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henry crun
23rd Dec 2008, 07:54
More and more people seem to think it is necessary to quote the immediately preceding post when replying.

I do not know why they do this, perhaps they think we will have forgotten what was in that post they are replying to.
If this is the case I can assure you that if we are following the thread we will NOT have forgotten, and even if we had, there it is, just above, to remind us what you are referring to.

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease folks, give it a rest.

ORAC
23rd Dec 2008, 08:05
I do not know why they do this, perhaps they think we will have forgotten what was in that post they are replying to. Sorry, what was that again? :8:8

treadigraph
23rd Dec 2008, 08:22
Does amuse me to see a lengthy and considered post quoted by the next person in its entirety with simply "I quite agree" written underneath, the next quotes both and also agrees... I've even seen posts filled with pictures "quoted" directly underneath by somebody who writes "hey, great pics".

Don't see that on PPRuNe much (or at least, not the pages I frequent) but on one of the other aviation sites it is rife!

Arm out the window
23rd Dec 2008, 09:13
Don't tell me how to live my life, man ... you're repressing my rights as an individual. Like, chill out, cat.

x213a
23rd Dec 2008, 09:24
but on one of the other aviation sites it is rife!

On ******?!:ok:

Obviously chairliners.net.

treadigraph
23rd Dec 2008, 09:34
No, F*****t actually...

Sorry, should I have quoted your post?:ok:

MagnusP
23rd Dec 2008, 09:40
Succinct quotes can help with context, particularly in a busy thread where one's reply ends up several messages below the actual message to which one is replying.

Poster A types "Sweet".
I'm trying to reply "Me too!"
In the meantime, poster B has typed "Sour" and submitted it before I got my reply in.

See? :bored:

Alloa Akbar
23rd Dec 2008, 10:45
Nobody quotes me cos I talk total bollocks:(

goudie
23rd Dec 2008, 10:53
Nobody quotes me cos I talk total bollocks

AA feel better now?

Alloa Akbar
23rd Dec 2008, 10:54
AA feel better now?

well.. less inadequate:}

BDiONU
23rd Dec 2008, 10:55
Nobody quotes me cos I talk total bollocks:(
I'm fluent in it!

BD

Rush2112
23rd Dec 2008, 11:20
More and more people seem to think it is necessary to quote the immediately preceding post when replying.

I do not know why they do this, perhaps they think we will have forgotten what was in that post they are replying to.
If this is the case I can assure you that if we are following the thread we will NOT have forgotten, and even if we had, there it is, just above, to remind us what you are referring to.

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease folks, give it a rest.

I totally agree with you.

Flap 5
23rd Dec 2008, 11:27
How do you quote a post? Do you have to use javascript progamming to insert the quote? The 'edit' button just gives me a blank window to type in without the post I have clicked on the 'edit' button for. :confused:

Alloa Akbar
23rd Dec 2008, 12:12
blimey Flap, 404 posts and you have never quoted another poster?? you are most definately a self opinionated barsteward!!!:}:p

Flap 5
23rd Dec 2008, 12:26
Why thank you Alloa Akbar.

It's no wonder you don't get quoted with a comment like that. :=

Union Jack
23rd Dec 2008, 12:35
Nobody quotes me cos I talk total bollockshttp://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/sowee.gif

AA - Isn't that a rather sensitive subject?:ok:

Jack

Grayfly
23rd Dec 2008, 13:12
My contributions usually just end a thread, so that's the end of this one........

unstable load
23rd Dec 2008, 13:27
My contributions usually just end a thread, so that's the end of this one........


Please explain....;)

goudie
23rd Dec 2008, 13:51
My contributions usually just end a thread, so that's the end of this one........

That's cheered me up, I thought it was just me.

Alloa Akbar
23rd Dec 2008, 14:56
Goudie - That's cheered me up, I thought it was just me.

Is this turning into a conspiracy theory?:eek:

Jack - AA - Isn't that a rather sensitive subject?

Rather... but lets not..

Flap 5 - It's no wonder you don't get quoted with a comment like that
Whereas you sir, do get quoted, as a shining example of humanity to all of us scum (Quoting Rab C Nesbitt)

This quoting thing is pretty good for padding out dead threads isn't? Now back to the conspiracies...:p

Capt.KAOS
23rd Dec 2008, 15:04
Now back to the conspiracies...http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/tongue.gif"A conspiracy is nothing but a secret agreement of a number of men for the pursuance of policies which they dare not to admit in public". (M.Twain)

Davaar
23rd Dec 2008, 16:27
I do not know why they do this

Because I can. It is a simple accomplishment, but for a long long time it was beyond my skills, and I knew the big boys mocked. I do it at every opportunity. They may still mock, but not because of this.

Storminnorm
23rd Dec 2008, 16:45
I can't figure it out, but I don't care! :confused:

Tone
23rd Dec 2008, 18:22
More and more people seem to think it is necessary to quote the immediately preceding post when replying.

I do not know why they do this, perhaps they think we will have forgotten what was in that post they are replying to.
If this is the case I can assure you that if we are following the thread we will NOT have forgotten, and even if we had, there it is, just above, to remind us what you are referring to.

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease folks, give it a rest.

Sorry but I've lost the thread of this thread.

Ah, now I remember, supposin the person replying has alkimistselzermiser and can't hold the preceding post in his/her head. Quotes are useful then to remind

err, it's gone off the top of the screen now.
Bugger.

merlinxx
23rd Dec 2008, 19:35
Can you remind me please?

BDiONU
23rd Dec 2008, 20:59
I can't figure it out, but I don't care! :confused:

Tis terribly simple. If you clicked on 'reply', the URL (Universal Resource Locator) in the address bar would read "http://www.pprune.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=4608422&noquote=1". If you simply knocked the number 1 off the end (backspace does this very nicely) eh voila, ici! As if by wide world internet magic your post is displayed as a quote and can be diced n sliced as appropriate. Alternatively one could go for yea olde alchemic method of using HTML with [quote] and the same thing with a forward slash in front of the quote. Very difficult to demonstrate though.

BD

Dushan
23rd Dec 2008, 21:52
Tis terribly simple. If you clicked on 'reply', the URL (Universal Resource Locator) in the address bar would read "http://www.pprune.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=4608422&noquote=1". If you simply knocked the number 1 off the end (backspace does this very nicely) eh voila, ici! As if by wide world internet magic your post is displayed as a quote and can be diced n sliced as appropriate. Alternatively one could go for yea olde alchemic method of using HTML with and the same thing with a forward slash in front of the quote. Very difficult to demonstrate though.

BD

Got it:ok:

Overdrive
23rd Dec 2008, 22:12
Originally Posted by Rush2112

Originally Posted by henry crun http://static.pprune.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/355620-use-quotes.html#post4607590)
More and more people seem to think it is necessary to quote the immediately preceding post when replying.

I do not know why they do this, perhaps they think we will have forgotten what was in that post they are replying to.
If this is the case I can assure you that if we are following the thread we will NOT have forgotten, and even if we had, there it is, just above, to remind us what you are referring to.

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease folks, give it a rest.

I totally agree with you.


I also agree.

TRC
23rd Dec 2008, 22:17
Quote:
Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by henry crun http://static.pprune.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/355620-use-quotes.html#post4607590)
More and more people seem to think it is necessary to quote the immediately preceding post when replying.

I do not know why they do this, perhaps they think we will have forgotten what was in that post they are replying to.
If this is the case I can assure you that if we are following the thread we will NOT have forgotten, and even if we had, there it is, just above, to remind us what you are referring to.

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease folks, give it a rest.
I totally agree with you.
I also agree.
I don't agree.

frostbite
23rd Dec 2008, 22:44
All these folk agreeing with each other on Jet Blast, it just ain't bleedin' nachural.

I'm quoting myself there.

Dushan
23rd Dec 2008, 22:53
All these folk agreeing with each other on Jet Blast, it just ain't bleedin' nachural.

I blame the French. That should break the spell of this unnachural agreements....

Arm out the window
23rd Dec 2008, 23:18
Quotes can also be used creatively to subvert a message - the following are all from the originating message:



quote More and more , people Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease I can assure you I think it is necessary

Dark Knight
23rd Dec 2008, 23:32
Quotations.
When you quote others, you're expected to quote them exactly, right down to the spelling, capitalization, and italicization. If you change anything, you have to signal it to your readers. The most common ways to do this are with [brackets] for additions and ellipses (http://www.pprune.org/e.html/lellipses) (. . .) for omissions. (Newspapers sometimes uses parentheses instead of brackets, but brackets pose less risk of confusion.)

If, for example, your source mentions things that are irrelevant to your argument, you can cut them, as long as you note the fact. Suppose your source reads, "The summer, as noted on p. 327, was one of the hottest on record." That bit about p. 327 doesn't matter a whit to your readers, so you can omit it, indicating the omission with an ellipsis: "The summer . . . was one of the hottest on record." If, on the other hand, your source mentions an "it" or a "she" that's explained elsewhere, you can supply the missing reference in brackets: "Prosecutors said [Ms Patel] stabbed her husband in a rage at their modest one-bedroom Baltimore apartment." Or suppose your source has someone speaking in the first person and present tense, but your narrative requires it to be in the third person and past tense, you can make those changes, but you have to indicate them. Suppose your source reads, "I hate to walk through my neighbors' yard." You can adjust it to read "[He] hate[d] to walk through [his] neighbors' yard."

If too many brackets or ellipses threaten to make the passage clumsy, consider rewriting or paraphrasing the whole thing. There's usually no need, for instance, to begin or end a quotation with a bracketed interpolation: given the source

I hate to walk through my neighbors' yard.

you can just move the initial pronoun outside the quotation marks:
He "hate[d] to walk through [his] neighbors' yard."

Ditto for cases where you omit the beginning or end of a passage: if your source says

Moreover, as we have already seen, the Spanish language is rich in words derived from Arabic, a Semitic language unrelated to the Indo-European languages

you can trim it without ellipses at the front or back: "the Spanish language is rich in words derived from Arabic." Other minor adjustments like that often make sense.

There are a few exceptions to the general rule about exact quotation, cases where you're allowed to make "silent" changes to your text (that is, without drawing attention to them):

If the original source uses 'single quotation marks (http://www.pprune.org/s.html/lsingle)' (inverted commas), you can silently change them to "double" as appropriate.

If the original source's system of putting punctuation marks (http://www.pprune.org/p.html/lpunctuation) inside or outside quotations differs from yours, you can silently adjust the punctuation.

If the original includes footnote references
or parenthetical citations, you can silently omit them.
Some house styles (http://www.pprune.org/h.html/lhouse) allow you to change the capitalization of the first letter in a quotation without indicating it: if, for instance, you begin a sentence with a quotation that comes from the middle of your source's sentence, you can silently change the lowercase to a capital letter. Other style guides say you should use [B]rackets around any letter that changes case.

Obsolete typography — the "long s" (the one that looks like an f), "running quotation marks" (those that go down the lefthand margin), ligatures like ct and st — should almost always be changed to reflect modern usage. If you decide to modernize the spelling in any other way, though, you should indicate it somewhere.

Any other departures should be indicated with [brackets] or ellipses.
When you quote prose, of course, the line breaks of the original will change to suit your own typeface and margins. When you quote poetry, however, you have to preserve the line breaks and the capitalization of the original. There are two ways to do this: either use a block quotation (http://www.pprune.org/b.html/lblock) that preserves the original lineation and capitalization —

My mistress' eyes are nothing like the sun;
Coral is far more red than her lips' red;
If snow be white, why then her breasts are dun;
If hairs be wires, black wires grow on her head

— or, if you choose to run the quotation in the text, use slashes to represent the line breaks: "My mistress' eyes are nothing like the sun; / Coral is far more red than her lips' red; / If snow be white, why then her breasts are dun; / If hairs be wires, black wires grow on her head."

From the Guide to Grammar and Style (http://www.pprune.org/index.html) by Jack Lynch (http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/)

DK

Dark Knight
23rd Dec 2008, 23:34
Single Quotation Marks.

In general American usage (http://www.pprune.org/u.html/lusage), all quoted material goes in "double quotation marks"; if you need a quotation inside a quotation (http://www.pprune.org/q.html/lquoteinquote), use 'single quotation marks' (also called "inverted commas") inside: "This for quotations, 'this' for quotations inside quotations."

There are a few fields — philosophy and linguistics among them — where 'single quotation marks' are used for special technical purposes. Unless you're working in one of those fields, though, quotations inside quotations are the only place for single quotation marks — don't use them to highlight individual words or to draw attention to figurative expressions, slang, or nonstandard usage. If you're not quoting, don't use quotation marks. [Entry added 3 Jan. 2005; revised 5 July 2005.]

Guide to Grammar and Style (http://www.pprune.org/index.html) by Jack Lynch (http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/)


DK

Arm out the window
23rd Dec 2008, 23:55
Nice work there, Dark Knight. I'm just not sure about that poetry though:

My mistress' eyes are nothing like the sun;
Coral is far more red than her lips' red;
If snow be white, why then her breasts are dun;
If hairs be wires, black wires grow on her head


I bet his mistress was pleased to hear what he thought of her!
"Jeez darling, I really like the way your dun breasts set off those black wires growing out of your head, and your lips are way less red than coral is. Now how about a shag, eh?"

Rush2112
24th Dec 2008, 01:24
I don't agree.

Why don't you agree? Are you French, perchance?

noosariver
24th Dec 2008, 05:58
Goudie - Quote:
That's cheered me up, I thought it was just me.
Is this turning into a conspiracy theory?http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/eek.gif

Jack - Quote:
AA - Isn't that a rather sensitive subject?
Rather... but lets not..

Flap 5 - Quote:
It's no wonder you don't get quoted with a comment like that
Whereas you sir, do get quoted, as a shining example of humanity to all of us scum (Quoting Rab C Nesbitt)

This quoting thing is pretty good for padding out dead threads isn't? Now back to the conspiracies...http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/tongue.gif


I agree with some of these quotes, but not others. But don't quote me on that.

BDiONU
24th Dec 2008, 06:44
Since we're getting into more esoteric things, like what and how to quote may I present my guide on writing.

A guide on how to write good:

1. Always avoid alliteration.
2. Prepositions are not words to end sentences with.
3. Avoid clichés like the plague -- they're old hat.
4. Employ the vernacular.
5. Eschew ampersands & abbreviations, etc.
6. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are unnecessary.
7. Parenthentical words however must be enclosed in commas.
8. It is wrong to ever split an infinitive.
9. Contractions aren't necessary.
10. Do not use a foreign word when there is an adequate English quid pro quo.
11. One should never generalize.
12. Eliminate quotations. As Ralph Waldo Emerson once said, "I hate quotations. Tell me what you know."
13. Comparisons are as bad as clichés.
14. Don't be redundant; don't use more words than necessary; it's highly superfluous.
15. It behooves you to avoid archaic expressions.
16. Avoid archaeic spellings too.
17. Understatement is always best.
18. Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement.
19. One word- sentences? Eliminate. Always!
20. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake.
21. The passive voice should not be used.
22. Go around the barn at high noon to avoid colloquialisms.
23. Take the bull by the hand and avoid mixed metaphors -- even if a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed.
24. Who needs rhetorical questions?
25. Don't use commas, that, are not, necessary.
26. Do not use hyperbole; not one in a million can do it effectively.
27. Never use a big word where a diminutive alternative would suffice.
28. Subject and verb always has to agree.
29. Be more or less specific.
30. Placing a comma between subject and predicate, is not correct.
31. Use youre spell chekker to avoid mispelling and to catch typograhpical errers.
32. Don't repeat yourself, or say again what you have said before.
33. Don't be redundant.
34. Use the apostrophe in it's proper place and omit it when its not needed.
35. Don't never use no double negatives.
36. Poofread carefully to see if you any words out.
37. Hopefully, you will use words correctly, irregardless of how others use them.
38. Eschew obfuscation.
39. No sentence fragments.
40. Don't indulge in sesquipedalian lexicological constructions.
41. A writer must not shift your point of view.
42. Don't overuse exclamation marks!!!
43. Place pronouns as close as possible, especially in long sentences, as of 10 or more words, to their antecedents.
44. Writing carefully, dangling participles must be avoided.
45. If any word is improper at the end of a sentence, a linking verb is.
46. Avoid trendy locutions that sound flaky.
47. Everyone should be careful to use a singular pronoun with singular nouns in their writing.
48. Always pick on the correct idiom.
49. The adverb always follows the verb.
50. If you reread your work, you can find on rereading a great deal of repetition can be by rereading and editing.
51. And always be sure to finish what


BD

henry crun
24th Dec 2008, 06:58
Since we're getting into more esoteric things, like what and how to quote may I present my guide on writing.

A guide on how to write good:

1. Always avoid alliteration.
2. Prepositions are not words to end sentences with.
3. Avoid clichés like the plague -- they're old hat.
4. Employ the vernacular.
5. Eschew ampersands & abbreviations, etc.
6. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are unnecessary.
7. Parenthentical words however must be enclosed in commas.
8. It is wrong to ever split an infinitive.
9. Contractions aren't necessary.
10. Do not use a foreign word when there is an adequate English quid pro quo.
11. One should never generalize.
12. Eliminate quotations. As Ralph Waldo Emerson once said, "I hate quotations. Tell me what you know."
13. Comparisons are as bad as clichés.
14. Don't be redundant; don't use more words than necessary; it's highly superfluous.
15. It behooves you to avoid archaic expressions.
16. Avoid archaeic spellings too.
17. Understatement is always best.
18. Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement.
19. One word- sentences? Eliminate. Always!
20. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake.
21. The passive voice should not be used.
22. Go around the barn at high noon to avoid colloquialisms.
23. Take the bull by the hand and avoid mixed metaphors -- even if a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed.
24. Who needs rhetorical questions?
25. Don't use commas, that, are not, necessary.
26. Do not use hyperbole; not one in a million can do it effectively.
27. Never use a big word where a diminutive alternative would suffice.
28. Subject and verb always has to agree.
29. Be more or less specific.
30. Placing a comma between subject and predicate, is not correct.
31. Use youre spell chekker to avoid mispelling and to catch typograhpical errers.
32. Don't repeat yourself, or say again what you have said before.
33. Don't be redundant.
34. Use the apostrophe in it's proper place and omit it when its not needed.
35. Don't never use no double negatives.
36. Poofread carefully to see if you any words out.
37. Hopefully, you will use words correctly, irregardless of how others use them.
38. Eschew obfuscation.
39. No sentence fragments.
40. Don't indulge in sesquipedalian lexicological constructions.
41. A writer must not shift your point of view.
42. Don't overuse exclamation marks!!!
43. Place pronouns as close as possible, especially in long sentences, as of 10 or more words, to their antecedents.
44. Writing carefully, dangling participles must be avoided.
45. If any word is improper at the end of a sentence, a linking verb is.
46. Avoid trendy locutions that sound flaky.
47. Everyone should be careful to use a singular pronoun with singular nouns in their writing.
48. Always pick on the correct idiom.
49. The adverb always follows the verb.
50. If you reread your work, you can find on rereading a great deal of repetition can be by rereading and editing.
51. And always be sure to finish what


BD


I agree. :ugh:

henry crun
24th Dec 2008, 07:32
Is anyone game enough to admit that having read post #39, they also read all of post #40 ?

Hobo
24th Dec 2008, 08:28
Not only did I read both, I copied them onto transparent paper and superimposed one on top of the other and checked that the second was a true and faithfull 'quote' [or should it be "quote" ? -(should this '?' be within the quotes or without?)].

It appears to be so.

B Fraser
24th Dec 2008, 08:32
Nobody quotes me cos I talk total bollockshttp://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/sowee.gif

I also talk bolleaux, does that make me bilingual :confused:

Arm out the window
24th Dec 2008, 08:34
No, being bilingual means you lick both sexes.

Flap 5
24th Dec 2008, 09:26
Tis terribly simple. If you clicked on 'reply', the URL (Universal Resource Locator) in the address bar would read "http://www.pprune.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=4608422&noquote=1". If you simply knocked the number 1 off the end (backspace does this very nicely) eh voila, ici! As if by wide world internet magic your post is displayed as a quote and can be diced n sliced as appropriate.

BD

Thanks for that, although your [quote] in the latter part (omitted) caused some confusion initially! But why would the 'reply' button not do that for you, without having to fiddle about with deleting '1'? Isn't that what it is for? :confused:

TRC
24th Dec 2008, 09:36
Quote:
Originally Posted by TRC http://static.pprune.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/355620-use-quotes-post4608932.html#post4608932)
I don't agree.

Why don't you agree? Are you French, perchance?


How dare you sir!
I am not French, I was merely disagreeing with the previous poster. Don't quote me, but in keeping with pprune traditions - I could be from anywhere.

BDiONU
24th Dec 2008, 10:09
But why would the 'reply' button not do that for you, without having to fiddle about with deleting '1'? Isn't that what it is for? :confused:
Yes it did used to function that way but some threads were becoming full of people quoting people quoting people and so on. That functionality was disabled, except for devious people like me or those wise in the ways of HTML ;)

BD

Storminnorm
24th Dec 2008, 11:10
The word "gibberish" springs to mind.

Merry effin Crimble!

goudie
24th Dec 2008, 12:25
I never want to read another quote, ever again.
In fact I'm going to make it a New Year resolution.
'I shall not read quotes, nor shall I quote quotes that have been quoted by persons who quote other poster's quotes'
I think that covers it but don't quote me!

bnt
24th Dec 2008, 15:41
You can find reams of advice about quoting on t' Net, but I think it can be boiled down to two recommendations:
- quote only what you're replying to;
- write at least as much, in reply, as you quoted.

Between Email, Usenet, Forums, and IRC, this discussion is in to its third decade now. It's deja vu all over again. :E

Dushan
24th Dec 2008, 16:10
Thanks for that, although your [q uote] in the latter part (omitted) caused some confusion initially! But why would the 'reply' button not do that for you, without having to fiddle about with deleting '1'? Isn't that what it is for? :confused:

We used to have a "Reply with quote" button but they took it off because people were abusing it. Now that the cat's out of the bag, they will have to think of something new to make our life more miserable....

henry crun
24th Dec 2008, 19:38
Maybe they will completely remove of the quote facilty, but I don't think we will be that lucky. :{

Davaar
24th Dec 2008, 21:04
Is anyone game enough to admit that having read post #39, they also read all of post #40 ?


Oh! henry! henry! Did you?

47. Everyone should be careful to use a singular pronoun with singular nouns in their writing.

“anyone”/ “their”?

ExSp33db1rd
24th Dec 2008, 21:29
Is anyone game enough to admit that having read post #39, they also read all of post #40 ?

Even #34 ?

Sometimes one only wishes to comment on one part of a previous post, to copy that, and attach it in quotes, saves a lot of time and effort, I shall persist. Tough, Henry, get used to it. Merry Christmas.

henry crun
24th Dec 2008, 21:34
Presumably ExSp33db1rd, you must think that if you do not, we will have no idea what you are referring to.

birrddog
24th Dec 2008, 21:37
Not only did I read both, I copied them onto transparent paper and superimposed one on top of the other and checked that the second was a true and faithful as I am a deviant and like to change what other people say in a misleading fashion to suite my point of view.

It appears to be so.

P.S. I like to put on stockings, suspenders and a bra, I wan't to be a girly, just like my dear Papa.

Hobo, I did not know you were a Monty Python fan!