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Loose rivets
12th Oct 2008, 07:47
A pal sent it to me for my birthday...well, it was the front cover of the card. He remembers my Sunbeam shaft drive. Only scanned on a printer cos I bust me pro scanner.

Having looked at it several times, I started to wonder...The mottling is just part of the card printing process I'm sure.


Higher def if you are curious.


Pinky the pilot
12th Oct 2008, 08:19
Would'nt mind the motorcycle!:ok: Appears to be a 'squaffer' as they were called here way back then.

Loose rivets
12th Oct 2008, 08:29
Tis a Sunbeam...But it's the picture on the card I'm getting at.


Romeo India Xray
12th Oct 2008, 08:45
Tis a Sunbeam...But it's the picture on the card I'm getting at.

OK, can you please be a bit more specific (or is it just me being really thick?

It is 12:10 so relax about the guy reading the paper and not working - he is probably on a lunch break.

Can't see a holder for the clocking-in-cards near the clocking-in machine but could just be out of the frame.

Not too sure about the flourescent tube - seems to be a bit out of place assuming this was an early 2CV - sorry, forgotten the English word for somthing that is out of place by being too modern for the time that is being portrayed - can anyone help?

OK, give me another clue - exactly what about the picture? I am at a loss (or very thick).


12th Oct 2008, 08:53
I believe anachronism is the oft-misused term you are looking for. As for the picture I'm a bit lost too. Is the question whether it is a painting or a photo? Looks a pretty obvious painting to me... maybe I've got it wrong too.

12th Oct 2008, 08:56
Aha - no front number plate

tony draper
12th Oct 2008, 09:07
Nice shed but suspiciously tidy,all the tools on that rack in their appointed place?,never happen,must be a painting.

Dr. Bunsen Honeydew
12th Oct 2008, 09:28
Man is only 4'6" as the workbench is up to his chest.... mind you the citroen must have been tailor made for his diminutive stature. Either that, or the bike and bench belong to the giant half of his circus double act! Aaah, perspective is a wonderful thing..... I wish my garage door had that much width to spare.

12th Oct 2008, 09:31
I would have thought it is so obvious.

On the far right of the work bench is a head with a HS3 SU carburettor.

Any fool knows that the particular head shown was usually fitted with a

And I thought Jet Blast contributors were a clever lot..........

12th Oct 2008, 09:33
Now that Iceiand is teetering on the edge of
becoming a "Banana" republic, does anyone
have a good recipe for bananas and cod? :confused:

Whoops, wrong thread, Sorry!!!!
(Just got up!) :ugh:

BAMRA wake up
12th Oct 2008, 09:49
Definitely a painting, or more accurately an illustration, probably for a book or magazine. The mottling is from the dot printing process. The illustration has been copied from a book/mag and used by the card maker.

The illustrator's name, D Roberts, and the car reg no, NTE 174, don't show up in google.

Get the guys over at the 'which aerodrome' thread onto this, they'd probably identify the garage!

The mechanic is a midget! Must have been added as an afterthought.

Lon More
12th Oct 2008, 10:06
You lot are blind. It's obviously mid 1960's; apart from the dodgy, no doubt cotton covered wiring you lot missed loads of hints; tin of straight 40 weight oil on the bench and the head gasket for an 883cc side-valve Ford. It's early summer as the wisteria (sp?) is in flower, the radio is playing Mrs. Dale's Diary on the Home Service.
As all the spanners are for Whitworth fittings the french intruder is being treated with total disdain - which coincidentally sounds like a by product of the French oil industry

BTW that's not the mechanic, that's The Lad. The mechanic's down the pub for his lunchtime pint.

blue up
12th Oct 2008, 10:14
To the right of the door there appears to be a laptop computer running.:ooh:

12th Oct 2008, 10:30
Popular one this for a Sunday, Mr Rivets :D

probably for a book or magazine

or on card, could have originally been a calendar..remember the tear-off dates on the bottom...

12th Oct 2008, 10:43
The clocking in machine has had the punching mechanisiam removed and converedted into a wall clock. My oppo made a packet when replacing those with the modern Amarno versions and getting his mate to do the conversion. A mere 100 from the local hostlries.

12th Oct 2008, 10:54
"The Lad" looks quite curvaceous to me; might be "The Lass" which would explain diminutive stature!



12th Oct 2008, 11:17
Precisely what I originally thought; you could be Rivets' winner here..

Romeo India Xray
12th Oct 2008, 11:19
I believe anachronism is the oft-misused term you are looking for.

Thanks, so did I, but then looked it up and seems to relate only to outdated articles and artifacts.

The pit has been covered - it is really quite obvious to me now.

Mr Roberts (the painter) was comissioned by Sadam Hussein to drop a hint to the west as to the location of his WMDs. The curvy lady is the real key as she is on the payroll of O B Laden who has a vested interest in keeping the WMDs handed to him by Sadam in his will, within firing distance of the UK and/or USA. The 2CV is the additional hint - this MUST be somewhere in NW France where it would be possible to hit London, Tolouse (hurt the EuroAero Industry at it's centre) and also take a pot shot at the USA in the hope of getting lucky.


Find that girl NOW - Our lives are all in the balance with this evidence, we have no time to loose (or Tolouse?)!!!!!


12th Oct 2008, 11:24
Wrong thread?:confused:
Shurely you should be on 911 Conspiracy Redux?

12th Oct 2008, 11:27
It's obviously a painting because it's not raining.:rolleyes:

Romeo India Xray
12th Oct 2008, 11:28
It would have been a good idea except for the fact that I can see no possible way of shoe-horning a 911 into that pit. Sure the 911 is small but it is not really a TVR or better Westfield which i'm sure you COULD get into the pit (sideways). Why else would the pit be covered? There are WMDs in there I tell you!!



It is obviously ... NOT IN THE UK .... because it is not raining :}

12th Oct 2008, 11:31
MustPost, Shirley that should be 911 conspiracy reflux.

BAMRA wake up
12th Oct 2008, 11:40
'NTE' is that a old Bolton car reg?

That's 'tiny tim' Fred Entwhistle, mechanic and weekend ferreter, skiving and reading the Racing Times.

The boss has given 'Di-di' Harris-Hinge, sexy french wife of a local red brick university lecturer, and owner of the 2CV, a lift home via a country pub.

It's 2:05 and the boss still isn't back!

green granite
12th Oct 2008, 12:04
It was painted by D Roberts.

Buster Hyman
12th Oct 2008, 12:11
Isn't that Ryanair's heavy maintenance facility?

12th Oct 2008, 12:40
Off to similar place..

12th Oct 2008, 13:05
a. There are no CND or rainbow stickers on the car.

b. D Roberts always paints a mouse in his pictures. Clearly this one doesn't have one and therefore we are looking at a work by Tom Keating.

c. The rag on the worktop looks suspiciously clean.

d. The motor engineer is looking at herself on Page 3 of The Sun.

e. The bike has two seats. (eticket is not into bikes and doesn't know if this type could take two seats.)

f. There is something on the ground that looks like suspiciously like an early model conveyor belt.

g. The Frenchies must have been on strike again as the car doesn't appear to have its front indicators. Or is this the model with the stick out the side indicator flags ala Morris?

The Real Slim Shady
12th Oct 2008, 13:34
The 2CV is a LHD but the bike, cunning this, is RHD !!!!

12th Oct 2008, 13:44
There's nothing in the picture which lends itself to fish puns.
Oh for cod's hake, Gobbie ... there's a motor pike in the picture isn't there?

the beater
12th Oct 2008, 14:53
It's the doors.
The bracing is wrong.:8
How do I get my reward?

Captain Stable
12th Oct 2008, 14:57
There are no girlie calendars or copies of Sun P3 on the wall
The garage pit is far too wide to fit the 2CV across wivout it falling in
The hasp on the door is attached to the inside - could be problematical when it's time to go home for tea...
It's a LHD 2CV which implies France but the bike appears to display a UK tax disc and the reg on the 2CV ain't Froggie
Can't fink of nuffing else, guv

the beater
12th Oct 2008, 14:57
And the hinge is wrong.
T'would only open inwards.
Wasn't a bench hand joiner for nought!

12th Oct 2008, 15:59
A colour newspaper? Really?

12th Oct 2008, 16:05
Didn't the (motorcycle) tax disc have to be able to be read from the nearside?

12th Oct 2008, 16:15
If you look closely at the (suspiciously blue) sky to the top right of the tree you can see the Chemtrail!!!

12th Oct 2008, 16:26
are you lot just stoopid?
Take a look at the right lower side of the picture. That particular type of trolley jack wasn't produced until early 1962. The age of the car and bike indicate a picture of about 1950's vintage.
Basically it's a badly painted picture, with items of different era's scattered about the place, straight out of someone's heed!


BAMRA wake up
12th Oct 2008, 16:41
Hmm, helimutt, have to agree, the more you look at it the worse it gets!
Being polite you'd call it a 'montage', but 'cobbled together' would be more accurate! (sorry rivets!).

That object on the right is a radio, or should I say wireless, on a plank, on an oil drum. Open cash box on top?

The car reg is 60's I'd say - over to G-CPTN, who will know more about these things...

12th Oct 2008, 17:28
Well, well , back from BAMRA's 'country pub' (see previous post if in doubt) where I met a 'senior' Vincent Comet driver on a longish bimble. Not particularly unusual, nice machine, except he had one of the new-fangled Alton electric starters :yuk: also a K+N filter :uhoh:. When I gave him the directions he was looking for, he smiled and said "Bye", hit the button and was off.........
Not sure I agree, Dear Doctor, am I getting old??

Rivets, all of the suggestions are being sent to you in unstamped envelopes for you to pick up the postage - serves you right :E

12th Oct 2008, 17:38
The car (registration) no longer exists, however, the illustration might represent a contemporary (historic) event, a scene involving retro (preserved) vehicles, or pure fantasy, so the validity of any items included needn't necessarily date back to pre 1963 (when suffix letter registrations were introduced). Indeed, there are many vehicles extant today with pre-1963 registrations, either as original issue or from transfers. 2CV production ceased in 1990, but there must be many survivors, especially left-hand drive models.
Those who believe that all workshops conform to a prescribed pattern with all items of similar age have never seen a true enthusiast's 'den' or, indeed, one of the many small businesses that specialise in maintaining older vehicles.
Could it be that the motorcycle is the personal transport of the proprietor? (If, indeed, the establishment is a commercial facility, though even (or especially so) if it is a private workshop, the situation could be true.)

Um... lifting...
12th Oct 2008, 18:05
Well, surely the thing has left-drive... I can't see how you series of eagle-eyed pedants missed that (save the G-CPTN, goes w'out saying). 'Course... p'raps Citroen don't make 'em no other way... wouldn't know... French cars, Italian government, British chefs, Swiss lovers... certain things best left as mysteries...

12th Oct 2008, 18:22
1. As said earlier, perspective is less than perfect. The 2CV is drawn too small... it would have nearly blocked the entrance and have fitted perfectly well over the pit.

2. The bright yellow of the 2CV is a dead giveaway.
It means it was restored and resprayed in the last ten to fifteen years....
There were a few "fun" liveries towards the end, like the James Bond version, and the "trans-at" (deck chair) one, but not this one.

Oh, and a competent mechanic would have kept his bench tidy.

12th Oct 2008, 18:33
2CV production ceased in 1990, but there must be many survivors, especially left-hand drive models.There are. Our local garage nearly always has one being restored in the back.
But nearly all are now "enthusiasts" items... virtually none are still extant that are used as daily "runabouts".
Contrary to the 2CV's near-contemporary, the Renault 4L. I know at least two people here locally that still use one almost daily....

PS: when I say local... small village close to Montpellier, southern France.

Loose rivets
12th Oct 2008, 19:01
Well, I never expected this reaction. Some great detectives out there. However, Binoculars and Mr D got on the right track quite quickly. It was hard to pose the question, without giving the game away.

When the card arrived from the UK, at first glance I just thought that it was a thoughtful picture from a friend that remembered my S7. The delightful garage was high...is high on my wish list. Has been all my life I guess. Anyway, with the small picture, it was sometime before the anomalies started to sink in. I looked at the picture with an eyeglass, and that limited the macro-appreciation factor, but allowed me to see the chromed flexi-exhaust link that was so tedious to clean. What detail! must be a photo...no, the gear lever was minute on the real machine...now the other clues were pouring in in torrents.

I too thought about the neat spanners being of no use to a real mechanic stuck up there. But then, that's where I put my rare Whitworth and the like...so not too far fetched. Anyway, the things that have been spotted prompt me to send a link to my pal to show what interest his picture aroused.

I have a pal who was 3rd generation (at least) of a villiage garage in Kirby le Soken near Walton and Frinton. It was situated between the two main pubs -- one my second home for over 50 years. I would wobble past on by bike, and more often than not stop for a chat. Other guys of my age would wander up, and we'd say things like. "I used to help pumpt the air-furnace when this was a forge." or "is the kettle on?" Anyway, my mate Grahame would always have a smile, and half an hour to lean on a tractor or summit, and pass the time of day. Why can't life be like that still. It was a pipe dream that I would buy all or part of the business and stand outside nattering for most of the day. It got sold to a developer and pulled down.:{

A previous post about an incident that made me a better driver for life. I still have the scars.


12th Oct 2008, 20:01
In order to bring some form of closure to this thread :cool:(given that we collectively appear to have scored a point each :suspect:) can I leave you with my co-commentator's quote during a deux chevaux race at Ingliston near Edinburgh in the '80's. (Yes there is/was a class for the car).
After the start, as they came through the 'esses', he said 'it's like a field of wheat waving in the autumn wind'.
You get the picture (I believe he had stolen the quote tho'..)

12th Oct 2008, 21:21
I see a 2CV being driven down my road on an almost daily basis, if I don't see it, I hear it.

Red & white colour but I can't remember the poncy name they gave it (peaches & cream?)

12th Oct 2008, 21:29
Red & white colour but I can't remember the poncy name they gave it (peaches & cream?)
Dolly I believe it was named.

I've never owned (or even driven) a 2CV (though I've travelled in one across the Le Mans 'infield' - it was a taxi to Mulsanne signalling during the 24 Hours Race), however, I have owned two Renault 4s (and magnificent machines they were too - within the limits of such vehicles).
Ideal for touring the Highlands of Scotland (once you get there) as the full-length sun-roof enables sight-seeing and photographing whilst driving through passes such as the one to Applecross, and particularly useful for reaching remote beaches beyond roads and having (extremely comfortable) seats that could be removed and used as 'deckchairs' for a sophisticated picnic.
Economical (except at motorway speeds - if that isn't an oxymoron) and manoeuvrable (easy to park) yet spacious inside (easily took a twin tub washing machine in its packing case! - that was a hoot when the salesman at Comet asked what make of van we had . . . ;-).
Wish they still made them.

12th Oct 2008, 21:49
Ah sir, an ex-racing driver and 2 or 3 others and myself had exactly the same conversation last week - all agreed the Four was a very practical and rapid means of progress. One could pedal it on. My late Dad used to commute daily between Tarbert and Campbeltown in the early '80's. Round trip 80 miles; no sweat he said, and I believed him..

The red and black 2CV was a 'Charleston'. Oh how we larfed...

the two main pubs -- one my second home for over 50 years. I would wobble past on by bike

well.. 50 years.., no surprises about the wobbling then..:}

12th Oct 2008, 21:55
For those unfamiliar with the road to Applecross, here is a photograph (and yes, the road does wind down between those walls:-

12th Oct 2008, 23:08
I learned the other day why the 2CV is so popular with animal lovers - when the car hits a dog or other animal it falls to bits leaving the animal unscathed.

12th Oct 2008, 23:57
The clues are so easy. The time's on the wall clock, the date's on the newspaper. :8

The 2CV's obviously on a SORN notification as it's not showing a tax disc.

12th Oct 2008, 23:57
wtfitpott ?

Loose rivets
13th Oct 2008, 01:04
well.. 50 years.., no surprises about the wobbling then..http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/badteeth.gif

PA! Pa, I say.

One's little legs were a blur on the way to the pub, until a year or so ago. Having 90 atomic gizmoes injected into me parts has mad me cycle standing up...which slows me down a tad. :eek:

Yeh, it was Jasper Carrot that said that the 2CV was a vegetarian's car. :p

One admired greatly a local lass that had one of those. Despite her beauty, I would have drawn the line at being seen out in it. Have to maintain some standards. Oh, and it didn't even have a heater.

13th Oct 2008, 04:26
Nothing to do with the question but it's the 60th anniversary of the 2CV.

That will date some.

50th anniversary of the Mini.

13th Oct 2008, 06:30
The electric drill on the bench (with an orange cable) looks suspiciously modern.

Romeo India Xray
13th Oct 2008, 07:16
Why will no one buy into my theory about the pit being Sadam's (now handed over to Osama Bin Laden) secret store for WMDs - Our lives are all at risk and no one will listen :{

Guys LISTEN TO ME - we have to act quickly!!!


13th Oct 2008, 07:34
The Citreon was knackered and came to the garage on the back of a Transit truck. They backed the truck in and found they didn't have the kit to get it off. They unstrapped it from the truck bed, the driver revved up to max revs, engaged first gear and dropped the clutch. The Transit did a wheelie out of the garage and the Citreon came off at the entrance.
You can see that by the tyre burn marks on the garage floor.
The Sunbeam belongs to the truck owner who is surveying the remains of his Transit in the trees and the driver is reading the Sits Vacant column in the local newspaper.

Captain Stable
13th Oct 2008, 08:35
I used to own a 2CV. It was my first (owned) car after I gave up my previous career and a procession of (characterless) company cars and I was poor since all my money went on flying.

Loved that 2CV. Roadholding is excellent. The wheels stay glued to the road, and the body sways all over the place on suspension made from 2,000,000 Royal Mail rubber bands. I used to replace bits (one window, one door and one or two other bits) on it by visiting scrapyards, and the repair shop I used was tucked in a railway arch somewhere in the back of Shepherds Bush. Bloke who did the work was a 2CV fan, and used to charge peanuts for his work mainly because he enjoyed it so much. God knows how he managed to make a living.

If you wanted to overtake anything you had to plan the manoeuvre two days in advance...

13th Oct 2008, 09:33
deux chevaux was ideal car for driving in snow- narrow tyres- you did not need abs or traction control- it just went thru everything
_wrap up warm tho..

Captain Stable
13th Oct 2008, 16:00
Dead right, acmi. I had fun one night going to Southend round the magic roundabout with horrendous conditions - snow blizzard, icy road, trucks skidding, jacknifed, falling back down the hills, cars stuck in snowdrifts etc. etc.

My little 2CV just kept on going. Being air-cooled she loved the temp, tyres cut straight through to the surface. I even stopped at one point to give a Jag a jump-start - you could just see his chagrin at THAT and, apart from arriving at about the time I should have been coming off my last sector, everything was fine.

13th Oct 2008, 16:21
It can't possibly be a painting, the pendulum of the clock is shown at its extreme swing, it would only be stationary there for an instant, surely not long enough to paint it.

cockney steve
13th Oct 2008, 17:21
The Tin Snail's an imported "barn find" -someone bought a French hideaway Fermette and there it was in the" Grange"....Obvious, really.....that pattern of front grille just never made it to the UK.

Appparently, Citroen SA were so embarrassed at the antiquated factory and it's working -practices, that visits were not allowed.

Tin Snail had a very effective heater,with 2 lumps of 6" trunking made from laminated brown-paper and tinfoil with very small circumferential corrugations.The trunking was lined with a layer of soft foam-plastic -sound adeadening, insulation and,together with the corrugations, allowed it to be bent to fit the tin spigots on the bulkhead and engine shrouding.....the air was diverted via bowden-cable and piano-wire operated flap-valves. the fan was on the crankshaft-nose.

My garage was a much scruffier version of the picture,-originally a barn, the doorway was in the centre of the long side, which had 3 circular (oriole) windows. I still had the old petrol-pumps with illuminated globes and "clock-hands" lost it in a major fire in the mid 90's....the picture is very evocative of my time "spannering"....yes, I did Ag. machinery,bikes,marine-engines, welding,spraying, etc. plenty of variety and no two days the same. Drove everything from an Isetta to a Rolls.
Spec. builder bought the derelict shell and it's currently a trendy kitchen-showroom.
AHHH, Nostalgia's not like it used to be. :}

Lon More
13th Oct 2008, 18:25
Front number plates on bikes disappeared in the late 1960s IIRC

13th Oct 2008, 18:49
Front number plates on bikes disappeared in the late 1960s IIRCDid someone go around collecting them?
I presume that they were deemed dangerous because of their 'blade' configuration?
If they had been retained, the ANPR cameras still wouldn't have been able to read them though . . .

13th Oct 2008, 19:38
I am appalled that no one has spotted what is obviously wrong with the image!

Clearly there is not a hint of personal protective equipment, high-viz jackets, steel toe capped footwear, safety glasses and the like. Furthermore, there appears to be no emergency exit signs or lighting, fire extinguisher, first aid kit or provision for safe disposal of used lubricants. Also there is no health and safety information, no smoking signs, workers rights posters or restricted access signs, I even doubt that there are separate male and female toilets.

What kind of impression do you think you are creating for the general public who are viewing this site, the place is quite clearly a death trap and should any poor individual emulate any of the conditions depicted here then they would be sure of almost immediate death.

I suggest that you remove this dangerous article, or at least post a public disclaimer so the innocent can be protected.

Ohh, just found my coat and my tablets!


13th Oct 2008, 19:55
....that pattern of front grille just never made it to the UK.

It did.......I had one. They made some RHD examples in Slough in the mid-50's. Mine was a 1956 example - the most vile, putrescent and simply pathetic excuse for a car. I still wake up in a cold sweat just thinking about it.

Loose rivets
13th Oct 2008, 20:07
Front number plates on bikes disappeared in the late 1960s IIRC

'sfunny. I had to go back to my snap of the 50s, just to see if I had a front number plate. As you may have seen, mine did. I purchased that in about 1958...so I would have been c18 then.

I could remember the number but not the plate. Also remember the other numbers.

MYK 425 FOR 197 AND BRT 191

Try as I might, I can not remember the numbers of my cars now. One I've had for 8 years!

My Brrrrrrrrrrain hurts :(

It's Not Working
13th Oct 2008, 20:19
Owned 2 of em, 2CVs that is, the first cost 50 was a 400cc (403?) like the one in picture (no back quarterlights) and was a real wreck. Living then in Germany most of its 'new' bit came from a scrappie just over the boarder in Holland. Gearbox gave up one day and managed to change that at the side of the road with just the use of a handfull of spanners. Sold that for 40 a couple of years later.

Second one, also LHD, (603cc or something near that) cost 2285 brand new on-the-road tax free also from Holland. Imported it into Italy and it gave us endless fun there for 3 years. Brought it back into the UK where it was given an F-Plate, you'll not see any younger than G-plates, and eventually sold it to a lady going to live in France.

Driving them was 100% concentration, relax and they would bite; possibly the only classic I will ever own.

Saw a Austin A35 towing a caravan this morning (of similar vintage) now that looked fun.

John Hill
13th Oct 2008, 20:43
I want to know what that head gasket hanging on the nail fits! It appears to be for a four cylinder overhead cam engine there being no holes for the push rods. There is a smaller, hard to see, gasket for a six cylinder OHC hanging near the door.

The motor bike is obviously brand new, it is clearly of British manufacture yet there it stands without a matching oil puddle and I can only conclude that someone is yet to put any oil in it!

Loose rivets
13th Oct 2008, 21:41
They weren't all all bad about dripping oil, but the cam cover was cast ally and there was no protection from over crushing, so I schemed a long plate with two stud holes on top.

Again, I'm astonished at the things I can remember from 50 years ago.

The Marshell / Marchell Fantastic spot light may have been what the one on my bike was called. Anyway, that one was put on the front of a matchbox Morris cos the two corroded reflectors put my mom and I over the grass on a chicane one night coming back from Colchester. That was seriously bright.

When the car had died, we took that light to the roof, and hid between the chimney stack and the tiles. When an old boy came along on his bike, (remember what real dark was?) we bathed him in blue-white light. He never even looked up. Aliens? Is what he must have been thinking. Or he didn't give a hoot. Or he just knew that it was that blooody boy Rivets.:E

Now, in all fairness the artist, One will show a link to the folk that supply the art under license. Had no idea such an organization existed.

DDFA LICENSING (http://www.ddfa.com/)

13th Oct 2008, 21:51

Loose rivets
13th Oct 2008, 21:58
Ello, ello, ello....What 'av we got 'ere? Excuse me Sir, did you know that one of you lights was defective?

13th Oct 2008, 22:06
Jeez - put that lot on and you'd go backwards...

13th Oct 2008, 22:07
Yes, lights (if fitted) - have to comply with the regulations (or at least they did in 1966 when I was running a Lotus Clubman car on the road). Lights weren't mandatory - unless you drove at night.
If you had a windscreen that you couldn't look over or around, then you had to have windscreen wipers too (regardless of whether it was actually raining at the time) . . .
Funny old World.

Lon More
13th Oct 2008, 22:33
John Hill see my eaarlier comment about the head gasket. Probably from a Ford 8, 10 or Pop - 883 or 1172cc side valve or an Austin 7 - 750cc. All you needed to fix anything on either of them were about 4 spanners and a large hammer

Loose rivets
14th Oct 2008, 05:53
Here, the Inspection ($12 . 50cents) they always try to sell you new wipers...but your windscreen is not part of the test.

Bloke picked his kids up from the school, I thought he was joking when he got in the car....the driver's side was smashed and curved in with tape over most of it. He drove off leaning across his kid.

John Hill
15th Oct 2008, 02:20
John Hill see my eaarlier comment about the head gasket. Probably from a Ford 8, 10 or Pop - 883 or 1172cc side valve or an Austin 7 - 750cc. All you needed to fix anything on either of them were about 4 spanners and a large hammer

Do you really think so? Were those motors all side valve jobbies? The holes in that gasket look round which indicates to me an overhead valve engine.

Loose rivets
15th Oct 2008, 03:33
Well, there could be a bit of poetic license about the artwork on that gasket. Mind you, if Stephen Wiltshire had drawn it....

Lon More
15th Oct 2008, 11:10
Have changed glasses and had another look. I now tend to agree the holes do look round and indeed, no pushrod holes. So a mid-60s OHC engine; Inp/Coventry Climax?. The Imp head gasket also extended round the timing chain cover IIRC
http://www.imps4ever.info/tech/engine/cylinderhead1963.jpg there was no reason for this to have been different on the Climax.
One bank of an Oldsmobile Rocket V8 or possibly a large 2-stroke?