View Full Version : A380 AOG at LHR?
nolimitholdem
26th Jan 2009, 18:01
Just wondering how many there are this time, is it one or two? Not like you would hear anything about it from official sources. But there sure are a lot of 380 crew spending a lot of extra time in London these days, with their flights regularly being covered by Boeings...:ugh:
etops777
27th Jan 2009, 06:17
Qantas A380 also grounded in LAX. As I understand that B747-400 never had any problems when it entered service in 1988.
Qantas A380 grounded in Los Angeles - Travel - smh.com.au (http://www.smh.com.au/news/travel/qantas-a380-grounded-in-los-angeles/2009/01/26/1232818350222.html?sssdmh=dm16.357386&from=top5)
Vercingetorix
27th Jan 2009, 06:59
etops777
A tad unfair to compare a brand new Shiny A380 with a B747-400. Rather compare it to the original B747. i.e. That couldn't maintain height on 3 engines, couldn't taxi without overheating unless taxying into wind are a couple of issues that come to mind.
Cheers
etops777
27th Jan 2009, 07:43
Vercingetorix,
I think it was a fair comparison between a B747-400(it was new when it debuted back in 1988- with new engines, glass cockpit and a new wing) to an A380.
Cheers
ETOPS777
beachflt
27th Jan 2009, 09:03
Was booked on it yesterday, understand problem was an engine oil loss/leak, possibly requiring engine change. Don't know if it happened.
NoJoke
27th Jan 2009, 09:03
I don't agree Mr ETOPs. I have flown the 74-200, TriStar (lots of little 'planes as well) and now the 330. The 74-400 is not a 'new' machine, just an old tart dressed up. Didn't really enjoy the 74, especially compared to the 1011. :)
jackbauer
27th Jan 2009, 09:33
The 744 did not require re certification. A380 started from scratch so no comparison, the 744 was just a variant of the original Jumbo.
still wondering what's really new about the whale.
blown up 340, same technology on construction, engines, cockpit, .. - .. oh, I forgot the leaking shower, yes that's new.
listening to our engineers no one is really upset, as they sarcastically pretend it makes more money aog than flying ....
TURIN
27th Jan 2009, 09:48
As I understand that B747-400 never had any problems when it entered service in 1988.
You are joking surely?
It used to fall over on a regular basis. Umpteen EICAS messages popping up for no reason at all just before departure would cause lengthy delays.
Usually the only way to get rid of them was to reboot the a/c from cold. Not very professional when the craft is full of pax.
New technology takes a while to settle down, especially as the people flying and certifying them as fit to fly, are a bit short of experience on type.
Everyone errs on the side of safety until they 'know' what is a glitch that can be dealt with by a quick CB/Reset and what a genuine defect.
Be safe. :ok:
etops777
27th Jan 2009, 09:51
No joke,
I have flown B747-400 and it is not a "dressed up" 747. Apart from ECL and FBW, the automation on B747-400 is absolutely same as B777. I agree, L1011have had great technologies for an airplane from the 60s and people whom have flown it, including(DC10, B727) all had great remarks.
TURIN
27th Jan 2009, 10:17
I have flown B747-400 and it is not a "dressed up" 747. Apart from ECL and FBW, the automation on B747-400 is absolutely same as B777.
Boeing may well have designed it to appear to pilots as "the same", but it is a completely different animal.
Not sure where this is going ref A380 unservicability.
ironbutt57
27th Jan 2009, 10:22
The plot has been lost gents...new airplane = new headaches...doesnt really matter who makes it now does it...:bored:
Thazright
27th Jan 2009, 10:23
The B744 was recertified as a new type and not a variant of the old classic. Airbus has yet to produce a good airplane period. Airplanes certified many years ago neither had the luxury of CAD/CAM as they do now. Still with all the gee whizz stuff at their disposal now, the French can't produce a decent airplane. :ugh:
PS. In my years of flying the 4, not so much as an hours delay because of a technical. AOG? not in the 400's vocab! 380 - Pile of crap!
Ketek400
27th Jan 2009, 11:15
At least I am flying the 380!!! Love the beast! Period.
nolimitholdem
27th Jan 2009, 11:54
Relaxxxxxx...while I'm not above needling a Toulouse jockey from time to time, it's all in good fun. The 787 will no doubt give much fodder - already is - for the people who like to play "my airplane is better than yours". Any new type has teething problems - but I'm not sure one can blithely dismiss a ferry flight to HAM as a "teething problem".
Hence, since we're all "getting real", how about some hard gen about those problems? That was the actually the question initially. Perhaps comparisons to the introductions of other types can be a fascinating topic for another thread.
Right closing this one, before it descends into the usual Boeing Vs Airbus slanging match.
EGGW