F/Lynx all systems go at AW

[Charlie Time]

Always amazed at the number of folk so keen to knock something that hasn't even been tactically developed yet and make up their minds on the basis of little first hand involvement.

[Faithless]

Always amazed at the number of folk so keen to knock something that hasn't even been tactically developed yet and make up their minds on the basis of little first hand involvement.

Hold that thought Charlie Time and we will come back to you when it has been tried and tested. Just like Lynx Mk 7 & 9..... these do the job in a small capacity because again the "Army has to make do!" :ugh:
So what massive difference is the Wildcat going to bring to the party?

[Charlie Time]

Thought being held.

[vecvechookattack]

The Wildcat doesn't bring anything new to the party except crashworthy seats!

Well, lets hope that the new crashworthy seats are better than the armoured ones fitted to the Grey Lynx at the moment.....

[Low Ball]

Several posters on this page would appear to have missed the point in answering, or not as the case may be, the query - 'why do we need 9A and Wildcat?'

Point One Wildcat and 9A will have the urge and increased lift to contribute 365 days of the year in AFG or anywhere else in the world 'subsequent ops' take us.

Pint Two Wildcat and 9A will have .50 cal door guns, as I understand it and can provide good top cover for convoys. Plus in Wilcat a great EO sight, no need to expand here on the benefits that will bring.

Point Three, this will save scarce Apache hours for when they are needed

Point Four for air commanders and planners to have another type of club in the bag gives greater flexibility in planning and execution instead of providing over capacity

LB

[vecvechookattack]

If those are the 4 reason then why bother with all of this stuff....lets just go and buy some more Lynx.

[Faithless]

Wildcat Airbourne:rolleyes:

YouTube - AgustaWestland AW159 Lynx Wildcat first flight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s7EXORMHgU)

[t43562]

I just thought this clip with some small snippets about the use of a light helicopter in COIN might be interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRd_vgjGIWE&feature=PlayList&p=3CF49D7F86A804A8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=28

This link has a bit more explanation:

FIREFORCE OPERATIONS (http://selousscouts.tripod.com/fireforce_operations.htm)

[Gnd]

We have bought more Lynx!!! Just faster, better equipped, more versatile, able to 'up-arm’, 365 capability, very versatile C2 capability, better crew survivability, greater RADAR ability, less prescriptive maintenance regime, 'possible' cross arm capability - but yes - it does have a new name to hide all these benefits. It will save hard pressed assets being miss-employed (the CH's love being tasked as convoy escort or on route recce) and allow commanders to have the correct asset in the right place for a longer time.

I guess this is why it seems so hard for the blinkered few to see the big picture, try looking over your oh so petty bias and accept that it is here for a very good reason and if it was pointless, we would have got rid 30+ years ago.

A debate on the pointless upgrade of an older aircraft would be better? But not on this thread!!!!

[Finnpog]

Following on from the Fireforce refresher, I wonder whether they could put something like the GSh-30-2 twin fixed forward firing cannon from the Hind P on the nose of the Wildcat to give it a 'point and shoot' heavy capability.

Bolt Hellfire onto some stubby wings / pylons with a CVR 7 or two, perhaps AIM9 over the wings together with a door mounted Gimpy or M3M and hey ho - fairly hard mini-gunship a la K-Car.

[engineer(retard)]

FP

Its a work in progress:

Future Air-to-Surface Guided Weapon (FASGW) (http://www.defense-update.com/products/f/fasgw.html)

regards

retard

[Finnpog]

Similar to above (and not necessarily worthy of a thread in isolation) Flight magazine's exclusive about the AIM 9X being tweaked for a less high altitude mission.

EXCLUSIVE: Raytheon adapts AIM-9X for air-to-ground mission (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/12/03/335762/exclusive-raytheon-adapts-aim-9x-for-air-to-ground-mission.html)

[vecvechookattack]

However, the new weapon will have significant advantages over the current Sea-Skua, capable of operating at a range almost doubled over the current missile.

Why?

This facility allows the operator to decide whether to simply disable the target or destroy and sink.

That's not really their job is it?

[Charlie Time]

To permit a longer stand-off against a well armed platform with a modern air defence system.

There may be occasions when disabling fire rather than lethal fire may be more appropriate to command within the operational context or ROE. Why not provide a highly trained operator in the loop capable of making an informed decision.

[vecvechookattack]

To permit a longer stand-off against a well armed platform with a modern air defence system

Such as what...? Aster..? Nope... HQ-9...? Nope.

The missile isn't designed to attack a "Well armed platform with a modern air defence system"... It just isn't capable.
There may be occasions when disabling fire rather than lethal fire may be more appropriate to command within the operational context or ROE. Why not provide a highly trained operator in the loop capable of making an informed decision.
That's the job of the command and not the job of the missile operator.
Do not give the missile operator the ability to make such decisions. His job is to fire the missile against the target he has been ordered to engage. Not to determine whether he fancies it or not.

[Charlie Time]

Wildcat is a platform with a 30 year intended lifespan. It isn't a Lynx (especially from the maritime perspective) and some of the old grey Lynx mindset needs to be left behind.

[vecvechookattack]

You are confusing capability with platform specifics. Wildcat isn't a platform its an aircraft. SCMR is a platform. The aircraft has a capability. Platforms don't have capabilities.

[Bismark]

VV,
To be pedantic, SCMR was a requirement not a platform. FLynx was the platform that satisfied the requirement and it is now being developed as the Wildcat (in UK service) to produce a capability that will be delivered by the Director Equipment Capability to the Front Line Commander for his use.

[engineer(retard)]

VV

"The missile isn't designed to attack a "Well armed platform with a modern air defence system"... It just isn't capable."

Not strictly true. If you had stopped at:

The missile isn't designed ....

You would be nearer the mark.

regards

retard

[Ian Corrigible]

Truly a face only a mother could love. And strangely familiar...

http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/9/0/b9946bba-1640-4f91-a032-d63e6f5c5ce5.Full.jpg

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/familyguy/images//d/d9/Opie.png

:E

I/C

[Charlie Time]

Very close to but not the final colour scheme.

[StopStart]

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h64/judgesaw/goofy.jpg

Any closer?

[GreenKnight121]

Disney Corp called... they want royalties for use of their trademarked Goofy design!