J* Australia

[DeltaT]

Well given the latest recruitment email from J*, making it clear those under the J* NZ AOC cannot transfer to the Australian J*, and that you are employed under NZ employment law/terms (aka J* will pay you less, and yes thats pilots too), exactly how do you apply to the Australian side of J*??

[Mr. Hat]

Any word on TC's?

[Spinner69]

Anybody have the link to the ad on the NZ Herald website? Cant seem to access it...

[Q300]

Ah yes, once again NZers or rather those who will be operated on the NZ AOC get the short end of the stick Ts and Cs wise. Same with Pacific Blue and I think JetConnect. Oh well :rolleyes:.

I remember J* took a full front page advertisement in the Herald last year... wonder how much that set them back? As for current job ads, I can't find it either.

[The Green Goblin]

And they'll all be crawling over each other like the seagulls in finding Nemo chanting "mine mine mine"

[NoseGear]

Your all over these pages like a rash arent you? You never have anything of substance to say, nothing of any worth to post.....Oh I forgot, you think, therefore you are...........:rolleyes: Your last dig at NZers, isnt that a bit rich, dont you think, when you consider you have VB, J*, tiger et al? :D:yuk:

Nice work:ok:

[Q300]

Aviation jobs are few and far between in NZ really. Air NZ can be a tough nut to crack and aside from them, there's really on Pacific Blue and JetConnect. The other options are the much lower paying GA and charter type ops like Vincent or the Skydiving guys or the air safari guys or instructing. You get the picture.

I know it's similar in a lot of places, hour building and such, but the aviation community in NZ seems to be particularly tight knit. More often than not, it's a case of who you know not what you know or even what you've done.

Gotta take what you're given really, especially after paying for your licenses, ratings, medicals, etc. When life gives you lemons, make lemonade.

[Sand dune Sam]

For years Australians have tried to get decent wages and conditions...a fair days pay for a fair days work...only to get eroded by NZ operators and NZ crew willing to work for allot less. Shame really.

[waren9]

For years Australians have tried to get decent wages and conditions...a fair days pay for a fair days work...only to get eroded by NZ operators and NZ crew willing to work for allot less. Shame really


Jetstar
Virgin
Jetstar Asia
Jet Connect
Pac Blue
Tiger
Jetstar NZ


Have another look Sam. I'm not seeing much Kiwi heritage here. Tell me again whos flying round in whos country offering sh1t wages? Three of these are domestic in Aussie and none of them are Kiwi.:yuk:

OTH, 3 of these, very shortly to become 4 are flying to or within NZ. Again, none of them Kiwi:yuk::yuk:

[Q300]

Yeah you sure about that Sam? I can't recall a case like you describe.

[NoseGear]

Thats right Sam, blame someone else.....once again....VB, J*, tiger, Qlink....and to go a bit further afield, the DEFOs joining CX on cheap conditions....rather makes a mockery of your trite argument. :D:hmm:

[Capt_CheeseDick]

Would be nice if you Kiwi floggas (the ones accepting any ol'****e for a step up, just because "the NZ industry is tight") stood together like your girlfriends (sheep) in your union to come up close to some sort of world standard T&C's like the rest of the world (& Air Nelson:D)!

[The Green Goblin]

Your all over these pages like a rash arent you? You never have anything of substance to say, nothing of any worth to post.....Oh I forgot, you think, therefore you are........... Your last dig at NZers, isnt that a bit rich, dont you think, when you consider you have VB, J*, tiger et al?

Nice work

You're just to easy to wind up :D

Some of my best flying mates are Kiwis, if you crossed the pond to the mainland and worked over here you'd understand the comradery. Just make sure you get your medicare card and centrelink forms on arrival in your first port :E

The flying culture in NZ is appalling, guys back stabbing each other, bitter, twisted, working for wages that are a joke. They come here with the same attitude but soon go troppo and turn into good blokes!

So get off your high horse and take my posts on the kiwis for what they are!

[myturn]

You have to agree with the Green Goblin on this one. NZ s full of hard done by, under worked, inexperienced toss pots. Just read the Air NSN thread. At least in OZ the guys have done a bit of decent GA time before they become toss pots.

MT

[framer]

Geeeez give our mates across the ditch a break would ya!
They have a different aviation industry over there, not as many remote towns, and not as far between them. A much lower average wage across all industries, not just aviation. I have flown quite a bit with kiwi crew and they are, much like Ausi's, mostly good blokes with the odd tosser thrown in.
There are more Ausi's flying around there now than ever before and more Ausi jet operators there than Kiwi ones. How often do you hear the Kiwis crying about that? I never have.
One thing that irks me here in Aus is how much time we dedicate to talking/moaning about terms and conditions.We're at risk of surpassing the poms in the whinging stakes I reckon.
Framer....out.

[VIRGA]

Framer the poms dont whinge anymore. They are so akin to taking up the.. that its become an acceptance. Over here they pay for the right to breath.

[Bizjets]

Hi @ll,
so what is the chance of getting a solid & serious information package on J* NZ please?:E
cheers!

[DeltaT]

Thats what we would all like to know, the reality is the information from J* says you will find out in the interview.

Looks like I can answer my original question having looked at the updated internet application re nz/auz J*. The NZ side is Auckland base only, so to get Auz conditions change your base preferences! -However they say Auz is not hiring ;-(

What happens to the pilots down in Christchurch? They weren't all Australians were they?

[glekichi]

Green Goblin,
The flying culture in NZ is appalling, guys back stabbing each other, bitter, twisted, working for wages that are a joke. They come here with the same attitude but soon go troppo and turn into good blokes!

and, myturn,

NZ s full of hard done by, under worked, inexperienced toss pots.

I must say, as an Australian that trained in NZ, worked there for 2 years, and then moved to Australia, that I have experienced just the opposite, and it was a bloody shock, too.

Oh, this is about everything except the joke wages in NZ.... agree completely with that!!

[Bizjets]

Okayyy, let's rephrase maybe...

[...] exactly how do you apply to the NZ side of J*?? :ok:

here may be the press article some of you guys were looking for:

Jetstar expansion to create 250 jobs - New Zealand's source for business, stock market & currency news on Stuff.co.nz (http://www.stuff.co.nz/4824802a13.html)

Any local contact would be greatly appreciated ;)

[The Green Goblin]

Hi @ll,
so what is the chance of getting a solid & serious information package on J* NZ please?
cheers!

mine mine mine mine :}

On a brighter note, 250 jobs in NZ would stimulate the industry pretty well and create some pretty fantastic opps.

[Sand dune Sam]

OK, perhaps I should rephrase what I meant. What I meant was, it seems Australian companies start up operations in NZ because they know that NZ'ers will work for less...less than what Australians do presently in their own country..are we all happy now?:{:{:{

[Fruet Mich]

I'm gonna have to agree with our Aussie brothers and sisters on this one, all apart from the sheep shagging. By the way there's no bloody sheep left over here! You beggers have got em all.

We're all to keen to to climb over each other to get that first jet job. Then when we get there, we all complain about how much our buddies across the ditch are getting paid compared to us poor wee kuwus.

Time we grew some balls and tell these operators coming over here to Nuw Zulund looking for cheep labour to get stuffed. What'll happen then? They'll have to either put Aussies in to do the job until us kuwus agree to fly their machines for the money that most other airlines are paying their respective professional pilots.

We're our own worst enemy. So we should shut up, stop complaining or like I said do something about it. I'm picking that won't happen because we're all to eager to get that first jet job.

I am interested to find out the pay scales. Could be quite humorous.

Peace ANZACS

[Mr. Hat]

Fruet, is the cost of living cheaper there in NZ? And what about other professions? Do they pay the same or less than Australia? It does seem that there is a steep difference..up to 25% less for Pac Blue..

[mcgrath50]

And come to that why don't all the top NZ drivers come over to Oz to earn the higher money working in an environment that dosen't sound like a primary school yard (just a high school one ;))

[Sand dune Sam]

Agreed fruet...the rest of you delicate little Kiwi flowers are just too sensitive arent you?

Jetconnect - Qantas D scale
Jetstar NZ - Jetstar B scale
Pac Blue - Virgin B scale

If you guys in NZ are determined to work for less to secure your elusive jet job then have the spine to not whinge and complain about what Australians get paid...a good start for you people might be to stop voting through ridiculous EBA's and collective agreements undercutting your mates at Jetstar, QF and Virgin, those Australian companies that are giving you Kiwis a job.:ok:

[waren9]

If you guys in NZ are determined to work for less to secure your elusive jet job then have the spine to not whinge and complain about what Australians get paid


Whos whinging? Its not the Kiwis, FFS

:ugh:

[who_cares]

Wasn't it the guys at VB that under cut the guys at QF, then the guys at JQ that under cut those at VB.

So its not only a kiwi thing.

[waren9]

Australians doing it for/to [delete however you see it] themselves.

:ok:

[okay then]

NZ s full of hard done by, under worked, inexperienced toss pots. Just read the Air NSN thread. At least in OZ the guys have done a bit of decent GA time before they become toss pots.


Quote by myturn

Better a toss pot than a sc@b

[standardbrief]

Alot of useless bickering here.

people turning down a job is unrealistic in todays climate, the way to equal pay is strong union membership and industrial action if needed. your always gonna win cause all your asking for is what everyone else gets.

when your working for the airline then youve got them by the balls if everyone sticks together

[The Green Goblin]

the way to equal pay is strong union membership and industrial action if needed

*cough cough*

your always gonna win

'89

*cough cough*

[johnny blue eyes]

Just a freindly reminder to all you guys and girls who are posting here and work for Jetstar or VB.
Each and every one of you have dropped your shorts and PAID MONEY for a job!!! I say again, PAID MONEY!!
Then you go out on line and earn considerably less than QF!
Seems to me we might want to be looking in our own back yards before flinging mud accross the ditch.

[toolish]

JBE,

Each and everyone of you have PAID MONEY, not me:ok: except airfares to the interview, I guess I have paid.

I believe that people in J* aust won't be referring to J*nz employees in the same way QF refer to porn star employees because no good can come from that attitude

We know the problem is with management not our soon to be colleagues.

[johnny blue eyes]

Yep, fair call Toolish.
To say everyone had paid was stupid on my part.
But a great many have paid and to talk about Kiwis working for less when a large portion of those people have nearly broken a pelvis trying to get thru the front door of an airline and cut them a check, is just wrong. I know this arguement is an ancient one, but to my mind paying for endorsements has been the sickening of aviation! NZer's being paid less is the least of our worries

[snoop doggy dog]

I'm confused :bored:

I thought there are just as many Aussie pilots flying big shiney jets around in NZ, as there are Kiwis? :eek:

Maybe I'm wrong.

I can remember working for a small airline in Oz a few years back, and a lot of the guys there were doing whatever they could to get a job with VirginBlue back then. Oh no! They were all Aussies! :ugh:

In general, Pilots do not stick together, and it's usually the ones pointing the bone at every one else that take the lesser paying jobs first. :E

A lot of the posts here are just rants. :=

[Mr. Hat]

just a kiwi bagging thread here. any info on the J* operation people?