View Full Version : The Terrorist will always get through

20th Oct 2008, 13:04
From the Daily Telegraph 19 OCT 08

Replica bombs 'smuggled into Gatwick'

Replica bombs were smuggled into Gatwick Airport inside hand luggage after staff failed to recognise artificial explosives, it was claimed.
A bag containing one device was allegedly flagged up as suspicious by an X-ray scanner but handed back to its owner after guards who searched the luggage failed to identify what was inside.

The reported breaches, during inspections carried out by the European Commission, raise serious questions about the security of British airports at a time when staff are under pressure to reduce queues at check-points.
A Gatwick source claimed that security staff were focusing on banned items like fluids at the expense of more obvious dangers.

"In one case a replica bomb was flagged up on screen, the bag searched and then handed back to the inspector because they didn't know what it was," they told The Sunday Times.
"There is so much focus on looking for liquids that they seem to be forgetting the basics."

The source added that staff were being distracted by screening software that projects images of banned items onto suspicious objects detected in hand luggage.

"They are spending so much time looking for these virtual items that they are not focusing on those in the real world," they were quoted as saying.
The British Airports Authority, which owns Gatwick as well as other major UK airports including Heathrow and Stansted, confirmed that an inspection had taken place but refused to comment on the results.
The European Commission is expected to stage a follow-up inspection this week, to see whether security procedures have been tightened.

Give give us all MP5s like those nice boys in blue and we will look after ourselves thank-you. The authorities have demonstrated time and time again that they are incapable of protecting us so get out of the way and we will do it ourselves.

20th Oct 2008, 13:13
What are you going to do? Shoot the bomb?

Conan The Barber
20th Oct 2008, 13:26
My god! Just imagine what could have happened had the artificial explosives exploded artificially!

Artificial mayhem and artificial victims all over the place! I am really artificially concerned now!

We must demand more artificial security!

Hugh Spencer
20th Oct 2008, 13:41
Unfortunately, I think dedicated terrorists will always have the advantage of getting through because they have no qualms as to what laws they might be breaking or who is going to be offended by their actions. Whereas, if the security services carried out such ruthless actions they would be accused of depriving those involved of their 'human rights'. The human rights act, as it stands, has a lot to answer for.

20th Oct 2008, 15:15
Hey come on, give these security guys a break willya? These security screeners are probably paid at least minimum wage, so you would think they work to at least minimum standards!

Anyway, If the screeners didn't actually flag up a false bomb, aren't they doing their jobs correctly? A real bomb being missed yes, but a fake one? Why would they want to find fake bombs?:ok:

Unfortunately, it's not going to change anytime soon. Get used to it.

20th Oct 2008, 15:33
I personally believe that since 9/11 not one single terrorist attack was stopped as a result of anything done at security at airports. I know a lot of people don't want to hear it, but some of what has curbed terrorist attacks are

1) Increased attacks on Al Qaeda operatives, in different countries

2) Loss of Al Qaeda creditibility to potential followers especially after surge
in Iraq.

3) Intelligence gathering from terrorists in secret detention centers around the world, and the use of torture to get that information.

4) Capturing and killing known terrorists and keeping the media in the dark, so that our friends at BBC and CNN won't be telegraphing military operations to Al Qaeda and other terrorists.

5) The war against terror has gone significantly more covert, especially to prevent the leaking of information that has no doubt hurt in the past.

for example:

The Associated Press: Al-Qaida denies Web attack, but its sites struggle (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iEVWbIDT5WYjDx9YoNJxH0LchOwQD93TL8OO0)

I can assure you that there are a LOT of covert operations going on especially in recent months that have much more to do with curbing terrorist attacks than some goofball at a security line whose previous job was flipping burgers at McDonalds.

20th Oct 2008, 15:46
You should see the security at YYZ, i am sure a lot of them are Al-qeda sympathizers.
Only a matter of time. could be tomorrow or 20 yrs from now, who knows.
At least in the UK i get a sense of feeling that i am a little safer than i am when YYZ.

20th Oct 2008, 15:50
Just thought that I'd add to this one to say that last Saturday I was checked onto a TOM flight in PMI despite the fact that at the time I was returning a hire car! Apparently the check-in agent didn't bat an eyelid at the fact that I wasn't there to answer the standard "did you pack it yourself" questions about my suitcase etc...

Makes all the security here in the UK pointless if it means they'll get you on the return leg!!! :rolleyes:

Human Factor
20th Oct 2008, 16:26
We must demand more artificial security!

We have enough of that already. I had my flight case (small-ish briefcase) hand searched a few months ago at a UK airport. They did a fine job apart from missing the 500ml bottle of water which was right at the top of the case. Lucky it didn't explode.:rolleyes:

20th Oct 2008, 17:18
I was in Dublin last week, metal dector went off, security advisor wanted to see what it was. He patted my arm (that was it) and let me away with it, didn't even ask what it was.

I then arrived at Prestwick and there were no customs staff at all!

It's a joke, especially the liquid restrictions its been proven that people can still get explosive liquids into the aircraft in the 100ml, which they also don't test at the airports.

Skipness One Echo
20th Oct 2008, 18:38
Republic of Ireland arrivals have different customs rules, officers are rarely in attendance.

20th Oct 2008, 20:13
If you are a terrorist you give a wrong answer? jajajajajaj:)

20th Oct 2008, 20:24
According to the article Heathrow is owned by The British Airports Authority.

High quality journalism triumphs again.:rolleyes:

20th Oct 2008, 20:41
You should see the security at YYZ, i am sure a lot of them are Al-qeda sympathizers.

While current security measures are indeed a lamentably ineffective, inexcusably expensive and utterly frustrating farce, for sheer and incredible stupidity they do not even come close to the above statement.

MANwhatever, please pretty please do NOT grace us with any more of your profound insights.
I don't want to lose the will to live.

20th Oct 2008, 22:14
Relaaaaax, if they do ever manage to get a real one through and set it off, we'll just go and bomb the hell out some goatherds in a desert somewhere, and that'll teach 'em, won't it?

Buster Hyman
20th Oct 2008, 22:48
Of course, in real life, they'd see the smoke from the fuse...:rolleyes:


21st Oct 2008, 05:35
Just one Q for our colonial cousins.

I got called by the TSA bods at Sanford a while back asking me to unlock my case( actually jolly good of them as they could have jimmyed it!)

The lass asked me if I had any reading material in said case.

Yes couple of travel books (and some specialist magazines!!)

I asked if books were a problem and got a noncommital answer.

Case opened, books inspected and:eek: "Why have you got books on a A Rab country Sir?" whilst assuming the hands on hips "Gotcha"stance.

"Because I am moving there in 3 weeks!" I smile sweetly.

TSA lady :eek::eek: "WHY do you want to move to SAWDY ORABIYA"

"Saudi Arabia?" I ask " I'm not going to Saudi Arabia I'm going to Dubai."

"Yeah thats right DOOBEYE, SAWDY ORABIYA!" she says


Just smile sweetly for the nice lady and you can go to work.........

Happy days

21st Oct 2008, 13:08
Having spent an hour and a half queueing to go through security at Gatwick last week (four lanes open!) it gives me great comfort to know its all worthwhile and the security personnel will find what they are looking for....:hmm:

El Grifo
21st Oct 2008, 21:03
Came through LGW the other day.

Woman who was monitoring hand luggage screen too busy bletherin to watch what was going on.

Consciously counted 4 bags go through un-monitored.

Fkin joke now. Makes you glad to get the fcuk out.

Gone for good. Never be back.

Al ah, leave it it that :suspect:

21st Oct 2008, 22:22
Bin Liner must be havin a larf reading this thread:)