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zero CRM
30th Sep 2008, 01:00
There is a strong rumour that HR is planning to gradually reduce leave days from 52 to 42 days. So as a first installment, 2 leave slots of 2009 have already been reduced to 25 days each.
I think its about time to teach this HR COO a lesson, so this is our moral duty to go sick for the number of days we loose.

surfer of desert
30th Sep 2008, 04:16
We have a contract and "IF" they try to do so they need to change it!!!

LOC GREEN
30th Sep 2008, 06:09
It is very true!! Training captains received their leave slots recently for bidding and found to be 25 days each. :ugh:

SCATANA
30th Sep 2008, 06:26
oh boy, here goes the last remaining good thing in Gulf Air.

first CCQ then dual seat ops and now this.

Bahraingeneric
30th Sep 2008, 06:56
Thats the ONLY diff between GF and the rest. Change my leave and Im gone!!!

Mow
30th Sep 2008, 07:04
Oh Ya. This is true, and has been actioned quitely. As said eralier, Training captains slots are based on 25 days only.... Congratulations Gulf Air new HR :D

Cam32
30th Sep 2008, 08:21
About the contract...

I have tried to get an updated copy of the contract for loan and banking reasons, also to have our new terms and conditions in writing.

I was refused by more than one person, and went high in the chain. No valid answers given. I was told the old contract was sufficient. Huh??

Seems to be another GF tactic of keeping the information away from the drones.

If anyone has had luck getting a new contract please post here.

Cheers

LOC STAR
30th Sep 2008, 10:22
Hi all,
For info

b767300
30th Sep 2008, 11:33
to be honest 10 days is also enough.
I think I will send them this idea as one of the MY IDEA bullS***.


Ahh I am tired.
Oops ROSTER CHANGES AGAIN.

brassplate
30th Sep 2008, 12:02
there are two things that irk me the most with gf and in fact, any company.

1. LYING
2. UNDERHANDED TACTICS

cam32 may have a point regarding the non-disclosure of contracts with the new terms and conditions.
WHEN gf decides to reduce annual leave and you argue that it's against your contract, they will gladly agree......so long as you accept the old contracts remuneration and duty awards!!!

downNOgreens
30th Sep 2008, 15:36
This is indeed a disturbing development.
I wonder what the latest recruits have on their contracts. Any new GF pilots recruits care to shed some light on your terms and conditions?

Soft Altitude
30th Sep 2008, 15:47
Zero CRM, the "new" head of planning and rostering A.A., said recently that HE is going to teach Gulf Air pilots a lesson...
Well, if this is the first one, not many colleagues are willing to wait for lesson number 2, me included. It is the Local pilots' call this time not the expats', me thinks. They are the only ones who have the power to change anything. As for us others, they (GF HR), are probably hinting at where the door is in a "nice" way, before it gets ugly and being de-facto shown the door if we are unhappy about the changes !
Time for some CV dusting...again !?

SCATANA
30th Sep 2008, 16:40
ah crap, better update my log book again :(.

Che Guevara
30th Sep 2008, 18:50
Does anybody know what the labour law says on the matter? The 12 days as far as I remember were a requirement to replace public holidays....interesting to find out.
Better go and start polishing up the old CV I guess...will they never learn?

Chao

Dear Mr. Emirates,

I understand that you are looking for experienced type rated pilots for.......I also understand that your pilots average 10-13 days off per month...

tmax
30th Sep 2008, 20:09
Some leave slots are 24 days long!!
50 upgrades a year an 200 pilots by the end of next year? he he!!!!!

Cam32
30th Sep 2008, 20:48
Will they NEED to out-source training with those figures. Sounds like a stretch.

DesertHawk
30th Sep 2008, 21:19
been here and been positive for a while. this is my limit!!!! crappy rosters, changing rosters and now this. what the F88k do they think we are? how can our managment allow this to happen? this obviously shows us how our managment in operations has absolutely zero ability to stand up and actually do the right thing for us. makes me laugh not even 1 year ago there was CC telling us how things are gonna be so much better blah blah blah. a bunch of BS just like the senior boys said. well i hope they realize this is exactly how they got themselves in this position in the first place. umm i think that sick call will come in handy

Sal-e
1st Oct 2008, 09:50
I think every one of those 50 days of leave is needed to recoup properly.

Mephistopheles
1st Oct 2008, 12:22
Well, they finally are doing it. N.S. & A.A. have been trying to do this for sometime now(as well as trying to find a way to steal any leave days you have in the bank-so keep on eye on your leave balance). N.S. never did give a s*** & even less so now that he's leaving shortly. Shame he can't leave sooner!
As far as I am concerned I WILL be going sick an extra 10 days per year so sorry guys ahead on time if you happen to be called out last minute for 1 of my blocks.
It has always been the same here. The "managers" upstairs never realize what there doing until we take drastic action.

Chuck Y
1st Oct 2008, 13:18
So who will be collecting the BD50,000 check for this great idea? No doubt some useless-braindead-waste-of-space-sack-of-crap sitting doing nothing in HQ.

Che Guevara
1st Oct 2008, 14:17
Annual leave allowance 52 days per calendar year is comprised of 42 days contractual leave plus 8 day-in-lieu of public holidays plus 2 travel days.
That is what it says somewhere as nobody has picked up on it yet. This is the reason, and the only reason why RH failed to implement a reduced leave policy when he was here. I understand he is doing it in Etihad as we speak though. :rolleyes:
However, I would not be surprised to see the travel days disappear, but hey, we have just gained 6 or so through the FTLs anyway.

Good luck all.

DesertHawk
2nd Oct 2008, 19:54
mythical 6 days for sure. new FTL allow rostering to use u at anytime on a stby day as it can be changed as long as u get your min rest. basically GF is showing us how appreciative they are that we all did not jump ship on our binds and showed our resilience to stick through the hard times. makes me laugh how simple mined this guy in HR is over 2 travel days piss everyone off and make everyone mad???? no sense at all. well i never thought i would say this but SICK just like the local boys told us long ago!!!!

migrane
3rd Oct 2008, 01:02
Guys i think that all of us agree that gulf air have crossed a line they should not have, first it was there dodgy FTL and now this,when they changed the FTL people kept quite and kept on flying on their days off which i completely don't understand, it is time gentlemen to take matters into our own hands and show these misguided souls our true worth........ever pilot should stop helping out with rostering and stop flying on their days off or even worst their leave,or otherwise it might get even worst,if we keep having people covering blocks for them there is no reason for these so called managers to worry ,we need to set aside whatever differences we have and stand together against these people, that is the only way we can stop this madness....please stop flying on your days off and leave and i assure you you will see a change

brassplate
3rd Oct 2008, 06:08
hell, why wait for days off or leave to not fly? just don't fly, period. use up all your sick leave. that should surely leave them in a rut!

Mow
3rd Oct 2008, 08:16
Che Guevara!!

We didn't gain 6 days off by the new FTL. With the old FTL a day off was a 36 hours long; however, with the new FTL a single day off is 34 hours; therefore, with a simple calculation:
8 (days off) X 12 (months) X 36 = 3456 hours
8 (days off) X 13 (rosters) X 34 = 3536 hours
----------------
Difference is: 80 hours

Which are 2 days off (each 34 hrs long) and 12 hours; So by reducing 2 days from the leave bank, you can call it a gain of 12 hours!!!

Congratulations.....

rgrds

ironbutt57
3rd Oct 2008, 08:21
Unfortunately there has not been any "fficial" release from the apparatchik..before getting our panties all in a knot, lets see what the "official" explanation is, then take it from there..

Mephistopheles
3rd Oct 2008, 17:41
Maybe it will be 'offical' next month when the leave bids/slots are published.

Mow
4th Oct 2008, 05:07
It is official and published in the HR manual (Personal Manual) Issue no. 22 Section 4. And the Training Captains got their leave slots published with 25 days each already... Waiki Waiki

Che Guevara
4th Oct 2008, 10:15
Pure genius Mow, congratulations!
One small question comes to mind though, how long is a leave day in hours?
At the end of the day we have not lost anything, in fact we have gained so it's a non event.

Chao

migrane
4th Oct 2008, 12:11
you are sadly mistaken bro because we have lost and i'm afraid that we will start losing more especially when our leave slots get cut to 42 days :ugh:

Albergineman
4th Oct 2008, 13:50
... and the next will be DEC!

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brick in the wall
4th Oct 2008, 15:04
And after that the sky will fall in and then after that the rivers will run dry and then after that the pope will become CEO.So much to worry about and so little time.

Pixie Queen
4th Oct 2008, 15:39
It's amazing that people would fly on their days off. Your only feeding the notion to management, that pilots will fly for food.

On a lighter note, where might one find the gouge for the GF interview process?

Ali Baba
4th Oct 2008, 19:51
We should start joining maasalama list, I will start.

ironbutt57
4th Oct 2008, 21:24
Some of us fly on our day off if it's a block that suits us..and we get paid ok for it, and get the day returned...now back to your piss-match with the rusties there fellow I personally wouldnt pay a nickle to that "union" that destroyed America West:ok:

Newbie30
5th Oct 2008, 04:40
I am confused here , can someone pls tell me are the leave days reduced to 50 days ( 2* 25 days leave slot ) or down to 42 days ??? :hmm:

SCATANA
5th Oct 2008, 09:04
read the 1st post,

50 days in 2009, 42 days in 2010.

brassplate
5th Oct 2008, 12:14
50 days plus 2 days travel is what's on the old contracts.

which means:

you can have your 50 days as per the contract, but you gotta get paid what's on the old contract as well.

which is why:

we never got new contracts when the new package was released!!
they allowed themselves a proviso to enable them to change the leave conditions as they saw fit!!

which means:

a good way to find out if leave has changed is to ask new pilots what their leave entitlements are.

could someone please do that?

Chuck Y
5th Oct 2008, 14:04
Bahrain labour law states that an employer cannot unilaterally reduce any benfits that have been inherited by the employee. So it looks like GF are in breach of it if they try and go ahead with it.

DesertHawk
5th Oct 2008, 14:08
it is straight forward. they have changed the leave slots. 2 at 25 days you can go and ask rostering they will elt u know. we have to stop talking and start acting. everyone has to complain officailly. send letters go in person and start complaining in a professional manner. on top of that let them know by not doing any favors ie. off days and block changes. also start to use a sick day when you really dont feel well....they moight realize all this trouble is not worth it. talk is cheap we have to act!!!!!

Phantom Driver
5th Oct 2008, 20:13
GF leave probably one of the best in the industry. Even with the planned reduction (if it materialises), you should see what else is out there. Now flying with a carrier that ranks high in the global list, but nevertheless the leave (and staff travel benefits) are nowhere near GF!

ba7rain
6th Oct 2008, 03:10
i am shocked that is HR had work in Bahrain labour law and tryies to reduse our leave

that telles you he knows nathing about that law in bahrain

i think it's time to kick him out:ok:

Not too small
6th Oct 2008, 10:59
The new HR man is the one to blame he is the one that approved it, plus ops management looses too.
We should talk loudly about his corruption(appointing so many managers that the company dont realy want and how many and how much do the get a month).
Dont say its Naff no its him.
some one (captain) told me a good point .Its about an airline thats have 28 or 30 A/C with 30 to 35 destinations but has 2000 office employees and 200 managers with pay checks of 4 to 30 thousand BD a month .:D

brick in the wall
6th Oct 2008, 11:12
HR could not do anything without the aproval of CEO.But anyone can pull the wool over his eyes.How much more proof does the board need to wake up to the fact that this job is too much for him?

MaffiFaloos
7th Oct 2008, 06:57
What's yellow bent and hangs round in bunches........a banana.

According to sources at the highest level this latest attack on Flight Crew T&C's originates with HR. However, for what it's worth, there will be no attempt to reduce the leave below the 50 days. HR is trying to justify itsself by removing the 2 travel days and recoup some 900+ days in doing so.

Gentlemen we must resist this, its the thin end of the wedge.....what next?

Get on those computers and right to the COO, HOFO, Fleet Managers etc etc Let them know we will not accept this unilateral action. Give them some ammunition with which to fight our corner.

MaffiFaloos
7th Oct 2008, 07:02
This just received on company email from the HOFO....

Dear All,



Please note that it has come to my knowledge that two days travelling entitlement of leave have been removed.



I will discuss this issue with HR to find out on which basis this decision has been made and will inform you accordingly.



Best Regards,



On behalf of:

Trader
7th Oct 2008, 12:16
They save nothing by removing the two travel days because, if I remember correctly, they simply came from the minimum days off per month that you receive anyway! ( could be wrong though)

brassplate
7th Oct 2008, 15:31
still......the NERVE of banana-man!!! he doesn't get the point.
this all stems out of jealousy, a trait that keeps surfacing. if growth is on gf's minds and recruiting pilots is part of that plan, they had better be IMPROVING conditions, not the other way around.
losing 2 travelling days effectively reduces expats leave by two days that more often than not is required to get home.

DesertHawk
8th Oct 2008, 06:55
hopefully NAS gets somewhere with this. if not i think most people are ready to explode.

J77
8th Oct 2008, 14:38
Gentlemen,

Please note that if you do not take your 50 days leave you are not entitled to the 2 travel days. i.e you are entitled to 1 travel day per block of 25 days taken. Is this allocation of 25 days just a step to pre-empt the fact that you may not take your leave or have it cancelled any way?

May be HR has not terminated the 2 days but will tag it on once the 50 days are taken in 2 separate blocks. If you take only 1 slot or part thereof you are only entitled to one extra day.:ouch:

ironbutt57
8th Oct 2008, 16:56
Whateverr the case may be, the lack of communication from whomever decided this is a bit disappointing to say the least..

ironbutt57
9th Oct 2008, 03:58
50 days per year, think somehow they figure it at 4.2 days per month..or thereabouts

keep_dreaming
10th Oct 2008, 16:13
Gentlemen.......it is the time ......just glance the below and try to work it out.....

As extracted from FCAM
14.6.1 Entitlement.

Technical crew are entitled to 42 cleander days of annual leave per year, 8 days in liue of public holidays, and an addition 2 days traveling time, per year.The traveling time shall be granted when a minimum of 12 calender days is taken in one block.


However the personal manual disputes the above as following:




1- Grade 1 - 9 who worked for 5 years , the annual leave is 21 days, and if he worked for more than 5 yrs entitlement is 28 days.

2- Grade 10 and above who worked for 5 years, the annual leave is 25 days, if he worked for more than 5 yrs the entitlement is 28 days.

and bothe above base on working days.

3- Cabin crew 36 days

4- Fleet teck crew 50 days.

and above base on calender days.

so by doing a simple comparison between the final outcome of leave days for general who worked for more than 5 years and pilots...is as follow:


general staff 5 yrs and above
leave entitled ..28(working days)

Weekend days ..12 (because of
working days)

public holidays ..16

traveling days.. nil

TOTAL 56

Fleet Technical crew
Leave entitled... 42 ( clender days)
Weekend days off ..... nil
public holidays..... 8
traveling days...... 2
TOTAL ..... 52


now by reducing it two more days so we will be 6 days less...

Now either fight or lose........best way...just simply stop flying in your days off and leaves.......let us teach mr A.A a lesson...and rest of the HR team.....just say no...and wait...i am sure we will win.... V1....rotate.........:D

tmax
10th Oct 2008, 17:03
And be stable by 1000 ft!

keep_dreaming
11th Oct 2008, 14:48
rostering in shiii####:mad:..... they calling every one like a mad....well done boys, keep holding........let our managers knows who are we......... the situation will not get better, till we see A.A out of office.......this is the first warning....... +ve rate......gear up.:ok::D:D

brick in the wall
11th Oct 2008, 14:58
Hey let us all try to bring Gulfair to its knees and then we can all be out of work.Great idea,especially at the moment with the world going through such a crisis.I am certainly up for it can not wait to be un-employed.Maybe Keep-Dreaming can start his own airline and we can all have a job with him.!!!!!!!!!

keep_dreaming
11th Oct 2008, 15:08
this is not an issue...GF will never go out of busines....what is a different between having an idiot head of planner which he do not know any thing about aviation and having a crash very soon , by making pilot so under pressure.....just wake up .....if GF goes out of business which i doubt....there are a lot of companies around which willing to take you in...... if we keep quiet..at the end you will be neglected, in this world........ pilot= prestige ....my friend...i been here so long ...i know all this shi######:mad:, keep quiet and lose ......... if not stabilize-------go around

brick in the wall
11th Oct 2008, 15:45
GROW UP and KEEP DREAMING!!!!

Mephistopheles
11th Oct 2008, 17:58
This whole leave debacle is the brainchild of Mr Baharna, Chief People Officer & our gracious leader Mr Been-Here-Long-eNaf & guess what? These two are still trying to figure out how to screw us out of even more leave!!!

Chuck Y
12th Oct 2008, 04:44
Any news on whats going on with the leave?

Yo767
12th Oct 2008, 06:05
How many sick leave days are we entitled per year without pay deduction?

Mephistopheles
14th Oct 2008, 10:43
Well, still no news from N.S. so I guess Naf & the F***er from HR won. Enjoy your 50 days leave is 2009 & thank God for them cuz in 2010 there will be even less.
Also not much longer to wait for the much anticipated departure of Naf as an Eid gift for us from the board.
Auf wedersehen!!!

keep_dreaming
14th Oct 2008, 13:17
Are every one happy now......do you want still fly on your days off and leave...?
i know that the no. of tech crew who's refused to fly on days of are increasing...up to now i can say about 41 between captain and f/o........let them won 2 days...but instead have any one noticed the no. of flight which has been cancelled........ mr A.A.. and rest of sh.........:mad:....this is only the start...

brick in the wall
14th Oct 2008, 14:15
Keep Dreaming, do yourself a favour and Keep Quiet.With your ranting posts you are rapidly becoming an embarrassment.

brassplate
14th Oct 2008, 20:52
keep_dreaming does have a point. there is underhanded tactics that are being played by mr banana-bandana from HR.

i am of the understanding that when the roster was published, there were flights that were un-crewed. in other words, rostering was hoping people would sell their leave or work days off.

on the other hand, are you barking up the right tree? this is not the rostering departments' fault. they've got to work with what they have...kinda like gf pilots in crappy aircraft!!

this debacle lands squarely with mr banana-boat and his aggresive anti-pilot rhetoric.

tmax
14th Oct 2008, 21:20
You (we) guys have the power! The company runs cause of you (us)! On top we are they only people accountable!!! Let them understand that nothing will go on without us!! They need us to run their show!! BN(turboprop f/0) or AA(unknown) or ABannana(unknown) have to pay respect on us ! We run the show in all aspects!!
"we need to train 200 pilots" Give the trainners what was said and documented last year!!!!!!! ...............(rejected by HM F/O bn)
"Improved life style package for our pilots"Rostering?school fees?housing?leave?(?????????????_)
"cut costs" introducing a Manager an a Head every day(ABannana..Unknown)!!
Lets organize an pilots union (not allowed) and organized simple things!
NO DAY OFF NO LEAVE as NO "BA AA"
Sick is not an option cause it is not proffesional
PM so we can organize a common way of acting
Thanks

Mephistopheles
14th Oct 2008, 21:39
Unfortunately the only option for us is to stop working on days off or leave & (I know it's extremely unprofessional but...) start going sick. The only way to make these scumbags understand is to go down into the sewer right into their backyards & teach them that they are not so damn high & mighty.
It just seems to be getting worse & worse here & I was actually glad to see the back of Hogan & co but now...
tmax, if you have any better ideas let us know.

brassplate
14th Oct 2008, 21:41
if they want to cut fat, they should start from the top.

tmax is right. the number of useless managers jobs created every week is RIDICULOUS!!!!!

if they don't have enough crew to cause flight cancellations, why are they pushing the boundaries even more? are they stupid or something?
someone please, puncture his tyre or something!!!!! either for being anti-pilot or just for being plain stupid!!

another point i want to add is that if pilots have a 'no show', he gets a warning letter and if it recurs, he gets fired. the reason is because a flight possibly got cancelled and passengers possibly got inconvenienced unless they got a replacement pilot. and it's downright unprofessional.

well what happens if our esteemed planners, in all their wisdom, put gf in it's current position where over 50 flights are not being crewed and being cancelled due lack of planning and over a thousand passengers are being inconvenienced and have to be accommodated at hotels??
that one person responsible for this is the head of hr and i want his head on a platter!

we can not be measured by different yard sticks.

keep_dreaming
14th Oct 2008, 22:32
Thanks bro...tmax and bras... and rest.......let us be united and we will put there heads down soon........tmax pm us and give us your idea........
hey A.A are you still interested to teach us a listen as you said......believe me we are working very hard to kick you out of office...and it is very soon...............the best solution PILOT UNION without intruption.......and new news for all.......mr HR said pilot's are over paied....expact next step cutting down your salary.......how about his salary , i heard his around BD 8000 to 9000 ( as been told by MP ).......tk cr all

T O G A Boy
15th Oct 2008, 10:02
well guys, last nite i was enjoying a few drinks in a five star hotel and suddenly the place crowded up with at least 60 or so people. We ended having a chat with one of them and they turned out to be GF pax who had cancelled flights and were put up in the hotel till the next available flight..
They were swearing and cursing at gf and they told us that they wud never ever think of flying GF again..
Now that is sad cause we are losing pax mainly cause of the stupid and incompetent chief and his assistants in managerial positions..

keep_dreaming
15th Oct 2008, 10:50
we do a hard job , and top management they spend it on :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:.......... even though we losing money , they get the bounes......., my bro and sis....tech + c.crew......how many of you got a thank letter while you flown in your day's off...........go sick, without sick note and you will receive a warning.......not fare......hold every one...just for a while...we want to see A.A and HR and BN out of company.......

brassplate
15th Oct 2008, 13:51
4th frickin roster change in two days. damn these idiots.

do you ever wonder how a pilot can get his picture put up on the 'employee of the month' wall?

that pilot will the one who:

1. happily works on days off,
2. never ever goes sick,
3. accepts a paycut,
4. accepts leave reduction
5. accepts the cancellation of two days travel time.

...in other words, the pilot who enjoys taking it up the tailpipe.

the employee of the month always seems to be someone who does nothing to make tangible changes to gf.

Sal-e
15th Oct 2008, 15:37
Referring to keep_dreaming's post regarding leave days, that actually makes sense.

Where HR will argue is the fact that pilots get days off instead of weekends. I hope not because weekends are for people who work five regular days a week. Pilots work around the clock.

Pilots legally require days off for different reasons to regular workers ie rest periods, 8 daysoff/roster period etc.

LOC STAR
15th Oct 2008, 16:07
"You have changes to your schedule for which you have not yet been advised".

Gentlemen remember to check your system only before you leave home, to avoid them changing your flight to a Sh*** one.:ok::ok::ok:

Sal-e
16th Oct 2008, 06:40
LMAO @ LOC STAR!!!

Someone once suggested to have that message stuck on to the screen because it's never 'not' there.

Mow
17th Oct 2008, 17:48
Just recieved an email from CC ... Pathetic

Here it is"""""
17th Oct 2008

Dear Colleagues,

As I write these lines we are experiencing another difficult weekend in Flight Operations. I know you have all been subject to the changes of roster caused by various factors which are not in our control. We have had many technical problems recently on all the fleets. This has meant constant changes both of flights and aircraft, and for that reason your roster-stability has been suffering greatly. I am well aware that this has a direct impact on your life-style and I would like to thank you sincerely for your willingness to adapt to the changes of plan. Many of you have even been willing to help out by accepting to come to work on your days-off of even leave days, which has helped us in a big way.

All these changes also put enormous pressure on the crew-rostering department. The shortage of pilots (particularly on the A320 fleet) has made it extremely difficult to crew all the flights and this means that short-term changes have almost become the order of the day. This situation is being addressed by the Flight Ops management in various ways. The recruitment is in full swing and we are processing direct-entry pilots to join as A320 F/Os. Obviously it will take a little time before the newcomers will ease the situation since there is a limited capacity to the amount of training that can be handled on A320, but we are determined to stick to the Seniority System.

Apart from roster-stability, I know that one of the hot topics being discussed by the pilots at the moment is the issue of leave. There is a lot of speculation on this subject, which I hope I can clarify from a Flight Ops perspective. As far as I understand, all pilots have a leave entitlement of 50 days, which is written in the contracts. Until now, Gulf Air also granted 2 'travel days' which were mentioned in the HR manual. The travel days are applicable to all staff in the company. I understand that it is being considered to eliminate these days company-wide, although I have not yet seen this published anywhere. If this should happen, we are working on a contingency-plan, so that the effect of this for the pilots will be minimal. Please rest assured that we will be working on this in your best interests.

I hope that you all are not too affected by the changes over the next few days, and would like to thank you in advance for helping the company through this difficult period.

Best regards,
COO

And then when you write a CVR, they tell you write only facts, don't be emotional. Please apply it to your self first:ok:

b767300
18th Oct 2008, 03:41
A.A should be out of the company.
Damn I hate this guy....
Sorry guys I got emotional again.

b767300
18th Oct 2008, 04:01
what is the objective of CC letter?

Reviwing FACTS only.....:ugh:

Chuck Y
18th Oct 2008, 08:43
S*** is hitting the fan & all CC can do is send us a whining email thanking us before hand! He didn't even consider the loss of 2 days leave a major point as "we are experiencing another difficult weekend in Flight Operations". It seems he thinks the biggest problem is the technical status of the aircraft not pilots under his management being shafted by HR. Great management, maybe somebody should teach this donkey FORDEC. It might, at least, put him on the right track.

Trader
18th Oct 2008, 10:43
This was discussed last year during the initial 'pay review'. They dumped the idea of reducing leave because the first 'package' offered nothing at all and to introduce a reduction would have been suicide. I was suprised to see them up the pay and keep the leave a few months later because that would have been the time to reduce the leave while claiming that the other Gulf carriers had 42 days leave.

Then again that was during the Ameena days and she had no clue how to go about it legally. This new guy may well be versed in the law (and connected) and, by the sounds of it, gunning to make the change.

This will be coming from the very top levels and I doubt CC has much say. The new VP came from a government post and, I would guess, gets his way more often than not.

I would say the GF guys banding together and doing what you have been doing is excellent. The few comments about Bahraini's working on days off etc might be true about a few of the senior captains who feel GF is their own personal airline but the rest have been fighting for the same things the expats have been - fair pay and improved rostering. It is good to see everyone sticking together!!!!!!!!!!

Mephistopheles
18th Oct 2008, 11:40
I have the solution to this problem. Let them keep the 2 days travelling but give us the 4 days in lieu of public holidays since there are 12 offically recognized public holidays by Bahrain Labor Law & we only get credit for 8 days.
Guys keep up the good work & don't forget that we are ONE team all after the SAME outcome. Also once these guys get a taste for cutting from us who know where it will end since all other depts. in GF think of us as overpaid & spoilt "drivers".
Hopefully, 1 of the many many managers will start doing what he is paid for & start managing.

Mow
18th Oct 2008, 16:22
You are not absolutely right Mephistopheles regarding the number of public Holidays, simple counting will make it 16 days. Lets count it as for 2009:

1. 01 January 2009 - Thursday - New Year's Day.
2. 05 January 2009 - Monday - Ashoora 1430.
3. 06 January 2009 - Tuesday - Ashoora 1430.
4. 08 March 2009 - Sunday Prophet's Birthday
5. 01 May 2009 - Friday - Labour Day.
6. 20 September 2009 - Sunday - Eid Al Fitr
7. 21 September 2009 - Monday - Eid Al Fitr
8. 22 September 2009 - Tuesday - Eid Al Fitr
9. 27 November 2009 - Friday - Eid Al Adha
10. 28 November 2009 - Saturday - Eid Al Adha
11. 29 November 2009 - Sunday - Eid Al Adha
12. 16 December 2009 - Wednesday - National Day
13. 17 December 2009 - Thursday - National Day
14. 17 December 2009 - Thursday - Islamic New Year 1431
15. 25 December 2009 - Friday - Ashoora 1431
16. 26 December 2009 - Saturday - Ashoora 1431

Lets make it 6 days in Lieu.

Good idea.

obsidian
19th Oct 2008, 07:08
on the 17th..13-pilots went sick!
approximately 80 refused to fly on their day off! heheh
figures are from rostering:E

wastafarian
19th Oct 2008, 10:45
been flowing your little tread and it just makes me laugh. :yuk:

chief people person! hilarious. trying to copy the title of the human remains department of a well run airlien like southwest airlines. with his cloak and dager lack of people skills, your the-banana man brings to mind a different people person:

http://www.ntscmp.com/mao-zedong-3.jpg


so now you are in your "great leap forward" trying to emulate "etislut." watch your backs boys

besides geting always anoying and worthless satisfacton survays, a buddy told me the-banana wroat everyone in mid-september “We have some more very important projects in the pipeline for the benefits of our employees and we believe we will set a benchmark for others to follow.”

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/corbis/DGT383/magician-pulling-rabbit_~FMD0098.jpg

fells like being down at the local souk,and sounds like the "pipeline" is a sewer flowing downhill. i bet uae airlines are watching seeing how they can "compete" :E

:D