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8th Jan 2009, 10:33
OK chaps, taking this story at face value, or not, as your case maybe, what had the brilliant model maker in mind?

Was it a Lanc or a Halifax?

Pictured: The amazing tin can bomber made by British pilot in Great Escape POW camp | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107802/Pictured-The-amazing-tin-bomber-British-pilot-Great-Escape-POW-camp.html)

8th Jan 2009, 10:49
Looks like a hybrid to me. Could be an attempt at a Lanc,
but Halifax influenced. A "Halicaster?:confused:

8th Jan 2009, 11:34
100 Sqn flew Lancs in WW2.

Let's face it though, you've been shot down, possibly lost some mates, transported across central Europe to a scheisshole PoW camp and treated like scum etc.

It's not as if you're going to get every rivet right in a model is it?

8th Jan 2009, 13:08
Can't see any Lancaster features in it that don't also apply to a Halifax.
I would say that it was a pretty good Halifax ; and a Mk 1 at that.

8th Jan 2009, 13:12
I agree with RETDPI, an early Halibag.

8th Jan 2009, 13:38
The triangular tail fins and the nose layout point to the Halifax, but angels makes a very good point about why it could be a slightly misshaped Lancaster.

A A Gruntpuddock
8th Jan 2009, 14:31
Just done a quick bit of research on Google and it is a Halifax.

The Lanc had a raised cockpit whereas the back of the Halifax cockpit was flush with the fuselage.

Heavy bombers (http://www.rafbombercommand.com/aircraft_heavy.html)

8th Jan 2009, 16:31
Just done a quick bit of research on Google and it is a Halifax.

The Lanc had a raised cockpit whereas the back of the Halifax cockpit was flush with the fuselage.

Heavy bombers (http://www.rafbombercommand.com/aircraft_heavy.html)

Yes, this one has Handley Page written all over it. Marvelous creation none the less.

Loose rivets
8th Jan 2009, 16:52
Don't want to throw in a downer, but it sums up this modern world when you see the huts of a POW camp alongside a collection of the most vacuous people on Earth, and an article about the most expensive haircut ever.

Captain Stable
8th Jan 2009, 16:54
Very definitely a Halifax.

As pointed out by Gruntpuddock, the cockpit is all Halifax, also the bomb aimer's dome is very different - compare the two pics:-

Halifax http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/101163-004-1F7FA612.jpg
Lancaster http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/YankeeAirMuseum2003/Sampler/CanadianLancasterBanking.jpg

Have found a FltSgt E. Taylor on ADF Serials - RAAF A66 Avro Lancaster (http://www.adf-serials.com/2a66.shtml) - scroll down to ME329 where he is listed as the FltEng on the a/c's last flight, to Brux(?) - but the date is wrong.

He wasn't one of the 50 Great Escapers who was shot by the Germans. Can't find a full list. Edit - sorry - I now notice he wasn't there in time for the Great Escape.

Also, while the markings are right for 100 Sqn, the squadron letters aren't.

8th Jan 2009, 18:20

A little more information - according to the internet (caveat emptor):

No. 100 Squadron RAF never operated the Halifax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_bomber).

Halifax serial LW338 ("DY-F", the aircraft depicted by the model) operated by No. 102 Sqn RAF was lost 20JAN44 (http://www.lostbombers.co.uk/bomber.php?id=9210). Mr. E. Taylor was not a member of this crew but may have operated the aircraft on earlier missions. Of particular note is the experience of the F/O Griffiths during the destruction of the aircraft.

Although the model is clearly a Halifax, the article states Mr. Taylor was shot down in August of 1944 whilst No. 100 Sqn began to re-equip with the Avro Lancaster in January of 1943 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._100_Squadron_RAF#World_War_II). Maybe he never really liked the Lancaster?

Regardless of which aircraft he operated, it would, as always, be fascinating to hear the details of what, when and where of Mr. Taylor's wartime experience.

As to which aircraft type it is meant to be, Maybe Mr. Taylor was designing his own ideal bomber. Bullet-proof with comfortable seats, heating and a functional bog?

8th Jan 2009, 21:19
Most definatelt Halifax. Look at the angle on the forward edge of the fin. Lanc has much smoother line to it.

9th Jan 2009, 09:15
It is a very good representation of a Halifax.

And I will be there on the 29th to bid on it.

9th Jan 2009, 09:29
Agree with the Mk 1 Halifax comment. As I recall, on later models, the forward gun turrent was removed to improve its performance, giving what most people would call the recognisable Halifax shape. If the man was an FE, it's not unlikely that he worked as an erk on Halifaxes (and thus knew them intimately) before transferring to aircrew.

9th Jan 2009, 13:43
Whether it's meant to be a Halifax or a Tiger Moth, when one considers it was made with the crudest tools and materials, in, errm, trying conditions, and presumably from memory, without the benefit of drawings or photos, it's a remarkable piece of work.

Buster Hyman
9th Jan 2009, 13:52
Maybe it was supposed to be a gun???

Hände hoch !!!

Captain Stable
9th Jan 2009, 15:00
Quite possible that the guy was in 100 Sqn when shot down, but had transferred from a squadron operating Halifaxes. If Mr. Taylor had flown in both Lancs and Halifaxes, I can't understand him preferring the latter to the former - according to a book I've recently finished reading, the Halifax Mk II & V (most of them) were a complete disaster compared to Mk III, being able to fly higher, faster, etc. The Mk II/V's were night-fighter fodder, particularly for Wilde Sau fitted with Schräge Musik upward-firing cannon. Many crews never found out about that cannon until after the war - RAF Intelligence, of course, did - but didn't tell the blokes up the sharp end.

sled dog
9th Jan 2009, 19:31
Just a thought, but if it was indeed made inside Stalag Luft 3, how was it carried during the forced marches west when the Russians were advancing ? Surely there were more important articles to carry, if possible ?
Perhaps it was really made after liberation ?
Great model, though.

Buster Hyman
10th Jan 2009, 02:43
Tail is a dead giveaway. It runs across the top of the fuselage on the Halifax, but through it on the Lancaster.

The nose resembles a Manchester though IMHO, (yes, I'm aware the Lancaster was derived from the Manchester):ok: