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tony draper
16th Oct 2008, 17:57
Pinched from another website.

London, Oct ** -- Following received from Egypt Coast Guard, timed ****, UTC: Fully cellular containership ****** (44,*** gt, built 1996) is currently anchored off Port Said with no satellite and navigation communications. The crew are unable to effect repairs and technicians are expected on scene at midnight.

Err don't they oblige Navigating officers to learn navigation now?, do not they have a wee glass case somewhere on the bridge containing a sextant and charts with the words In Case of Emergency Break Glass on a plastic sign beneath.
One is quite sure you heavier than air machine chaps can find yer way about without all that fancy electronics if called upon to do so.:E

16th Oct 2008, 18:35
Hi Tony
"Err don't they oblige Navigating officers to learn navigation now?" Nay, it's all done with a/p like the airlines.I got one on my little boat cool.

Squeegee Longtail
16th Oct 2008, 19:35
...it doesn't say they're lost. They are anchored off Said. It just says no Sat working. Part of their GMDSS says they have to have that working before going to sea. Sextants are still used daily to keep up profficiency and to train the young'uns.

16th Oct 2008, 19:37
Do they still have navigators on ships these days?

Lost them from aeroplanes years ago.

16th Oct 2008, 19:50
Lost them from aeroplanes years ago.Methinks some military folk might disagree . . .

16th Oct 2008, 19:58
Recently took a 62,000GT cruise ship out of Israel and after an argument with the state navy over my chosen route towards Cyprus found ourselves without satellite comms or GPS until about 20 miles off Cyprus where our escorts returned to Haifa.
Not really a big problem in the open sea, but when operating at 30kn with tight schedules, close to land and everything planned to the minute GPS is a requirement. Then without satellite communications you can't go anywhere; because the pre-arrival paperwork, clearances to transit suez canal, enter terratorial waters etc requires e-mail (previously by telex).

The use of the sextant is all well and good, and most navigators are pretty competent with it, but I reckon the closest intercept i've ever managed is about 2nm and absolutely useless when its cloudy.

One positive note is that they are reintroducing loran c.

tony draper
16th Oct 2008, 20:20
True Mr G-C but Doctor Beecham's cuts caused almost at much trouble for RAF navigators as he did for Engine Drivers.:E

16th Oct 2008, 21:50
RAF navigators

... and apprentice pilots. There is a place somewhere in the Fens that used to have a railway station bearing the proud legend in large easily-read letters "Goole". Very helpful, really.

Lon More
16th Oct 2008, 22:21
Doomed is he who navigates as a chemist,
For he dispenses with accuracy

Not everybody is impressed by accuracy anyway


17th Oct 2008, 06:04
Interesting article in Business & Commercial Avtn (Oct 08 page 122) on renewed US Govt funding for USCG to update Loran-C to eLoran. It reports eLoran is accurate to approx 26 feet. Netscape Enterprise Server Home Page (http://www.aviationweek.com/bca). The article is not in the online database yet.