QF Eng Out A330 Perth

[muII]

A QF A330 landed at Perth at 6am with one engine out and was towed to the terminal. Anybody know any more?????

[stiffwing]

Care to elaborate?
QF website shows one domestic arrival at around 0830, and two intl arrivals nowhere near 6am (0300 and 0800)

[muII]

Yep, saw and heard it all, emerg sevices etc, dont know if it was outbound or inbound.

[Capt Fathom]

Well, if you saw and heard it all, I guess there was no point in asking ... 'Anybody know any more?????'

[-JLS-]

I had a friend who was a passenger on the flight this morning, haven't spoken to them yet to know when/where the engine gave up.....but it would have been QF77 YPPH->WSSS. From what I have read, QPJ was the plane in question.

I can't believe the media haven't devoured this one yet.....maybe they're a bit slow today.....

[tail wheel]

Does every precautionary engine shut down and routine landing warrant a pathetic media beat up? :hmm:

I like to read real news in my morning newspaper and evening TV news.

[The Messiah]

Does every precautionary engine shut down and routine landing warrant a pathetic media beat up?
No but an engine failure on a twin is certainly an emergency and as such deserves media coverage wouldn't you think champ?:ok:

[Flyingblind]

Perhaps the media sharks are all off circling the carnage in India, there's actual blood in the water over there so dont expect too much from them, too busy rubber necking there.

Very fickle beast the media.

Whats the old meeja saying "If it bleeds it leads"

apologies to any sensitive types but thats the way i understand the industry works.

[Air Ace]

I'm inclined to agree with TW. If memory is correct Australia has had only one air transport category jet aircraft loss, that being the non airline RAAF B707.

There has never been a hull loss or even serious accident involving an Australian twin engine air transport jet aircraft - versus how many engine failures or precautionary engine shut downs in the 49 years since Australian airlines commenced operating jet aircraft?

"Media coverage?" Drawing parallels to the ANZ A330 hull loss? Passengers in mortal danger? :yuk:

At most a very brief media mention would appear more than enough.

[Qantas 787]

Funny - the Sydney Morning Herald had the non-story on page 3 and yet they buried the Air NZ crash story on page 23. Go figure..........the Herald is really lowering thier standards to News Limited. One story is actual news and they bury it.

[busboy330]

Midair malfunction hits Qantas jet | Western Australia News | News.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,,24724289-1245,00.html)

Quote:

Midair malfunction hits Qantas jet
AAPNovember 29, 2008 07:14am
A QANTAS jet serviced days ago in Hong Kong had to turn back to Perth yesterday after the crew was forced to turn off one of its two engines.
Fairfax newspapers say the Airbus A330 with 168 passengers en route to Singapore returned to Perth when an engine oil warning light flashed in the cockpit.

Aviation sources told Fairfax the engine starter motor sheared off because no oil had been put into the motor after its overhaul.

David Cox, the executive general manager of Qantas Engineering, said: "Initial inspections by engineers indicate that the fault with the engine starter motor could have led to the engine oil problem".

He said the investigation into the issue would require "detailed analysis" in conjunction with the starter motor and engine manufacturers in the US.

Mr Cox said the Qantas A330 fleet was serviced overseas. This aircraft returned earlier in the week from a four-day 'C' check carried out in Hong Kong. It returned to Perth on one engine and a replacement plane finally took off with the passengers four hours and 50 minutes late.

A Civil Aviation Safety Authority spokesman, Peter Gibson, confirmed preliminary reports that the malfunction had originated in the starter motor and that the oil supply was being looked at.

"CASA has been kept fully informed on the incident by Qantas and will be closely monitoring Qantas's investigation of the event," Mr Gibson said.

A survey of Qantas maintenance staff this year found concern about safety standards in part because of offshore maintenance.

[crow17]

Sydney's Daily Telegraph has finally got hold of the story and has reported that the shutdown was due to oil indication light. On return to Perth th starter was found sheared and this was the most likely cause. The boss has already made a statement that the aircraft has just got back from a check in Hong Kong.
I don't know about anyone else, but for the engine oil to get out because of a starter failure, it must have been a pretty seriuos failure.
Any of the Perth lads have any first hand info.
Cheers Crow
Midair malfunction hits Qantas jet | The Daily Telegraph (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24724289-5001028,00.html)

[John Citizen]

No but an engine failure on a twin is certainly an emergency

I think there is a slight difference between an engine failure and a precautionary shutdown.

Also a slight difference between and an emergency and an abnormal.

Airbus list engine failures and shutdowns in their manuals as "abnormals" and not as an emergency !!

[ampclamp]

starter quill shaft decided to exit.thats second hand source so maybe not exactly correct.

[HotDog]

Mr Cox said the Qantas A330 fleet was serviced overseas. This aircraft returned earlier in the week from a four-day 'C' check carried out in Hong Kong.

Returned earlier in the week, so it must have been serviced locally several times before leaving Perth for Singapore. There is an oil level sight glass next to the oil replenishment filler plug on the starter. How often is the starter oil level checked during routine line maintenance?

[Ngineer]

Returned earlier in the week so it must have been serviced locally several times before leaving Perth for Singapore.

Starters arent serviced on a daily basis. Usually checked when a task card is called out. I would also suspect during a major check (ie; 'c' check).

[Qanchor]

In tomorrow's press..........
....... the crew of the Lockheed A3-777 were in a life & death struggle with the stricken no. 3 engine of the twin-jet prior to dumping hydraulic fuel over the Coral Sea. Airport rescue services were placed on high alert because the aircraft was now operating in “degraded air/ground mode status” and crew had to make an [abnormal] manual approach using only the fringe-area localizer for ground guidance.
A passenger and former NASA astronaut, (now a St. Kilda architect)said, "Apollo 13 pales by comparison to this. In all my years of flying this was by far the most serious and scary incident I have ever been involved in, I honestly thought my number was up and put my passport in my pocket so my body could be identified" :ugh:

[Capn Bloggs]

Airbus list engine failures and shutdowns in their manuals as "abnormals" and not as an emergencies !!
So? They also design aeroplanes that go out of control just because of a glitch in one component. What a manufacturer chooses to call a situation one single failure from death to all on board is irrelevant IMO. Flying around on one engine is an emergency.

[The Messiah]

I think there is a slight difference between an engine failure and a precautionary shutdown.
No there is not when taliking about a twin.:ugh: Flying on one engine is flying on one engine, it doesn't matter how you got there.:=
Also a slight difference between and an emergency and an abnormal.

Absolutely right there is. As far as I am aware any loss of a system where the subsequent loss of a similar system would cause mortal danger is an emergency. This is not open to interpretation.:rolleyes:

This is why on a twin 330/777/767 the loss of one engine requires you to land at the nearest suitable airport. Yes you can continue somewhere else but the guidelines become pretty strict.;)

[Capt Wally]

To me flying around on one engine (in a twin) is an abnormal op, if the second one fails then that's an emergency!
Although in my QRH anything to do with an engine failure (causes etc) is in the red section of the book & are memory recall items, meaning an emergency. The procedure/s for handling flight (such as ldg on one eng.) after the event is covered in the abnormal section.
At the end of the day one would have to wonder if it's wise to travel on any plane not long out of maint! I believe this is identified as the most risky time of flight.:)





CW

[Obie]

I think Tail Wheel ( a prune mod!? ) and one or two others on this thread, should get up to date on what constitutes professional aviation!

[TrafficTraffic]

According to John Citizen they could just remove one engine on a 76/77/330etc... and that would be ok....imagine the savings!

TT

[blueloo]

John Citizen


Flying around on one engine is an emergency
Then why does CASA allow single engine RPT (Caravan) ?


You obviously have a twin engined Caravan endorsement to make this statement. I am yet to see one......

Last time i checked the A330 has two engines not one.

[The Messiah]

Airbus list engine failures and shutdowns in their manuals as "abnormals" and not as an emergency !!
I don't think any manufacturers specify what is and isn't an emergency, that is generally left up to the PIC to decide.

My reference to flying on one engine was with regard to an A330, I thought that was obvious.:(

Furthermore a suitable aerodrome is an adequate aerodrome just with weather taken into consideration. No point going somewhere you won't be able to land now is there. Just because it's an emergency doesn't mean we should panic.

Why do the regulators allow ETOPS 180 if flying on one engine is an emergency ?
Under ETOPS an engine failure in a twin is still an emergency and you are still landing at the nearest suitable airport, it just so happens that it can be up to 180 min away.:rolleyes:

[neville_nobody]

Then why does CASA allow single engine RPT (Caravan)

The law doesn't to be technically correct. You have to apply to CASA for an exemption to fly Single Engine RPT you can't just buy an C208 and start an airline.

I also vaguely recall something in the CAO's that a loss of one engine in a twin is an automatic emergency.......anyone remember??

[John Citizen]

Ok, now I agree "it is an emergency !!" :ouch:

Thanks for educating me :ok:

[Bankstown]

Why was said starter motor engaged in flight before shearing?

Surely it disengaged at starter cutout?

[Capt Kremin]

It probably caused an oil leak which took some time to develop. The starter motor would not have been used in flight unless a restart of an engine was required.

[Lasiorhinus]

The law doesn't to be technically correct. You have to apply to CASA for an exemption to fly Single Engine RPT you can't just buy an C208 and start an airline.

And the exemption must be applied for, and approved for, for each aircraft individually. Just because you have ASETPA (Approved Single Engine Turbine Powered Aircraft) for one Caravan does not mean you can buy another one and fly it IFR with passengers...

[Unhinged]

You obviously have a twin engined Caravan endorsement to make this statement. I am yet to see one......

Reims-Cessna F406 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_406)

[tomcat264]

Could of been a number of issues eg. NIGS U/S etc its not normal practice to tow an ACFT on to a bay because of 1 engine U/S

[DirectAnywhere]

Prize for the longest thread resurrection in history?

[adsyj]

Well it was from Tomcat - perhaps he has been having a very long cat nap. Boom Tish

[XRlent100]

I think tomcat has just had his/her yearly visit to pprune. Quite a lot of historic threads have been brought to the top on tomcats behalf.

[woftam]

Well, he hasn't been studying English during the absence .
"Could of" :ugh:

[Atlas Shrugged]

I like to read real news in my morning newspaper and evening TV news.

Good luck with that.......;)