CX raiding your mailbox

[Fenwicksgirl]

Word hot off the grape vine, CX staff are opening flight crew mailbox's to retrieve the letter the AoA sent out the other day.
Just had a call from a mate there at the moment, telling me there are some peeved pilots watching this go on as we speak!!!
What does that do for our privacy act????????

[Night Watch]

Call your mate back and tell him to take a photo with his phone..... evidence.

[Fenwicksgirl]

Already gone. I guess they have CCTV there dont they!!
What was in the letter?? I havent been there for a few days, must have been juicy!!!!

[fire wall]

You sure it isn't cx opening the mailbox so as to transfer contents to new mailboxes that are progressively being installed. Less alarmist and a more plausible explanation don't you think?

[coded_messages]

Also had a mate there today who came from a flight and he saw them removing the AOA letters - He saw one of the Admin girls even telling this to a guy.

[fire wall]

I stand corrected, and alarmed !

[Hoofharted]

You may find somewhere in the fine print that the management reserve the right to do what the fvck they like with your mail box when said mailbox is provided by the company. Nothing new there, most large companies have this right.

[coded_messages]

One would assume CX would state that they are CX owned mailboxes, on CX property etc. so have every right to access them blah blah.

[TheHKAOA]

it is merely another example of the union bust and intimidation that started in 2001. Deny the right to contact aircrew. Phone or email the AOA office for a copy of the letter. Same letter was put in cabin attendants mail boxes and in the KA aircrew and cockpit crew mail boxes. KA are allowed to access all mail boxes - well at least for now they are.

[Humber10]

I hope my dildo is still there......

Resource mismanagement. I hope the have fun with what ever they took from my mail box, just as long as they put it back when they're done.....

[controlledCHAOS]

They are technically "their" mailboxes. Just like the email address...it belongs to Cathay. They can read and/or take anything they want.

We all signed the disclosures.

[Blogsey]

This sounds fishy to me.
The letter was quite ummmm neutral? It mentioned all the unions working together WITH THE COMPANY to get through tough times. I'm not sure why the company would remove them.....

[Fenwicksgirl]

Same think i thought Blogsey. Did seem to be a bit of an olive branch from the 4 unions. Apparantly CX pilots were singled out in this, other groups still have their letters!!!
I think more the point is DFO has made it clear he is threatened by the growing strength of the AoA and is trying to hinder that!!!!

[CXChildLabour]

What they removed was the AOA application form, trying to prevent contact with the new guys, ops normal for this company.

[Voiceofreason]

I hear that it's actually to do with the AOA not being granted access to the mailboxes by the Company. AOA have the noticeboard in return for not being able to put mail in our boxes.

DFO probably freaked out...!

[Kitsune]

Then mail it with a stamp and a sealed envelope. Even in a mickey mouse place like Hong Kong stealing sealed mail addressed to someone else is a criminal offence.:cool:

[FlexibleResponse]

Hmmm...interference with personal mail...interference with a union to prevent communication with its members in Hong Kong...

Skating on very thin legal ice...as usual?

[jonathon68]

A copy of the letter in question (and application forms etc) are pinned to the AOA notice board in the mailbox room, so this is hardly a big deal. You could also go to the AOA website to "check it out" (if you are a member).

I think they are transferring things from the old mail boxes to new mail boxes at the moment, so this is probably a case of paranoia. :confused:

Dont you guys read your Notice's to Crew???

[Harbour Dweller]

It's very simple to tell if the Company has deliberately removed the AOA notice.

The office girls may be removing mail from mailboxes that are yet to be changed to the newer type.

Any mailbox from 1 to 1300 has already been changed over to the new type.

No mail from the AOA should have been removed from these NEW mailboxes unless it is a deliberate act by Cathay management.

[ALPHA FLOOR]

I saw NR with my own eyes in the mailbox room today - what business he has there I dont know.

AFL

[CXChildLabour]

No mail from the AOA should have been removed from these NEW mailboxes unless it is a deliberate act by Cathay management

oh yes, they were using their master key to get that letter out of the new mailboxes, the ones that were replaced already. Hope they didn't remove my long-haul adult reading as well, lol.

[Saturn]

Please refer to my Vote NO NO NO on RP07.

[ALPHA FLOOR]

Frogman, while I would love for nothing else but your post to become reality I cannot see grounds there for NR to be pushed off his colonial perch.

No instead they may get him for his wishy-washy stance on the 777 flyby and his "loss of respect" from within his own department not to mention us cockpit crew.

Word on the street is that Swire feels that no further gain would come from having NR as DFO, which I guess is why he is trying so hard to get his version of RP endorsed before the dice makes its final role moving him back to selling coca-cola in Hiroshima.

AFL

[Goonybird]

Here's the letter the compnay stole from your mailbox.

To all Flight Crew Members of Dragonair and Cathay Pacific
Dear Fellow Flight Crew Member,

TURBULENCE AHEAD

As you are all aware, we are entering a period of increasingly difficult economic
times which will no doubt translate into more challenging conditions for the aviation
industry. This will mean increased pressure on all of us from our management as
they try to reduce costs and maintain margins.
As always, we remain prepared to work together with management during these
difficult times, as we did during SARS. It will be vital that any decisions taken by the
Cathay Group are taken in a spirit of cooperation and in full consultation with
respective employees Unions.
It will also be important during the coming period that we as Unions all work together
to protect the interests of our flight crews, as individuals and as a group. To this end,
we wish to state that our prime objective as your representative Union is to protect
your rights and your interests.
If you have not yet joined your respective Union, please give this your consideration
now. You will find an information request slip on the reverse of this letter. Please
complete it and return it to your respective union.
We wish you happy and safe flying.
President DPA Chairman FAU President HKAOA Chairman KAFAA
cc
CEO Dragonair
CE Cathay Pacific

[broadband circuit]

I received the letter via email from the AOA, and to be honest, I can't see what the fuss is about! :confused:

As always, we remain prepared to work together with management during these difficult times, as we did during SARS

Are mangement [intentionally mis-spelt a-la our former GMF] upset just because we ask to be involved in consultation, rather than being dictated to?

[goathead]

just another absurd act from NR .............GOOD ON YOU :ok: NICK !

[The Wraith]

A more misguided, out of touch, arrogant , non pilot DFO than Nick you couldn't find. Not that any CX appointed successor would be any better but still, good riddance.
Wow, the management really suck in this place! Such low calibre people for such a high profile company. You'd have thought a company such as Swire would have better amidst its ranks....
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[yokebearer]

You'd have thought a company such as Swire would have better amidst its ranks....

I think Swire hires some sharp young guns - then the corporate culture spoils them.

It has been shown that corporate culture is nearly impossible to change once it has degenerated like at CX - it takes some very inspired leadership........or firing everybody and starting afresh - kind of like the 49ers.

[Frogman1484]

was anything in the papers today?

[moosp]

Sunday's SCMP page 4, good position in column 1 & 2.

Also an article about the other NR and his continued employment.

[Frogman1484]

can anyone paste the articles?

Thanks

[AD POSSE AD ESSE]

What a bunch of goons!!!

CX spokeswoman saying that postboxes at work are only intended for company use..

When I joined I was specifically told that I " may use the postbox for BOTH private and company mail "...

Double standards being applied ONCE again:yuk:

What I would like to know is what the AOA intends doing about this!!! Oh..let me guess: Absolutely NOTHING - as usual...:eek:

[quadspeed]

Sell our soul to become a Cathay Pacific Pilot....loser for hire. Nothing like HK Housing, 16% tax and a 13h month payscale to sell yourself to the devil.

oh..and for those who care. I did believe in this company when I joined. Just like all off us.... I've still got to meet someome on the line who thinks differently ...except for a few long-sleeved guys.

[FlexibleResponse]

CX spokeswoman saying that postboxes at work are only intended for company use..

Regardless of what the spokeswoman said, for the last 20, 30, 40 years or more, the company postboxes HAVE been used for PRIVATE mail.

So by precedent, the status quo has withstood the test of time. Removal, stealing, tampering with or prevention of delivery of private mail is morally reprehensible and possibly is a criminal offence under Hong Kong Laws.

Notwithstanding the mail stealing issue, prevention of a Union in the normal process of communication with its members is disgraceful and also possibly a criminal offence under Hong Kong Law.

[slapfaan]

Removal, stealing, tampering with or prevention of delivery of private mail is morally reprehensible and possibly is a criminal offence under Hong Kong Laws.

Sounds like it's time to get the HK POLICE involved then...:ok:

"You do the CRIME...you do the TIME"...:)

[ALPHA FLOOR]

Sadly I am out of HKG, so if anyone could post the articles from SCMP here please????

AFL

[iflylow]

Sadly I am out of HKG, so if anyone could post the articles from SCMP here please????

AFL



Union letters removed from pilots' mailboxes
Simon Parry
Updated on Nov 09, 2008
Cathay Pacific has removed from the locked mailboxes of its 2,000-plus pilots an appeal from staff unions to join up amid the economic uncertainty.
The airline's management is understood to have been infuriated by the attempt to distribute the letters, headed "Turbulence Ahead", to all 11,000 Cathay and Dragonair pilots and cabin crew last week.

The letter, signed by the leaders of the four main staff unions, warned that the current downturn would bring "increased pressure on all of us from management as they try to reduce costs and maintain margins".

While stressing that unions would work with management to overcome the difficulties, the letter appealed to pilots and cabin crew to join the unions, saying that would "protect your rights and your interests".

But within 24 hours of the letters being put in company-owned mailboxes for pilots in Cathay City at Chek Lap Kok, staff with master keys were sent to unlock them and remove the letters.

Letters for Cathay cabin crew and Dragonair staff were not affected.

The action was greeted with surprise by the 1,300-member Aircrew Officers' Association, which distributed the letter to the mailboxes of 2,300 pilots. It accused the airline of trying to stop pilots joining the union.

"We knew there would be a reaction, but we didn't think this would generate such an angry response from the company," general secretary John Findlay said. "I've never known of a case where the company has taken mail out of pilots' mailboxes. We were really quite surprised.

"Our problem is that management does not give us any access to new joiners. They don't allow us to contact them via their mailboxes. We think that is an unreasonable attitude to take, especially as we have rebuilt our relationship and trust since the problems of 2001.

"It just seems they are going out of their way to stop us approaching potential new members even though we are the sole body representing pilots. They don't seem to want anyone to join, and that should be a cause for concern, especially in these difficult times."

However, a Cathay Pacific spokeswoman said the action breached clear guidelines. She said the letters had been removed to stop pilots' mailboxes getting jammed with unwanted mail.

"The mailboxes are company property," she said. "Their primary purpose is to allow the company to distribute operational notices and updates to all crew.

"It has been a long-standing policy that nobody is allowed access to the mailboxes for mass mailings or junk mail, including the Aircrew Officers' Association."

She said the union had not been denied opportunities to recruit pilots. "The AOA has been provided with space for a notice board, which covers an entire wall of the mailbox room. There are application forms to join the AOA in trays and boxes placed under the notice board. Nobody can miss them."

Cathay Pacific, which issued its latest profit warning on Wednesday, has told staff and investors it expects lean times in the months ahead because of fuel-price fluctuations and falling levels of business travel.


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Pilot keeps job after drunken tomfoolery
Simon Parry
Nov 09, 2008
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A Cathay Pacific (SEHK: 0293) pilot convicted of stealing an Octopus machine from a McDonald's restaurant on a drunken night out has managed to keep his job.
Australian Nicholas Reymond, 31, was hauled before a disciplinary hearing after being fined for taking the card-reading machine out of the McDonald's in February.


Mr Reymond was captured on surveillance cameras and arrested after the incident, at the end of a night out drinking with two friends.

The pilot, who is in training to become a first officer, was fined HK$3,000 and ordered to pay McDonald's HK$3,000 in compensation after pleading guilty to theft.

Mr Reymond, whose drunken stunt made headlines in Hong Kong and Australia, feared he would lose his job for bringing the airline into disrepute. Instead, he was cautioned and handed an undisclosed penalty that sources say will delay his promotion at Cathay.

When Mr Reymond appeared in Eastern Court last month, a letter from a senior Cathay pilot praised him for his professionalism, and magistrate Garry Tallentire said he hoped the incident would not affect his career.

A Cathay spokeswoman said after last week's hearing: "We can confirm that Nicholas Reymond is still employed as a pilot and is now back on duty. He has been party to a disciplinary hearing but details of the company's internal disciplinary proceedings will not be disclosed to the public."

A fellow pilot at Cathay said: "We're all relieved at the outcome. Nick is a popular guy and a good pilot, and what happened was nothing more than an instance of drunken larking about."

A spokesman for the Aircrew Officers Association, which helped represent the pilot at the disciplinary hearing, said: "Mr Reymond was interviewed by management as part of the recognised disciplinary and grievance procedure. He has been disciplined but has not been dismissed and the matter is now closed.

"The company management took account of all relevant factors, including Mr Reymond's sincere apologies and his previous unblemished record. We appreciate the understanding shown by management in allowing a junior officer to continue his career."

Mr Reymond's conviction came a month after another Cathay pilot, senior first officer David Chan, 33, appeared in court charged with murder after a seaside brawl at Big Wave Bay.

Chan was charged with seven other suspects after a 36-year-old man died in the brawl. The charge against him was downgraded to one of wounding with intent on October 31 and he has been off duty since his arrest.

[Sleeve_of_Wizard]

However, a Cathay Pacific spokeswoman said the action breached clear guidelines. She said the letters had been removed to stop pilots' mailboxes getting jammed with unwanted mail.


Dear Spokeswoman..... I do not want my mailbox cluttered with VOL 1 amendments every week telling me who has been appointed a new manager , or other drivel......... Thank you. You are unwanted mail.:ugh:

[777300ER]

"The mailboxes are company property," she said. "Their primary purpose is to allow the company to distribute operational notices and updates to all crew.

"It has been a long-standing policy that nobody is allowed access to the mailboxes for mass mailings or junk mail, including the Aircrew Officers' Association."

So I guess I can't have my mobile phone bill sent to my work address anymore??

[Near Miss]

Or my tax bill either. I hope it is still there.