Swiss Air crew "not licensed" incident at TLV

[flipperb]

Swissair flight held at Ben Gurion as copilot lacks valid license (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1233304806388)

[eagle21]

Did he/she just forget it at home?

Also do all of you carry your logbook wit you whenyou fly?

[FlyMD]

According to a Swiss newspaper (tagesanzeiger.ch: Nichts verpassen (http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch)), the FO operates both A320 and A330 according to Swiss International's MFF (Mixed Fleet Flying) concept, and he (as well as the crew monitoring system) failed to notice he had not done the required number of approaches/landings in the last 3 month, thus invalidating his A320 rating.
Luckily, the crew noticed the problem on their own, and the captain decided to disembark the passengers. VERY embarassing, but I can't help but feel a little proud of them for playing fair instead of sneaking home and hoping nobody would notice :ok:

[RVF750]

Licence, passport, ALWAYS. Logbook? Nah.

[FlyMD]

Yeah, I do carry my (updated) logbook on every single flight. But then, I'm a corporate weenie, and responsible to keep my paperwork current.
Back when I was an FO for Swissair, the company was approved by the FOCA to log our flight time, so we neither carried nor filled our logbooks.
Dunno what the regs says these days... anybody?

[FrequentSLF]

SLF Here,

It might sound stupid...
We have to assume that the pilot did fly to TLV...was he licensed to fly to TLV?

[Silver Spur]

Does anyone know of any countries requiring Pilots to carry Log Book as for Passport and license?

[Denti]

SLF Here,

It might sound stupid...
We have to assume that the pilot did fly to TLV...was he licensed to fly to TLV?

Apparently that rotation is usually flown with an A330 and with one of those did the FO arrive in TLV the day prior to the flight in question. Due to low load factor the airplane planned for his return trip was an A320 in which he was not current in.

[Thin Albert]

at least only 67 pax as stated in the Tagesanzeiger:ok:

[FrequentSLF]

Apparently that rotation is usually flown with an A330 and with one of those did the FO arrive in TLV the day prior to the flight in question. Due to low load factor the airplane planned for his return trip was an A320 in which he was not current in.

Kudos to the crew to notice that before take off

[hawker750]

Why did they not just do a couple of circuits while the pax were having a coffee in the terminal and hey presto he is current again. Guess they can't think outside the box.

[Rwy in Sight]

How is he going to renew his type rating now? Can he fly an empty aircraft around for a landing or he has to take the exams again?

Rwy in Sight

[FlyMD]

Actually, doing the next 3 landings with a TRI should do it, if I remember correctly....

[Jofm5]

Is it the co-pilot's task to ensure that enough of the appropriate manouvres/landings are completed to maintain type rating ? Or does this vary from company to company with some companies taking this task on board themselves.

If it is the co-pilots task, apart from embarassment what would be the likely reprocussions of failure to comply to maintain type rating ?

Cheers

[69flight]

This has nothing to do with not being able to "think out of the box". You can go and fly circuits to become current again, but you need a TRI next to you to legally do that. Probably this captain was a regular line captain. So no choice here.

[IcePack]

CAA used to recomend not carrying your logbook incase something happened which destroyed the log book. Which would mean that they would be unable to check on experience flight times etc.,:hmm:

[woodpecker]

Quick Belfast and back, many years ago, three crew Trident, walking out to the aircraft the "one-ringer" turned to me and suggested "I'll do a manual throttle approach and landing on the way out and use auto throttle on the way back".

Assuming he had just cleared training I suggested he should ask the SFO, as the senior copilot, which sector he wanted to operate as P2 and which as P3. His response?... "but I'm cleared P3 and the training captain yesterday suggested I needed to do more manual throttle approaches"

Realising he was not cleared we did a 180 and returned to crew report. I asked the crew controller if he had completed his training. The controller, opening the training cabinet and thumbing through the files suggested "If he wasn't cleared there would be a training file here..."

At that point he found it!!

[27/09]

Does anyone know of any countries requiring Pilots to carry Log Book as for Passport and license?

In some parts of the world you are not allowed to carry your logbook with you if you are operating the service. Just like the aircraft logbooks cannot be carried on the aircraft they relate to. If there is a crash and all is destroyed there is no legal record of the pilots hours.

[Dani]

These days where you log your hours electronically, you don't have a logbook anymore. Or do you carry your PC with you?

Dani

[Dani]

Swissair flight held at Ben Gurion as copilot lacks valid license

btw it's not Swissair it's Swiss. Swissair has gone 2003.

[Private jet]

The world of aviation is truly going mad.......every week something expires...........................

[Wiley]

There's a certain large-ish airline where all training captains now wear four bars and a star (in an earlier age, a "badge of rank" reserved for Fleet Captains/Chief Pilots).

This idea that a TCI/TCE needed to be easily distinguishable from an MLC* (*mere line captain:)) came into being after an A330 reached an outport and the FO handed the captain, (an MLC), his training file. Much embarrassment, delay and expense later, TCIs and TCEs got their star to add to their bars - and just in case the trainee misses the star on the bars, they added one to the TCI/TCE's wings as well.

Rumours that Chief Pilots will soon be wearing aguilettes ("chicken's guts") on their right shoulders have not as yet been confirmed. Given the current economic downturn, this is considered highly unlikely unless these aguilettes can be found somewhere for free, perhaps as handouts by some cornflake manufacturer.