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laxrox43
1st Apr 2009, 18:32
Hey All,

I am a charter pilot from the US, looking into converting my ATP license to the Canadian equivalent and then apply with a regional/major carrier. I'm looking for information on how to fulfill the "Must have the right to work here" requirement.

I had a Canadian passenger yesterday that told me that all I have to do is apply for a 'skilled workers' work visa, and it should be no problem (it had something to do with the treaty between the US and Canada). He also told me that Pilots are on the list of 'skilled jobs' approved by the Canadian government. Is this true? I would assume that if this is not true, I would have to marry a Canadian girl to obtain dual citizenship, or "the right to work" in Canada.

I am having a hard time locating information on this matter, and I am asking for help, and for someone to steer me in the right direction. I appreciate any and all factual information.

Laxrox :ok:

skearns
1st Apr 2009, 19:39
The US and Canada have a reciprocol agreement when it comes to ATPLs, which makes it easier to obtain the other country's license without having to surrender your current license (from what I understand).

Transport Canada has information regarding their requirements. You will need a Canadian medical beforehand but I believe there are AMEs in the US who can also issue Canadian medicals.

As far as the Skilled Worker Visa, if it is true that pilots are included, I would like to know as well because I went through Migration Canada (a website that I do not know how legit it is) and took their online test which then said I did not qualify...even though I am a corporate pilot flying as a captain and have six type ratings...yadda yadda yadda.

So, if you find anything else out, please post!

laxrox43
1st Apr 2009, 20:09
I went on the same website, and I don't qualify either. I'm an ATP with only 1 type rating, but still, we both have the same basic qualifications. I'm hoping for some good, informative responses too...

777AV8R
1st Apr 2009, 21:05
READ:

Is my application eligible for processing?

In order for your application to be eligible for processing, you must either:

* have an offer of arranged employment, OR
* be a foreign national living legally in Canada for one year as a temporary foreign worker or an international student, OR
* be a skilled worker who has at least one year of experience in one or more of the following occupations:

0111: Financial Managers
0213: Computer and Information Systems Managers
0311: Managers in Health Care
0631: Restaurant and Food Service Managers
0632: Accommodation Service Managers
0711: Construction Managers
1111: Financial Auditors and Accountants
2113: Geologists, Geochemists and Geophysicists
2143: Mining Engineers
2144: Geological Engineers
2145: Petroleum Engineers
3111: Specialist Physicians
3112: General Practitioners and Family Physicians
3141: Audiologists and Speech Language Pathologists
3143: Occupational Therapists
3142: Physiotherapists
3151: Head Nurses and Supervisors
3152: Registered Nurses
3215: Medical Radiation Technologists
3233: Licensed Practical Nurses
4121: University Professors
4131: College and Other Vocational Instructors
6241: Chefs
6242: Cooks
7213: Contractors and Supervisors, Pipefitting Trades
7215: Contractors and Supervisors, Carpentry Trades
7217: Contractors and Supervisors, Heavy Construction Equipment Crews
7241: Electricians (Except Industrial and Power System)
7242: Industrial Electricians
7251: Plumbers
7252: Steamfitters, Pipe fitters and Sprinkler System Installers
7265: Welders and Related Machine Operators
7312: Heavy-Duty Equipment Mechanics
7371: Crane Operators
7372: Drillers and Blasters – Surface Mining, Quarrying and Construction
8221: Supervisors, Mining and Quarrying
8222: Supervisors, Oil and Gas Drilling and Service
9212: Supervisors, Petroleum, Gas and Chemical Processing and Utilities

Unless you meet all the criteria above, you'll be banging your head against the proverbial wall.

Canada is teeming with Canadian born and trained pilots. Some of our ladies and gentlemen are highly experience, many are graduating from many of our fine aviation colleges and flight schools. All of these people are vying for positions within our Canadian environment.

You can convert your FAA ATPL to Canadian documents, if you wish, however; at the end of the day, you will be standing in line at the very back, as Canadian talent is moved in front of you, just as it would happen to a Canadian pilot, applying south of the border.

Chuck Ellsworth
1st Apr 2009, 23:46
many are graduating from many of our fine aviation colleges and flight schools. All of these people are vying for positions within our Canadian environment.

Are you suggesting that a graduate from one of Canada's aviation colleges or flight schools are capable of competing with a high time airline pilot for a position as a pilot on a Jet?

Willie Everlearn
4th Apr 2009, 13:21
For me, it's simple.
Anyone can 'convert' their licence. Whether it's Canadian to FAA or FAA to Canadian. In fact, the JAA and Transport Canada have recently signed an agreement to accomodate the conversion of licences. We're just waiting for some boffins in Ottawa to sign it into law.

It's about immigration not pilot qualification.

Can an individual immigrate or not? If he/she can, then "the right to live and work in Canada" is a done deal. Regardless of ones professional qualifications.
You're lucky you can immigrate to Canada. We can't immigrate to the U.S. (check the list of eligible countries with your INS) Unless, of course, you are one of the eligible professionals and according to the INS, pilots aren't professionals. At least they aren't mentioned on their list of eligible professionals. Maybe if we hadn't burned down the White House back when, the Americans wouldn't have held a grudge for so long?

If Canadian pilots can't work in the U.S. then I for one, don't want U.S. pilots working in Canada. The same goes for our JAA buddies. Until all are treated equally on the world stage and the licences are 'accepted' by all 'signatories', what's ours is ours and the jobs in Canada are for Canadians.
:ok:
Good luck though.

billy34-kit
4th Apr 2009, 15:46
Don't worry with any type of regulation in Canada....it's a Joke, a real Joke!!!

Just look at Sunwing who are using ''cheap'' labor pilot from Germany to operate their flight.....without any impunity from the gouvernement!

During this time, tons of young fellow Canadian pilot are on welfare waiting for a brighter sunshine!

That's the Canadian ''regulation''!

SoloPilot
4th Apr 2009, 18:31
* be a skilled worker who has at least one year of experience in one or more of the following occupations:
4131: College and Other Vocational InstructorsPerhaps you could become a flight instructor, which is legally defined as a form of vocational instruction here. Once you've got the papers, get back to a job more akin to what you're doing now.

Probably a bit of a pain if you haven't already worked as one for a year, but if you really want to live here in the land of the eskimos :p, it might be worth it.

Willie Everlearn
4th Apr 2009, 21:26
When finding a flying job in Canada is difficult on a good day, why would any Canadian pilot even think of trying to help or advise a foreign pilot on how to get a job in aviation in this country??? It's a waste of time. No legal right to live here, you have no legal right to work here. :mad:
I have a full FAA ATPL. No legal right to live in, or work in the states. So, why ask PPRuNers how I get a job flying for an American carrier. DUH!?? :ugh:
No labour certification or green card, FORGET IT!!

Once he/she has the normal, legitimate immigration process completed (skip the fast track) and enters the country as a legal landed immigrant, he/she doesn't have the slightest problem getting a job in aviation in this country.
THEN, we can welcome and assist in the process. Not before.

What are some of you thinking???

SoloPilot
4th Apr 2009, 21:47
When finding a flying job in Canada is difficult on a good day, why would any Canadian pilot even think of trying to help or advise a foreign pilot on how to get a job in aviation in this country??? It's a waste of time. No legal right to live here, you have no legal right to work here. http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/censored.gif
I have a full FAA ATPL. No legal right to live in, or work in the states. So, why ask PPRuNers how I get a job flying for an American carrier. DUH!?? :ugh:
No labour certification or green card, FORGET IT!!

Once he/she has the normal, legitimate immigration process completed (skip the fast track) and enters the country as a legal landed immigrant, he/she doesn't have the slightest problem getting a job in aviation in this country.
THEN, we can welcome and assist in the process. Not before.

What are some of you thinking???http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/344/jobtake.jpg

:E Anyway.

Some of us don't care where you come from, and welcome others with good intention into our country. If someone asks for help, and I am capable of offering input that I think is useful, then I will. Laxrox, be assured that people like the poster above are a minority (whom is likely unemployed and looking for the nearest target other than himself to direct his finger toward), and most are more than glad to help. Good luck!

Willie Everlearn
5th Apr 2009, 02:45
I guess there's no need for Immigration Laws, Labour Laws, or Transport Canada licencing requirements then. Silly me. What was I thinking?

Why have a Country with a constitution and certain other guarantees for its' citizenry when people like you don't even respect the basics, and what about that border?

Solo Pilot, getcher sh*t together, will ya? Wake up and smell the coffee.

I'm gainfully employed, thank you. When buddy enters the country 'according to the laws' I'm sure we can give him/her all the help he/she needs.

Gimme a break? Our labour laws protect our citizens. Not foreigners (aliens). Pretty simple concept, eh? :ok:

larox,
To answer your question, converting your licence to Canadian won't give you the right to live and work in Canada just as converting your Canadian to FAA won't give you the right to live and work in the U.S.A.. With the pilot job opportunites in the U.S. and abroad your opportunities are far greater than up here in the Great White North. Not sure why you'd consider things up here when our job market sucks. Whatever your choice, good luck. :ok:

777AV8R
6th Apr 2009, 06:15
'Willie', nicely said in all your posts. My sentiments completely. We've got lots of good people here in the 'North' to fill the positions and until we get the ability to freely move to other countries and take the jobs, Canadians fill the positions here.
I'll hire a low time Canadian pilot over a more experienced foreign pilot. At least a local guy can show me where Yellowknife or Cambridge Bay is.

altiplano
20th Apr 2009, 19:46
I'm gonna' have to agree with Willie and 777.

As much as I appreciate an experienced colleague - where ever they may come from... Canadian jobs are for Canadian pilots... just as US jobs are for Americans...

As for the Sunwing rumours... if they are true and they aren't Europeans holding dual citizenship working those spots then it's a travesty. Sunwing should be ashamed and the personnel in Immigration Canada who approved Sunwing's "shortage of type-rated nationals" argument should be slapped.

Willie Everlearn
21st Apr 2009, 03:29
It's always worth looking at the past to find reason in the future. :confused:

Some of us licenced Canadian citizens "with" a B737 type rating may simply have no desire to work with/for certain individuals who seem to constantly show up at places like Sunwing, Royal, Zoom, Canjet, etc., who are nothing more than 'born again' carriers anyway, with different names and paint jobs. Who amongst us believes that Canadian Labour officials have even the slightest clue about aviation in this country and who's available to take a 737 job? Isn't it easier to listen to the carrier's HR department than actually get up off your lazy arse and check it out?

I'm sure Sunwing needs qualified and experienced pilots. But, whomever they look for to hire, he/she should at least be Canadian!

Bottom line. Who cares? The future of aviation in Canada is overseas.

Last one out turn off the lights. :ok:
best of luck to you all!
happily and gainfully employed,
Willie

Yobbo
21st Apr 2009, 13:33
WILLIE

You are right, I spent the last 20 years overseas. I have flown several types of modern equipment that most Canadians only dream of and have lived in some of the most wonderful places on the planet. Indeed the future of aviation is overseas for Canadians.

YHZChick
21st Apr 2009, 14:55
How convenient I'm a cute, single Canadian girl! :p

Seriously, though, I would do your homework before you put too much effort into heading north.

I'm sure it's the same in the US, but having a few pals who fly for the commercials, it's a tough, tough go here these days. More than a couple have left the industry altogether.

The morale at Big Red is in the tank, they are on the verge of bankruptcy protection, contract negotiations and I'm quite certain that they aren't hiring at all right now. WestJet, while a more profitable organization, is having their own issues.

I'm making the assumption that you are looking for something with one of the big guys, but if you haven't visited www.avcanada.ca (http://www.avcanada.ca) , you might want to consider popping in there to get a feel for the situation up here. (Not a ton of discussion here on the Canadian aviation landscape, and even the avcan forums aren't terribly active).

777AV8R
22nd Apr 2009, 00:57
Well, if he was doing any homework, he'd find that there are quite a few jobs, daoun saouth (southern twang). Have a look at the job boards down there and if WE had a green card and right to work down there, we could flood the market with good experienced pilots.

CM6966
22nd Apr 2009, 02:55
I have to agree with 777 and YHZ. I am Canadian going to school in US. No one would look at my resumes unless I have a green card. IS THIS FAIR? IT IS. If you have to keep your market with more US pilots why can't Canada keep the right for Canadian pilots?
Like Willie said last one out turn off the light.
CM6966

secret agent 86
22nd Apr 2009, 19:34
So let me get this straight...the consensus is that Canada is for Canadian pilots and US is for American pilots etc... yet in the same breath you say the future is overseas?? What to fly in another country? Surely going by your own logic, the country you go to has it's own nationals wanting to fly and you are taking their jobs?? Give me a break please.

777AV8R
23rd Apr 2009, 04:39
Well actually, you're partially correct, Secret'. Yes, Canadian aviation is for Canadian pilots, or at least it should be. We have more than enough qualified pilots inside this country to look after our own operations; and then some!

Having worked in the contract industry for many years, I can tell you that if it weren't for skilled foreign pilots in this world, many countries would not have an aviation industry. One only has to have a look at Emirates, Etihad, Qatar and numerous Indian airlines to understand this one. Many countries have not had the benefit of people within the workforce with enough skills, to move into the airline enviornment the way that foreign pilots have. The benefit of having a reasonably good aviation industry in Canada is the fact that this country produces some of the finest pilots in the world and operators worldwide have had the benefit of their expertise.

J.O.
23rd Apr 2009, 10:42
Lots of thread creep on this one, but after all, what is PPRuNe really for?:eek:

But since a few have chosen to hijack the thread and go on an uninformed rant, it's time to set the record straight on foreign pilots flying for Sunwing (and other Canadian carriers) in the winter. The carriers involved (and their Canadian pilots) benefit from reciprocal arrangements that allow Canadian pilots to work in Europe during the summer months. In all of these cases, there is a balance on both sides (one for one), and in at least one of these cases, more Canadians have traditionally gone to Europe in the summer than have come this way in the winter. And while the postings in Europe provide a full 6 months of work for virtually every position, many of the spots offered to our European colleagues are 4 to 5 months in duration, thereby swinging the "benefit" of these jobs further in our direction.

These positions help to support a significant increase in holiday charter demand in opposite seasons. More Europeans take their vacations in the summer, while we Canadians need our fill of vitamin D and cheap rum in the winter. It's a function of the marketplace that if the Canadian charter carriers didn't grow their fleets to meet this demand, it would be filled somehow. Air Canada and Westjet do not have the capacity to meet the increase in demand. So if someone didn't fill that demand here in Canada, we'd see more Canadians (particularly those living near the US border) going across the border and flying with a US carrier, which would do nothing to improve the employment prospects of Canadian pilots, not to mention all the others who benefit in these companies. Sunwing, for example, went from a fleet of 2 - 3 aircraft here in Canada last summer to 15 aircraft this winter. Their summer fleet will shrink again this coming summer. What are they (the company) supposed to do? Keep a 2 to 1 surplus of pilots on the payroll for the summer months with no work for the majority of them to do? I can gaurantee you that if Westjet, or Air Canada, (or BA or Southwest) had a two thirds decrease in their business in short order, their benevolence would not extend to the level of keeping all of their pilots on the payroll!

The reality, as hard as it may be for some to accept, is that these reciprocal agreements provide gainful employment for more Canadian pilots than we'd have if billy and Willie (how cute :O) actually had it their way.

secret agent 86
23rd Apr 2009, 14:29
J.O. I couldn't agree with you more.

777 I understand what you mean when it comes to supplementing countries with pilots when their own infrastructure doesn't support it. I've been contracting for a looong time and have been on both sides of the coin. I've been part of the regulatory body that had to decide whether to allow foreign pilots, and I've been a pilot with companies that employ foreigners in Canada. Not to mention I've also been a pilot on this reciprocal agreement in Canada from the point of view as a UK licenced pilot and a Canadian. I have over 5000 hours 737CL and NG time and applied twice to Canjet and heard nothing. Do I feel slighted that they have German pilots operating here....not at all. Am I upset that Sunwing have foreigners working here? No not at all. Aviation is global, it is no place to be a xenophobe.

Chuck Ellsworth
23rd Apr 2009, 15:18
The benefit of having a reasonably good aviation industry in Canada is the fact that this country produces some of the finest pilots in the world and operators worldwide have had the benefit of their expertise.

Care to back that claim up with some factual proof?

Last time I looked Canada had very low standards to become a pilot compared to for instance Europe.

Or do you mean Canada has a large pool of pilots who work in the bush flying industry and those who survive self training are good pilots?

Heli-Jet
24th Apr 2009, 01:02
CHC global has employed pilots from USA, UK, Australia, NZ, South Africa etc all for their international operations. Pilots come to Canada get their Canadian ALTP setup their company benifits and salary transfers. Then head back to their own countries. We do 6 on 6 off and head back to our home countries on time off. Surprised the canadian pilots haven't thrown their toys out of the cot on this one.

Willie Everlearn
26th Apr 2009, 02:33
I think some may have confused ACMI with the hiring of foreign pilots. They are not the same thing, IMHO.

ACMI is Sunwings' (and others) way of circumventing the real issue. I understand why they don't want to purchase or lease any more aircraft facing one of the most severe downturns in the airline/charter airline industry the world has ever seen. If they didn't ACMI, it would probably ensure their own demise.
ACMI? Good business and fair enough.

When operators take on additional aircraft through a lease or purchase and not through ACMI, they have to then go out and recruit, hire, train and put into service, legitimate Canadian pilots. They claim there aren't enough qualified (type rated) and experienced (4000 plus hours of international flying) Canadian pilots out there to employ. Which I don't doubt. But I say, at least use the ones that are there before you employ foreign pilots! Which I'm not convinced they're doing or even trying to do. Our guys and gals deserve to gain international flight experience too.

Believe what you want.
I for one, believe Canadian pilots should be employed by Canadian air carriers and if Sunwing or any other carrier in this country for that matter, directly hires a foreign pilot under the present environment should be subjected to the severest of fines and penalties for lying to the Government about the 'real' pilot situation in this country.
The situation is quite simply that THEY don't want to train Canadian pilots by having to provide a type rating (as witnessed by training contracts). Why? Because, some of those pilots they insist on stiffing, might leave. (...and they might go out of business)
To me, that's the real issue and that's not the same as an ACMI.
To me, that's not a legitimate shortage of qualified pilots and it's NO reason to directly employ foreign pilots either. :=

BTW, I totally agree with Chuck. If you think our Canadian ATPL is world class , I suggest you take a closer look. You might start by attempting the JAA exams or taking a 61.58.

Willie

J.O.
26th Apr 2009, 03:26
All of the pilots that Sunwing has "hired" are Canadian citizens. The foreign pilots flying for them are here on temporary deployments as part of their reciprocal aircraft sharing agreements. Same goes for Canjet and Skyservice. They aren't giving permanent employment to any foreign crewmembers.

Willie Everlearn
26th Apr 2009, 22:01
J.O.
Thanks for clearing that up. What all of this amounts to is simply an ACMI arrangement.

Unfortunately, there ARE those who DO employ foreign pilots AND provide assistance with immigration and labour certification. We have some in our organization, so I'll leave it at that.

Like I said, "If they didn't ACMI, it would probably ensure their own demise."

IMHO, carriers in Canada will (not might) fail in the months ahead so this discussion will be a moot point.

YHZChick
27th Apr 2009, 10:49
IMHO, carriers in Canada will (not might) fail in the months ahead so this discussion will be a moot point.

Care to elaborate on that?
WJA isn't going anywhere. Big Red, while experiencing difficulty (what else is new???), isn't going anywhere. Porter is expanding at a moderate and sustainable rate. Lots of other regionals and charters that are doing just fine.

No need to proclaim that "the sky is falling".

Left Coaster
27th Apr 2009, 12:03
Oh Chuck... notwithstanding your well publicized and long history with the Feds in Canada, I would suggest that the ATR a lot of us hold isn't as bad as you would suggest. Based on the one I hold, I have been given no less that 4 foreign ATPL's. (Yes I am an expat) and you might be very surprised to learn that the airlines I work for are well respected by the aviation community. By all means keep us informed about how you feel about the regulator, but stop belittling the licence, lots of very good guys I know use it to make their living.

777AV8R
27th Apr 2009, 13:49
Yes, Left', I agree with you. I've been a career contract pilot. When employers were looking for pilots and they found that I had a Canadian document, it was easy to find work because of the training and experience that I'd received.

When the time came to leave a contract position, it was easy to move on and find gainful employment elsewhere. As for me not taking someone's job...ironically, I trained 'their' pilots and as a result, trained myself out of a job! No hard feelings, that's what I'm there for.

In retrospect, any Canadians that I have have worked with, stand head and shoulders above most in the world of aviation. I don't say that just because I'm a Canuck. By virtue of our sphere of operations in this country, Canadian pilots are exposed to such a diverse set of environmental and geographical conditions. The knowledge that the Canadians bring to a foreign operator is rich and diverse and a foreign operator who hires a Canadian, by and large will be hiring someone who will be an asset.

As I said earlier in my posts, I'll hire a Canadian here in Canada, before I'd hire a foreign pilot to complete my permanent cadre in this country. When we run out of good talent locally, I might consider a foreign pilot, and that won't be any time soon.

Chuck Ellsworth
27th Apr 2009, 17:47
Oh Chuck... notwithstanding your well publicized and long history with the Feds in Canada,

My long history with the Feds in Canada?

Please explain what you are referring to?


In retrospect, any Canadians that I have have worked with, stand head and shoulders above most in the world of aviation. I don't say that just because I'm a Canuck.

Really? How about the flying skills of a large group who hold a FAA license, would they not be at least as good as a Canadian?

Willie Everlearn
27th Apr 2009, 21:15
YHZChick

While I don't think the sky is falling just yet, like many others, I read industry data on a daily basis, as well as financials. Particularly the airline industry (that's where i work) and oil prices (after the paperwork, that's usually what gets an aeroplane into the air). Before we get into it, I'm sure most aviators keep their ears pretty close to that kind of info as well. But, maybe each of us analyse the data differently?
If there's one thing I've learned over the last 30 years it's that we are a small country (population). We have far too many air carriers (for our population). We have an economy that really isn't what we might think it is, or think it should be. We have the tar sands, one of the largest oil reserves on the planet (despite Alberta's opinion on who owns what) and still we have a list of failed carriers the length of which is amazing for such an insignificant part of the overall global aviation picture.
(Google Peak Oil)
That said, based on what I read, see, hear and base my opinions on, it's going to get ugly. Based on the past (we're you paying a mortgage when we had 23% mortgage rates?) there's going to be some bad luck arriving soon at an air carrier near you.
As far as WHO? I'm not that smart. Sorry.
There used to be a national carrier called Sabena.
There used to be a national carrier called Swissair.
Air Canada was privatized years ago and our government is bailing out the auto industry right now. Don't hedge your bets just yet.

LC and 777

When I contracted overseas the interest in my being Canadian had much less to do with my ATPL than it did with my holding a Canadian Passport. Trips were rearranged occasionally because of destination and passport requirements which the assigned crew failed to meet.
In case you haven't noticed, lots of foreign pilots are immigrating to Canada to get that passport and continue working overseas. I've seen crew enter foreign countries with passport A, passport B, or passport C.
Look at the ads today for pilots. I see JAA/FAA/ICAO licence preferred.
What do you see? Canadian ATPL?
Our FLT OPS payed lots of bucks for crew Visas and entry fines.
The number of Canadians impacted? Zero. We entered so many countries without Visas or entry restrictions you wouldn't believe. One night stop we had to leave an Egyptian F/A and a Syrian L/M on the aircraft because they were refused entry to this particular country. After cash payment of a fine and many hours of negotiation, they were allowed to join the crew at their hotac.

I'm not so sure the licence is held in that high esteem. ICAO oversight pretty much sets the standards by which most signatories comply. Regulators such as the JAA and FAA (primarily the FAA) set their own standard.

Just talking out loud over here, and not necessarily looking for agreement or disagreement. It's strictly my experience and interpretation.
Enjoy.

Willie:ok:

Firestorm
2nd Jun 2009, 14:14
You could always come to the UK. Our airlines let anyone in ahead of a British Pilot: some have licences, and some can even fly too! I say this as a currently unemployed Englishman who would love to live and fly in Canada, knows where Yellowknife is, and could show you where Cambridge Bay is, and Resolute Bay, and has an immigration stamp from Eureka in an old passport from a trip a bit further North. And I learnt to fly in Gimli: how many of the septics know where that is? ;)

Airlifter
6th Jun 2009, 22:16
All of the pilots that Sunwing has "hired" are Canadian citizens. The foreign pilots flying for them are here on temporary deployments as part of their reciprocal aircraft sharing agreements. Same goes for Canjet and Skyservice. They aren't giving permanent employment to any foreign crewmembers.

J.O. - sorry to report, but CanJet DOES NOT have a reciprocal agreement when they bring foreign pilots into Canada. And Sunwing's reciprocity barely meets the definition.

Reciprocity works when it's legitimized through written agreements and quotas. Otherwise it's just a "free for all". And that is not good for the profession no matter what country you're from.

mustang06
9th Jun 2009, 02:43
Firestorm

Gimli is located in Manitoba.

Firestorm
9th Jun 2009, 07:32
:) Mustang!

By the way, 'septics' was not a spelling error...

Better to remain...
23rd Jun 2009, 13:42
Here in the UK at my airline we have many, many different nationalities.

British
French
South African
Kiwis
Netherlands etc

I for one have a JAA licence and would love to work in Canada.

Is it unfair that jobs here in the UK are taken by qualified guys and girls from the above countries? No, I dont think so. It is a global economy, and the right person for the job should be allowed, nae, should get the position based on an ability to do the job, not where they were born.

So, what do I need, as a Brit to live and work in Canada?

Any hlep much appreiciated. If that upsets some people, how about we job share? You can do mine for a bit and Ill do yours?

Regards,

BRS

MLS-12D
23rd Jun 2009, 16:05
Are you suggesting that a graduate from one of Canada's aviation colleges or flight schools are capable of competing with a high time airline pilot for a position as a pilot on a Jet?Read the first part of his sentence (strangely omitted in your post): "Canada is teeming with Canadian born and trained pilots. Some of our ladies and gentlemen are highly experience(d)".

His point was not that any Canadian pilot is better than any American pilot, but that there is no shortage of native talent in Canada.

Willie Everlearn
24th Jun 2009, 17:57
Better to remain

Since you ask, "Is it unfair that jobs here in the UK are taken by qualified guys and girls from the above countries?"
I suppose it depends upon EU agreements between the 12 member nations. Yeah? So I'd have to say that it's not unfair.

Canada is made up of 10 Provinces and three territories. For its' size, it would be unfair to compare us to the EU, so I won't. As Canadians, for me to say it's fair that a similarly qualified pilot from Alberta who gets a pilot job over me, being from a different province, ISN'T SAYING MUCH, is it? So how then does it matter if someone from a different EU country is offered employment over someone such as yourself when that's allowed by EU agreement?

"It is a global economy, and the right person for the job should be allowed, nae, should get the position based on an ability to do the job, not where they were born." While it IS a global economy, the last time I checked, each country maintained it's own soverignty, immigration laws and citizenship requirements. Much like:
the British,
French,
South African,
Kiwis, and Dutch, etc in your example.

The best suggestion I could give you regarding Canada is to simply pop into the nearest Canadian Consulate or Embassy (or go on-line) and see what you require to immigrate here. Complete that process and once you've landed here, convert your licence and send out your CV like everyone else.

Opinion varies within this thread, but simply stated, the short cuts don't work. They don't work for us. They shouldn't work for you. That's not news, it's just a reality.
This is a big country and we certainly have room for you and yours. But, do apply and follow the process.
I'm simply one who believes that pilot vacancies at Canadian carriers are for Canadian pilots. That includes pilots who immigrate through proper channels.
Give it a shot!

Willie (good luck in the future) :ok:

act700
26th Jun 2009, 10:43
"..........I am Canadian going to school in US. No one would look at my resumes unless I have a green card. IS THIS FAIR? IT IS......"


CM6966, fair or not, is only opinion! That's the law.
That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't look at you b/c you're Canadian.


What was this thread about again??

PatagonianProud
12th Jul 2009, 04:14
unlike the USA a Canadian corp or individual will give preference to a Canadian applicant even if the foriegner is more qualified. In the USA
they only look at the bottom line. One only has to look and ask themselves, why is it that to apply for an ATC job one must be a US citizen yet one can fly Captain in a US registered triple 7 with just a green card....:confused:

lk978
13th Jul 2009, 10:17
I am an Australian heading to Canada soonish with a Australian ATPL and FAA ATP. 2000 TT, 500 multi and 1200 Turbine (about 1000 on caravans, 100 on DHC-6, 100 on CE-525)

I am comming over on a working holiday visa (qualify because i am only 22), and was just wandering what the job prospects where with the above qualifacations