whats up at national jet?

[aerocom]

I see an ad on the AFAP website that National Jet are looking for drivers for there whole fleet at every base. Last I heard they had to many drivers due to loss of contracts to other companys. Has there been a mass walk out or are they expanding?:ooh:

[sthaussiepilot]

I was told expanding... until recently when I was told about whats happening over at NJS...

I think they figure if they have an ad up and people apply, they take the better ones that they can... and hold the rest (applications)

Grab some peoples interest now before (if) something happened over there...

[yowie]

I believe that the US and UK military are looking at the tried and tested 'IMPLOSION' weapon.
Successfully implemented and trialled by NJS/Cobham senior management, and blindly pushed by middle managment hangerons' and Regional commanders, the 'IMPLOSION' bomb has effectively removed any residue of morale, self worth, dignity, confidence etc from the people on the ground, who, whilst attempting to initiate and complete the daily missions required, no matter how futile, suffer far more casualties from 'friendly fire' than from the natural enemy. This is what excites the US/UK militarys, as neither have been able to achieve in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
Quote "We have studied and are amazed at the simplicity yet effectiveness of the 'IMPLOSION' bomb, as developed by NJS/Cobham, all we need to do is to find the path to direct it at our enemies. If we can find the solution to this slight problem, we have no doubt, that as a coalition, we can denegrate, demoralise and subject our enemies to untold moralistic pain, of which they have never felt before, so that they will capitulate in a manner not considered before with the application of standard weaponry"
Rear Admiral P.J Seaboots Ret.,


Good luck to all that follow:p

[Skystar320]

you lost me after the first four words

[yowie]

By all accounts not too difficult:ok:

[FRQ Charlie Bravo]

So wait a minute. You mean that there are people at NJS who aren't happy? WTF? To where do I look for inspiration now?

~FRQ CB

[ITCZ]

Any Ppruner capable of using the Search function will be able to see the views I hold/have held on life at NJS. So no dwelling on the list of items headed 'Needs Work'.

But.... If you have 4,500+ TT, and the usual mix of IF, M/E PIC, turbine that comes with it, I'd say it is worth a look.

All the pre-07 guys spent 4-6 years on FO wages waiting for CMD. 07-onwards guys are being considered for command at just on 2 years in company.

Pre 07
(4yr x FO) + (1yr x CMD) = (4x 85,000)+(1x 135,000) = $475,000 for the five years.

Post 07
(2yr x FO)+(3yr x CMD) = (2x 65,000)+(3x 115,000) = $475,000 for the five years.

So ahead of the game at 4 years, equal at 5 years, and approaching 6 years.... starting to trail, but you are out of your bond period, so write yourself a resume that says:
+2000hr turbojet
+2000hr RPT
EFIS/glass cockpit or four engines
+1000hr command on MTOW >54 tonnes (120,000lb) or >40 tonnes.

Not saying it is perfect. Not trying to help the 'recruitment effort.' Yes, there are Brasilia jobs that pay better. Airline ops but not an airline. Not a 'job for life.'

Like everything else, it is what you make of it.

[Green gorilla]

Thats why they are all going to Skywest and Virgin.

[Capn Bloggs]

ITCZ,
+2000hr turbojet
Don't you mean hairdrier? :}

[RU/16]

The boom has well and truly passed for NJS!
Dwindling contracts and too many crew.....when the Qlink contract goes in a couple of years I think the doors will finally close. The redundancy payments will cripple what is left.
A sad state of affairs, but it is what happens when you are happy to see contracts walk because you are not making your 10%, when everyone else is happy to break even to get into the game.
NJS has to decide if it is going to be a legitimate player or whither and die!
Problem is I think the decision has been made and the dieing bit is becoming terminal.

[betaman]

A sad state of affairs, but it is what happens when you are happy to see contracts walk because you are not making your 10%, when everyone else is happy to break even to get into the game.



And here was I thinking that commercial avaition companies were there to make a profit for their owners or shareholders:rolleyes:
Thanks for clearing that up RU/16 :D

Here's a thought! Maybe aviation in this country would be a lot more sustainable if everyone else was NOT happy to break even just to get into the game:mad:

[RU/16]

Betaman unfortunalty you/we dont make the rules. Everyone wants a piece of the action.
Skywest particularly are keen to see the back of NJS and I think would/are doing anything they can to see them off!
Once you see off the competition there is big $$ to be made.
NJS went from Q contractor 4 years ago to having 8-10 146's just for mining chareter in Perth!

[Capt Claret]

RU/16, rumours of NJS's imminent demise have been around since pre 1995. That's about 13 years ago. :bored:

[ga_trojan]

The mining companies won't be letting NJS go broke they need them too. No mining company wants any supplier to have a monopoly on the market. They'll feed them just enough to keep them in business and to keep Skywest looking over their shoulder come renewal time.

[Horatio Leafblower]

Once you see off the competition there is big $$ to be made.

.... yeah great idea, assuming you can then pay back all the debts accrued while sending the competition broke.

Sounds like the bank-run mentality displayed out of Bankstown in the late 1990's/early 2000s.

Hmmm.... did one of GA's "Big Men" go over to Skywest (after "fixing" Jetcraft :ugh: ) to implement the above policy? :hmm:

[beaver_rotate]

I just love how this thread is in the D&G GENERAL AVIATION AND QUESTIONS. GA with big aeroplanes yeah?

[boocs]

Isn't the Coastwatch Dash 8 job one of the best gig's around WRT bonuses, retention bonuses etc etc?
someone in the know?
b.

[RENURPP]

Yes Coastwatch is a big contract and pays extremely well to all involved. Mind you it had to, to attract staff.

R/U 16's comments are a little difficult to understand.

Dwindling contracts and over supply of crew? :confused:

Not sure when or where you come from, but if you look at NJS a few years back, I think you may find there are more aircraft doing more hours with more crew.
717's, 146's and Dash 8's. :ooh:
This thread started due to an advertisement in the Australian for MORE crew. They are still employing, and that is a fact. There are not too many crew there are not enough:confused:

NJS went from Q contractor 4 years ago to having 8-10 146's just for mining chareter in Perth! This one I simply don't understand.

[Capn Bloggs]

They'll feed them just enough to keep them in business
Phew. That's a relief.

NJS went from Q contractor 4 years ago to having 8-10 146's just for mining chareter in Perth!
And four years later they are still a Q contractor and they have 8-10 146s on "chareter" in Perth (well, almost).

[ITCZ]

Skywest particularly are keen to see the back of NJS and I think would/are doing anything they can to see them off!
You are expressing your own opinion. I am quite confident that nobody running Skywest shares your opinion. In the unlikely event that NJS should disappear entirely, there will be other equally willing and capable competitors.

That would be bad for Skywest. They have one big advantage in the charter market over NJS: Skywest has intimate knowledge of how NJS does business, whilst NJS is mostly guessing how Skywest will tender.

It is a good thing to be proud of your company and proud of what you do. But don't get carried away.

Skywest is a sound company. But the F100 is an older design than even the 146-100, and you will need to find and train a lot of pilots (which will require training captains) to meet the ambitious schedule your company has set itself.
Once you see off the competition there is big $$ to be made.
Even in these confusing and turbulent economic times, that is still a dumb thing to say.

First up, I'd rate the planning, research and negotiation skills of the customers (major resource companies) a little higher than that.

Secondly, Australian pilots in the late 80's (avoiding that year-before-1990-figure) suffered from similar insular thinking - with us gone, who will do the work?

It is a big wide world out there. Lots of potential operators with plenty of aeroplanes.

What would Skywest be thinking about NJS? "Better the devil you know!"

[kimberleyEx]

But the F100 is an older design than even the 146-100

Does that mean the B717 is older design than the 146-100 as well? As the B717 airframe is based on the DC-9? Douglas launched that project back in 1963.

Its still got the one up on Fokker. The F28 was launched in 1962.

K-Ex

[Green gorilla]

Come to think of it both aircraft have links to the wright brothers.

[Xeptu]

That would be bad for Skywest. They have one big advantage in the charter market over NJS: Skywest has intimate knowledge of how NJS does business, whilst NJS is mostly guessing how Skywest will tender.

Is that right! :)

[ITCZ]

Thankyou, Xeptu. Most kind of you to acknowledge.

Yes folks, when XR needs expertise, business or operational, it headhunts NJS.

I can't think of a better recommendation ;)

[LUCKY-1]

Trying to read between the lines here, it looks as though ITCZ is saying you need 4500TT to get a start with NJS. Am I reading that right? Apologies if misconstruing. Cheers

[Capt Claret]

Lucky-1,

Mate, you gotta stop squinting between those lines. :p

For F/O position on > 20,000 kg MTOW the minimums are, 2000 hrs total with 500 hrs command under IFR. Command is 5000 hrs total, with 500 hrs PIC and 1500 hrs > 5700 kg.

[Inbound On Descent]

Hey Clarrie...

Where'd those numbers come from ? Is it one of them Law thingies ?

Inbound

[Capt Claret]

Inbound,

Law thingies?

Came from the company Ops manual. I'd guess the website might have something too. Cobham Australia (http://www.cobham.com.au)

[RENURPP]

Interesting to re read this one.

[aerocom]

For you guys that are with in NJS is T H still working there?

[sleeve of wizard]

Are you referring to the TH that moved from Perth to Cairns and is now a training capt on the 717? :cool:

[aerocom]

That would be T*m H**ew**l in ADL.

[RENURPP]

Moved on to QF sim instructor I believe, about 2 months ago.