EK vs. Airbus?

[buzz&sntch]

Found an article after seeing Bloombergs ticker state that Airbus is "Intensively" addressing "Problems" with Emirates A380s.

Emirates unhappy with Airbus A380 | The Australian (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25189181-12377,00.html)

The 380 isn't nicknamed the 180 without reason. There are some heavy allegations in this article though. We'll have to wait and see the German article on Monday. Maybe an interesting drama.

[Flygulfair]

Its willl now be eaiser for Emirates to get out of the other 50+ orders :8

[buzz&sntch]

The Australian article infers that it's an EK financing problem just as much as technical difficulties with the planes, so if that's the case should have no problem delaying or cancelling the other 50 and the 17-18 Boeings as well.

[bus787]

So Instead of EK admitting they have no Money to PAy for the BIG BUS ORDER,they are trying to delay them by blaming airbus!!!

Isnt it always like this when you have delivery of a new design ??Things are expected to crop up after the deliveries start.

When will EK admit that 54 buses 380 was too much for anyone to handle.!

[Jet II]

So Instead of EK admitting they have no Money to PAy for the BIG BUS ORDER,they are trying to delay them by blaming airbus!!!



If EK cancel due to lack of money they have to pay penalties - if they cancel due to the 380 being an overweight, unreliable heap it's free..:ok:

[TopBunk]

Having operated into DXB in the last few days, can anyone explain to me how Emirates (and Etihad, Qatar and Gulf Air) plan to expand to the level they have indicated over the next few years given the airspace limitations in the Gulf area? It's fine building a new airport, but a hub-and-spoke operation with concentrated arrivals and departures may well overwhelm the ATC environment?

[Desert Diner]

can anyone explain to me how Emirates (and Etihad, Qatar and Gulf Air) plan to expand to the level they have indicated over the next few years given the airspace limitations in the Gulf area?

If you were to read the EK hype over the last few years, apparently, by the utilization of more hype!:rolleyes:

The bigger question back then was how exactly they were going to fill all those planes as they connected every inhabited continent via DXB.

[puff m'call]

Looks like the "FLYING PIG" isn't holding out too well.



Emirates unhappy with giant Airbus: report
AFP via Yahoo! News - 20 hours ago



Dubai-based airline Emirates is unhappy with its first four giant Airbus A380 aircraft, which showed manufacturing faults that forced flights to be cancelled, a report said Saturday.

[White Knight]

Maybe if they didn't fill it with water and spas it would work just as well as the SQ and QF 380s:D

[Fubaliera]

White knight probaly when Ek defaults on its payament Qatar will take them. Besides all the bull youi take about Qr we are the only airline with an open ckeck book

[Oxidant]

Hate to say I was not impressed with 'J' on the A380. Seat is far too narrow (even compared to Emirates 'J' on the newer B777 & A340/500) Try again, please!

[White Knight]

ummm 388 driver - my spa comment was 'tongue in cheek':rolleyes::rolleyes:

Fubaliera - why woud ek default on payments?? ek is making nice tidy profits every week, which I suspect is more that goat are doing, although as you say why bother making profits if you don't really need to?
And all the bull I talk about qr, well you guys are just too sensitive.............

[Fubaliera]

Yeash Ek is making so much profit that Abu Dhabi Had to bail them out. Maybe Qatar will bail them out next time.

[BuzzLightyears]

All these fancy new toys with tech problem on both side!

Why don't we stick with 777 and that's it! :)

[White Knight]

Fuba - EK wasn't bailed out by AD, Dubai was....

[kit330]

WK- and the difference is....:confused:

[EGGW]

I flew back on the 380 a few days back and must say i thought it was fabulous. Very quiet cabin, far less fatiguing than the roar on the 777. The F class suite was as standard, and the little bar at the front was very nice, especially the Paradis "hic"
The bar at the back of business was very busy and obviously popular.

Just my 0.02p

EGGW

[jackbauer]

Just to clear up a lot of ilinformed opinion over the last few months. This from todays Gulf News. It will probably disappoint a lot of people here who will have to move on to another rumour.


Abu Dhabi: President His Highness Shaikh Khalifa Bin Zayed Al Nahyan, has denied rumours that the Abu Dhabi government is seeking to acquire companies owned by the Dubai government and said there are misinterpretations about the relations between the emirates.

On rumours that the Abu Dhabi government is seeking to acquire many companies owned by the Dubai government, Shaikh Khalifa said there are wrong interpretations about the nature of relations between emirates of the Federation.

[alibubu]

Something else that will dissapoint a lot of you. Buisness 24-7 today.

http://www.business24-7.ae/articles/2009/3/pages/03162009_4265de701c784b7980b04db2e3c440b9.aspx

[White Knight]

kit330 - EK does in fact operate independently of the Dubai gov't and in fact most years pays a lot of cash to the gov't - unlike both QR and EY which are gov't backed and therefore survive on oil money. It's not so hard to figure out:oh:
Whatever illusions you may have about EK they do have an excellent commercial department and are still making a hell of a lot of $$$$$, just not the target profit that was announced last April... If you think it's all 'smoke and mirrors' you're doing PWC a big disservice...

[Oxidant]

I flew back on the 380 a few days back and must say i thought it was fabulous. Very quiet cabin, far less fatiguing than the roar on the 777. The F class suite was as standard, and the little bar at the front was very nice, especially the Paradis "hic"
The bar at the back of business was very busy and obviously popular.

Just my 0.02p

EGGW

Yup, t'was nice & quiet. F suites I agree (the same on 340/500 & revamped 777 are v. good) BUT 'J' was sadly not a patch comfort wise on other EK products as per previous post.............(just comparing apples with apples..........)

[kit330]

WK- I agree with u that it's independent per say..but end of the day if u're carrying the flag of the country on your tail than it's not 100% independent...n paying the gov lots of $$$ in the past is nothing new...all investors would want $$$ back for their investments, whether it's in the form of $$$ or indirect invesment back into its ecomony. if emirates was fully independent,it would have been listed on the DFM long ago!!! and the reason its not yet is for not wanting to disclose to the public sensitive issues about the company. end of the day if EK goes down(which of course that would never happen) the gov. will rescue it...which gov.(UAE or AUH or DXB) only ppl behind the action know...

[White Knight]

So K330 - you're saying then that BA is a gov't run airline 'cos the 'Union Jack' is on the tail of all the BA 'planes.. I don't think so!!!!!!!

Oh yeah - AA is operated by the US gov't 'cos it has 'American' painted down the fuse....:rolleyes:

[bus787]

Ali BUBU these repoorts and declarations do not mean anything.

How long have you been in the middle EAst??

Do we ever hear the real news around here.

Censorship to cover all F .... U...s is very evident .!!!

Do you ever beleive that any one of the guys around here will admit he is short of Cash ..no way.

Only pilots admit that hehe.

[kit330]

WK- that's not what I said...but you think for one moment that the UK gov. is going to let BA close shop then you must be leaving in la la land.( and they wont let that happen cos the union jack is on its tail !!!!....something to do with national pride!!!!...it goes for all nations mind you) you can call it bailout or nationalisation or buyout or whatever. end of the day same sh*t different name.. and about AA or even US Air...just b'cos the name american or US is on the A/C doesn't make it a national carrier. but then again how many times have they gone into chapter 11 and been bailedout or whatever other name you'd like to use...once again because its too big for the nation to let it go bust!!!

[jackbauer]

This thread is getting hilarious!!! Not that I give a toss about EK and its future but there are a few here who only want to wallow in bad news and damnation. If the news is good or even remotely positive then it must be lies. Is PPrune some kind of S&M fetish forum these days? In my experience these people are rarely right and always lack the metal to just up and go somewhere they would obviously be a lot (un)happier. The idea seems to be if I am unhappy then so must everyone else. Every airline has them I suppose and they just love an excuse like an economic downturn to round up a posse of like minded trolls. FYI I also got to sample the Emirates J class 380 and it was a country mile ahead of any other seat/service I have experienced. Oops a positive comment, someone is bound to claim I am management or just making it up, sorry to disappoint.

[Diesel Fitter]

"DUBAI, Mar 16, 2009 (AFP) - Dubai-based airline EmiratesEmiratesLoading... said
on Monday it remains confident in giant Airbus A380 aircraft, despite some
technical problems, and denied it had cancelled any orders.

"Our confidence in the A380 remains unchanged, it is an excellent aircraft and
feedback from our customers thus far has been very positive," the company said
in a statement received by AFP.

"We have no plans to cancel any orders."
Emirates says confident in Airbus (http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidANA20090316T115822ZPJJ75)

"Airbus A380 deliveries on schedule says Emirates
United Arab Emirates: 8 hours, 46 minutes ago
Emirates is refuting reports that it is delaying the delivery of some of the
Airbus A380 aircraft it has on order due to technical and financial concerns.
The airline said it is on track to receive seven of the super jumbos by the end
of the financial year ending March 31, 2010. Airbus' Middle East President,
Habib Fekih, said Emirates is due to receive its fifth A380 in April as planned
and the aircraft is already financed. "

Airbus A380 deliveries on schedule says Emirates | Aviation (http://www.ameinfo.com/188624.html)
Emirates, for its part says that it has the full confidence of the aircraft and
adds that the A380 meets the company's expectations.

Det foreligger ingen planer om kansellering av ordre.

There are no plans to cancel the order.

Airbus forsøker å løse problemer med Emirates A380 (http://www.hangar.no/news/120/ARTICLE/2614/2009-03-16.html)

[5man]

We have been hearing how crap the A380 is with EK. I am just wondering how are the planes with SQ and QA doing? Surely if ours are always on the ground, those over there are the same as well.....

Its funny how quiet it is this year when it comes to profit share and payrise. Guess there is nothing to say about it..............

[ODMEA]

For such a big bus driver in the industry you should know how to spell QANTAS not Quantas:ok:

The QF product is practical, simple and sophisticated. As you would agree two different markets..in the Middle East more is more in the West Less is more;)

Oddy

[White Knight]

k330 - chapter 11 is hardly a level playing field... Bail out crap management whereas in Europe we've seen both Swissair and Sabena fold, and Alitalia's only flying 'cos the Italian gov't pumps cash into it at a prodigious rate.....

Anyway - this has been a total thread creep... Personally I think the 'Big Pig' will come through with flying colours and in the long run make EK a lot of money..

[Von Richtofen]

Haven't you notice all those passenger wearing bathrobe, with towel wrapped around their head and sleepers in their feet, some one holding rubber ducks in their hands lined up in front the Emirates check in desk?

[PositiveRate876]

Having operated into DXB in the last few days, can anyone explain to me how Emirates (and Etihad, Qatar and Gulf Air) plan to expand to the level they have indicated over the next few years given the airspace limitations in the Gulf area? It's fine building a new airport, but a hub-and-spoke operation with concentrated arrivals and departures may well overwhelm the ATC environment?


The airspace can handle a lot more traffic than it currently handles, if it were simplified from its current archaic design, if the various facilities worked together (ex. OMDB and OMAE) and if enough controllers were hired. Investments such as PDC would also lead to freeing up controllers to control and not read flight strips.

All delays that are experienced by operators in Dubai are a result of the above factors and not actual system saturation.

[bus787]

ODMEA does this mean Australia is in the WEST??

Should nt it be the furthest EAST.!!!hehe

the fact that aussies have blonde hair ,speak English and are under the Queen does not make them from the West.

The Bush Cowboys are from the west !!:ok: