tiger xcld flights due nil crew

[SMOKENM]

Hey found out that the reason tiger have cancelled flights at the last minute....they have run out of crew dumbass or what..:ugh:.. 2 sectors this week with about 16 dealyed by serveral hours over the last week alone. :=Even the recruitment staff to adl were delayed by about an hour... keep the punters waiting on recruitment day... Now thats a first !!!!! by the way how come the MD is not telling everyone about the delays -- what has she worked out we dont really listen anymore....

[mostlytossas]

So what's new? All airlines from time to time suffer the same thing whether it be due to crew calling in sick at the last moment, late connections etc. I was delayed 4hrs on VB last year due to no cabin crew available. Apparently they were to come in from Melb but got assigned elsewhere so didn't turn up. Had to wait for the midday flight to arrive before we could get away. While the rule of thumb is the smaller the airline the greater the chance of this occuring it can and does happen to all of them.

[aussieboy]

Funny the media aren't all over this like they do to QF!! hmmmm....

[blackbird71]

....if they were that desparate for crew they wouldnt be asking applicants to "self sponsor" their endorsements.

[Aussie]

good post blackbird, couldnt have said it better myself!

[galdian]

So Tiger have a "lack of crew" due lack of applications because of the need to self sponsor??
Obviously you guys are insiders because from what I hear there are more than enough applications to consider - but you insiders would know better.

MAYBE the "problem" is that Tiger work to a true LCC model and have just the crew they require and can get by with - as additional is an unnecessary cost - and occasionally that might bite them in the arse.
Having said that anyone willing to put up their hand and say Qantas/VB/Ansett etc.... have never, and will never need to, cancel flights due lack of crew/the right crew in the wrong port etc etc????

You may WANT to make the lack of crew at Tiger about self sponsorship .....................if only wishing made it so! :ok:


And yeah, I know.....Ansett will certainly never have to. :(

[walaper]

Galdian ,of all these applicants they have how many are suitable and how many would bother.:)

[Capt Fathom]

Eventually, even the monkeys get sick of peanuts! :E

[galdian]

walaper
so all the applicants to Qantas, VB, Vaus, Jetconnect, Pornstar (both small screen and large screen!) Skywest et al (you get my drift) are ALL totally suitable to be employed and all would accept poste-haste should an offer be made tomorrow??

Glad you cleared that up - strange only Tiger is getting so many dud applicants, seems against the odds but.....with grace I bow to your superior inside information. :suspect:

Capt F
I beg of you - please - enlighten us to your inside info regards Tiger so that I may correct my misperceptions.
Whilst I doubt your premis - that they are monkeys - they are individuals who read their T&C's and signed.
If they leave - can anly assume the contracts allow them to and Tiger have served their purpose.
Of course no-one ever leaves Qantas, VB, Pornstar(s) et al - do they??

So your point is....?? :hmm:

[galdian]

apologies, forgot:
walaper
here's a minefield if you want to go for a walk................

define "suitable."

Brave man (or stupid) if you do - but it's still a free country! ;)

cheers
galdian

[74world]

G'day,

Anyone knows if Tiger are still looking for DEC? and who to contact?

Thank you in advance.... :cool:

[framer]

I'm sorry 74World but I see you are wearing sunglasses inside. You are not suitable to work with us here at Tiger. (None of the other pilots can afford sunnies and would get mighty jelous....sorry)

[galdian]

Hmmmm
Certainly a most......unexpected......way to define "suitable", framer.

"You idiot, it's not about the qualifications, it's all about the sunglasses!! ;)

Maybe a tad unfair - I'm sure even the Tiger boys could afford the rayban knockoffs you can find in various delightful destinations in SEA!

Cheers :ok:

[walaper]

galdian, i am sure you are correct that all major companies have "more than enough applications "to consider but that doesn't equate to enough suitable as defined by their HR, PPM , Ops Dept or whatever equivalent they have.Or would you suggest that every one gets the nod. Now take a couple of deep breaths an asprin take a lie down and chill out.

[walaper]

suitable adjective satisfactory or right for a particular person, purpose, or occasion etc.

[galdian]

ah walaper
you're showing your youth (lucky bugger): the old saying used to be "...now have a bex, a cup of tea and a good lie down!"

My understanding is they have enough suitable applicants to consider whether for DEC, F/O upgrades to command or entry as F/O, depending on what the needs of Tiger are at the time; can only imagine the general slowdown and some airlines parking planes (hopefully only temporarily) will increase the pool of "suitable" applicants.

Now off I go for my "..bex, a cup of tea......etc." ;)

[74world]

Guys, is anyone able to any my previous questions (DEC and who to contact) without talking about "sunglasses"?....

[Sunstar320]

According to Tony Davis:
The cycle has thrown up some opportunities, and right now I’m probably getting 50 applications a day from US-based pilots saying, ‘Give us a job’,” Tiger’s chief executive Tony Davis told the Sydney Morning Herald.
USA Airlines better watch out!, soon there will be no pilots left!.

This thread has gone haywire by the way..hit the CLOSED button

[walaper]

Ah galdian I do recall the old bexs or there was also the vincents terribly hard on the kidneys.Back to the thread, i would suspect you are close to the money as for example DJ are only recruiting on their E-jet at 80% of 737 pay which i am only guessing must be close to tiger pay. I am sure an A320 is more attractive than an E170/190.

[Sunstar320]

DJ are only recruiting on their E-jet at 80% of 737 pay which i am only guessing must be close to tiger pay. I am sure an A320 is more attractive than an E170/190.
Chalk and Cheese.

[11percent]

"E-jet at 80% of 737 pay which i am only guessing must be close to tiger pay."

Hmm. lets see. A Tiger FO is on a base of 75k + flight pay of $36 per hour, so at say 800 hours thats 800*36=28800+75000=103800.

What is a E-Jet FO on?

[UNOME]

I actually attended a little event in Sydney last year and I observed a “feeling no pain” CEO Tony Davis being asked two questions by a Tiger pilot wannabee…

Q. Do you have enough pilots?

A. The “Business Model” dictates that we run two Capts and two FOs short and we don’t pay our pilots anything extra for working on days off to cover the short fall. We do not give them any pay rises and it saves us around 2 million a year across the entire company! Anyway if I want another pilot I shake a tree and a Monkey falls out.

Q. Are you sure that not serving the other two major “cash cows” in Australia (SYD/BNE) is wise?

A. I know what I am doing…

The CEO didn’t shake the tree and the conversation ended. :ouch:

[AnQrKa]

Unome,

With all due respect, your quoting of the answers given by Davis - Bollocks.

At least try to use some genuine info when placing an argument you shmuck.

[Sunstar320]

Is it true that ADL charges more than BNE? Yet they fly to ADL.... There is something stopping Davis from entering BNE, cant be landing fees. Certaily time someone gave Virgin a run for their money..

[UNOME]

AngryQrka,

With due respect, I wouldn't have thought the CEO would have time for PPRuNe?

I standby the quote with no malice intended.

In fact, these statements have been repeated by a number of Tiger personnel.

You have called me a shmuck and denounced my version as bollocks, YET you do not offer what you claim to be the "genuine" version of events.:confused:

[VIRGA]

Sooo really what are the real problems with regard to working for Tiger?

Before anyone answers this please dont mention the old arguement with regard to paying for ratings...thats been done to death.. Lets just presume for one second that they did endorse you...so what now are the problems?

The pay isnt comparable it seems to other A320 FOs. What about Captains?
Whats the roster like? Whats the pension like? Sby cover? Block sby? etc etc.

Can somebody just put the details on here and let the facts do the talking. No opinions possibly...

[Tidbinbilla]

Let's get back on topic.

Are Tiger cancelling flights due crew shortages: Yes or no?

TID

[Sunstar320]

Do QF cancel flights with lack of crew: YES, does JQ: YES, does DJ: YES and does TT: YES

So why the hell does one Tiger cancellation need a thread???? Mabye I should post a thread for each of my 5 cancelled DJ flights for nil crews:*

Just another beatup by "SMOKENM" who started the "Sydney announced on Wednesday" crap

[Keg]

I suspect that there is a significant difference between canceling a service due to disruption resulting in subsequent lack of crew and not having enough crew to meet the scheduled flying in the first instance. In QF at the moment there is occasionally the former. There is not the latter.

Whether or not that is also the case for Tiger is the question.

[airtags]

Whether Tiger, QF, DJ, JQ or anyone else - if they are short crew and drivers let's hope they just get on with it and employ some locals.

Let's not make too much of a big deal out of it - canx happens everyday for almost every airline. The last things any of us need however are -
a) more imported crew
b) a lack of market confidence from the pax/punters
c) beating up of non issues

Have not heard too many squarks from disaffected passengers - maybe the pax are a little more realistic than we are these days? (or Toaday Tonight used it's only vision of Tiger on Westy's beat up the other night)

AT

[Enema Bandit's Dad]

Might have something to do with many of the passengers being mindless bogans. :ouch:

[BPA]

Why are people comparing the pay rate of a 78 - 104 seat aircrarft to a 180 seat aircraft. Shouldn't we compare apples with apples ie B737 to A320.

To amuse those who whish to compare a smaller aircraft to a larger one;

Ejet base pay Level 1 $76640, Level 2 (after 500 hours on type) $83608.

Overtime pay over 71 hours per roster period = $88 per hour for level 1 and $96 for level 2.

Working on day off paid a min of 5 hours at the above rate.

Overnight allowances total $115.05.

Roster's are 28 day roster with a min of 11 days off in 28.

So using the above example of 800 hours per year;

Level 1 FO could earn $76640 + (1.7 hrs over 71 per month) x11 = 1645.6 + 3 overnights per month ($3796.65) = $82082.25

Level 2 FO could earn $90572.65

Now if the FO worked on one of their days of per 28 days (would still get 10 days off per 28) they could earn (Level 1) $86922.50 (Level 2) $95852.65.

And don't forget the base wage increases by $3000 on the 1st of July.

So come July a Level 2 Ejet FO would only be within $5000 of a Tiger A320 FO,with no back of the clock flying and still home 10 or more days per 28.

If you compare the 737 FO wages you will find they are getting $5000-10000 more easy.

[KABOY]

At the end of the day read your base salary on your payslip. That's what any financial institution will do to calculate how much they will lend. All the other stuff is superfluous.
Airlines are wising up with increasing incidentals and not base wages as these items offer significant cost savings!!

[viking320]

Hi anyone,
Requesting the address of tiger airways office in Melbourne where the chief pilot and others work.
This would be much appreciated.
Thanks in Advance
Viking

[wardog]

74,

Check out the Tiger website, www.tigerairways.com.au (http://www.tigerairways.com.au), select Australian/ english for the aussie site, click on about us, careers.

All of the details are provided there, as an alternative try contacting Tiger by telephone, a google search in the australian yellow or white pages may suffice.

Attention to the Chief Pilot or Head of Training and Checking.

They are after Captains at the moment for the mentioned reasons in this thread. But they aren't as desperate as some might make out.

Viking,

I would suggest contacting them, they are usually willing to give you their time, you will not get very far by simply turning up, it is not a GA outfit despite many opinions.

If you already have an interview contact them for the address, needless to say it is a short walk from terminal three.