42 days Leave only for new joiners to GF

[Mow]

From an insider, it is has been confirmed that new contracts will offer only 42 days leave annually instead of 52 days.

After all work been done to have only identical contracts for all pilots, the HR is heading to start its discrimination once again.

Regionally, all the good points about GF are being disseminated, and I think soon Travel Tickets will be reduced as well. What is it that remaining? :sad:

[ironbutt57]

I think soon Travel Tickets will be reduced as well. What is it that remaining?

What makes you think that?? Are you "working without tools"? Or is there some plan to reduce that as well...

[brick in the wall]

Not that i have heard.I think Mow is a bit of a drama queen.

[ironbutt57]

I think the whole issue is a bit over dramatic:rolleyes:

[tmax]

Guys relax! New joiners do not care about Leave or staff travel benefits cause for them GF is just a tech stop!! GF hired an XL senior captain for F/O position!! How long he will last?? Objective for them is to keep themselves current,have cash flow for their expences and update their CV!!It happened before many times!!

[Panama Jack]

There IS reason to be concerned, if this is true. For more information, take a look at examples such as "A", "B" and "C" scales at other airlines such at Cathay Pacific.

[obsidian]

i dont think that mow is being dramatic! bn and cc want to cut down and save on as much as they can,and they will try and reduce it for not only new joiners but also for senior gf pilots,they are just trying to figure out a way to do it! this is from some one who works inside the office..:{

[Sal-e]

I'm afraid you're right, PJ. It all starts this way. Then it's back to the age old formula of DIVIDE AND CONQUER. We've seen these signs before elsewhere.
IB57, you would know more about this wouldn't you?

[Mow]

I wanna believe you guys, I wanna be dramatic. I wish that our facilities will be left untouched. A lot of new joiners are coming, and very soooon will find out.

But, if HR tried to play with pilots leave now, the way they like.. what will stop them from changing contracts to the way they like as well. And maybe, we will be faced with either you take it or leave it, same as what happened in Etihad.

It seems that HR is getting strong enough to run all departments, and once this is happened, no wonder we will be another governmental office. :sad:

[Togalk]

I dont really see a problem with them offering different contracts for pilots who have not joined yet. They have the opportunity to accept what is offered or not. But, I do see a problem with them changing the contract AFTER it has been agreed to by both parties.

[Chuck Y]

First give the new joiners different contracts, then when the percentage of "new" contracts to "old" contracts are up get the HR guy to say that it is not acceptable that people have different contracts & all contracts must be brought into line. Then there are 2 choices:
1) Increase the "new" contracts leave or.
2) Decrease the "old" contracts leave.
What do you think?

After running multiple & extremely complex simulations with myriads of inputs & variables I believe that I have the conclusion....

Obviously they will pick the first option since HR is al about honesty & integrity.

On the ticket front HR are trying to arrange our travel by boat or train since the contract does not state that your transport is necessarily by air.

[brassplate]

i have a big problem with pilots working same jobs and getting different contracts. just the sound of this makes you cringe.
pj and sal are absolutely correct on this one. it will ultimately lead to cx infamous 'scaled' remuneration resulting in what chuck y said.

VERY HIDEOUS MOVE BY MANAGEMENT

[DesertHawk]

i think in recent weeks we have seen a terrifying turn of event. the HR department might as well be called our Operations manager as well. Obviously GF is willing to continue to be a stepping stone carrier for many. If things continue down this path we can expect more reduced benefits and weak managment:(

[brassplate]

i made mention of this in another thread.

i quote:

"50 days plus 2 days travel is what's on the old contracts.

which means:

you can have your 50 days as per the contract, but you gotta get paid what's on the old contract as well.

which is why:

we NEVER GOT NEW CONTRACTS when the new package was released!!
they allowed themselves a proviso to enable them to change the leave conditions as they saw fit!!

which means:

a good way to find out if leave has changed is to ask new pilots what their leave entitlements are.

could someone please do that? "

is everyone listening now?
already, new recruits are getting less.

[Chuck Y]

Whether your contract states your new-ish package with an increased basic, etc or not has no effect on the validity of the rest of your contract, as far as Bahraini courts go. So any reducting in benefits is & will forever be illegal. So don't get wound up in the HR hype about how we got a greatly improved package so it's time for them to cut from us!!! It's all BS & believe me plenty of management are scratching theirs empty heads now trying to figure out what to do since a court date is definately not in their interest.

[obsidian]

chucky is absolutely right, they cant change your pay or your leave entitilement by law,they are just assuming that half of us dont know what the hell is going on...as far as contracts go,u really need one just hire a lawyer and get it out of them,which will happen in the near future i think,as a couple of pilots are consulting with a lawyer as we speak:E

[Packs off]

Didn't the old G contract run alongside the later contract for many years (and may still be in a few cases). I am hoping they leave the old contracts alone, but we will need to keep a close eye on HR. I am always puzzled by cases of the tail wagging the dog. How many flights operate without pilots, but at a pinch the airline could operate in the short term without HR:ugh:?

[Tziganul]

Hey Guys,

Im new now with GF and I can confirm that in my contract it is written in black on a white paper that it's 50 days + 2 for travel! I don't know where you got your info cause I'd like to look at it and if that's true then ...

[Panama Jack]

That's good to hear! :)

[Mephistopheles]

Tziganul, welcome. I am sure you will enjoy it here-good bunch of people to fly with just don't take the management too seriously.
Maybe you could send a copy of your contract to a MR C C since he seems unable to read any of the other contracts that have been shown to him. If you could hi-light the relevant section that would also help a great deal in speeding up things in the office.

[40&80]

New contracts were introduced on a sign or resign basis in Gf in 1976...only one pilot resigned.
Sheik Essa was advised by a flight deck wife what was going on and Sheik Esaa reversed the decision and old contracts were retained and became known as G contracts...I had one and remained on it despite threats of no B767 conversion course if I did not sign it away at a cost of BD10000.00per year to me.
However Gf retaliated by giveing more salery and other perks to pilots now hired under the new contracts and denied these to the old G contract pilots....the law was you could not downgrade an existing contract or renew on lesser terms...but you could offer new contracts on lesser or better terms to new hires.
BA retirees arrived and were on GF 12 year Captains increments salery and enhanced allowances.
GF can be very spiteful within the law and you should be aware of this.

[Mow]

Good to hear from you 40 80 ;)

[Tziganul]

Hey guys,

This is directly from my contract:

The Employee's place of recruitment for the purpose of annual leave and repatriation shall be (...) The Employee will receive 50 Calendar days per annum inclusive of public holidays. Annual leave cannot be cumulative for more than one year unless approved by the Company.

[Albergineman]

I subtracted this from the "Communication of salary package" letter issued last year.
At the bottom line among other issues there is this statement:

All components not mentioned remain at the current levels

So it is easy to understand that there is no reason to worry about since it was signed by the so A/CEO that eventually became CEO.
Add this to your contract's folder as I did altogether with all other letters issued by the company regarding to package.

:ok:

[obsidian]

40&80 they can retaliate which ever way they want,we only stopped flyin on days off and leave imagine if we went sick on a regular basis,like 60 in one day! they cant do ****,fire all of us impossible...:E

[Mow]

Guys this matter is closed. :D

The COO confirmed in his email that new joiners will also receive 50 days of leave plus 2 travel-days. :)

[Sal-e]

This matter is closed now? You started this post that nearly caused an upheaval. I wish you would thoroughly research your facts before creating unnecesarry alarm.
These new joiners always had those conditions and were not changed from 42 to 50 days as a result of our activities.
Who was it that gave the unaccurate information to start of with? The same guys behind this whole movement whom we are all blindly following? If we are going to do this properly, the very least prerequisite is to have the right information.
Be very careful guys so as not to discredit what started as valid points and issues against the company.