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Buster Hyman
25th Jan 2009, 12:07
Yes, yes, done a million times (and I'm not exagerating) but I happened to stumble across my old A-Z of military aircraft the other day and....

...Gee, the F104 still does it foe me!:ok:


25th Jan 2009, 12:32
Yes Buster, the F104 did it for a few people as I recall.

Lethal Beast. :eek:

tony draper
25th Jan 2009, 12:57
Yer spiffing looking machine :ok:
Still holds the low altitude high speed record as far as I know.
I know a bloke who used to drive em.:E

25th Jan 2009, 13:23
Paging Wholigan to this thread! :ok:

This one does it for me:



25th Jan 2009, 15:01
in the landscape, that one. F-104. Speed is LIFE. And don't try to turn it.

It was an Interceptor, not a fighter.

F-14, nah, missiles. Fighter? Before the mission got usurped by the Pentagon? F-86. or its cousin with RR P-51.

25th Jan 2009, 15:18

25th Jan 2009, 15:59
Bad. RT, who could argue against the Mosquito.

(Anopheles brittania)


Captain Stable
25th Jan 2009, 16:11

25th Jan 2009, 16:18
Ah, the Mustang. We've had all this before!
Cadillac of the sky.
Made a good aircraft once they fitted the Merlin!!!!
AND drop tanks.

the incivil beast
25th Jan 2009, 16:26
RT, looks like you discovered the stealth mossie :E

Edited to add that it looks like the electrons finally managed to cross the ogan (the website is canadian) and the mossie is not invisible anymore

Captain Stable
25th Jan 2009, 16:27
Norm, that pic is the P51D - widely considered to be THE Mustang. Yes, Merlin engine, high vis ("Malcolm Hood") canopy, and drop tanks available (but not shown). Six Browning .50 machine guns, wing racks capable of carrying up to 1000 lb of stuff that goes bang on hitting the ground.

A real beauty.

25th Jan 2009, 16:31
Excellent flying machine Capt, but I always had a soft spot
for the Mosquito myself.
The old wooden wonder did it ALL.
And it was bl**dy rapid as well.
But a bit noisy to ride in!!!

The mounts for the drop tanks are still there I noted.

25th Jan 2009, 16:48
high vis ("Malcolm Hood") canopy
Errm NO. It's a "blown" canopy [also known as a Bubble canopy.] The "Malcolm Hood" was fitted to the P51B/C Razor back varients, [to give a better rear/downwards view. :ok:

Captain Stable
25th Jan 2009, 16:54
My apologies, chiglet - you are quite correct. The "Malcolm Hood" was similar in design to the Spitfire canopy.

25th Jan 2009, 16:59
Without the Mustang, the War was lost. The P-47 (Jug) hadn't the range to bird dog the bombers to Berlin, and with drop tanks, the 51 could make it there and back, or drop and fight, which was not often; the teuts seldom took on the Norte Americano, si? Adolf ended up underground to avoid the 500 lbers on the street above.

It started as the Apache, with an Allison engine and a birdcage cockpit. And it was built for you guys. We took it back after the improvements, and the Merlin was license built by yanks, at Packard plants.

Captain Stable
25th Jan 2009, 17:05
Leonard Cheshire flew one while he was C/O of 617 Sqn. in pathfinder role - he used it for initial marking of the target for the bombers to hit. On one occasion he flew figure eight pattern at extreme low altitude, telling the bombers to aim at him. :uhoh: :eek:

25th Jan 2009, 17:22
Leonard Cheshire, a remarkable man indeed!

25th Jan 2009, 18:10

Had to get in with this. :ok:

Beatriz Fontana
25th Jan 2009, 19:59
Only one word for this lovely thing: Phwor!! :ok:


tony draper
25th Jan 2009, 20:07
This is the lad,warts and all, big and burly all bumps and lumps and street fighter looks,pretty swift as well.:E
Twas also the mount of a pruner

25th Jan 2009, 20:09
Beatriz F

Absolutely.....just not a fighter.

25th Jan 2009, 20:12
fighter??? Smoky truck that took two counties of airspace to turn. Nimble, Not. OTOH, a friend flew FAC in one, a perfect target it was.

Beatriz Fontana
25th Jan 2009, 20:14

Watch me care. She's beautiful. :)

tony draper
25th Jan 2009, 20:21
Hmmm I seem to recal a couple of them got the better of my Fav one time,but we don't talk about that on Prune. :E

25th Jan 2009, 20:28

I agree

However, here`s my bid

YouTube - MiG-21 (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gHH-YI6Rj7w)

Krystal n chips
25th Jan 2009, 20:29
Erm Mr D, a rather unfortunate choice of piccie here....if that tail number is the same as the serial number XV 431, one, er, picked up the remains of a short but eventful last trip of said beast out of Bruggen...well as far as the end of the runway and Hill 60 (ish) area anyway. Only time, thankfully, I ever saw Martin Baker's products work as advertised.

One doesn't wish to disagree with a lady....however...have to say the Toom and the Bucc are equal Beatriz .....;):E

tony draper
25th Jan 2009, 20:35
I know Mr C, the Martin Baker exitee used to post on the trabby thread alas we don't see him now.:(

25th Jan 2009, 20:35
Perhaps not the best looking fighter, not well known in the European Theater of World War II, but probably the best fighter in the Pacific. In fact some have claimed that it won the air war in the Pacific.

The Grumman F-6F Hellcat.


Ten West
25th Jan 2009, 20:42


Right before Chuck Yeager punched a hole in the desert with it. :eek:

Chesty Morgan
25th Jan 2009, 21:17
You're all wrong!
Two offerings from Hawker

Howard Hughes
25th Jan 2009, 21:28
BIG engine, little aeroplane, what a combination!:ok:


25th Jan 2009, 21:30
Whistling Death.

tony draper
25th Jan 2009, 21:35
The Cousins called it the Ensign Eliminator.:uhoh:

25th Jan 2009, 21:48
This was also very good .


Chesty Morgan
25th Jan 2009, 21:53
Don't give me a P-38, with props that counter-rotate
They'll loop, roll and spin but they'll soon auger in
Don't give me a P-38!

25th Jan 2009, 21:58
Chesty, I think you'll find that your second picture was actually designed by a chap with the surname of Isaacs, not Hawker. :)

The real Fury was somewhat larger.

Chesty Morgan
25th Jan 2009, 22:05
Shy, good eyes, good spot:ok:

Still looks good though.

25th Jan 2009, 22:06
Mate of mine owned G-PFAR for a while ;)

25th Jan 2009, 22:09
This was very nice as well. A fine Hawker product.


25th Jan 2009, 22:09
Ah, Beatriz, not only do we share the same taste in music, but aircraft too! Le beautiful, ze buccaneer!

Some day one shall save enough money to go to Thunder City. And one shall pick the Bucc over the Hunter and the Lightning.

Loki - I like the Fishbed too :) The modern upgrades are pretty lethal, but the old ones (minus the spine) look the best.

RollingThunder - nah, among Hawker's products, THIS one was the best:


25th Jan 2009, 22:59
There is one fact about the F-6F that needs to be considered. The Hellcat had the higest Kill/Loss ratio of any US fighter in World War II. This includes the Army Air Force and the Marines, also in any thearter of operations.

25th Jan 2009, 23:24
One hell of an interceptor......still regretable after all these years.

A lot of the design blokes at DH went on to work on the US space program after the cancellation. I blame Diefenbaker and the american pres type.


Note aircraft at 9 o'clock, low


Ten West
25th Jan 2009, 23:29
Nice view from the back seat. :sad:

25th Jan 2009, 23:49
Sigh. The Arrow, the TSR2 and the Valkyrie. All of them the biggest "what if" stories of the aviation world. :sad:

25th Jan 2009, 23:51
Ah, a twin engine F-106 huh. :p

Lon More
26th Jan 2009, 00:00
You can't mention the Spitfire and not the Hurricane, which was possibly more succesful, all things considered


26th Jan 2009, 10:05
I do like my diddy jets - thoroughbreds of the skies


Howard Hughes
26th Jan 2009, 10:23
One for (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/A-4L-SKYHAWK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1326Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q 3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_ trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem330302004065QQitemZ3303020 04065QQptZMotorsQ5fAircraft) Dead Pan...:ok:

26th Jan 2009, 10:34
Oooo - very tempting. Anyone up for a part-share?

Buster Hyman
26th Jan 2009, 10:35
Yes...with a little touch of paint, I can see what dead Pan means...:E


Howard Hughes
26th Jan 2009, 10:56
Would love a share, but I'm beached as bro...:eek:


tony draper
26th Jan 2009, 11:09
That wee buggah packed a fair punch as well, those legs were so long so she could carry a single nuclear store.
You only need one.:E

26th Jan 2009, 11:51
Lots of pretty things here, but the sheer diaphragm rattling grunt of a brace of Lightnings scrambling from Coltishall from the perspective of a short-trousered Cheerio sometime during a 60's summer holiday, almost beats Kinnaird Head foghorn in full cry for a lasting impression. http://www.britishwalks.org/walks/walk_pics/Digital/20030907/Small/P20039078256.JPG There is an aviation link to that gratuitous photo of a foghorn though. My favourite is the Buccanneer (but does this make the cut as a fighter?) and they could often be seen in this frame belting seven bells out of some poor buoy offshore Rosehearty.

26th Jan 2009, 13:08
The DH88 Comet (not a fighter or an interceptor but?) ....
... not bad for 75 years old!

26th Jan 2009, 13:29
G-ACSS (http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/dh88/Comets/GACSS.htm)
YouTube - DH88 COMET OLD WARDEN 3/8/08 (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IH16oaqVgTs)

26th Jan 2009, 13:46
Had the pleasure of seeing the Comet flying in formation with a Mosquito, some years ago now at Old Warden.

26th Jan 2009, 15:38
Ahhhh! I have had a love of 'Grosvenor House' ever since I first saw it as a sprog.

We have had the Mosquito, how about its close relative the Hornet?


26th Jan 2009, 16:06
Or even Harry Hawkers beautiful Hunter.

26th Jan 2009, 21:50
I'd never heard of the de Havilland Vampire until I read that Frederick Forsyth short story The Shepherd (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shepherd), but I've found it hard to forget since... despite its lack of combat pedigree.


henry crun
26th Jan 2009, 22:02
You beat me to it S'land, the Hornet is top of my list.

henry crun
26th Jan 2009, 22:09
Howard, Did you take that photo ?

The museum in the background is now closed, and that area is undergoing major development with a new hangar, buildings, ramp, etc, for the NH90's.

Alpine Flyer
26th Jan 2009, 22:17
WW2 elegance: Messerschmitt Me/Bf 109 (slightly biased as my daddy used to fly one)
(second place to Spitfire for good looks, as P.51 looks a bit too much like a muscle car to me - nevertheless gave me the shivers to see 6 or 7 of them in the air together at Lakeland)

WW2 technology: Me 262

Postwar: Starfighter - it looks like speed and you could use the leading edge for a shave (although I don't like it without tiptanks)

(second place to F.5/20 for good, speedy looks)

Postwar technology: Saab Viggen (canard, shortfield capability, though a bit odd-looking)

Not really familiar with today's offerings.

26th Jan 2009, 22:20
The Fort guys didn't like this pup very much...



26th Jan 2009, 22:26
Here's another fabulous fighter from days gone by... until H had it's balls cut off by making it into a bomber.


26th Jan 2009, 22:38
When you have been flying a particular aircraft long enough, you find that you become a part of the aircraft, flying away for fun . . . .

. . . . and yet, when you had been flying this baby . . .


. . . long enough, the AIRCRAFT became an extension of your body!!

Subtle difference there . . . but aaah! Viva le difference!!

26th Jan 2009, 23:17
Aaaah well seekayess - the thing about that little aircraft is that it was actually smaller than any part of most people's bodies. You "put that aircraft on" rather than getting into it! ;)

26th Jan 2009, 23:23
WW2 elegance: Messerschmitt Me/Bf 109
....the Emil was my choice...

However, if we are talking real aeroplanes...then there is only one....
The English Electric Lightning :D
Fact...the Origional "Mission Profile" was between 9 and 14 mins :(

Fact...according to the Pilot's Notes, the "Still Air" range of a F.Mk6 was?

And the endurance was?

In "excess" of 3000 statute miles [cruise climb, shut down one engine]

Over 2.5 hours [with tanks]

Seen it, done it twitched...until the phone call

Howard Hughes
26th Jan 2009, 23:26
Howard, Did you take that photo ?
No just pilfered it from the net...:ok:

Lon More
27th Jan 2009, 00:13
FWIW the leading edges on the F104 wings were protected by cushions when on the ground
50/50 for protection of groundcrew/airframe.

27th Jan 2009, 00:16
I had 3 cuts on the forehead altogether from that leading edge. Must learn to duck more!