannot save it as text (it doesn't work) nor cut it and paste it here, so here is a link to it :


Solid Rust Twotter
16th May 2011, 21:06
Haven't read the letter but Hofmeyr isn't exactly the brightest crayon in the box either. Malema is only slightly more relevant, and then only because he thrives on hate speech and whipping up the uneducated masses against a perceived enemy.

Laying the groundwork for another Zimbabwe perhaps?:(

Solid Rust Twotter
17th May 2011, 05:57
Definitely laying the groundwork for something. The regime and their followers appear quite miffed at being told to quit inciting murder.

'Shoot the boer' ruling - ANC puzzled
2011-05-16 22:40

Johannesburg - The ANC says it is "extremely disappointed and puzzled" by a High Court decision refusing it leave to appeal an earlier finding on the singing of a controversial struggle song containing the lyrics "dubula ibhunu" (shoot the boer).

It would now take the matter to a higher court.

"We are perturbed and shocked by the acting judge's decision as we believe that he appears to have misunderstood the nature of the relief which was sought by the ANC," the ruling party said in a statement on Monday.

Earlier, the South Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg ruled that the lyrics "dubula ibhunu" were prima facie incitement to murder.

In his order, Acting Judge Leon Halgryn said "... the publication and chanting of the words 'dubula ibhunu', prima facie satisfies the crime of incitement to murder".

This was an amendment to his original order that only contained the word "incitement" and formed part of a judgment that dismissed an attempt by the ANC to intervene in the matter and appeal his order.

Not over

The ANC said on Monday that it would now take the matter to a higher court.

"The African National Congress is extremely disappointed and puzzled with the ruling of the South Gauteng High court to refuse our request for leave to appeal an earlier finding by the same court relating to the singing of a freedom song (dubula ibhunu).

"The ANC had earlier approached the South Gauteng High Court to grant us leave to appeal its earlier ruling that the singing of the freedom song was unconstitutional and fitted the crime of incitement.

"We have thus instructed our lawyers to approach either the Full Bench of the South Gauteng High Court or the Supreme Court of Appeals to grant us the leave to appeal."

It remained the ANC's conviction that a different judge/court could have come to a different conclusion on the matter.

"In addition to his refusal to grant us leave to appeal his earlier finding... Acting Judge Halgryn went beyond the request before him and made a finding that the singing of the song incited the commission of murder and constituted hate speech," it said.

The judgment is separate to the ongoing Equality Court hate speech case by AfriForum against ANC Youth League (ANCYL) president Julius Malema after he sang the words several times last year.

It relates to two members of the Society for the Protection of the Constitution where one member, Mahomed Vawda, planned to use the words at an anti-crime march in Mpumalanga last year.


Mike X
18th May 2011, 23:41
Results in so far show the Cape Reviera being lead by the DA with a W I D E margin. Us Capies should break away - the last bastion of civilisation. Early days !

unstable load
19th May 2011, 05:56
Us Capies should break away - the last bastion of civilisation.

I reckon the ruling cheese will slide right off it's cracker at the thought of that..:E

19th May 2011, 07:28
According to IEC figures, the ANC had secured 30,1% of the vote in the province (WP) compared to 59,4% for the DA. This was based on 1 604 389 votes cast by 567 360 voters.

This is good news, not just for the Cape, but for the whole country, as it shows the disdain and contempt in which the ANC are held. It is though important to understand that the demographics of the Cape are different with relatively few registered legal blacks (potential ANC voters) and a lot of coloureds and whiteys who would not vote ANC. So the reason for the disparity is partly demographic as well as political.

Solid Rust Twotter
19th May 2011, 08:28
Not to worry. Didn't the ANC have plans to shuffle folks around to tilt the demographics in their favour? No doubt that'll come to fruition in time for the next round.

19th May 2011, 10:19
Pravin Gordhan is leading the charge to insist that the next head of the IMF should not be a European. It will therefore come as no surprise in a couple of years time to learn, were Gordhan to have been successful, that the IMF have temporarily run out of money but that German vehicle exports are up.

19th May 2011, 14:39
What was really interesting the this elections stats was that voter turnout was a s low as 10% in some areas.

A _lot_ of folks are pissed off with the ANC, and the DA through their track record of service delivery in the Western Cape are making strong inroads throughout the country.

The ANC has got to go, to call them a political party is a joke - it is a pyramid scheme waiting to topple over.

They even have their own private equity company, "Chancellor House"... one of the largest in the country, owning shares in Eskom and the likes.

You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried.

Solid Rust Twotter
20th May 2011, 08:20
They even have their own private equity company, "Chancellor House"... one of the largest in the country, owning shares in Eskom and the likes.

Yup. Funny how their investments are always in line for big bailouts and preferred govt treatment too. This lot make the old NP mob look like amateurs when it comes to underhand dealings. No wonder the NP slotted in so seamlessly when they joined the ANC.

Meanwhile back on the farm, Joe Average is having his kidneys pummeled the way he's getting reamed out by the regime. Still dumb enough to keep them in power though.....

22nd May 2011, 20:54
For the first time since apartheid ended, voters may give the ruling party a fright

ACROSS from Beauty’s Hair Salon (“Dark and Lovely”), the residents of Diepkloof, a neat working-class district of Soweto, a sprawling black township outside Johannesburg, queued up patiently in autumn sunshine outside Dumezweni Primary School to vote in South Africa’s third municipal poll since apartheid ended in 1994. For the first time since then, the all-powerful African National Congress (ANC) was challenged by an opposition party able to point to its own perky record in local government and contrast it with the ANC’s fairly dismal one.

As counting continued on May 19th, preliminary results were hard to gauge. The opposition Democratic Alliance (DA), led by Helen Zille, a former Cape Town mayor and now premier of the Western Cape, seemed set to improve sharply on the 15% it won in the last local polls in 2006. The ANC’s tally, though down from its previous 66%, was still expected to top 60%. Jacob Zuma’s chances of serving a second term as the country’s president would dip if it had done worse. Neither the Congress of the People (COPE), a splinter of the ANC, nor the once formidable Zulu-dominated Inkatha Freedom Party seemed sure to survive, as their share of the poll plummeted.

Ms Zille, a white former anti-apartheid campaigner and one-time journalist, fought a jovial and energetic campaign, shining a light on the DA’s efforts to bring better services to cities such as Cape Town. Her party has also begun to win more votes across the racial divide. Though its supporters are still mainly white, a third of its 60 members of parliament are now black or coloured (mixed-race), as were many of its candidates in these local polls. It recently joined up with the Independent Democrats, led by Patricia de Lille, a coloured former trade unionist. She is set to take over as mayor of Cape Town, the country’s biggest city, where for the first time the DA won a majority of the vote.

The ANC’s campaign, by contrast, was lacklustre. In control of nearly all of the country’s 284 municipal councils, it found itself on the defensive in the face of growing criticism of the party for corruption, nepotism and incompetence in local government. Though basic public services are in fact steadily improving, two-thirds of South Africans say they are unhappy with the standards in their particular community. In more than a third of municipalities, the leadership and financial management are considered so poor that the auditor-general has recommended government intervention. In one recent poll, almost one in two voters said he or she would not vote for the same party as in the 2009 general election—which generally meant the ANC.

In desperation, Mr Zuma and other ANC leaders began warning people that if they deserted the country’s liberation party, “the ancestors” would turn against them and they would be dogged by bad luck until they died. A vote for the DA, they were told, was a vote for a white-supremacist party “hell-bent on treating black people as subhuman” and on bringing back apartheid. But a growing number of non-white South Africans are no longer willing to believe such fantasies. The ANC will still dominate at all levels of government. But the DA is snapping at its heels.

22nd May 2011, 21:05
For the first time since apartheid ended, voters may give the ruling party a fright

ACROSS from Beauty’s Hair Salon (“Dark and Lovely”), the residents of Diepkloof, a neat working-class district of Soweto, a sprawling black township outside Johannesburg, queued up patiently in autumn sunshine outside Dumezweni Primary School to vote in South Africa’s third municipal poll since apartheid ended in 1994. For the first time since then, the all-powerful African National Congress (ANC) was challenged by an opposition party able to point to its own perky record in local government and contrast it with the ANC’s fairly dismal one.

As counting continued on May 19th, preliminary results were hard to gauge. The opposition Democratic Alliance (DA), led by Helen Zille, a former Cape Town mayor and now premier of the Western Cape, seemed set to improve sharply on the 15% it won in the last local polls in 2006. The ANC’s tally, though down from its previous 66%, was still expected to top 60%. Jacob Zuma’s chances of serving a second term as the country’s president would dip if it had done worse. Neither the Congress of the People (COPE), a splinter of the ANC, nor the once formidable Zulu-dominated Inkatha Freedom Party seemed sure to survive, as their share of the poll plummeted.

Ms Zille, a white former anti-apartheid campaigner and one-time journalist, fought a jovial and energetic campaign, shining a light on the DA’s efforts to bring better services to cities such as Cape Town. Her party has also begun to win more votes across the racial divide. Though its supporters are still mainly white, a third of its 60 members of parliament are now black or coloured (mixed-race), as were many of its candidates in these local polls. It recently joined up with the Independent Democrats, led by Patricia de Lille, a coloured former trade unionist. She is set to take over as mayor of Cape Town, the country’s biggest city, where for the first time the DA won a majority of the vote.

The ANC’s campaign, by contrast, was lacklustre. In control of nearly all of the country’s 284 municipal councils, it found itself on the defensive in the face of growing criticism of the party for corruption, nepotism and incompetence in local government. Though basic public services are in fact steadily improving, two-thirds of South Africans say they are unhappy with the standards in their particular community. In more than a third of municipalities, the leadership and financial management are considered so poor that the auditor-general has recommended government intervention. In one recent poll, almost one in two voters said he or she would not vote for the same party as in the 2009 general election—which generally meant the ANC.

In desperation, Mr Zuma and other ANC leaders began warning people that if they deserted the country’s liberation party, “the ancestors” would turn against them and they would be dogged by bad luck until they died. A vote for the DA, they were told, was a vote for a white-supremacist party “hell-bent on treating black people as subhuman” and on bringing back apartheid. But a growing number of non-white South Africans are no longer willing to believe such fantasies. The ANC will still dominate at all levels of government. But the DA is snapping at its heels.

Solid Rust Twotter
23rd May 2011, 08:14
Well, the corrupt and incompetent ANC is still running the show. Guess SA took careful aim and shot ourselves in the foot once again....

23rd May 2011, 13:12
SRT, not hard to do when you are using a both barrels of the shotgun aimed at the foot....

What is encouraging though is the % swings.... Gives hope for the next general election.

If the sheeple dont get it by then... 2 decades later.... :ugh::ugh:

Solid Rust Twotter
23rd May 2011, 14:06
It's unfortunate that a party winning by a huge majority is seen as a good thing for democracy in those parts. Nothing about checks and balances and incompetent govt being given the boot in favour of those who can perform. The same folks who then set fire to buildings and break down infrastructure to protest lack of buildings and infrastructure are the ones who put in place the clowns who are not performing as required, and continue to vote for them. Go figure.....

Someone posted this earlier.

"The danger to South Africa is not Jacob Zuma but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a Zuma presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Zuma, who is a mere symptom of what ails South Africa.

Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Jacob Zuma, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."

Evidence of the tribal influence is the huge gain made by the ANC in KZN which is a traditionally Zulu stronghold, and the accompanying loss of support in the traditionally Xhosa Eastern Cape. For those who don't get the link, Zuma is a Zulu, his predecessor is a Xhosa.

27th May 2011, 14:05
Poster seen on Corlett Drive, Johannesburg day after municipal elections


28th May 2011, 11:22
This test will only take one minute and has only one question, but it’s a very important one. By giving an honest answer, you will discover where you stand morally. The test features an unlikely, completely fictional situation in which you will have to make a decision. Remember that your answer needs to be honest, yet spontaneous.

The Situation: You are in a low-lying part of South Africa to be specific. There is chaos all around you caused by the severe flooding; a flood of biblical proportions. You are a photo-journalist working for a major newspaper and you are caught in the middle of this epic disaster. The situation is nearly hopeless. You are trying to shoot career-making photographs. There are houses and people swirling around you, some disappearing in the water. Nature is unleashing all of its destructive fury.

The Test: Suddenly, you see a man in the water. He is fighting for his life, trying not to be taken down with the debris. You move closer. Somehow he looks familiar. You suddenly realise who it is… It’s Julius Malema! You notice that the raging waters are about to take him under forever. You have two options: [1.] You can save his life; or [2.] You can shoot a dramatic Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph, documenting the death of the country’s most notorious man!

The Question: Please give an honest answer.


28th May 2011, 14:22
Ugh... get into the 21st century!

You could stream the incident live with a charge coupled device and manipulate the video later.

Pulitzer, BAFTA and possibly an Oscar could come your way...

Solid Rust Twotter
30th May 2011, 09:42
The New Apartheid...?

John Kane-Berman (http://www.businessmasters.co.za/showthread.php/2100-John-Kane-Berman)

John Kane-Berman
Address by John Kane-Berman
SwissCham Southern Africa – South Africa chapter
JKB/Country club/Woodmead/10th March 2011
South Africa: Finding a Way Forward

I will try to answer three questions this afternoon.
Which way are we going?
Can we find a better way forward?

Apart from racial policy, the institute I head has been documenting almost every aspect
of South Africa since our foundation in 1929. It was inevitable then that when the ANC
came to power in 1994, people asked us why South Africa should not become just
another African disaster. I gave the usual list of advantages: a greater pool of skills, good
infrastructure, a resilient private sector, our strong international economic linkages, a
tradition of political pluralism, independent trade unions, a free press, and the vigour of our
NGO sector. Since then the country has won golden opinions for macroeconomic policy
management, reflected most recently in a heavily oversubscribed 30-year government

Despite this, we now learn almost daily of things that prompt the question once again: are
we headed for the list of African failures. Recently an outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease
occurred because a vital border fence with Mozambique had been neglected. Such
problems are not isolated. We have slipped further down global tables as a destination for
mining investment, police behaviour seems to be increasingly lawless, maternal and infant
mortality rates are rising, millions of schoolchildren have started another year without
textbooks, and the country's commercial capital is run by people who are out of their
depth. We also have much higher rates of youth unemployment than countries to the north
that recently chased away their rulers.

Specific problems aside, among the main reasons we are going wrong are the following:
Affirmative action, which has denuded the State of both skills and institutional memory
Labour laws which protect unionised workers at the expense of the jobless
The cadre deployment policy, making loyalty to the party a key criterion for
appointment to offices of state, and
Use of a model of government which makes elected institutions more accountable to party headquarters than to voters.

Apart from policies and practices, the problems confronting us arise in part from
assumptions and attitudes that affect the policy environment. These include:
limited understanding of what entrepreneurship requires
ideological hostility towards business
poor appreciation of how markets work or even antipathy towards them
the belief that the pockets of our small number of major taxpayers are bottomless,
too much faith in the efficacy of the State, leading to more and more regulation

To these harmful factors must be added others:
corruption said by the deputy president to be "worse than anyone imagines"
lawlessness on the part of the State
a love of the grandiose, such as new bullet trains to Durban while we can't fix
commuter rail services
the callousness towards ordinary people found all too often in service departments,
no accountability even for preventable deaths of mothers and babies in public

Then there are two key problems in the way policy is made.
One is a habit of putting the cart before the horse – for example, embarking on
ambitious education or health schemes without first fixing the basics such as training
enough teachers and reversing the decline of public hospitals
The second is failure to apply the lessons of admitted mistakes. To its credit, the
Government has admitted the failings of outcomes-based education but the ANC
nevertheless plans to forge ahead with a national health system without considering
the State's capacity constraints.

These various aspects of our problems show that we are facing not just a few wrong-
headed policies, but a challenge arising from the very nature of the Government and how it
runs the State. Most of them have a direct impact on business.

Part of that challenge arises from the fact that the ANC is not a normal political party.
When a party with a two-thirds majority in Parliament is still committed to a ‘national
democratic revolution,’ we must ask what it is that they wish to stage a revolution against.
The economic system? Probably. Democracy? Perhaps. The rule of law? Very likely. The
Constitution? Possibly.

The Press pays little attention to the national democratic revolution, but the ANC is
committed to it. This is one of the risks we face. Another is that tougher affirmative
action requirements lead to a drain from the country of the most skilled segment of the
population. Yet another is that public spending gets out of control as the ANC promises
more free things to more people and puts more of them on to the public payroll, including
now members of Umkhonto we Sizwe. We might also see a more rigid labour market,
destructive interventions in agriculture, attenuation of property rights, damage to private
health care, more malfeasance with mining licences, further corruption of the criminal
justice system, and more local governments collapsing.

It is ironical that we are expanding our social security commitments at the very moment
when rich countries are having to cut back. It is also ironical that we are seeking to extend
controls of the labour market while Europeans are trying to make their labour markets
more flexible.

A further piece of irony is that we are lengthening the arm of the State at the very time
when China and India are continuing to liberalise economically, when parts of Africa are
liberalising, and when even Cuba is showing signs of liberalisation.
I have painted some dark clouds and the challenge now is to find the silver linings. Like
a contrarian investor, we must look for signs of change that may not be obvious. One
of these is the very fact that the Europeans, the Chinese, the Indians, and the Cubans
have been here before and are having to reverse thrust. The international context in
which we make policy has changed. Africa is also having to pay more attention to good
governance than in the past. Already, some African countries are more attractive as
mining destinations than we are. If we don't look out, we may find that our lead as the most
important economy in Africa is shrinking.

Despite the ANC's close historical ties with the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, it was unable in 1994 to follow a communist path because the USSR had in the meantime
imploded. As welfare and dirigiste states elsewhere come under pressure, so will the ANC
have to recognise that those role models are also unworkable.

Despite this country's achievements since the advent of democracy in 1994, we are
pursuing an unworkable political model. This model will have to be abandoned just as
communism and apartheid had to be abandoned. How long this will take I do not know.
The evolution of liberal democracy can be a slow and difficult business. But we need to
find ways of helping the process along, while also trying to minimise the fearful human and
economic damage that may be done in the interim.

Among the reasons why apartheid disintegrated, two are relevant today. One is that
its contradictions – notably the belief that you could run a modern economy without
exploiting the skills of the whole population and granting them political rights -- became
unsustainable. The second reason was that, as the policy crumbled under the weight
of critical scrutiny and its own contradictions, the ruling elite began to lose faith in it.
Disillusionment spread from the Dutch reformed churches, to the Afrikaans Press,
to academia, to business, to the ruling party, to the Cabinet, and not least to the
Broederbond. This made Mr FW de Klerk’s bold actions on 2nd February 1990 both
necessary and possible.

Parallels between the last 25 years of National Party rule and the first 15 years of ANC
rule are becoming quite striking.

The most obvious is on racial policy. The NP thought it could run a successful economy
without fully exploiting the skills of the black population. The ANC thinks it can run a
successful state without fully exploiting the skills of the white population. The evidence that
this cannot be done is apparent all the time at all levels and in all branches of government.
And it is beginning to cause instability at local level and hurt the party.

Unfortunately, however, one of the parallels with our past is that failed policies are
sometimes intensified rather than abandoned. This happened with the pass laws, for
example, before PW Botha finally repealed them in 1986. It may also happen now with
the Employment Equity Act, with its provisions for heavier fines to enforce racial quotas
upon all employers – when the Government cannot even get Denel, or Eskom, or SAA, or
Transnet to meet its racial targets at management or skilled levels.
But there are other parallels. Just as the National Party steadily lost support among the
intelligentsia, the same is happening with the ANC. Some black newspaper editors and
journalists are at least as critical of the ANC as their white counterparts. In discussions
with black business leaders over the past few months, my Institute has been struck how
some of them have become very critical of the government - more so than most of their
white counterparts. Moeletsi Mbeki probably speaks for more people than we think.

Some of the squabbles in the ruling tripartite alliance are about spoils and patronage, but
others are about policy. There are divisions over whether "decent" jobs should be placed
above the need to generate more jobs. A growing minority is beginning to question the
deployment policy. Others would like to have a professional civil service instead of one
subject to ministerial whim. Racial policies are now also becoming a source of division, as
we saw last week with Trevor Manuel’s public attack on Jimmy Manyi.

This spat is causing the ANC to tie itself into knots. When my Institute pointed out that
forcing employers in the Western Cape to conform to the national racial breakdown would necessitate the (illegal) dismissal of thousands of coloured workers, President
Jacob Zuma said companies would have flexibility to conform to national or regional
demographics. This, however, is not what the proposed amendment to the Employment
Equity Act says. Now the general secretary of the ANC, Mr Gwede Mantashe, has
weighed in to the effect that national companies will have to use national demographics
and provincially-based companies provincial demographics. This is the opposite of the
flexibility of which Mr Zuma speaks.

In November last year the minister of finance, Mr Pravin Gordhan, told an audience in
London that economic empowerment policies designed to improve the standard of living of
the black majority after 1994 had not worked. After all the employment equity, labour, and
land reform legislation, not to mention hundreds of billions of rands in BEE deals, this is
quite an admission. In the short term it may lead to an intensification of failed policies, but
in the long term these policies will have to be abandoned.

The new constitution ushered in democracy in 1994. Ironically, however, the ANC's model
of government - based on the Leninist idea of “democratic centralism” - in terms of which
party headquarters dictates to local communities whom they must elect – is causing
growing dissatisfaction at local level as the municipal election on 18th May approaches.

Though many officials are hostile to white farmers, others recognise that no one else
has the expertise to reverse the failures of land reform. Despite antipathy to the private
sector, some of the ruling elite see a growing role for it in getting our ports working more
efficiently, in electricity generation, in the rescue of local government, in AIDS testing,
and in sorting out the problems of further education and training colleges. Indeed, as the
failings of the State become more and more apparent, thanks in part to a critical media,
more and more people in government will turn to the private sector for help. Even Cosatu
wants private sector involvement to be mobilised when Postbank gets a banking licence.

These inconsistencies will multiply as the ANC continues to pursue mutually contradictory
policies. Promises of creating millions of new jobs are incompatible with key components
of official policy, among them affirmative action, the deployment strategy, restrictions
on immigration, tightening up the labour market, and adding to the regulatory burden on
business. Eventually the contradictions will become unsustainable. Either some of these
key policies will have to be jettisoned, or the quest for millions more jobs will fall by the

In the meantime, what do we do? The first thing is to keep exposing the contradictions, so
providing arguments for those in the ruling alliance who wish to see more realistic policies.
Arguments for the liberalisation of our damaging labour laws need to be refined and
intensified. The climate to do this is now more favourable than at any time since 1994.

I suspect that affirmative action and cadre deployment policies have also done more
damage to this country than most people care to admit. Can you really run a modern
industrial state if you would rather leave posts in the public sector vacant than appoint
whites to them? The major victims of this folly have been blacks rather than whites. The
connection between these policies and lost growth and investment, high unemployment,
shoddy RDP houses, inability to obtain social grants or medicines, preventable maternal
and infant deaths, high crime rates, perilous roads, poisonous rivers, mismanagement of
flooded dams, fraudulent passports and IDs, and a great many other problems needs to be
repeatedly pointed out. The ANC's economic objectives simply cannot be achieved while
everything is subordinate to racial ideology and the imperatives of the ‘national democratic revolution’. This message needs to be hammered home without reservation or apology
until a critical mass of opinion within the ruling alliance comes to recognise it.

Secondly, it is necessary to stand firm in the defence of vital practices and institutions as
they come under increasing threat, not only the rule of law but also academic freedom,
independent civil society, a free Press, an independent legal profession and prosecution
service, and independent courts. It is also necessary that organisations other than
business come to the public defence of the free market system, private enterprise, and
entrepreneurship. Not for a second should anyone in the ruling alliance be allowed to
forget that the money the Government spends on education, health, housing, child support
grants, and everything else - including its lengthening list of promises to its constituents -
arises from taxes extracted from the private sector and private individuals.

This is a point that needs much more emphasis than it gets. Business might wish to think
of ways of getting the point across more strongly in public as well as to parliamentarians,
civil servants, and other members of the ruling alliance.

Thirdly, keep proposing alternatives to present policies. Business may not necessarily see
a direct role for itself here, but it is nevertheless essential that alternatives be put forward.
Here is my list of a dozen:
Cut back on the size of the State
Put inspectors back into schools
Systematically extend private education
Radically redesign land reform
Democratise Parliament
Liberalise the labour market
Make economic growth rather than redistribution the topmost priority
Change our welfare state into one that promotes entrepreneurship
Direct all state interventions at helping the poorest of the poor regardless of race
Replace the deployment system with a professional civil service
Increase our global competitiveness as a destination for foreign direct investment
Repeal all racially discriminatory laws

Some of these may seem fanciful right now. However, given growing contradictions, policy
failures, and paralysis in government, the climate is in fact auspicious. Detailed policy work
on alternatives will of course be necessary. But the main point at this stage is to undertake
a tenacious campaign to change ideas, preparing the soil, as it were, for new policies to be
planted. This will be a long haul and a hard slog, so the sooner it is stepped up the better.
The ruling party must be a prime target, both direct and indirect.

Don’t forget, let me say in conclusion, that ideas predate policies and that their power, for
good or ill, should never be underestimated. It was after all, that great incendiary journalist
and armchair revolutionary, Karl Marx, who produced some of the most powerful ideas in
history. Despite their murderous consequences some of these ideas still have an iron grip
in South Africa. They need constantly to be countered by the ideas that underpin liberal
democracy. In particular, we need to keep on propagating the idea that the real alternative
to apartheid is not another form of social engineering designed to promote an impossible
equality of outcomes but an open society committed to equality before the law, political
and economic freedom, corruption-free and proper democratic government, and rising
living standards for all.

Social and racial engineers failed in South Africa last time around, and they will fail this
time too. That is cause not for despair but for eager anticipation.

3rd Jun 2011, 07:05
The Africans With No Abilities Act (AWNAA)

Pretoria – May 11, 2011 - The Zuma Government is urging Parliament to pass sweeping legislation that will provide new benefits for many voters: The Africans With No Abilities Act (AWNAA) . President Zuma said he will sign it as soon as it hits his desk - "I will sign it before I even read it" he said at his most recent wedding.

The AWNAA is being hailed as a major legislative goal by advocates of the millions of Africans who lack any real skills or ambition.

'Roughly 60 percent of Africans do not possess the competence and drive necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society,' said youth leader and spokesman Icant Ndoit. 'We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability to be ridiculed and passed over. With this legislation, employers will no longer be able to grant special favors to a small group of workers, simply because they have some idea of what they are doing.'

In a press conference, Minister Without Portfolios Ino Nuttingh, pointed to the success of Eskom, which has a long-standing policy of providing opportunity without regard to performance. Approximately 74 percent of employees lack any job skills, making this utility provider the single largest employer of Persons of Inability - after government.

Private-sector industries with good records of non-discrimination against the Inept include retail sales (72%), the airline industry (68%), and independent television (65%). At the state government level, the Department of Home Affairs also has an excellent record of hiring Persons of Inability (a whopping 83%).

Under The Africans With No Abilities Act, more than 25 million 'middle man' positions will be created, with important-sounding titles but little real responsibility, thus providing an illusory sense of purpose and performance.

Mandatory non-performance-based raises and promotions will be given so as to guarantee upward mobility for even the most inept employees. The legislation provides substantial tax incentives to corporations that promote a significant number of Persons of Inability into middle-management positions, and gives a special tax credit to small and medium-sized businesses that agree to hire one clueless worker for every two talented hires.

Finally, the AWNAA contains tough new measures to make it more difficult to discriminate against the Non-abled, banning, for example, discriminatory interview questions such as, 'Do you have any skills or experience that relate to this job?'

'As a Previously Untalented person, I can't be expected to keep up with people who know how to do something,' said Alfie Moermay, who lost his position as a flag waver at roadworks sites, due to his inability to remember which side the traffic came from. 'This new law should be real good for people like me,' Moermay added. With the passage of this bill, Moermay and millions of other untalented citizens will finally see a light at the end of the tunnel.

Said Mpumalanga Executive MPC Alice Takitall 'As an Executive Leader with no abilities, I believe the same privileges that elected officials enjoy ought to be extended to every African with no abilities. It is our duty to provide each and every African citizen, regardless of his or her inadequacy, with some sort of space to take up in this great nation and a good salary for doing so.'

Solid Rust Twotter
3rd Jun 2011, 08:17
Hartlepool residents just hanged their monkey, rather than torturing it to death.

We've come a long way...:rolleyes:

Monkey "witch" burned by South African township mob

Animal welfare workers were contacted by a Kagiso resident traumatized by the incident, in which a vervet monkey was beaten, pelted with stones, shot at and burned to death.

JOHANNESBURG, South Africa — Animal welfare groups in South Africa have condemned the “barbaric” killing of a vervet monkey by a mob of township residents who said it was a talking witch.

The monkey was beaten, pelted with stones, shot at and then doused with gas and burned to death in Kagiso near Johannesburg, by residents chanting “Kill that witch!”, reports South Africa’s Star newspaper.

The vervet monkey had reportedly wandered into the township after becoming separated from its troop. Residents said the monkey had been going around Kagiso “talking to people,” and believed it was linked to witchcraft and would bring them bad luck.

They pelted the monkey with stones, and the monkey fled into a tree but was pulled down, put in a bucket and doused with gas.

Kagiso resident Tebogo Moswetsi told the Star that he climbed the tree and grabbed the monkey.

"I was curious to see this monkey that people claimed could talk, and when I saw a group of people chasing after it, I joined them," he said. "When it went up the tree, I climbed after it and brought it down because I was curious as I found it unbelievable that a monkey could talk.

"I feel guilty. I shouldn't have taken it down from that tree. I dropped it down after someone poured petrol on it. I had no choice," Moswetsi said. "Someone struck a match. [The monkey] got out of the bucket and dropped down dead. They continued throwing stones at it."

Cora Bailey, manager of Community-led Animal Welfare (CLAW), got a call from an upset resident and when she arrived in Kagiso saw a big crowd gathered around the remains of the burning monkey.

“I felt devastated. You could barely tell it had been a living creature. There were very small children who looked very confused and frightened,” she told the Star, describing the incident as "barbaric."

Mike X
3rd Jun 2011, 11:45
There are many talking monkeys in South Africa, so why were the residents afraid ?

3rd Jun 2011, 12:45
'We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability to be ridiculed and passed over.

So they'll be getting political jobs then !

At the state government level, the Department of Home Affairs also has an excellent record of hiring Persons of Inability (a whopping 83%).

the percentage is too low. Perhaps, with the appropriate measures, the figure will reach 120-150% :rolleyes:

3rd Jun 2011, 12:53
Poster seen on Corlett Drive, Johannesburg day after municipal elections


good to see some honesty in electoral campaigns.

Mike X
4th Jun 2011, 22:36
There are many talking monkeys in South Africa, so why were the residents afraid ?

Who the hell put Africa in red in my above post. Certainly not Wholi ?

9th Jun 2011, 06:28
This is the reality of 'democracy' in South Africa. The country to the north of it is of course even worse. Loony lefties who wanted 'freedom' from Apartheid and oppression, hang your heads in shame at what you have wrought.

A frail young South African democracy
by Philip Theron

2011-06-07 15:00

The South Africa that Nelson Mandela had envisioned, his theme about the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the fact that all people are entitled to these rights. The values of happiness, justice, human dignity, peace and prosperity that have a universal application because each people and every individual is entitled to them. Mandela always simplified matters, never complicating them. Everybody knew what he stood for.

When there was conflict, his policy was: what is best for all people concerned? What brings happiness, justice, human dignity, peace and prosperity to the people? Nelson Mandela was full of compassion, had belief in the "equality of man," and had a "love your neighbour" philosophy. None of which are part of the Third World's history.

So what happened?

Fast forward to the South Africa of 2011, and you find that the majority of South Africans do not have any semblance of a standard of living. They have been robbed of it by the governing party. The African National Congress has failed miserably in providing this to the masses. Standards of living include not only the ownership of consumer goods, but also aspects of living that cannot be purchased or are not under an individual’s direct control, for instance, environmental quality, services provided by the government, access to health care, standard of education, house ownership, take home pay based on job creation, maintaining infrastructure, providing a safe environment and so forth.

The ANC have not provided transparency in the way they govern. Transparency in governance, humanities and in a social context implies openness, communication, and accountability. Transparent procedures include open meetings, financial disclosure statements, and freedom of information, budgetary review, audits and so forth. This is not happening with the Zuma regime. It is the duty of civil servants in a democracy to act visibly, predictably and understandably. Problems and dissension within a governing party need to be transparent. In a true democracy they are not dealt with "internally." The people have a right to know.

The ANC have provided corruption. Corruption is operationally defined as; the abuse of entrusted power for private gain. As defined by Transparency International, the cost of corruption is four-fold: political, economic, social, and environmental. On the political front, corruption constitutes a major obstacle to democracy and the rule of law. In a democratic system, offices and institutions lose their legitimacy when they are misused for private advantage.

Though this is harmful in the established democracies, it is even more so in newly emerging ones. Accountable political leadership cannot develop in a corrupt climate. Frustration and general apathy among a disillusioned public result in a weak civil society. That in turn clears the way for democratically elected yet unscrupulous leaders to turn national assets into personal wealth.

In today’s South Africa crime and corruption hogs the headlines, and the country's reputation as a crime capital stretches far and wide. A very small percentage of murderers end up in jail. Farmers and their families are rampantly being murdered. Affirmative Action has torn this country apart, and we have lost many thousands of skilled and professional citizens to other countries. There is an uneducated Youth League President who is blatantly racist, and calls white citizens criminals.

Hard core criminals are given bail only to continue raping murdering and pillaging once released. Court dockets are purchased and simply disappear. It appears that the judicial system is in complete disarray. South Africa's Constitution gives every person the right of access to information. Access to information is a prerequisite for transparency and accountability of governments, and as safeguarding citizens against mismanagement and corruption. Access to information and freedom of speech are the back bone of a strong democracy. The ANC are working on taking this away from their citizens.

South African citizens should stand together and unite against a government who does not care about them, and is only interested in their own agenda. A clear message must be sent to the ANC, not only during the voting process, but every day. It's the only way.

Solid Rust Twotter
9th Jun 2011, 09:50
Too late, I think. The civil service and any semblance of a working infrastructure has been stripped of competent and qualified personnel in order to stuff it with party cadres. In this manner a firm grip on the reins of power is maintained while undermining and attacking opposition at every turn. We're well on the way to becoming a one party state, if not already there with a marginalised opposition.

The irony is that those who just weeks ago were protesting and getting shot by riot police for complaining about lack of services, are the same ones who once again put this shower of clowns, thieves and thugs back in the driving seat.

And once again the silence is deafening.......

9th Jun 2011, 11:54
Interesting article that makes me, once again, wonder if there is any significant difference between SA and Zim?

(time scale aside, that is)

9th Jun 2011, 12:54
makes me, once again, wonder if there is any significant difference between SA and Zim?

Interesting you should say that. I've just spent an hour on the 'phone to a friend who recently moved to Natal from Switzerland, she's South African, and the same topic came up.

There are some pretty significant differences and some frightening similarities.

Differences :

Numbers :

South Africa : 50 m (80% black) vs. Zimbabwe : 11 m (98% black)

Zimbabwe is not considered 'important' enough by the rest of the world as the view is that its problems are internal. It has little strategic importance and its resources are of limited interest compared to ZA's. There is very little foreign investment in ZW and it is decreasing, whereas in ZA it is huge.

Large numbers of non-citizens (mostly EU) in ZA whereas very few left in ZW.

Politics :
ZA's elections since 1994 are generally considered by the outside world to have been fair and regulated, and compared to ZW's since Mug-ape came to power, they were.
ZA is moving towards being a one party state but there is no brutal oppression of the opposition and its supporters, as there is in ZW.

Security :
Politically inspired murders have taken place in ZW, ZA has not reached that point. The checks and balances are still working although in serious decline. Most of the crime in ZA is economic, in ZW political.

ZA still has a generally functioning infrastructure and abundant supplies of FMCG. ZW doesn't although since the abolition of the ZW dollar things have improved there.

ZA has a stable well managed economy and a strong currency. ZW doesn't even have a currency any more!

Racist policies and corruption leading to a decline in public services and political choices. ZW's government clearly more virulently racist than ZA's, although the latter may well be driven only by pragmatism.

The ruling 'elite' have implants everywhere (and I'm not talking about mammary glands even if they are a bunch of tits!)

ZA is moving inexorably towards a one party state. That to me is the most worrying aspect.

9th Jun 2011, 14:42
Thanks for that, Capetonian!

Solid Rust Twotter
13th Jun 2011, 14:48

Paper, Zapiro stand by Zuma cartoon
2011-06-13 14:21

Lauren Hess, News24

Cape Town - The Mail and Guardian said on Monday that it stands by its publication of Zapiro’s latest controversial cartoon which the ANC might take legal action against.

On Sunday, the governing party’s spokesperson Brian Sokutu said that it is seeking legal advice and is considering laying charges over the cartoon, which appeared in the June 10 2011 edition of the newspaper.

In the cartoon, President Jacob Zuma, with the word “govt” written on his side, is seen unbuckling his belt while Gwede Mantashe, with ANC written on his side, pushes a woman with a sash reading “Freedom of Speech” and a torch in her hand, towards him.

On the side lies another woman, blindfolded with scales at her side and her dress torn, and shouting “FIGHT SISTER, FIGHT”.

Already facing lawsuit

The blindfolded woman seemingly represents Lady Justice and is a reference to the 2008 cartoon of Zuma preparing to rape her while members of the ANC and its alliance partners held her down.

Zapiro, whose real name is Jonathan Shapiro, is already facing a defamation of character lawsuit for that cartoon - The Rape of Lady Justice - of R5m.

The Mail and Guardian’s editor Nic Dawes told News24 that the newspaper will not apologise for Zapiro’s latest cartoon and will not retract it either.

“The cartoon was strong, tough and disturbing and [an] attempt to deal with a disturbing [issue],” Dawes said.

Isn’t it ironic?

He said he found it ironic that the ANC was seeking legal action about a cartoon regarding freedom of speech.

The ANC’s Sokutu, however, did not see the irony.

He said that while the ANC “subscribes to freedom of speech and freedom of expression, “the cartoon was in bad taste and undermines the dignity of [President] Zuma.

“It borders on defamation of character and is a gross abuse of freedom of speech [and] is not in line with journalistic ethics.

“We are not against him [Zapiro] expressing himself, we are against the depiction [of Zuma].”

Iconic symbols

Zapiro, meanwhile, said that while he wasn’t officially informed of the ANC’s complaint regarding the matter, he takes the drawing of the cartoons very seriously.

“It is a no-brainer that the cartoon is metaphorical”, he added.

“These are iconic symbols of justice and freedom of speech that have been around for hundreds of years,” he said, in reference to the women in the drawings.

He warned that, with the proposed protection of information bill to which he is referring in the cartoon, he sees the nation “on a slippery slope towards authoritarian rule”.

In addition to the R5m lawsuit, Shapiro is facing another R2m lawsuit from Zuma for a 2006 cartoon.
- News24

unstable load
14th Jun 2011, 06:36
“We are not against him [Zapiro] expressing himself, we are against the depiction [of Zuma].”

Yes, it takes courage to stand up and tell the King he has no clothes on despite the fervent reassurances of the acolytes to the contrary.....

Solid Rust Twotter
14th Jun 2011, 07:53
...undermines the dignity of [President] Zuma.

Or underlines his lack of dignity.

Shamelessly plagiarised from FA, Mr Rot.:}

14th Jun 2011, 20:44


Mike X
14th Jun 2011, 22:09
As long as SA maintains its first world infrastructure, it's fine.

Malema is undermining it, but he has not the understanding of the long-standing capitalists.

Just heard that ABSA bank (one of the big four, part of Barclays) has laid off a few hundred. I know the shareholder comes first (wrong ? :)), but their profits are obscene.

A s#!??y time ahead ?

14th Jun 2011, 22:19
Mike X

This place has always been crazy. I worry more about the current macinations of the cabal of black (and some white) hypocrites who are supporting the firebrands in order to rock the ANC and the basic order. Within a year this country may be facing a situation where only the corrupt and the dishonest have any traction at all (vide the information bill).

I am looking forward to going back to Namibia (equally corrupt) next week and thence back to Britain. Such a shame really. SA has so many good people of all colours and creeds (and political parties).


Mike X
14th Jun 2011, 22:30

There have always been the white apologists. Where are they now - relegated to sub-positions.

Only the corrupt and dishonest have any traction now, irrespective of race*. I live in Cape Town. The Western Cape is the best province to live in. I'm outta here, should the ANC gain control.

They can f##k up a wet dream. :)

*Excludes Helen who is achieving. Think of the alternatives.

19th Jun 2011, 22:04
The following is from a friend, a very wise, erudite, and well travelled journalist who has lived most of his life in Rhodesia and South Africa.

There is nothing I can add to it as, sadly, I believe he is right.

I have been thinking about many things this past week.........the decline of Greece, the possible disintegration of the entire Eurozone...

And now that you have sent me the latest information about the unevolved ANCYL President, Julius Malema, and his photographed stage hand puppet, and the imbecile in excelsis, HE The President of the Republic of South Africa, Jacob Zuma, I have been prompted to remember, just to think fleetingly, about Africa...

Africa is a ****-up. I have lived there for nigh on fifty years – since well before Malema was a bubble in his father’s bollock.

Africa bores me.

I am tied, as I suppose I will always be, to a beautiful land with vast skies, oceans of aching beauty, and by and large, a many, many wonderful people.

But I believe Africa is doomed.. Politically, economically, socially... It votes tribally, in exactly the same way as the sludge of Britain votes. The socialists in Britain allow any hobgoblin from wherever to be welcomed. They are given a feather-bedded life, they breed like lice, the eggs break, regeneration runs rampant, and the end product, in eager expectation of entitled demand for a continuance of institutionalised paid sloth, votes for Tribe Labour - or goes on strike.

The tribe in South Africa, until the recent emergence of the woodworker manqué, rested on three legs – the ANC, COSATU, and the Communist Party. Now it has four legs – well three and a prick – and I have been saying for years, they will eventually fight each other. And then they will have to make up, because even they will have developed a nodding acquaintance with the nursery story of the Golden Egg by then. And they will reunify. And they will cast about for a scapegoat. And Ecce Homo: the White w***** of Wealth in the northern suburbs of Johannesburg, the newly disadvantaged in the Somerset West ghetto, the Mary Poppins pumpkins in the Umhlanga Indian palaces...

I shall be back in my benighted homeland by the effluent of the Jukskei in August... Difficult to give up two thirds of one’s life, neh?

Solid Rust Twotter
27th Jun 2011, 18:54
No wonder this young man is such a bug up Zuma's mudbox....:E


No one is safe:ok:


27th Jun 2011, 19:52
Here's an interesting speech by a man who would know.


27th Jun 2011, 20:40

Interesting article but Im still at a loss as to what to do about it.

Do I take the Mauser down from the wall, cry 'havoc', and let slip the dogs of war, or do I make a bigger donation to the DA?

I am growing increasingly frustrated at seeing the country go to the dogs on a monthly basis.

I refuse to immigrate and give up my country simply because some semi-literate communists now consider me to be a foreigner in the country of my ancestors.

Any advice welcome....

27th Jun 2011, 20:55
It's rather the same as living in England. If I were there I wouldn't go just yet but I'd sure as sherbet have a Plan B. I never could understand Pan Africanism until I looked at it in a European context.

Solid Rust Twotter
28th Jun 2011, 06:44
A luta continua, or should that read "the looting continues...?"

Eskom Profit More Than Doubles on Prices; Expansion Progressing
By Carli Lourens - Jun 27, 2011 1:00 PM GMT+0200

Eskom Holdings Ltd., a South African state utility supplying about 95 percent of the nation’s power, said full-year profit more than doubled after it raised prices.
Profit jumped to 8.4 billion rand ($1.2 billion) in the year ended March 31, from 3.6 billion rand, Johannesburg-based Eskom said in its annual report released today. Sales rose 29 percent to 91 billion rand, while volumes gained 2.7 percent.
The regulator allowed the company to boost average tariffs about 26 percent this year to fund 500 billion rand of spending through 2017 to expand capacity and avoid a repeat of 2008 shortages that shut gold and platinum mines. Eskom has warned supplies will be “tight” at least until the first unit at its new Medupi plant begins generating power late next year.
“Eskom is well on track to be financially sustainable,” Chief Executive Officer Brian Dames said in Johannesburg. “Profit has increased, essentially driven by the tariffs.”
The company, whose biggest customers include Anglo American Plc (AAL), Xstrata Plc and AngloGold Ashanti Ltd., raised charges by an average 25 percent last year and 31 percent in 2009, saying prior increases lagged behind generating costs. It had struggled to fund the expansion program, prompting the government to provide about 350 billion rand of loan guarantees last year.
The expansion is “progressing well” and a “clear funding plan is in place,” Dames said. Eskom raised $1.75 billion in its first U.S. denominated bond issue this year and gained loans from the World Bank, the African Development Bank and the U.S. Export-Import Bank, among others.
Bond Issue
Eskom isn’t planning to issue its second international bond in the “short-to-medium term,” Paul O’Flaherty, Eskom’s finance director, told reporters. Eskom will consider the issue when market conditions become “favorable” to do so, he said.
Eskom’s primary energy costs, mainly coal purchases, jumped 23 percent to 35.8 billion rand in the year under review as prices for the fuel rose and the volume of coal burnt climbed 1.6 percent to 124.7 million tons. Future coal cost increases will probably be about 12 percent to 14 percent a year, Dames said. Eskom, which generates more than 80 percent of its electricity from the fuel, had an average 41 days of stockpiles as of March 31, according to the annual report.
The generator isn’t expecting power outages, even as demand climbs towards an expected winter peak of 37,500 megawatts next month and after the utility couldn’t carry out enough plant maintenance in the summer, Dames said. “There is a growing maintenance backlog that will require plant shutdowns and this must be addressed over the coming year,” he said.
Eskom, looking to double its 41,194 megawatt capacity, would like to build a nuclear plant with a partner, he said.
Eskom expects to conclude talks with BHP Billiton Ltd. (BHP) for a revised electricity supply agreement for the mining company’s aluminum smelters in South Africa by March 31, Dames said.
To contact the reporter on this story: Carli Lourens in Johannesburg at [email protected];
To contact the editor responsible for this story: John Viljoen at [email protected]


Salaries of Eskom execs doubled
Jun 27 2011 22:13 I-Net Bridge, James-Brent Styan & Reuters

Johannesburg - State-owned power utility Eskom paid executive committee members 109% more than they were paid last year, according to its financial statements for the year ended March 31.

Eskom's directors' remuneration report reveals that R18.5m was paid to executive committee members, compared to last year's R8.8m. The biggest winner was human resources head Bhabhalazi Bulunga, who pocketed 507% more at R3m, compared to last year's R501 000.

Of the two executive directors, CEO Brian Dames was the highest paid at R5.7m, a 0.9% increase. However, finance director Paul O'Flaherty took home 346% more at R4.9m.

Releasing the group's financial results on Monday, Dames said his management had agreed not to take any bonuses if they could not keep the lights on or achieve targeted savings.

This was despite a public outcry over the pay and bonuses of state-owned enterprise executives, sparked by a high court claim filed by former Eskom CEO Jacob Maroga for R85m, which he said he would have earned had his contract not been terminated prematurely.

Former Public Enterprises Minister Barbara Hogan set up a panel, led by former ambassador Barbara Masekela, to review the remuneration of senior management and non-executive directors at state-owned enterprises. Current minister Malusi Gigaba said in February that the report would be released to the public soon, but this has not yet happened.

After Eskom was granted an annual increase in power tariffs of around 25% for three years, on Monday the utility confirmed that it will likely apply for two more hikes in this range.


Eskom reported a net profit of R8.4bn for the year.

Eskom said the latest profit was made on revenue of R91.4bn, an increase of 29% from 2010. In 2010, Eskom made a net profit of R3.6bn.

The past two years of profit have been a remarkable turnaround for a company that made a loss of R9.6bn in the 2009 financial year.

Dames said the revenue growth was driven by tariff increases and that the profit had been reinvested in Eskom.

"We cannot continue successfully with our massive build programme if we are not as profitable as this. The total interest repayments on our debt that we have incurred for our build programme is still exceeding net profit," he said.

Eskom has a capital expenditure programme of R450bn, and interest and debt repayments in the 2011 financial year were about R18bn.

"Eskom is well on track to be financially sustainable. That is driven extensively by the fact that we now have tariffs moving towards cost-reflective rates ... allowing us to invest back into the business," said Dames.

Eskom was granted an annual increase in power tariffs of around 25% for three years and is likely to apply for two more hikes in this range.

Cash-strapped Eskom has been struggling to raise all the R450bn it needs to build new power plants over the next six years to avoid a repeat of a crisis which forced mines and smelters to shut for days in early 2008 and cost South Africa billions in lost output.

Dames said Eskom had secured more than 70% of its funding requirements, and hoped to find the remainder in the course of the current financial year. He said the utility was on track to add another 12 000 MW to the grid by 2019, which should temporarily relieve tight supplies in the world’s top producer of platinum.
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28th Jun 2011, 13:39
Ironic that it was the author of the article included by cavortingcheetah, F W De Klerk, who decided to negotiate the handover of the reins to current power abusers.

Solid Rust Twotter
2nd Jul 2011, 07:36
On the subject of abuse of power: All due to end up swept under the carpet some time soon....



bob johns
4th Jul 2011, 13:41
Max Rated I am .Australian and have not been to SA or Rhodesia,but have a few mates who have left and are very welcome here .I was , in 1973 flying a light aircraft on a UN contract in Bangladesh.(well I was young and well paid.) when one night at a social function I met an official of the UN, an Indian or a Pakistani ,who seemed amused at my Aussie accent, had a bit of a snigger and asked how long we could expect to keep that continent all to our selves !I was , naturally a bit curious as to what he was on about and was told that after Rhodesia and South Africa was sorted out it would be our turn next.!. I think my reply was somewhat non diplomatic in as much that we shoot on average 5 million kangaroos a year ,every one has a rifle ,gun control .will never work so come and have a go you b---k c--t!!!I then picked up my dummy and went home.He was right !As it is here now, we are being swamped by refugees from Somalia and elsewhere in Africa,the Middle East and illegals from pretty well anywhere providing they are not white or English speaking. We are also led by semi litterate communists(Gillard.Labor Brown,greenie)who seem to .be working to an agenda that is not Australian.Maybe it is time to get the old Lee Enfield out of the cupboard let the dogs off ,there are pigs in the scrub . paddock .Hang in there Piet you ve done it before,:ok::ok::ok: tot sienes myneer!

9th Jul 2011, 11:28
They forgot the Minister of Power, Enlightenmunt, but then there isn't too much of that around in the corridors of power these days.


9th Jul 2011, 11:51
Interesting definition of the word 'munt' I found, amongst others:

'The popular Australian meaning is to be broken or unusable.'

How very, very fitting...

9th Jul 2011, 12:08
'Munt' was sometimes used in Rhodesia as a term for a black person, from the Shona 'muntu' meaning 'the people'. The term migrated south across the Limpopo.

In Afrikaans, a 'coin phone' translates as a 'muntfone', thus the labels on them caused some amusement to the Rhodesians.

9th Jul 2011, 15:04
Indeed, my former lodger from Rhodesia always used to refer to Munts, simply as a matter of course and without any ulterior meaning.

unstable load
9th Jul 2011, 18:03
'tis also thus in the Kingdom of the Heavens, aka kwaZulu.
Umuntu = a person.

Solid Rust Twotter
12th Jul 2011, 10:00
Guess the jobless guy in the shack who voted for this turkey feels much better now.:hmm:

Malema forks out R78 000 in cash for 5-star break
2011-07-11 23:08

Video - ANCYL spokesperson swears at journalist

Listen to the telephone conversation between Media24 reporter and ANC Youth League spokesperson Floyd Shivambu requesting comment from Malema. WATCH

Jacques Dommisse, Media24 Investigations

Cape Town - Julius Malema, the controversial ANC Youth League leader, paid R78 000 in cash for a three-day frolic with five friends at the "colonial" and ultra-luxurious five-star Royal Malewane next to the Kruger National Park.

His luxury adventure occured shortly before his re-election as ANCYL president three week's ago in an election campaign which saw him repeatedly sell himself as a champion of the poor.

The news comes on the heels of reports that he has also recently enjoyed a fine holiday in Italy and that he has flattened a R3.6m Bedfordview home to build another one.

Malema and the management of the Royal Malewane, located in the famous private Thornybush Game Reserve adjoining the Kruger National Park, refused to comment on the visit.

However, Media24 Investigations has confirmed with five sources with direct knowledge that the Malema visit occured. Three sources confirmed that the bill was settled in cash.

Media24 Investigations understands Malema and his group of friends were invited by a therapist who works at the luxury spa at the lodge.

The therapist, whose name is known to Media24 Investigations, is also a girlfriend of one of Malema's close friends.

Employees of the lodge get free nights there as part of their benefits and Malema was invited to spend a night for free. He paid for himself and his five friends to stay on for three nights altogether.

It is uncertain how many of the people in his group a free night remained.

Lodge insiders said the Malema entourage did "the normal tourist things", such game drives, luxury picnics and spa treatments.

The advertised cost per person per night sharing is almost R11 000.

When Malema settled the bill on behalf of the group, the administrative staff’s eyes widened when he presented them with R78 000 in cash.

All liars

Malema himself was tight-lipped. Youth League spokesperson Floyd Shivambu said he would not talk to the media and that claims that the trip occured were lies.

"They are all liars,” he said. He said he had spoken to Malema about the matter and that he had declined to comment to Media24 Investigations.

Shivambu then told our reporter "**** you" three times before finally telling him to "**** off" (see transcript below).

Juan Pinto, director and general manager of the Royal Malewane, said the lodge’s official policy was not to comment on any guests.

When asked about the account which was settled in cash, he said any questions about Malema had to be asked of Malema.

According to the lodge's advertising material, Malewane is a Big Five destination, boasting a French Chaîne des Rôtisseurs Blazon Award for its restaurant.

The spa offers a variety of treatments and guests can view wildlife at watering holes just metres away from where they are enjoying their treatment.

A transcript of the telephone conversation between reporter Jacques Dommisse (JD) and ANC Youth League spokesperson Floyd Shivambu (FS) requesting comment from Malema.

JD: So, why did you put the phone down?

FS: Hey?

JD: Why did you put the phone down?

FS: Hey man. You are doing a wild goose chase. I say that if you want to go ahead and write, go ahead and write because he won't speak to you. It never happened, okay? He [Malema] doesn’t want to talk to you.

JD: Why will you not let me speak to Malema?

FS: I said he doesn’t want to. Why must he speak to you? He has no obligation to speak to you.

JD: Because he is a politician.

FS: Yes, but I said no. You cannot force people to speak to you.

JD: I don’t understand?

FS: He will not speak to you. You cannot force someone to speak to you if they do not want to speak to you. He does not want to speak to you. I have just spoken to him.

JD: How do you know he doesn’t want to speak to me?
FS: Because I just spoke to him now.

JD: How do you mean you have just spoken with him? I don’t understand.

FS: **** you.

JD: Say again?

FS: I said: “**** you”

JD: Are you swearing at me?

FS: Yes.

JD: Why are you doing that?

FS: What is your problem?

JD: I have no problem.

FS: **** you. **** off, ok.

JD: Oh, so you now said it for the fourth time?

FS: Yes.

JD: Can you please give me a contact number for Julius Malema?

FS: I don’t want.

JD. Ok. Thank-you. Goodbye.
- Beeld

Malema forks out R78 000 in cash for 5-star break: News24: South Africa: News (http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Malema-forks-out-R78-000-in-cash-for-5-star-break-20110711)

unstable load
12th Jul 2011, 10:49
The real tragedy here is that the Indigenii expect their leaders to live the high life, though I do somewhat suspect Juju is pulling the ring a bit.
They are not seen to be successful and "tyebile" (fat/prosperous) unless they are easily distinguishable from the hoi-polloi.

Solid Rust Twotter
12th Jul 2011, 14:04
Guess that makes the rampant thievery OK then....:rolleyes:

12th Jul 2011, 14:35
Guess that makes the rampant thievery OK then....

SA is not so much a Republic as a kleptocracy! In the land of the corrupt, the most corrupt are kings.

Solid Rust Twotter
12th Jul 2011, 15:34
No doubt that explains the statement by Smuts Ngonyama that he didn't join the struggle to be poor. The rest of the pilferati appear to be in total agreement.

Meanwhile, outside the embassies where strident protest was once the order of the day....


12th Jul 2011, 15:51
I quite like the financial doom sayings of Nouriel Roubini. Another doom and gloom merchant is the Swiss investment analyst Marc Faber. Here's an article which he wrote a little while ago. Other than the truth of the matter in what he writes, such as the up and coming NHS system cloned, with the aid of UK advisers, on the British deathly diagnosis system, no one could possibly for a single second support his conjectures, could they?




Dr Marc Faber, an ex South African and a leading investment guru, tells it how it is.......
(This was published in a UK paper).
Let us hope he has it wrong - it’s pretty heavy.

South Africa – The Future

I expect, like me, you are aware that there has never been a prosperous black-led country, but perhaps it’s just because of “bad luck”, or whatever, for that incontrovertible fact.

Take Haiti as an example:

Before the black slaves revolted and killed all the whites and half castes Haiti had a GNP greater than most of what is now the USA . It supplied 60% of all the sugar used in Europe. Today it is a wasteland. Apparently if you Google Earth the place you see is a sere, brown coloured landscape compared to the neighbouring Dominican Republic which is green and verdant.

Twice the USA has occupied Haiti , building roads, ports, hospitals and schools while putting in a functional society. The moment the Americans left they reverted to dictatorship, voodoo, witchcraft, corruption and barbarism. They did not stagnate, they regressed to the primitive savagery of their forefathers

Since the 1960s, when the Congo expelled the Belgians this has been a mirror of African regression, moving steadily southwards until the example of Zimbabwe . Once a prosperous, well educated exporter of food the population now eat rats to survive.

Will SA go the same way?

There are those optimists who say “No, we have such a strong economy, such sophisticated infrastructure, such a talent pool, that we can never sink”.

My belief is that they have not considered the root cause of Africa’s failure. A cause that is not spoken about as it is fearfully politically incorrect, and probably illegal to speak about. That cause is the deficiencies of the black ”mentality”, for want of a better word.

Are there differences between races, or is race just a meaningless social construct? Until recently, I believed all races were the same under the skin variations, and that perceived differences were only the result of cultural differences. I believed in a common and equal humanity.

But things did not always ring true, observable anomalies were inexplicable if all men are the same.

Why, under apartheid, did the Indians prosper, become doctors, scientists, educators, merchants and professionals while the vast majority of the equally oppressed black Africans remained hewers of wood?

Why can black Africans run, jump and throw better than honkies, but why, out of a billion of them, have they never invented a single thing of any worth? Why have they, collectively, contributed absolutely nothing to the advancement of humanity.

Well the physical thing, the running, throwing bit is easily and uncontroversial answered. Simple, people of African descent (especially the Jamaicans) are genetically better equipped in this regard. Their muscle fibres are different and the typically have 15% more free testosterone than other peoples. Acknowledging this is regarded as racism. Unfortunately, racist or not, that is proven and a fact. Google it and you will find that for over 70 years, in test after test, done by dozens of university professors and Nobel laureates plus USA government studies, most people of African descent trail other races by a wide margin.

Of course I.Q. tests have been attacked, especially by those who perform badly at them, as one might expect them to do. Detractors claim cultural bias, dysfunctional families, past oppression, poor schooling and a host of other reasons for poor black performance, but the professors defend their contention that I.Q. is largely an inherited trait; that differences are inherent, built into a person’s inherited DNA.

For every argument attacking the validity of these tests they have a host of results confirming their accuracy and typicality. Fascinating stuff if you are interested in reading up on it.

The effect of high/low I.Q. has also been studied in depth, with fairly predictable results. Low I.Q. individuals performed badly in social class, family stability, income, educational levels, illegitimate pregnancy, single parent families, rate of prison incarceration, rape, violent crime etc. etc. etc.

I.Q. measurement measures different facets of intelligence and mental competence. Sadly it is in the absolutely vital sphere of cognitive ability that blacks score worst. This means they score abysmally in things like forward planning and anticipating the consequences of their actions.

It is this I.Q. (and testosterone) disparity that is blamed for the fact that African Americans are 5 times more likely to be imprisoned than white (including Hispanic) Americans, 9 times more likely than Americans of Asiatic descent. All in line with I.Q. distributions.

Once imprisonment for violent crimes are computed the numbers become stratospheric. These are American government collated statistics, so pretty accurate. Our government in SA do not, for obvious reasons, publish similar stats, but a pound to a pinch of salt they are even more astounding.

So why the lecture on I.Q.?

Well for a start you must understand that our ruling party are voted into power by a largely moronic plebiscite. I choose the word moronic intentionally. If the cut off point for moronic is an I.Q. of 70, half the voting population would be classified as such.

Only one in 40 black South Africans achieves the average I.Q. of his white fellow citizens. One in a hundred have the I.Q. to achieve university entrance requirements. That is why only one in ten blacks pass our dumbed down Matric (with a pass percentage of 30% in many cases).

One in 6000 black grade one learners will pass Matric with both Maths and Science.

Simply put, they are bloody stupid, and they rule us. Furthermore Zoooooma says they will rule us until the second coming. I believe him.

This explains why the ANC have such idiots in their positions of power and influence, the likes of Zuma, Malema, Khomphela and Cele. They are, unfortunately, the best they have! Well, they are the best blacks they have.

All the critical positions in government are held by Indians, coloureds or whites, something I am grateful for but which pisses Malema off big time .

Will this last? I doubt it. The black/white polarisation is growing and the rhetoric is becoming more extreme. Listen to the pub or workplace chatter, read the blogs and comments sections of the newspapers and it becomes obvious. Whites are gatvol at the waste, corruption and stupidity of the black elite. Blacks are demanding, as their right, the wealth of the whites by means of redistribution of assets. No matter that they have not worked for those assets, they claim them as the spoils of war.

Just in the past week the Mayor of Pretoria, Malema, a minister and Winnie have gone on record as blaming whites for sabotaging redistribution and exploiting blacks. Malema calls out “Kill the boers for they are rapists” to thunderous applause by university students Four influential ANC opinion makers who are echoing the groundswell of mutterings in the ghettoes.

The natives are getting restless.

KAK KOM! Mark my words.

Things are not going to improve. They cannot, there is no reason to believe our slow slide into a failed state can be reversed with our current regime, and there is no prospect whatsoever of there being a change to governance based on meritocracy. Anyone who believes otherwise, or that the ANC can mend their ways, is living in LaLa land. They do not have the intellect.

Like the proverbial frog in the slowly heating pot we have become inured to the slow collapse of our hospitals, schools, courts, water supplies, roads, civil service and service levels. They will become totally dysfunctional shortly. Inevitably so. Those in charge do not have the mental capacity to organise things.

Our economy and Rand is reliant on short term “hot” funds from overseas that can flee at the touch of a computer button, and probably will if our Rand weakens. Conversely we need a weaker Rand to encourage exports.

6 million taxpayers support 12 million recipients of social grants, and that figure is set to rise this year.

The National Health Insurance scheme will happen, no matter how unaffordable. That will push our social grant costs up to Four Hundred Billion Rand. Four hundred billion Rand which produces absolutely no product. Inflation is set to stay and worsen.

The consequence of being the biggest socialist state on earth. I do not believe the ANC has the intellect to conceptualise how big a billion is, let alone 400 billion, or what effect this will have on the economy.

You do not believe Malema’s call to nationalise the mines? This guy articulates what the hoi polloi are thinking, but the ANC leadership will not say yet.

The tactic is to set the bar high, then lower it and the victims will sigh with relief and say it could have been worse. So perhaps it will not be total nationalisation but rather 51%, a’ la Zim. Just look north for revelation, Zuma does.

Who would have believed that this country would ever be headed by an unschooled, rape accused, adulterous, corrupt, sex-obsessed bigot like Zuma.

Anything is possible with the ANC.


You have few years left to enjoy what is left of the glorious SA lifestyle, especially in the Cape , but understand it is not permanent. The end could be sudden as the tipping point is reached, just as it was sudden for those Zim, Zambian, Mozambican or Angolans whites. It could, conceivably, be as bloody as the Hutu/Tutsi uprising when primitive tribal bloodlust overcomes a thin veneer of inculcated civilisation.

Enjoy it while you can, and enjoy it in the Cape where the population mix is more favourable, but be aware that change is inevitable.

Your children must get a world class education, because they will not be adults in SA.

Get assets stashed offshore, you and your children will need them there.


13th Jul 2011, 17:31
Can you give us a link to where this article was published?

13th Jul 2011, 17:40
No, I regret to say that I cannot. I've looked for a newspaper link without success and posted the stuff as I received it. Perhaps it can be traced from the link below? I'd be interested in knowing which journal did print this.

A Critical Look At South Africa: Politics And Economics ~ by Jurgen Klemann (http://www.escapeartist.com/efam/56/South_Africa_Politics.html)

Solid Rust Twotter
13th Jul 2011, 18:26
Where to? Many have no links to the UK or EU, their ancestors having been born in Africa for generations. Add to that age and education and for a lot of folks there's pretty much nowhere left to go. Refugee status? Not sure what happened to the last person trying to stay in Canada using that as motivation. Probably deported back to SA.

13th Jul 2011, 18:54
So many people have the idea that all whites in Africa are 'settlers', this being a keystone of Robert Mugabe's virulent and vile racist rhetoric.

For many, as pointed out previously, there is no other homeland, there are no other roots, they love Africa and they and their forefathers have sacrificed everything for it. They are Africans.

13th Jul 2011, 19:18
Come to the States, people like you are what we are made of. PM me and I'll help you. You can ask for asylum, or just come on a visa and stay. Millions of people do just that.

What? You want well educated, intelligent, hard working people that want to improve their lives to immigrate to the US.

We can't have that, they'll most likely become Republicans. :p

Just kidding, BandAide is right on. You'd be surprised just how welcomed you would be here. :ok:

13th Jul 2011, 21:47


14th Jul 2011, 01:01
Where to?

There is a growing white South African population in both Australia & New Zealand - mostly white collar - doctors, vets, IT etc... Many of the local supermarkets now actually have South African grocery sections.

I understand a significant portion of these workers were made redundant in their homeland ...

14th Jul 2011, 03:24
I have just been to hospital for a small operation. The Indian doctor and anaesthetist I had for a similar operation six months ago had been replaced by South Africans.

Solid Rust Twotter
14th Jul 2011, 06:59

They're generally younger and well qualified. If you're old and want to live in Oz or NZ you need to be fairly wealthy as they balk at allowing them access to medicare and pension funds in the host country.

The older folks don't really want to leave what's been their home for most of their lives, but may not have a choice in the future. The numbers are being whittled down in any case with brutal murders of old people in their homes taking place almost daily, usually accompanied by torture and often rape.

Keeping entropy at bay is not a characteristic of African govts.

BA and Con. The offer is much appreciated. You may end up with a lot more than you think if it goes pear shaped. A friend has returned from the US after spending his life's savings trying to emigrate there. He fought a losing battle for almost five years with INS before reluctantly giving up his job in IT and returning to SA with his family. Perhaps he should have just swum the Rio Grande, a sentiment he bitterly shares with those who ask him why he's back looking for work in a market biased against him by race in SA.

Solid Rust Twotter
14th Jul 2011, 15:45
Due to the rates and taxes debacle where residents of some areas have been paying into a trust and having services delivered and repairs made to infrastructure themselves rather than leave it to local govt, it appears the regs have been changed to criminalise them.

"Clause 1 amends the Preamble so as make it clear that the income
derived from property rates, in line with general tax principles, is not linked
to a specific municipal service or the provision of infrastructure for a
specific municipal service but that such income derived is a general
revenue source."

So no need to actually deliver any services for your money any more. You just pay them because they say so and take your chances. I suppose the funds to keep their excessive lifestyles in place and pay for their little football extravaganza have to come from somewhere.

Still nothing but silence from the former strident mobs....

14th Jul 2011, 21:18
Whilst it is not lost on me what South Africa is currently dealing with, inept and corrupt leadership, inefficient government and civil service dilapidated infrastructure which seems to be the norm in Africa.
post no. 202 is totally inappropriate and most unfortunate, it simply shows the biased,racist and most hateful attitude of the author towards a people he feels are inferior to him. Whilst he is entitled to his opinion i think he should re read and check history again, Africa has made great contributions to human civilization before it was stifled by the thieving white explorers, the arab traders and others.
The author should know that the white civilization and progress he speaks about was founded on Greek civilization which was primarily the offspring of advanced black African civilization of ancient Timbuktu, Kush and Egypt, Yes Egypt has always been a part of black Africa only much later was it occupied by Arabs from the ME. Africa gave birth to Maths, Algebra, Trigonometry.Even the time and calender system originated from African civilization so don't speak of what you not know off and try to sell it as fact.
You can not stifle a group of people for over six hundred years, im speaking of slavery then colonise the whole bloody continent all the while making sure they do not access any sort of education or freedom and four generations later,(thats the average age of African states since independence) all is suppose to be in place, yes we still blame slavery and colonialism for lack of progress, six centuries of slavery and colonialism is a long time it just doesn't go away.
The IQ tests you speak off are modelld from a western style education system and for those of us black folks who were lucky enough to get western type education we aced the f:mad:n tests, also so happens i did my flight training in SA, we had the best results ever recorded by the SACAA from a group sitting and doing all the eight papers at ago, you guessed it 20 black kenyan students acing all the eight papers and averaging over 90% while our so intelligent white colleagues were even struggling to pass 4 exams a sitting, did we have higher IQ's? maybe but i say background had alot to do with it, most of us were graduate engineers, IT, Mathematics and even qualified doctors turned pilots and it made it easier for us.
I'm i justifying inept, corrupt and impotent leadership in Africa, certainly not theres alot that needs to be done, sometimes i feel like the octogenerians hanging onto power should be executed Ceausescu style, alot has to be done, but i have faith in the up and coming better educated and more in touch with the world i.e the younger generation(im not speaking about Malema another goon soon to be president) i dont know about SA they can only speak for themselves but where i am things have to change and they will, but it is wrong to lump a whole group of people with unfounded claims. thats all:=

14th Jul 2011, 21:30
odericko2000 has made some valid points, but in terms of why Africans cannot run their countries properly, here's yet another instance :

South Africa police chief Bheki Cele in 'unlawful deal'
Police chief Bheki Cele Police chief Gen Bheki Cele is a powerful ally of President Jacob Zuma

A South African corruption investigator has called for action against the police chief and a minister for "unlawful" property deals.

Thuli Madonsela ruled that police buildings were leased from a company at inflated prices.

Police chief Gen Bheki Cele and Public Works Minister Gwen Mahlangu-Nkabinde were ultimately responsible for the "fatally flawed" deals, she said.

Gen Cen Cele and the minister have not commented on the allegations.

Analysts say it is the worst crisis to hit President Jacob Zuma's government since it took power in 2009.

Gen Cele is a powerful ally of Mr Zuma and campaigned strongly for him during the presidential race.
Disciplinary action

Ms Madonsela - who is South Africa's public protector, a role similar to that of an ombudsman - investigated leases for buildings intended to serve as police headquarters in the capital, Pretoria, and the eastern city of Durban.

The 10-year leases were signed with Roux Property Fund, owned by Roux Shabangu, a businessman who is well connected in government circles.

Ms Madonsela ruled that the government paid the company inflated prices.

She did not find evidence of criminality, but the deals were "illegitimate" and unlawful", she said.

"The failure of the national [police] commissioner [Cele] to ensure that the procurement process complied with the said legal requirements... resulted in the invalid conclusion of the lease agreement to the detriment of the state and therefore constituted maladministration," she said, according to the AFP news agency.

In the Durban deal, the government offered to pay $169m (£104m) - three times the market rate for the building, Ms Madonsela is quoted by AFP as saying

In the Pretoria deal, it rejected a lower price from a previous owner of the building, costing the taxpayer an extra $1,7m in the first year of the lease, AFP reports.

Ms Madonsela said Gen Cele should face disciplinary action.

Ms Mahlangu-Nkabinde, whose department signed the leases, did not co-operate with her probe, she said.

"I expect President Zuma to do the right thing," Ms Madonsela is quoted by South Africa's Mail & Guardian newspaper as saying.
Drug dealer

During the probe, she said she had been visited by police intelligence officers and the computer of one of her investigators had been hacked into.

She said her investigation had turned her into the target of a "dirty tricks" campaign.
Ex-police chief Jackie Selebi waves his and (archive shot) Former police boss Jackie Selebi (r) had a close relationship with a drug dealer

Last year, Gen Cele's predecessor, Jackie Selebi, was convicted of taking $156,000 in bribes from a drug dealer, Glenn Agliotti.

In 2009, Mr Zuma was cleared of corruption chages after being accused of taking bribes from his financial adviser, Schabir Shaik.

Mr Shaik was, however, convicted of corruption.

Analysts say Ms Madonsela's findings will raise fresh concerns about the cosy relationship between the South African government and business tycoons.

The main opposition party, the Democratic Alliance, said Mr Zuma should dismiss Gen Cele and anyone else implicated by Ms Madonsela.

"Should the president refuse this request, we believe he would be in breach of his sworn duty to uphold law and order," the DA said, the Bloomberg news agency reports.

14th Jul 2011, 22:24
@ BandAide much as i agree with what you are saying, you kind of missed the point, post #202 claimed there has NEVER been any sort of contribution from the continent, and you have to admit its abit difficult to invent when you are shackled for six hundred years while the rest of the world lives on.
@Capetonian, true the continent is a plethora of problems and unaccountability but running isnt a solution if you are as South African as you claim you are, only persistent pressure on this grabby semi illiterate bastards to relinquish power is the way out, im sure there is a black populace that feels the same way, knowing the African leaders mindset they thrive on the ignorance and illetaracy of their constituents, ive seen it first hand here and the more educated and wiser the electorate are getting the more scared they become, maybe to start off SA could do better by educating its large constituency of the black populace who im sure are the majority and vote more on their tribe or race and not on issues and policy. God willing we will be shipping a couple of our war mongering grabby ones to the hague next year but it was never thought that the ruling elite could stand trial in kenya only through persistence and the ever wisening electorate:D
All the best

15th Jul 2011, 03:04
" only persistent pressure on this grabby semi illiterate bastards to relinquish power is the way out"

These people, as you describe them, are the elected representatives who have presumably been educated.

"maybe to start off SA could do better by educating its large constituency of the black populace who im sure are the majority and vote more on their tribe or race and not on issues and policy."

Will that change anything, I mean, who are the leaders now???

15th Jul 2011, 07:20
But more importantly perhaps than the leaders of today are the leaders of tomorrow?

Malema welcomes US First Lady: Oprah - Hayibo | Hayibo (http://www.hayibo.com/malema-welcomes-us-first-lady-oprah/)

15th Jul 2011, 08:31
@prospector, yes the current leaders are purpotedly the educated and elected as representatives, but by whom? Exactly what im talking about a largely illiterate and ignorant voter with no grasp of any issues and policies, how do you expect to have a wise electorate when over 60% of it doesn't understand their national budget, government policies (assuming they have any in the first place) and so forth, how do you expect them to vote in a government that works.
I am a taxpayer in my country where a large rural majority are still illiterate and it irks me when there's no proper budgeting or spending of our hard earned taxes but the leadership understands the rural majority have no clue what goes on in government all they want is one of their tribes men at the helm, personally i don't give a s:mad:t if i'm ruled over by someone who doesn't come from where i do, as long as the institutions are working and i see where my 25k dollars a year in taxes go. so yes a literate and a conscious electorate changes alot of things and it is a start

Solid Rust Twotter
15th Jul 2011, 08:37
Unfortunately the incompetent and corrupt ANC regime prefers an uneducated populace who don't ask awkward questions and who will continue to keep them snugged up to the gravy trough despite the repeated reaming that populace receives from their elected leaders. Education standards are dire and getting worse all the time. Those lucky few who manage to gain a half decent education usually leave for greener pastures at the first opportunity.

This kind of thing is becoming an almost daily occurrence...

Protector findings - DA calls for Cele's head
2011-07-14 19:41

Cape Town -The Democratic Alliance on Thursday called for the immediate dismissal of National Police Commissioner General Bheki Cele.

In view of the findings announced by Public Protector Thuli Madonsela regarding the SA Police Service (SAPS) lease deals scandal, the DA would ask President Jacob Zuma for Cele's immediate dismissal, as well as any other individuals implicated in Madonsela's report, DA spokesperson Dianne Kohler-Barnard said.

The findings announced by Madonsela came four months after the release of her office's initial report into the R500m lease deal signed between Cele and Roux Shabangu which found the agreement to have been fundamentally flawed and invalid.

At that time, Madonsela described Cele's conduct as "improper, unlawful and amounted to maladministration".

On Thursday, Madonsela recommended that urgent steps be taken to "ensure appropriate action is instituted against all the relevant officials of the SAPS that acted in contravention of the law, policy, and other prescripts in respect of the procurement processes referred to in this report".

Kohler-Barnard said as the accounting officer of the SAPS, Cele held ultimate responsibility for the financial decisions made by his department.

In both the protector's reports, Cele had been found to be responsible for the unlawful conduct and maladministration that resulted in the abuse of over a billion rand's worth of state funds.

"The manner in which the SAPS lease deals in question were conducted indicates a total disregard, on the part of both Bheki Cele and Public Works Minister Gwen Mahlangu-Nkabinde for the checks and balances designed to prevent the abuse of public funds.

"If these are not grounds for the national police commissioner's dismissal, it is hard to imagine what is, and indeed, should the president refuse this request, we believe he would be in breach of his sworn duty to uphold law and order in this land," Kohler-Barnard said.

It was also imperative that remedial action be taken swiftly against Mahlangu-Nkabinde, whose conduct the protector described as having "failed to meet the requisite stewardship expected from her", she said.

Hit back

The series of events following Madonsela's first report were of serious concern.

Madonsela called for further investigation and urgent remedial action to be taken against the implicated officials but there had been no visible response by the relevant authorities.

"On the contrary, Commissioner Cele hit back, refused to accept responsibility for his wrongdoing, and questioned the public protector's impartiality."

Shortly after the release of the report, the SAPS "raided" her offices.

Then, last week Independent Newspapers reported that Madonsela was being investigated for fraud and corruption.

"Despite President Zuma publicly stating his support for the work of the public protector, his administration's repeated failure to act on the recommendations put forward by Advocate Madonsela's office tell another story.

"The DA calls on President Jacob Zuma to prove his commitment to the values on which our democracy is based, and to abide by his repeated promises to root out corruption in government, by dismissing the National Police Commissioner and any other individuals who are implicated in the public protector's report," she said.


15th Jul 2011, 20:22

You say 'running isn't a solution' and that may be a valid comment in the context of what's happening to the country, but most of us look after your own skin and family.

Successive governments, the Nats and then the ANC, have deliberately kept the population uneducated, ironically for similar reasons. The current leader is an uneducated buffoon with a criminal record, and Malema, a potential future leader, is uneducated, evil, openly and virulently racist.

It's clear that SA is going the way of Zim, where Mugabe has made it clear that he doesn't want whites in the country, and he has orchestrated murders, torture, and thefts to drive out the white community. But then I'm told that only whites can be racist, so Mugabe is what? Can you offer an explanation? I would like to see him in front of the Court of Human rights in Den Haag, charged with genocide, but that's not going to happen because he's black, and unless I'm mistaken, despite blacks being some of the world's worst tyrants, none has ever been tried at Den Haag.

18th Jul 2011, 06:40

18th Jul 2011, 07:04
On a more serious and worrying note.

When this awful man appeared on the political scene I felt that he would not be taken seriously, but it seems I overestimated the intelligence of the majority of South Africans, or perhaps I underestimated how disenchanted they are with the ANC whom they elected into power on a raft of lies and deceit.

South Africa's most influential man has whites running scared

FOR a political upstart who raucously demands the mass expropriation of all white-owned land in South Africa without compensation and the wholesale nationalisation of mines and banks that are the backbone of the economy, Julius Malema is making remarkable headway.

So much headway, in fact, that there are those who believe the 30-year-old leader of the powerful African National Congress Youth League is fast closing in on President Jacob Zuma and is preparing to challenge him. In a way, it recalls the audacious manner in which, in the 1950s, Nelson Mandela led a rebellion against a reluctant ANC leadership, forcing it to begin the armed struggle against apartheid.

Perhaps a little nervously, Zuma, 69, has spoken of Malema - a man whose rhetoric sends shivers down the collective spine of moderates, especially whites - as the future leader of South Africa. Peter Bruce, editor of the influential Johannesburg Business Day newspaper, has described him as "arguably the most influential person in the country". That's Malema he's talking about, not Zuma.

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Bruce goes on to declare that: "It will be hard for anyone to get elected president of the ANC ... without (Malema's) support. A kingmaker supreme, he is all but king himself. Take a bow, President Jacob Zuma; what an incredible success your leadership of party and country has been."

So, what to make of the meteoric rise and rise of "Juju" Malema, as he emerges ever more powerful in a country still overcoming the ravages of apartheid, taunting whites by singing the liberation war anthem "Shoot the Boer" (Boer being the Afrikaans word for farmer, but in this context a derogatory term for whites) and making it plain his heroes are Robert Mugabe - who seized white farms without compensation and forced international mining companies to hand over 51 per cent of their assets - Fidel Castro and Muammar Gaddafi?

That Malema is powerful is beyond doubt. Despite all the misgivings about him within the ANC leadership, he has just been re-elected unopposed as leader of the Youth League, a position of immense significance in party structures. There had been talk of derailing his campaign. It didn't happen. He's more influential than ever.

And what seems clear is that as much as they deride him, seeking to point out that his demands for the expropriation of white land and nationalisation are not ANC policy, the party's establishment fears him. For Malema, although he had a poor school record, taking seven years to finish high school at the age of 21, has shown rat cunning as a savvy political operator, tapping into the grievances of the masses of impoverished South Africans. For them, ANC rule has brought little relief.

Fifty per cent of young black South Africans are jobless, with little prospect of ever being employed. Most leave school with no qualifications. Their lot is miserable, living in squalid shanty towns surrounded by crime and drugs and HIV/AIDS. There are millions of them.

They readily identify with Malema's simplistic, revolutionary rhetoric, even if he wears a Breitling wristwatch and drives a white Range Rover. Take back the land "stolen" by the whites (55 per cent is owned by whites who make up 9 per cent of the population). Don't pay compensation. Nationalise the mines and banks. It's appealing stuff. They care little that Malema is generally assessed as an economic airhead (much like Zuma) and the consensus that his plans would spell economic catastrophe.

Leading commentator Allister Sparks has noted that while panic buttons are being pressed, it is not Malema who poses the threat but rather "a huge and fast-growing constituency of young, poorly educated and desperately disillusioned young people ... Malema is a symptom, not a cause, of this dangerous situation ... He is a product of it: poorly educated, ill-informed and a social misfit."

The panic is "because Malema's populist cry is suddenly gaining traction within the burgeoning constituency of the disillusioned."

Dolefully, F.W. de Klerk, the last white president, mostly silent since he and Mandela were jointly awarded the Nobel Prize for dismantling apartheid, has weighed into the melee with a warning the country is at a pivotal point, rebuking Malema for playing racist politics and warning that a crisis is approaching.

For the ANC - and for Zuma, Malema and South Africa - high noon will come at a party conference next year at which Zuma wants to be nominated for another term as president. Anything can happen between now and then, but Malema looks like the kingmaker, if not the king. He is no longer a controversial sideshow, but a headline act.

19th Jul 2011, 12:12
David Bullard: Why the ANC like to keep their supporters poor

Bullard used to write a column for the South African Sunday Times. Last year he was fired for writing the unpalatable truth, which made him too hot for them to hold. Update 5: Bullard burns at the stake « the spike (http://ivo.co.za/2008/04/11/bullard-burns-at-the-stake/)

Here is the 'offending' column :

“Imagine for a moment what life would be like in South Africa if the evil white man hadn’t come to disturb the rustic idyll of the early black settlers.

Ignored by the Portuguese and Dutch, except as a convenient resting point en route to India. Shunned by the British, who had decided that their empire was already large enough and didn’t need to include bits of Africa.

The vast mineral wealth lying undisturbed below the Highveld soil as simple tribesmen graze their cattle blissfully unaware that beneath them lies one of the richest gold seams in the world. But what would they want with gold?

There are no roads because no roads are needed because there are no cars. It’s 2008 and no one has taken the slightest interest in South Africa, apart from a handful of botanists and zoologists who reckon that the country’s flora and fauna rank as one of the largest unspoilt areas in a polluted world.

Because they have never been exposed to the sinful ways of the West, the various tribes of South Africa live healthy and peaceful lives, only occasionally indulging in a bit of ethnic cleansing.

Their children don’t watch television because there is no television to watch. Instead they listen to their grandparents telling stories around a fire. They live in single-storey huts arranged to catch most of the day’s sunshine and their animals are kept nearby.

Nobody has any more animals than his family needs and nobody grows more crops than he requires to feed his family and swap for other crops. Ostentation is unknown because what is the point of trying to impress your fellow citizens when they are not impressible?

The dreaded Internet doesn’t exist in South Africa and cellphone companies have laughed off any hope of interesting the inhabitants in talking expensively into a piece of black plastic. There are no unsightly shopping malls selling expensive goods made by Asian slave workers and consequently there are no newspapers or magazines carrying articles comparing the relative merits of ladies’ handbags.

Whisky, the curse of the white man, isn’t known in this undeveloped land and neither are cigars. The locals brew a sort of beer out of vegetables and drink it out of shallow wooden bowls. Five-litre paint cans have yet to arrive in South Africa.

Every so often a child goes missing from the village, eaten either by a hungry lion or a crocodile. The family mourn for a week or so and then have another child. Life is, on the whole, pretty good but there is something vital missing. Being unaware of the temptations of the outside world, nobody knows what it is. Fire has been discovered and the development of the wheel is coming on nicely but the tribal elders are still aware of some essential happiness ingredient they still need to discover. Praying to the ancestors is no help because they are just as clueless.

Then something happens that will change this undisturbed South Africa forever. Huge metal ships land on the coast and big metal flying birds are sent to explore the sparsely populated hinterland. They are full of men from a place called China and they are looking for coal, metal, oil, platinum, farmland, fresh water and cheap labour and lots of it. Suddenly the indigenous population realise what they have been missing all along: someone to blame. At last their prayers have been answered.”

Why the ANC like to keep their supporters poor.
Sunday, June 26, 2011

Can you imagine what it must be like to be a modern day Greek? Bloody humiliating judging by the last few week’s TV coverage from Athens. The problem is that the Greeks simply don’t seem to get it do they? They don’t seem to be able to appreciate that their government has its back to the wall. The money has run out, the party is over and things are never going to be the same for a nation that took it for granted people would be looked after from the cradle to the grave. The only way Greece can survive is with bailouts from the rest of the Eurozone. The country cannot hope to significantly reduce its massive debt on what it produces and sells to the rest of the world. Greece has come to define the new third world and is no different to the beggar nation basket cases more usually associated with the African continent.

Even the Irish have managed to finally grasp the fact that the property market, which was all Ireland’s sudden prosperity was built on, is not likely to bounce back to pre 2008 levels. Like the Icelanders, the Irish have bitten the bullet but the Greeks still think that it’s all a bad dream and that they will wake up soon.

Of course, the Greeks are not alone. Spain has recently seen demonstrations from frustrated and well qualified young Spaniards who can’t find employment and have no hope of doing so. Once again, there’s very little the Spanish government can do about this because the same malaise affects most European countries at the moment. It is, in the words of one of our union leaders, a ticking time bomb.

What is interesting about the difference between our own ticking time bomb and that of many European countries is that our swelling ranks of disillusioned youth are still waiting for the government to deliver on its promises 17 years after being elected whereas their disillusioned European counterparts have, for generations, enjoyed the many benefits of a vibrant economy.

So what is worse I wonder-having to come down to earth with a thud having enjoyed the good times or never having enjoyed any good times? Who has a right to be angrier-South African youth or Spanish youth?

My guess is that it’s much harder for the Europeans to have to adjust to the conditions of their new austerity than it is for the many black South Africans who have yet to taste the fruits of a booming economy. After all, if you’ve never drunk Glenmorangie 18 year old whisky then you’ll never miss it but if it’s become your daily tipple and a sudden change of personal circumstances forces you to drink some no name brand then you are more likely to complain.

Taking stuff away from people who have been used to a moderately comfortable standard of living is potentially much more dangerous than failing to deliver to those who have never known anything but abject poverty. Which is precisely why the ANC policy has been to keep a large number of their youthful supporters poor by promising jam tomorrow (all those meaningless promises to create jobs) but never jam today. They know (and what is happening in Europe supports their argument) that there is nothing so politically damaging as allowing their supporters to become moderately well off only to take everything away from them and dash their hopes within a few years. So a system that financially benefits a few lucky and well connected individuals is considered far more effective than one that spreads wealth around. The wealth accumulated by various BEE beneficiaries and arms deal middle men is on such a vast scale that even if their wealth were to be halved they would still have more than enough for several lifetimes.

Of course this doesn’t help our domestic ticking time bomb and this is something that Julius Malema understands only too well and will exploit in the next three years. He knows that there is no way that jobs can be created for the youth and that they will remain unemployed and poor for most of their lives. One reason is that they have very little education and very few skills, unlike many of their unemployed European counterparts. Another is that, as you can see from this column, our European trading partners have massive financial problems of their own and are in no position to help us. Long gone are the days when we were regarded as the cute and cuddly post Mandela rainbow miracle. These days we have to compete in the world on equal terms with other countries. Scaring investors off with threats that mines and land will be seized without compensation isn’t a great advert to come and do business here.

But what really gets me is when all those lefty lickspittles continue to complain that too many JSE quoted companies are still run by whites . In a non racial society (which is what we were supposed to become in 1994 according to the constitution) what the hell does it matter what colour the boss’s skin is just as long as he/she creates wealth? Like the Greeks, we just don’t get it do we?

19th Jul 2011, 14:53
(Every so often a child goes missing from the village, eaten either by a hungry lion or a crocodile. )

There's a third way of course, especially if the kid's an albino.

19th Jul 2011, 15:47
That's fully understood and it's of no consequence. It's only of possible concern to the parents and even then there may be a profit margin in it for them sometimes. Indeed I think that same sort of thing went on fairly recently in London with a bitless boy's body found floating in the Thames. There are some excellent South Africans and some quite pleasant English people and many of them are to be found in Pprune but that doesn't make either country fit for purpose as a place to which to retire with the loot of a lifetime spent flying around the world.

23rd Jul 2011, 19:44

Solid Rust Twotter
24th Jul 2011, 08:01
As you say CC, a pretty common occurrence. In rural areas the perpetrators of these crimes are not always caught and brought to book either. Many times the folks in the area are too afraid of the sangoma to raise the alarm.

Generally the same folks voting to keep the current crop of pilferati nuzzled up to the gravy trough....

We're in serious need of an educated voter base but there's little chance of it ever happening.

iafrica.com | news | sa news | 'I saw the internal organs' (http://news.iafrica.com/sa/742623.html)

A witness watched as schoolgirl Masego Kgomo was mutilated, the High Court in Pretoria heard on Thursday.

Albert "Nono" Mathebula was testifying in the trial of Brian Mangwale, who has pleaded not guilty to of murdering and raping the 10-year-old Masego and selling her body parts for muti.

Mathebula was initially also arrested in connection with Kgomo's murder.

He testified on Wednesday that he was smoking dagga with friends on the night of 31 December 2009 when Mangwale arrived in a car with a man named Jan, a woman in sangoma's clothing and a young child.

He and two of his friends accompanied them to a sangoma's house in Soshanguve.

Mathebula went inside with the woman, who carried the child. His friends stayed in the car.

He told the court that he and Mangwale were given cooldrink which contained something that made him feel dizzy, out of control and hear voices in his head.

"On entering, we found initiates. They were dressed in sangoma clothing," Mathebula testified.

"... The lady came in with a cloth. The child was not crying. It appeared she was also made to eat or drink something. When Jan cut her open, she did not scream.

"... I did not see the other parts. I only saw the internal organs. When she was cut open I looked so I could see what it is inside a woman's body.

"Jan continued to cut open the child. When they were removing the organs I vomited," he said.

Mathebula said the child's body was later put into the car boot and he and his friends were dropped off at a party.

"My friends asked me what happened with the child. I did not tell them. I was afraid," he said.

Mangwale's trial was previously postponed for judgment, but Judge Billy Mothle called Mathebula and two other witnesses to shed more light on the killing.

The other witnesses, a magistrate and a senior policeman, testified that Mangwale made confessions and a pointing-out to them in March last year about the alleged murder and mutilation of another young girl.

They said Mangwale told them how the girl was lured into their car and taken to bushes near a river, where a sangoma called Jan Maleka cut out her tongue and cut off both her breasts before removing her womb.

The sangoma took the body parts with him when they left the child's body behind in the bushes.

Mangwale told them he was paid R4500 for the job.

They said Mangwale showed no signs of having been tortured or forced to make the statement and told them he wanted to clear his conscience.

Mangwale has claimed that he was tortured by the police and was forced to confess to Kgomo's murder and that of another young girl, which he could not have committed as he was in jail at the time.

A number of confessions, in which he has given different versions of the murder, have been admitted as evidence against him.

Mothle criticised the State and police for the way in which the case had been presented, saying it had been left up to him to go and find the witnesses.

He said it was clear that a number of people had been involved in the murder and he wanted to know why the others had not been charged.

Prosecutor M J Makgwatha said the only evidence against other possible perpetrators was contained in Mangwale's confessions, which could not be used as evidence against them.

Other accused might still be charged if new evidence emerged, but it was possible that they might never be brought to justice.

She said the State did not want to call any of the alleged accomplices as witnesses because the National Prosecuting Authority was not prepared to offer them indemnity from prosecution.

The trial was postponed to 8 August for possible new witnesses, failing which Mothle would give judgment

Solid Rust Twotter
28th Jul 2011, 15:16
Very close to the mark, although there's nothing humorous about the damage they're doing. Investment down 70%, economy and infrastructure crumbling while the ruling elite drain the coffers.

Meanwhile they witter on about nationalisation of industry to improve the situation. The only ones buying into that are their voter base who have been deliberately kept ignorant and manipulated with threats of slavery and the wrath of God should anyone but the ANC gain power.

A Zimbabwe scenario is not far off.


Mike X
1st Aug 2011, 20:32
SA is the Amy Winehouse of global economies. : NewsTime : David Bullard : Out to Lunch (http://www.newstime.co.za/column/DavidBullard/SA_is_the_Amy_Winehouse_of_global_economies/9/3735/)

Solid Rust Twotter
2nd Aug 2011, 09:12
Another farmer murdered. Tied up and stoned to death, his disabled wife and 85 year old mother assaulted and locked up.

It's such a common and unnewsworthy occurrence, only a few papers even bother reporting these things any more.

Solid Rust Twotter
2nd Aug 2011, 12:18
This will probably invoke Godwin's Law but it appears we're getting our own little version of the Hitlerjugend readied for future claims of being war veterans when our Zimbabwe scenario kicks off.

AfriForum goes to court over youth training

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Polit ... -training-

Cape Town - AfriForum Youth will bring a court application to force the department of defence, rural development and land reform, and the National Rural Youth Service Corps (Narysec) to publicise information about the youth training due to take place during this week at the Saldanha military base.

"AfriForum youth discovered that approximately 8 000 young people will receive training in the near future at military bases in, among other things, life skills and artisanship," spokesperson Charl Oberholzer said in a statement on Monday.

According to the organisers the young people would be trained in "patriotism" and "discipline", but they would not receive "military training", he said.

One group had already been trained at the De Brug military base in Bloemfontein and an intake of 1 000 young people would take place at Saldanha.

"A confidential source informed AfriForum Youth that the group which will be trained at Saldanha was recruited from the ranks of the ANC Youth League.

"However, this could not be confirmed yet," said Oberholzer.


In 2010, the defence department announced it would start a programme called National Youth Service to train young people at military bases

Among others, the ANCYL and the Young Communist League would also have undergone training.

Using the Access to Information Act, AfriForum Youth had asked the minister of defence to answer various questions, Oberholzer said.

These included how members were recruited to take part in the training programmes, whether the individuals being training were affiliated to any political party or specific organisation, and how Narysec was composed and what was its function.

Others were on the constitutional documents or empowering legislation of this organisation, the programme content and learning material to be used for the training, and which subjects would be included in the training.

"AfriForum Youth was met with hostility when the request was submitted and no answers were provided to AfriForum Youth’s questions," said Oberholzer.

"AfriForum Youth will now continue to force abovementioned institutions, on the strength of a court order, to publicise the information as requested," he said.

The defence department had been "secretive" since the beginning.


"Initially it was announced that the programme will focus on the ANC Youth League and the Young Communist League, until we objected.

"It is now reported that it isn't military training, but the department of defence is still involved and the training is still taking place at military bases.

"Moreover, no invitation was sent to AfriForum Youth, despite our requests to be invited and that we even contacted the minister."

Oberholzer said AfriForum Youth had no objection against training programmes which provided young people with life skills, but a lot of unanswered questions still remained.

"The department of defence’s aggression and secrecy now compel us to force them with a court order to publicise the information.

"The possibility of further action will be considered as soon as the information, as requested, is publicised," he said.


Solid Rust Twotter
17th Aug 2011, 06:00
New health tax sees massive spike in taxpayer strokes, heart attacks - Hayibo | Hayibo (http://www.hayibo.com/new-health-tax-sees-massive-spike-in-taxpayer-strokes-heart-attacks/)

New health tax sees massive spike in taxpayer strokes, heart attacks

PRETORIA. The government’s plan to get 5-million taxpayers to fund healthcare for the other 45-million got off to a shaky start this morning as hundreds of thousands of taxpayers reacted by having strokes and heart attacks. The Health ministry condemned the outbreak of “racist anti-democratic infarction”, warning taxpayers that they needed to stay alive “for as least as long as it takes to bleed them dry”.

The new National Health Insurance scheme, codenamed Operation Crush The Economy Overnight, will be launched in 2012, shortly before a mass exodus of doctors and taxpayers triggers Operation Blame The Ensuing Failed State On Racism.

However, the plan may now have to be put on hold, after the pool of taxpayers shrank by at least 30% in a few hours after the announcement that the first year alone will cost R125-billion.

Health Ministry spokesman Suction Triage-Tshabalala condemned the wave of strokes and heart-attacks, saying that any attempt to escape to a tax haven, even if it was a morgue, would be treated “extremely harshly”.

“Just remember, in hospital nobody can hear you scream,” he said. “We abhor and reject all forms of violence, torture, abuse and humiliation, but if you happen to encounter them in an organic, normal way, say at the hands of the average South African nurse during her ward rounds, then there’s not much we can do about it.”

Asked what guarantees taxpayers would have that their R125-billion would not be stolen or lost by corrupt and incompetent redeployed cadres, Triage-Tshabalala said, “Bwaaahahahaha!”

When he had finished laughing and wiped the tears from his cheeks, he explained that the Health Ministry was staffed by “doctors, not accountants”.

“Well, actually we’re not doctors either, we’re politicians with a half-completed undergraduate degree in forestry from the University of Bulgaria, but the point is, we’re the boss of you, so shut up.”

Triage-Tshabalala also moved quickly to clear up confusion about which tax revenue streams were going into black holes of unaccountability, and which were merely being slightly embezzled.

“A lot of racists and ant-democrats are saying, ‘We thought our tax was already paying for medical treatment for the poor’, when in fact their tax has mostly been used for, well, er…”

The press conference was ended prematurely moment later when Triage-Tshabalala received word that the Ministry paper-shredder had become jammed on a particularly large sheaf of financial records, and that he was needed to lubricate it with the blood of a taxpayer.

17th Aug 2011, 06:37
One wonders if the South African Air Traffic Control system will be able to handle the number of SIDs on the day that Juju becomes President?


19th Aug 2011, 15:36
South Africa now looks set to embark upon a new chapter in its tax history. There is a proposal, put forward by Desmond Tutu, to impose a wealth tax on the white population. This must be the first time since the beginning of the fall of the Weimar Republic in the 1930s that such a racially discriminatory tax has been mooted, the levy of which will be based entirely upon skin colour. It is an abomination that a churchman should suggest and support such a morally retrograde way of raising revenue.
The man should be defrocked and sent into the wilderness with an ass to guide him and a goat skin of sour milk for sustenance.

Tutu (http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/tutu-s-wealth-tax-gets-support-1.1117933)

Time for (http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/time-for-haves-to-help-rebuild-sa-1.1121343)


unstable load
19th Aug 2011, 16:47
I'll admit to being surprised that the 'Munt (Desmond) is spouting such stuff, but as far as the previously disadvantaged are concerned, it's pretty much par for the course...
The tax paying citizen in SA is being squeezed to death to prop up the fantasies of the ANC. Witness the mooted Medicare and the BILLIONS of Rand it is going to cost.... who is going to deliver those billions.....??????

The Tax paying population is around 5 million out of 45 million... do the sums....then look to the North of the Limpopo for the alternative.....

Call me paranoid or delusional, but first come live there with me...

19th Aug 2011, 17:49
This opens up a number of issues.

I find it incredible that loyal, white South Africans remain stoic and on post.
And their alternatives are what? There is a misconception that all white people in Africa are 'settlers', this being a cornerstone of Mugabe's racist policies, and his stupid little puppet, Julius Malema. Most whites do not have another passport, for numerous reasons it would be difficult or impossible for them to go elsewhere, and they don't wish to leave their country - and it is their country - one of the most beautiful in the world, and with an incredibly high quality of life.

a racist enclave run by unreconstructed neanderthals
I'd say that applies more now than it did prior to 1994. But then of course I'm frequently called 'racist' for stating the unpalatable truth. http://www.lesafriques.com/en/images/stories/news/23_jacob-zuma2.jpgThis, with his 5 wives and about 25 (known) children is far closer to an unreconstructed neanderthal than any of the Nats, including P W Botha or Hendrik Verwoerd, evil as they may have been. Can I also remind you that this is the man, with a record of fraud and corruption, who had unprotected non-consensual sex with an HIV positive woman and later stated that as he had a shower afterwards he could not have beocme infected.

it was one of the most prosperous nations in the world,
Ironically, it still has one of the most stable and well run economies in the world and a very well regulated banking and finance sector.

and a nation where native Africans had the highest standard of living, education, and outlook for a better future than in all the rest of Africa.
That was also true, along with Rhodesia, but they've reduced all that to ash and rubble.

There is a proposal, put forward by Desmond Tutu, to impose a wealth tax on the white population.
After many years of loathing despising that odious little man, who used the pulpit to preach politics, I was beginning to recover some respect for him for having the balls to criticise Robert Mugabe and Julius Malema. That's now out of the window.

25th Aug 2011, 20:29
Justice Mogoeng Mogoeng is appointed Chief Justice and with that appointment South Africa reasserts itself as a bastion of moral rectitude.

South Africa rights groups condemn Jacob Zuma's choice of top judge | World news | The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/25/south-africa-jacob-zuma-choice-top-judge)

The photograph in the Guardian article is not that of the Judge.

On the appointment of a Chief Justice – Constitutionally Speaking (http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/on-the-appointment-of-a-chief-justice/)

26th Aug 2011, 05:07
Mogoeng Mogoeng

Henceforth to be known as judge moego! Of course his unwarranted "promotion" now means that Zuma can add potentially add another one of his cronies to the list of justices in the court. Slowly he will change the social and political 'complexion' of the court.


Solid Rust Twotter
26th Aug 2011, 07:27
de Vos is one of those backing up Tutu IINM. Makes you wonder just how confused the whole thing is in SA. So many factions jockeying for position, when it goes pear shaped there's going to be one hell of a bang.:(

26th Aug 2011, 07:53
Whats is the take on the upcoming SKA (Square Kilometer array) decision. SA got any chance?

Solid Rust Twotter
26th Aug 2011, 08:44
Pollies are hopeful, but then they probably stand to gain from it. Security in Oz may be a simpler matter than here. One particular VOR was stolen so many times they eventually moved it elsewhere safer and changed the entire set of plates. I've seen runway lights (portable) wander into the bush under their own power while on final approach, within three minutes of them being laid out for a medevac.

26th Aug 2011, 09:53
There's a school of thought, especially among huggy fluffy's that putting it there would help the nation as a whole, bit like the Gemini's etc in Chile. Could almost fall for that myself, except if the place was going to go the way Of Mugabe land.

26th Aug 2011, 10:12
On a more postive note ref. SA and the SKA.

16 August 2011 - The MeerKAT radio telescope being built by the South African team preparing South Africa's bid for hosting the Square Kilometre Array (SKA) has passed its first test with flying colours

Square Kilometre Array (SKA) Africa (http://www.ska.ac.za/)

26th Aug 2011, 12:09
On a more postive note ref. SA and the SKA.

The Chinese are busy assembling the rest of our 36 dishes, we also did eVLBI the other month once the fibre was hooked up.

26th Aug 2011, 13:01
Only one Gemini in Chile, rh200, the other's in Hawai`i (I was UK project manager for Gemini). ESO, VISTA and ALMA are the other biggies just now.

27th Aug 2011, 01:28
Only one Gemini in Chile, rh200

You are of course correct, sloppy language by me as always:sad:

Solid Rust Twotter
27th Aug 2011, 06:23
Doubt Joe Average will get much out of it, Mr Rh. No doubt there will be a land buying spree in the area if the ruling elite get wind of it going to SA and many new tenderpreneurs with ANC links will spring up to milk the new cash cow by loading prices and then getting in contractors to do the actual work.

27th Aug 2011, 06:59
That's Joseph Malema isn't it?

27th Aug 2011, 07:40
The biggest threat to SA's SKA bid is the potential use of fracking in the area despite what the politicians say.

http://www.iol.co.za/scitech/science/environment/fracking-will-not-jeopardise-ska-bid-1.1073583 (http://www.iol.co.za/scitech/science/environment/fracking-will-not-jeopardise-ska-bid-1.1073583)

The Ministry of Science and Technology has moved to assure the public that controversial plans for hydraulic fracking in the central Karoo will not threaten the country’s chances of hosting the world’s largest radio telescope – the Square Kilometre Array (SKA).

“We will ensure that the SKA is not jeopardised by the proposed fracking,” Deputy Science and Technology Minister Derek Hanekom said on Tuesday. “We will ensure that none of our environmental considerations, water, resource considerations, or our astronomy endeavours will be jeopardised by proposed hydraulic fracturing.”

Val"]http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46427:fracking-moratorium-extended&tmpl=component&print=1 (http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46427:fracking-moratorium-extended&tmpl=component&print=1)

Val Munsami, deputy director-general for research development and innovation at the Department of Science and Technology (DST), previously said the shale gas initiative leaves a big question around the SKA.

At a Parliamentary Portfolio Committee meeting earlier this year, he said the department is concerned about the exploration from an SKA perspective.

“In terms of international lobbying strategies, it's starting to creep in. The international partners are asking questions about where this is going and how it will impact the SKA.”


27th Aug 2011, 11:31
The biggest threat to SA's SKA bid is the potential use of fracking in the area despite what the politicians say.

:ok: Good to see both country's share the same sort of issue's. Our original site was centred at Milura station, a few hundred Km's east where it is now. Unfortunitly some company found it viable to mine Iron ore nearby, hence where the new site is. They have got all sorts of legislation protecting it now so in theory that shouldn't be a problem again

28th Aug 2011, 13:02
While Zuma continues to posture around the unfreezing of Libyan assets in SA and bemoans the fact that the West shows no respect for the African Union, that very union continues to give us reasons for its moral illigitimacy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/african-summit-raises-fraction-of-14bn-famine-fund-2345159.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/african-summit-raises-fraction-of-14bn-famine-fund-2345159.html)

African leaders have come under fierce criticism after a much-delayed African Union summit to tackle the food crisis in the Horn of Africa raised less than 4 per cent of the shortfall needed. Only four heads of state – from Ethiopia, Somalia, Djibouti and Equatorial Guinea – attended the meeting, designed to gather urgently needed funds to help save the nearly 13 million people now at risk of starvation on the continent.

Only 21 out of the 54 countries in the AU made pledges, with $20m of the $46m promised coming from three states – Algeria, Angola and Egypt. Aid groups say they need $1.4bn to meet the shortfall in tackling the emergency. Jean Ping, chairman of the AU commission, announced the summit had raised more than $350m, but the bulk of the sum was in fact a $300m loan from the African development bank and not a grant at all.

Small countries such as Gabon and the Gambia pledged sums way above what was expected from the size of their economies, but several bigger nations donated paltry sums. Aid experts are particularly disappointed with the amounts pledged from oil-rich countries such as Nigeria, which promised $2m, and from South Africa, supposedly the continent's economic powerhouse, which offered $1.3m.