View Full Version : Is this a wind up??

27th Jan 2009, 11:41
Even though the Aeroscraft dwarfs the largest commercial airliners, it requires less net space on the ground than any plane because it doesn't need a runway. The airship takes off and lands like a helicopter, straight up and down.
This is not a Blimp. It's a sort of flying Queen Mary 2 that could change the way you think about air travel. It's the Aeroscraft, and when it's completed, it will ferry pampered passengers across continents and oceans as they stroll leisurely about the one-acre cabin or relax in their staterooms.
Unlike its dirigible ancestors, the Aeroscraft is not lighter than air. It's 14 million cubic feet of helium hoist only two-thirds of the craft's weight. The rigid and surprisingly aerodynamic body, driven by huge rear-ward propellers, generates enough additional lift to keep the behemoth and its 400-ton payload aloft while cruising.
During takeoff and landing, six turbo-fan jet engines push the ship up or ease its descent. This two-football-fields-long airship is the brainchild of Igor Pasternak, whose privately funded California firm, Worldwide Aeros Corporation, is in the early stages of developing a prototype and expects to have one completed by 2010.
Pasternak says several cruise ship companies have expressed interest in the project, and for good reason - the craft would have a range of several thousand miles, and, with an estimated top speed of 174 mph, could traverse the continental United States in about 18 hours
During the flight, passengers would view national landmarks just 8,000 feet below, or, if they weren't captivated by the view, the cavernous interior would easily accommodate such amenities as luxury staterooms, restaurants - - even a casino.
To minimize noise, the aft-mounted propellers will be electric, powered by a renewable source such as hydrogen fuel cells. A sophisticated buoyancy - management system will serve the same purpose as trim on an airplane, allowing for precise adjustments in flight dynamics to compensate for outside conditions and passenger movement.
The automated system will draw outside air into compartments throughout the ship and compress it to manage onboard weight.
The company envisions a cargo-carrying version that could deliver a store's worth of merchandise from a centralized distribution center straight to a Wal-Mart parking lot, or, because the helium-filled craft will float, a year's worth of supplies to an offshore oil rig.
'You can land on the snow, you can land on the water, 'Pasternak says. 'It's a new vision of what can be done in the air.'
Purpose - Long-range travel for passengers who are more concerned with the journey than the destination..Now this is really neat ! ! !
Dimensions (feet): 165' H x 244' W x 647' L

27th Jan 2009, 12:04
no, it's not a wind up.

They clearly state it will run on hydrogen fuel cells.

Lon More
27th Jan 2009, 12:21
From California - the land of fruits and nuts

27th Jan 2009, 12:24
I can foresee 'handling' problems in winds . . . (both at termini and en-route).

west lakes
27th Jan 2009, 12:28
Very reminiscent of Thunderbird 2 in shape:hmm:

27th Jan 2009, 12:32
Hmm. No apparent cockpit so "see and avoid" hasn't been noted by the designer.

27th Jan 2009, 12:36
I like it. I'd buy a ticket. I also like (if it's real) the inventive thinking, doing something new is always to be applauded.

Cruising over the Atlantic, strolling to the restaurant for a good meal then to the bar and watching the sea slowly drift along.

27th Jan 2009, 12:38
Possibly not so daft though. A dirigible that can carry, say, 1000 pax trans Atlantic to a holiday destination and take, say, two days, at minimal cost, allowing for the capital cost of the machine, fuel etc. may not be too far down the road if the "Greenies" get their hands on it!

27th Jan 2009, 12:39
Here's a working link to the Aeroscraft website.

AEROSCRAFT.COM (http://www.aeroscraft.com/)

Yup, California...the land of fruits and nuts. And Apple Computers, Scaled Composites, Silicon Valley, etc.

DARPA is behind this behemoth, and those guys know a thing or two about innovation...

27th Jan 2009, 12:40
watching the sea slowly drift along.

Bearing in mind the prevailing WX over the Atlantic, I think that would worry me!

27th Jan 2009, 12:45
Matari - Thanks a lot for the link mate.

Must admit, as the sketch forms my first thought was indeed of Thunderbird Two!

I'd love to have a go in one if it ever gets built!

Lon More
27th Jan 2009, 12:45
I think the first landing alongside a North sea Rig might also be the last.

27th Jan 2009, 12:49
Would it have to carry 'lifeboats'?

27th Jan 2009, 13:02
... just 8,000 feet below ...
8,000' ? No good for the mile high club then. :uhoh: :E

27th Jan 2009, 13:05
5280 feet in a mile . . .

27th Jan 2009, 13:20
To overcome handling problems during take-off and landing could they not fit it with variable angle/speed engines controlled by satellites? Similar to marine craft that have to maintain position in strong tides and currents

27th Jan 2009, 14:23
G-CPTN, 6,080 in real ones! :ok:

27th Jan 2009, 14:55
To overcome handling problems during take-off and landing could they not fit it with variable angle/speed engines controlled by satellites?What power of motors would be required to 'hold' such a large 'sail' in high winds? Certainly much greater than is being planned for propulsion.

green granite
27th Jan 2009, 15:26
Hmmmmmmm Airships + hydrogen............................ :(

Loose rivets
27th Jan 2009, 17:25
Even though the Aeroscraft dwarfs the largest commercial airliners, it requires less net space on the ground than any plane because it doesn't need a runway.

Maybe the fact that it's parked at an airfield could be a clue.:}

27th Jan 2009, 17:35
it doesn't need a runway
Maybe they could 'hover' over railway stations with passengers descending a rope-ladder?

It'll never get off the ground . . .

tony draper
27th Jan 2009, 17:43
Now that MS Flight Sim is kaput we will never see it in the air.:rolleyes:
That's probably all it will ever come of it,CGI of it lying over the Grand Canyon or summat.

27th Jan 2009, 17:59
I've always been amazed at some of the means of transport, people have used, to get from
A to B. Assuming this thing was viable, would 1000 people, a trip, actually want to fly in it? Someone must think so.

27th Jan 2009, 18:00
Nah! G-CPTN, it'll be Okay. All they need is a few P & W powered USN fighters, firmly secured to the deck, facing athwartships, at fine pitch and max boost. Remember boost? Remember how they brought the carrier alongside in "The Bridges at Toko-Ri"? Mind you, the Commander Air Group was not best pleased.

tony draper
27th Jan 2009, 18:08
Hmmm,400 tons of payload? that's a lorra bombs,40 Daisycutters ,perchance the military will show an interest.:E

27th Jan 2009, 18:26
Whatever happened to this?


27th Jan 2009, 18:56
To minimize noise, the aft-mounted propellers will be electric, powered by a renewable source such as hydrogen fuel cells.

(a) they haven't actually worked out how to power it, they have just suggested one possibility.
(b) they aren't aware that hydrogen is not a 'renewable' power source, it's just another fuel abeit a clean one at the point of use.

27th Jan 2009, 18:56
Better information about the project here:

Up, up and away: Airships, the next generation - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/10/23/new.airships/)

The US defence department gave the company $3.2 million to develop the concept, then withdrew. Using the initial research, the company is continuing on its own in the hope of finding something that is financially viable.

Every large modern airship company of the last few decades has collapsed, though, so it isn't an easy thing to sell.

27th Jan 2009, 19:01
1. The flight-deck was OK in pitch, save when the hull broke in sixteen pieces, but at all times terrible in roll;

2. It was a mistake to put the control tower at the far end of the runway.

Lon More
27th Jan 2009, 19:23
Looks like a hinge there in the middle, Mr. Rollingthunderm bit like a bendy bus

27th Jan 2009, 19:37

they aren't aware that hydrogen is not a 'renewable' power source

There is a great deal of interesting research around the production of hydrogen using "renewable" sources such as wind energy and solar photovoltaics.

NREL: Learning - Hydrogen Production (http://www.nrel.gov/learning/eds_hydro_production.html)

I have no idea whether or not this thing will ever fly, or if it is commercially or militarily viable, but I salute the pioneering spirit that conjures up such things.

27th Jan 2009, 19:44
To achieve fame, on initial launch of the vessel, as "the azimuth hinge".

A later development was "the elevation hinge".

Further refinement led to a series of combined azimuth-elevation hinges at 20' intervals known as "the double corkscrews".

A groove was then cut longitudinally along the flight deck, into which the pilots of arcraft alighting would feed a "keel" to mitigate the risk of sliding off to port or starboard. This called for finesse in rough, or even calm, seas.

The entire project was known as "Concorde 2" and cost about as much as "Concorde 1".

One blames the French.

27th Jan 2009, 19:44
Yes, it doesn't need a runway but it definitely need a wide open landing area with minimal obstructions and clear approach and departure paths. Now where would you find are area like that? Hmm, yes that's it, an airport!

I have to say I love the idea of it, but like all airships it's prey to high winds. So it would be grounded a lot. I love the idea of flying across the Atlantic in a leisurely way like the old Hindenburg but I don't like the idea of crossing France like the R101.

I'd say it's quite a practical idea though. But like Concorde it could never make it's development costs back.

27th Jan 2009, 19:52
flying across the Atlantic in a leisurely way like the old Hindenburg

Mind you, deplaning from the old Hindenburg on at least one trip was not at all leisurely.

27th Jan 2009, 20:00
I heard that FEDEX were interested in this lighter than air stuff and were intending to market it along the lines of

"when you absolutely need to get it there in a couple of weeks"