Brasil

[Wrenchturner]

hello,
can someone please tell me if it is possible as an expat, who is living in brasil with a permanent visa (have a brasilian child and wife) if it is possible to work as an engineer? I think that I need a RNE first, after this is it possible to get a license from ANAC? or do I need to take a course in Brasil first as my training and licenses for North America do not apply here? ANAC has told me that they do not give licenses to estrangeros, even with the visa is this true? what about pilots and pilot training, is it the same? With a permanent visa is any of this possible or do I need to become "Brasilian" and try to get citizenship? Does anyone knwo how to do that as well?
Any and all help would be appreciated, thanks
wrenchturner

[BelArgUSA]

Oi wrenchturner -
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It may be somewhat difficult (initially) but Brasil is an excellent choice, for its aviation future.
Look at Embraer... Yes, Brasil went through tough times... Varig, VASP... etc.
But this XXIst century will be the century for Brasil and its aeronautical industry.
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As you probably know, RS, SC, MS are among the good states to get an aviation job.
As a pilot, I would suggest still making intial qualifications in the USA with FAA tickets.
Get good qualifications on "Bush" planes, even a seaplane rating.
Then get assistance of local aviation companies, for licencing.
A CPL, qualified say... C-185/206 with floats... and A&P ticket is gold.
Besides, you have a Brasileira as a wife, and kid... Will be a help.
And learn to speak fluent Portuguese, and some Spanish for the visitors.
And a green passport...
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I just moved to Floriapo for my retirement.
My wife was from Argentina, but spent the "dirty war" period as refugee in Porto Alegre.
It was her "second homeland" and she taught me to love that land too.
And helped me learning the language, was her second language.
After all, they drink mate too, I just have arguments for "futebol" teams.
I am for "River", but support their "Grêmio" too.
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If I was 20 years old again, Brasil is the place I would make my career.
Boa sorte para VC...
:ok:
Happy contrails

[alemaobaiano]

wrenchturner

Basically you need to become a citizen to get a licence from ANAC. You might be able to get a job without citizenship IF you have a specialist skill that is in short supply here, but I can't immediately think of anything that isn't covered by Brazilian engineers. Another alternative would be employment with a foreign company and a "temporary" assignment here, Azul have brought in a few engineers from the US until they can get their own staff up to speed.

You will need fluent Portuguese to convert your licences, but AFAIK you just need to do the exams, not the courses.

The story is essentially the same for pilots, and if you value your sanity don't go anywhere near bush operations, especially garimpo.

One other thing to remember is that salaries in aviation here are nothing spectacular, unless you get right to the top of the tree.

BelArg, Floripa IS Argentina in the summer months :) Nice place to retire though, SC and the south is almost another country.

Alemaobaiano

[Junker-13]

Will Azul use foreign pilots to fly the E-195?

China/India/Germany/Japan and others are using foreign pilots to fly the E-jets until nationals have time on the airplane.

EMBRAER pilots and some Brazilian pilots living outside of Brazil probably have time on the airplane.

I know some of the Azul pilots are training in Orlando on the jetBlue SIM.

Will Azul take pilots from the SIM to the left seat of the 195 with zero time on the actual airplane?

The 145 is similar but a different type.

Obrigado,
Junker-13

[alemaobaiano]

Junker-13

Azul probably won't use foreign pilots for a number of motives, and there isn't really any reason why they should. Apart from sim training in Orlando (there are no sims in Brazil, even though Embraers are built here :confused:) they are also conducting training on type here and at the Embraer factory, so they will have time on the aircraft before starting commercial operations.

Having said that, I don't really see a problem going live direct from the sim, it's similar to adding a new type to a fleet. The TAM 777 crews went through much the same process, as did the boys and girls for GOLs (or VRG if you prefer) 767 fiasco. All of Azuls recruits are experienced pilots on national flights, and most of them have operated many types of aircraft, so I don't see that as a big issue.

Alemaobaiano

[Junker-13]

Thank you for the reply Alemaobaiano.

I do agree I don’t think it is a big issue but I was just curious how they would handle that since Azul will be the first company in Brasil to have the 195’s.

Junker-13

[AeroBoero]

My father recently was “naturalised”. It took something of one to one and half year to get it done. So plan in advance and have a truck of patient. Good Luck!:ok:

[Junker-13]

Did your father have to resign his current citizenship in order to get the Brazilian one?

In the past, Brasil would not let you have dual citizenship. I don’t know if things have changed.

Junker-13

[Wrenchturner]

thanks for the respsonses guys, much appreciated, obrigado.
i guess that once i get the visa and rne sorted (hopefully shortly) i will find a lawyer to get going on the citizenship application. I would think like you said it will be difficult to get a license without citizenship, due to the lack of demand for engineers.

[varigflier]

I don't think it is an issue anymore for dual citizenship but in the 90s it used to be.

[BelArgUSA]

Some nations recognize the right of their citizens to acquire another citizenship.
Some countries do not. Here are some considerations and facts...
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Suppose you are European and become a Brazilian citizen.
You probably do not need to declare this to your country of citizenship.
So you keep that passport. You are a dual citizen...
But in Brazil, you are Brazilian. In Europe (x-country) you are a European.
When you travel, you can be a Brazilian or a European.
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In Brazil, you are NOT a dual citizen. You became Brazilian, so you are Brazilian.
You cannot wave your European passport in Brazil.
You cannot say "this does not apply to me, I am European...!".
If you enter Brazil, with a European passport, your passport is stamped for ENTRY.
There is a limit of time you can be in Brazil... say 30 or 90 days for Europeans.
If 6 months later, you are in Brazil, and use your European passport, you have exceeded that limit.
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Same thing in Europe, if you enter using your Brazilian passport.
If you wish to use your Brazilian citizenship, remember you are limited to stay 30 or 90 days...
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I had 3 passports...
One from Belgium (born there), a USA passport (lived there 25 years) and now an Argentina passport.
In Argentina, I am NOT a Belgian or USA citizen. I am Argentino.
When I visit back home in Brussels, I use my Belgian passport.
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Is there a country where "even" days you are one nationality, and "odd" days the other...?
xxx
:ok:
Happy contrails

[Junker-13]

BelArgUSA,

I am not sure if Brazil is different than Argentina but I believe in Brasil is a little bit more complicate.

I have a lot friends that born in Brasil a do have dual citizenship. As you mentioned you can’t be waiving both passport on the streets.

If you born in Brasil it is easier, you can go to a different country/government to pursuit your second citizenship. Many countries don’t care how many citizenship you have.

If you didn’t born in Brasil and want the Brazilian citizenship you would have to go to the Brazilian government/country to get you second citizenship. The Brazilian government would say you can’t have the Brazilian citizenship unless you resign your current one.

Junker-13

[BelArgUSA]

Junker -
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To resign US citizenship, it must be made in front of a US consular officer.
You can say "I resign my US citizenship" to the Brasilian officer.
So you are no longer a US citizen... as far as Brasil is concerned.
If you resign for real or not... only matters for Brasil government.
Born in USA. you always will be entitled to US citizenship by birth.
Many resign US citizenship to avoid IRS double taxation.
xxx
:)
Happy contrails

[Junker-13]

Thank you BelArgUSA,

That’s nice to know. :ok:

Take care,

Junker-13

[broadreach]

BelArg

Welcome to retirement in Floripa! And as for the citizenship/passport issue, believe you are correct. No fuss is made about dual nationality in Brazil, or triple for that matter. One of my sons (civil engineer, UK and Peruvian nationality) took Brazilian citizenship a few years ago.

And that's probably the route wrenchturner should take. Once his application for citizenship is in, and assuming he can handle himself reasonably well in Portuguese and get along ok with Brazilian colleagues, his presumably native English would be an asset to any company. In my own career I've had many occasions to bring in other people in a similar situation - wife and kids - and it's almost invariably been good for us and for them.

So good luck wrenchturner!

[gustavoa320]

Being honest,
It's not allowed for foreing people to work as a pilot in a brazilian company.
As an engineer, you have a good chance, once you have a very good back ground.
To become a brazilian citizen it's another very long way to walk to.
But anyway, good luck my friend!
We have wonderfull places to live here.

[bombinha]

Ok guys the law is by constitution it says that pilot is exclusively of Brazilian born or Naturalized. That said is the reason why ANAC don't give license to foreign borns.
In several countries USA included it says if you are a dual citizenship you gotta obey the countries and act as a citizen of the country you hold citizenship. In other words if u are in USA u can't say you are Brazilian and vice-versa. And by the way this is written on US passport.
Despite they call dual citizenship USA and Brazil (since Fernando Henrique Cardoso first mandate) both recognize up to 3 citizenships one from your own one from your mother and one from your father ofcourse one can be also aquired through your spouse but never more than 3 or you gotta give up one but like was said here some contries don't need to know you got another citizenship in somewhere else. I will not tell and wouldn't tell if I were you. kkkkk
Those I mention above are laws and can be checked on your (US) passport or Policia Federal in Brazil anything else is rumor.