Who wants to work for BA on the new fleet?

[ptc]

With all the talk of a new fleet on the horizon, it would be interesting to know who would want to work at BA when this comes along, bearing in mind the following:

Mixed Fleet Flying( how many of us would actually like this)
Different T+C's compared to current crew but still at least 10% above average.
To actually do the job you love and travel the world.

In my opinion , BASSA are being very narrow minded if they and anyone else thinks that BA will struggle to crew this new fleet. Come on guys, there are so many people who would be happy to work for BA no matter what!!:ugh::ugh::ugh:

[Juan Tugoh]

Sadly it is part of the BASSA doctrine that they are so poorly paid that no one would be prepared to do the job for less. It's a ridiculous standpoint and one that is likely to make them look foolish. I wish to see no one loose out financially here but unless there is some flexibility BASSA may paint themselves into a corner.

[mincer]

All very interesting stuff about today's meeting, hopefully the talks on thursday will bring some hope.

BASSA must realise that Willie and his chums have one objective and one objective only- profit to satisfy shareholders.

As we speak, The Rivers at BrainCrank is working on amassing the scabin crew that are planned to replace the cabin crew in the event of a mass strike.

Every day, 10 new cabin crew hopefuls are gleefully added to this strikeforce. Each of these is desperate to work for BA and come from other airlines including BMI and other 'premium' operators.

There is still a great swathe of opinion that the life of these new temps is going to be a long-held relationship with BA and that the 'temp' contract will 'probably' be made permanent.

Many temp crew on temp contracts are not being offered a new contract. Why? So there is a fresh batch of rosey-faced recruits ready to be indoctrinated with a rosey future lining up to take their places.

Use people for 11 months and then bin them- you can recycle these people.

Why is this happening? Why is all the nonsense about customer first and outstanding service being ultimately undermined by this policy?

Because in the event of a mass strike, Willie could probably just sack the lot of you.

Ok- unfair dismissal? See you in court. Months and months later you might get a paltry few grand compo- not even your job back. So? That cost is cheaper than keeping you pursers and CSDs with your perks isn't it? Willie wins.

This is happening NOW.

Let's say that 10 are being offered contracts every day mon-fri.
That's 50 per week.
That's 200 a month.
Let's say for simplicity 1000 every 6 months, 2000 per year.

You are safe for about three years.......

Watch my next thread for the only way for BASSA to save your jobs, your mortgages, your nice house in suburbia, your car, your subbuteo set, your van gogh replicas...........or whatever other luxuries WW thinks you are stashing away....

[bcnbarcelona]

FYI ptc,

You will be working to scheme:eek::eek:, without industrial agreement what it means you will be working like a horse for peanuts....scheme days off.... duty days in short haul up t 15.30 hours, bidding to scheme,.not overtime, flat hourly rate and performance related pay.. and so on!!!!!!!..better you have some savings before you start doing the "job you love" because you will be using those saving to see the world!!!!!!!:ok::ok:

[Ex Cargo Clown]

Good on BASSA,

if BA want to save 82 million, here's an idea, get rid of some of the useless cretins that masquerade as "management", that should save a few quid.

Do they still have "Manager - Bread Rolls Europe" on an MG grade ?

If there ever was a company that were "Lions lead by donkeys" then BA is certainly that company.

[747-436]

if BA want to save 82 million, here's an idea, get rid of some of the useless cretins that masquerade as "management", that should save a few quid.

I don't think that line of arguement can be used against BA seeing as about 400 went out the door at the end of last year.

[mincer]

BASSA - you must strike and take the whole airline down with you- this is your last chance....

[Have you heard this!]

Paid-off BA bosses get re-employed - mirror.co.uk (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/04/04/paid-off-ba-bosses-get-re-employed-115875-21252265/)

[Carnage Matey!]

duty days in short haul up t 15.30 hours

Go pick up your JPMs and see for yourself why you won't be working 15:30 days. I'll give you a clue, the reasons under the Flight Time Limitations section.

[rubik101]

If you haven't already seen the article in today's Times, this little gem of an extract should make you very wary!

BA has also proposed that new employees should have different terms and conditions with almost none of the benefits enjoyed by present cabin crew. Under these proposals, more than 2,000 crew could be taken on in the next two years, possibly employed by a separate entity modelled on low-cost carriers such as Ryanair.

[wobble2plank]

Rubik, don't forget the other cherries to be picked from the times:

The proposals are believed to be at the forefront of a cost-cutting drive under which BA wants to reduce its in-flight budget of £567.9 million by £82 million. Cabin crew are regarded internally at BA as having the best compensation package.

BA and Unite, the union that represents cabin crew, were at pains to play down any possible conflict with both sides saying that discussions were continuing. The airline said that the 32 proposals were ideas for discussion with staff and no decisions had been made about their implementation.

BA said on Monday: “Like all airlines, we have been hit by a worsening economic crisis and to respond to this we need to improve productivity and performance across the airline. Rather than present any firm proposals we have put together a list of ideas and opportunities on how we could reduce cabin crew costs.”

Unless of course you were at the BASSA meeting where, in their little time space continuum, this little economic depression doesn't exist.


From the replies, our LGW crew, ties in quite nicely with the first quote:

Please note this is just BA Heathrow Cabin Crew being put into line with T's&C's BA Gatwick Crew have been working with now for 2 years. We at Gatwick believe this is a fully justified move by management to finally get rid of the "fat cat" cabin crew contracts at Heathrow. LGW will NOT be striking.

Cabin crew must make intelligent, long-term choices. Choosing a Luddite mode involving industrial action would force BA to take radical action in reducing route structure and grounding aircraft, with a subsequent reduction in cabin crew jobs. BA crew have high standards, but can BA afford them ?

Seems that not all is cohesive with the BASSA approach and even Unite are shying away from the militant rallying cries of a few die hards.

[ptc]

'u will be working to schemehttp://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/eek.gifhttp://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/eek.gif, without industrial agreement what it means you will be working like a horse for peanuts....scheme days off.... duty days in short haul up t 15.30 hours, bidding to scheme,.not overtime, flat hourly rate and performance related pay.. and so on!!!!!!!..better you have some savings before you start doing the "job you love" because you will be using those saving to see the world!!!!!!!http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/thumbs.gifhttp://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/thumbs.gif'

Interesting comment:
Under the new fleet proposal, BA CC T+C's will be brought more into line with other Uk carriers

FYI I have just finished a Temp contract, and to be honest I have loved every minute and worked with some great people BUT I have been amazed at the aount of money BA have thrown at me for the past 11months! I have worked for many top uk carriers and have been worked alot harder for alot less money, YET I WAS STILL HAPPY!!!!

How can you honestly justify earning allowances of around £1000 for a SIN trip? At my previous airline this would be more like £200!!!

How can it possibly be right for some senior cc to be earning more than a first officer who has undergone years of intensive training AND has to be sim checked every 6 months???

Don't get me wrong, I think if BASSA and current cc who agree with them were to work with the company and on current t+c's maybe a 'new fleet' wouldn't be neccessary!!

The idea of 'bringing the company down' is just insane!!! Anybody who thinks like this doesn't deserve to work for the company!! Come on, there are very few jobs out their currently, do you really need to put your job at risk?

[KitKat747]

PTC,

To answer your question.

My niece would jump at the opportunity to work for them. She was made redundant after 2 years with her employer.

She's 25, pretty and speaks 4 european languages fluently. She's been to university. She is not an unskilled worker, she's a professional and has has a degree and a post graduate degree.

Life is hard on the dole at about £65 a week. Every job she applies for she does not even get an interview and has applied for jobs in restaurants and cleaning jobs, still not luck.

Yes she would work for BA and there are thousands of them like her out there who would jump at the opportunity despite whatever conditions and pay they offer. Anything is better than struggling on £65 a week with no prospect of employment. Sadly thousands of young people are joining her situation daily so there is no shortage of suitable people out there.

[ptc]

KitKat747-

Sadly in todays economic climate this is far too common. I hope your niece finds a job she enjoys very soon, and im sure Mr Walsh would love to have her and others like her working for BA.

To all the others :
Please just read the above post, please don't take your job for granted , there are so many out there who would love to do this job under whatever T'+C's are offered!