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Davaar
27th Sep 2008, 01:13
Among all those Ozzies and Kiwis, what about us? Everyone knows we are the most lovable and most loved people and especially a whole lot more lovable and loved than those rotten Americans. Ask any Canadian. We have a federal election called for 14 October.

There are five contesting parties: (a) Conservative; (b) Liberal; (c) New Democratic (“NDP”); Green; and Bloc Quebécois. Each has at least one Member of Parliament, though one or two of these “qualifiers” got there by odd routes (being dropped by the guy that brung them to the last election).

Their politics are:
(a) Conservative: mildly conservative, keep public spending in check, be mildly critical of those convicted of violent crime;
(b) Liberal: “da Leeberal value”, spend public money like a drunken sailor, introduce a carbon usage tax (“da Green Shift”) that no one can explain or understand (No! No! No! Dat one is da good tax! Hokay?);
(c) NDP: spend even more public money than da Leeberal;
(d) Green: abolish the use of fossil fuels and nuclear fuels. Stay warm by ......... Oh! Listen to the coming debate, you may hear the answer; and
(e) Bloc Quebécois: take Quebec out of Canada, but do not try too hard at it.

Their leaders are:
(a) Stephen Harper, anglophone but pretty good in French too, current prime minister in a minority parliament. He is an accountant and tax specialist. He takes his young son to watch hockey games. Da Leeberal ladies therefore find him “scary”. Well, wouldn’t you? Don’t forget his “hidden agenda”? What hidden agenda? The one you can't see.
(b) Stephane Dion, francophone but struggling in English, currently leader of the opposition. Professor. Sole author of “da Green Shift”: to him the credit. His campaign aircraft is the heaviest gas-guzzler of them all, when he has it, that is. Da Green Shift is his very own, at least now that they have got rid of that pesky corporation named ...Yes!!!! ... “ Green Shift”.... that had the name first and over many years, and would not give it up. The two Leeberal Prominenten who rivalled Mr Dion in the last leadership race are nowhere to be seen on campaign, perhaps hidden in the Hindu Kush. A successful Leeberal rally will attract no fewer than 30 rabid Leeberal to hear Mr Dion.
(c) NDP: Jack Layton, bilingual French and English, PhD, professor. Though Mr Layton started 'way back in the field, Mr Dion is so inept that Mr Layton sees himself, or says he does, PM on election day.
(d) Green. Ms Elizabeth May. The papers say she has notions of being an Anglican cleric. Talks a lot. What she says I cannot really follow. Tabernouche!
(e) Gilles Duceppe. Bilingual French and English. Ex union office holder. Seems quite cosy in Ottawa; so why fight to go to Quebec? He too is ahead of Mr Dion in the polls, but then isn’t everyone?

con-pilot
27th Sep 2008, 01:39
Canada has elections???????????? I thought the Queen owed Canada? :p


Just kidding my Canadian friends. Just try to keep the French/Canadians from totally taking over, please?

Mostly Harmless
27th Sep 2008, 02:41
Ah yes… the classic Canadian election where you hope to hell the guy who is going to sink the nation doesn’t win… but often does because Ontario fears loss of… well anything.

You neglected to mention that Dion became leader of the Liberal party in what I like to call a Titanic promotion. “Look, I’ve run the ship up onto this iceberg and I really think it is time for me to take my pension and payout now. No one else wanted the job so... you have just been promoted to Captain. Good luck.”

I know which party I am voting for… the one that won’t put the whole country into a recession. I kind of like my recent tax cuts.

Man!! It is often like trying to pick the nicest turd out of a sh*t pile.

Mostly Harmless
27th Sep 2008, 02:44
P. S. Okay… Dion is buying carbon credits for the old B-737-200 he is flying around. Who does one by carbon credits from? And what to they do with them? Enquiring minds want to know.

pigboat
27th Sep 2008, 03:37
Canadians don't know Shift!

Re Smilin' Jack. Never in his wettest of dreams will the people of this country give him the keys to the cash box. :ok:

Who does one by carbon credits from? And what to they do with them?
Al Gore. After recieving payment, he takes he money to Switzerland and the atmosphere automatically adjusts itself to correct the CO2 balance.

con-pilot
27th Sep 2008, 03:45
Who does one by carbon credits from? And what to they do with them? Enquiring minds want to know.

Well Al Gore of course! He uses the carbon credits to fly his G-II around the world seeking more carbon credits. :p

Oh, and to pay the unities bills on his huge home, er, actually compound.

con-pilot
27th Sep 2008, 03:48
Great minds Pigboat, great minds. :ok:

pigboat
27th Sep 2008, 04:03
Hee hee, the only engines that throw out more noise and carbon than the JT8's on that 737 are the Speys on the GII. Damn the emissions, full speed ahead. ;)

Sikorskyfan
27th Sep 2008, 04:15
Yeah but what's the point?

Wholigan
27th Sep 2008, 06:25
Looks like this could BECOME the Canadian Election Thread.

Vote Conservative and get my old friend the Member for Edmonton Centre re-elected. He is about the straightest, brightest, most hard-working and most honest person in the northern hemisphere. He should take over from Peter Mackay as the Minister of National Defence in due course, giving Canada a Defence Minister who really is an expert in Defence.

Charlie Foxtrot India
27th Sep 2008, 06:29
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Davaar
27th Sep 2008, 06:43
I have a quote for you, Charlie Foxtrot India, from Mr Dion himself, although he was addressing [No! Why not come out with it? He was apostrophising!] Mr Harper:

"Shame on you! Charlie Foxtrot India!"

There now! That makes you feel pretty small, doesn't it, Mr Charlie Foxtrot India, moderator? Now you begin to see what a bare-knuckle crowd we have in Canadian politics. Huh?

West Coast
27th Sep 2008, 07:26
Al Gore. After recieving payment, he takes he money to Switzerland and the atmosphere automatically adjusts itself to correct the CO2 balance.

I'm gonna take that to mean we cant send him in exile in Canada then?

What do I have to do to make the deal? Hillary as a kicker perhaps, along with a case of California wine.

PaperTiger
27th Sep 2008, 15:57
I did try to start a thread a few days back, but I dozed off halfway through my post.

:bored:

Scooby Don't
27th Sep 2008, 16:12
It's amazing how clever these "ads by Google" are (look left in a couple of posts here). Immigration to Canada! Money-back guarantee! FREE online assessment (that is probably less accurate than the free online assessment on the Canadian citizenship and immigration service website...). If you need an immigration lawyer, there's a probably a good reason why Canada should tell you to PFO, but that's just my opinion....

Anyhoo, it's looking good for a Conservative majority. Part of the thinking of any electorate (with the possible exception of the USA) is "how will this person look when representing us overseas?" For those who think that isn't important, look how well Micheal Foot and Neil Kinnock did in the UK. :E

My assessment of the candidates, for what it's worth...

Harper - very intelligent, does not radiate warmth or charisma, very sensible policies for the most part, painted as an evil, right-wing nutjob by the Liberals but largely without success. His party is able to insert foot in mouth a little readily, but Harper himself is seen as all business, all of the time. I would not bet against him.

Dion - mostly harmless. Seen as cerebral, but if he's so damn clever why can't he speak English??? He could lose what little is left of the Liberal Party on the prairies. He tries to be a populist but fails, even in Quebec. Proof that the only real, consistent policy of the Liberal Party is "get power, keep power", though they seem to be failing of late.

Layton - really nice guy to meet at a party, and he'll probably have a singalong with the Barenaked Ladies after a few drinks. *ucking scary what he'd do the country if he had real power, but luckily it'll never happen. The fact that he's willing to deal with the Liberals simply to stop the Tories (just like the LibDems in the UK...) is proof that he is willing to put power ahead of principle.

May - as in "may get a single riding, or may not". Most likely not. Canadians pride themselves on being nice, but they aren't stupid enough to take niceness far enough to ever give real power to people who campaign against economic growth.

Duceppe - I would laugh my ass off (for about 5 minutes) if he somehow managed to form a national government. What on earth would he do or say??? "I am prime minister of a country from which I seek to separate"... But then we'd all find out that the real policy of the Bloc (okay, we know this anyway) is to cause just enough trouble to get special status and extra federal funding for Quebec, but not enough to actually gain independence which would be tantamount to chopping down a money tree.

pigboat
27th Sep 2008, 16:20
Had Stephane Dion explaning the Green Sheeft open in another window, did you? :)

I assume Rick Mercer will begin a petition any day now to have Stephane Dion change his name to Celine Dion.

Westie no deal on Algore, we have David Suzuki. I propose Hillary and two hundred cases of Rolling Rock if you'll accept Heidi "They're burning crosses on the lawns in Prince Rupert even as we speak" Fry in return. :D

zalt
27th Sep 2008, 16:30
Why no Canadian Erection Thread?

pigboat
27th Sep 2008, 17:13
I'm up for that!

West Coast
27th Sep 2008, 19:33
I propose Hillary and two hundred cases of Rolling Rock if you'll accept Heidi "They're burning crosses on the lawns in Prince Rupert even as we speak" Fry in return.

I think we might just have a deal, pretty sure some first class accommodations down in Gitmo just became available. It's lovely down there this time of year.

merlinxx
27th Sep 2008, 21:23
Home rule for Newfies, bring back an independent 'Screech Land':ok::E

Mostly Harmless
30th Sep 2008, 17:48
Scooby Don't
Dion - mostly harmless.

HEY!! I am not!! You take that back!! I've never said anything nasty about you.

Davaar
30th Sep 2008, 19:11
...and a very valuable comment, too, Mostly. It is heartening to read that Oz which does not have an election pending has a thread with 1160 posts and 27791 hits. NZ, same situation, has 26 posts and 531 hits.

We have an election scheduled for Octber 14, and we have 20 posts and 240 hits. I look in vain for the collected pensees of Elizabeth May, the Prime Ministerial Musings of Jack whatsisname, the calm confidence of Stephane Dion, the Federalist Papers of Gilles Duceppe, and there are others. Yes there are. Only the other day I saw a TV appeal by the Marijuana Party, those good and dedicated men and women.

Sometimes I despair. Sometimes I think that people out there (or as they say in Nova Scotia "from away") do not realise that we are the most lovable and important people in the world. Thanks for breaking the 20-post line. It should be a downhill coast from here.

brickhistory
30th Sep 2008, 19:19
With the exception of the Frenchie part, y'all have any interest in joining up with us?


Of course, you'll have to lose the socialized health care and saluting the Queen stuff, but other than that, I think we'd be good. You already do guns and God, so it shouldn't be too much of an adjustment.

We, in return, would offer you back William Shatner, Pamela Anderson, Michael J. Fox, and, of course, Celine Dion.

Scooby Don't
30th Sep 2008, 19:20
I humbly apologise to Mostly Harmless. Any resemblance between him and Monsieur Dion is purely coincidental, and no animals were harmed in the making of this post.

Back to the election! Dion and the Leeberals are clutching at yet more straws to discredit Mr Harper, and probably just making themselves look bad in the process. Please keep it up, Monsieur.

Davaar
30th Sep 2008, 19:32
My dear brick:

There you put your finger on the greatest irony of all.

Here they are adamant against any such thought.

It takes me back to Miss Sneddon's class, Primary I, in 1940. The song was about the chap who asks the girl what was her fortune? "My face is my fortune, Sir, she said"; and so on. "Then I can't marry you, my pretty maid". "Nobody asked you, Sir, she said". Would you want 30,000,000 more Democrats? How many wrong-coloured states would that make?

I forget the details but back in 1972 or so Mr Nixon decreed something to the effect that international settlements with the US be in gold. There was the pause of a demi-semi-quaver here and then up went the cry: "But of course that does not apply to us!". "Oh Yes, It does". "WHAT!!!!!!!!!????????? You can't do that to us".

the socialized health care

Man just died after many hours untended in Emergency in Winnipeg. Local hospital here apologises for ten hour neglect of man in Emergency. In that time he was tended by other patients. If I ever need immediate serious medical care and I can get the money from anywhere, I am , like everyone else who can do it, off to the US.

brickhistory
30th Sep 2008, 19:55
Does that mean we've gotta keep Shatner?

tony draper
30th Sep 2008, 20:30
Haven't they tried twice to take you aboard Mr Davaar? got their White House redecorated last time as I recall.
:rolleyes:

GrumpyOldFart
30th Sep 2008, 20:56
Just to offer a little balance to Davaar's original post, here's (http://www.liberal.ca/video_e.aspx?guid=4666DC99-F70E-4FFD-A461-FF1B3A060706)a video to prove that 1 plus 1 equals 1.


Along the lines of:

Speeches read out in Canberra.............. 1

Plus: Speeches read out in Ottawa......... 1

Equals: Speeches written in Washington.. 1



Priceless.

brickhistory
30th Sep 2008, 21:20
Mr. Draper,

I wasn't advocating a union by force, rather an extended hand of friendship for our neglected neighbors to our north.

To let them have the full measure of the years-long, 24/7 artificial hysteria that is our nation's national election process.

I wouldn't dream of invading Can...


Hey, what's that? There's oil in those sands?


Disregard my last......

tony draper
30th Sep 2008, 21:27
The way things seem to be shaping up across there Mr Brick it might be you lot asking Mrs Queen if she will take you back.
:rolleyes:

brickhistory
30th Sep 2008, 21:37
She does seem to have a fair amount of spare cash around...


However, I don't think she's approve of our dental and plastic surgery advances (particularly in the errant ear pinning category).

Although we do still allow fox hunting if she'd like to play.

GrumpyOldFart
30th Sep 2008, 21:54
Brick - 0, Drapes - 1




:E

Mostly Harmless
30th Sep 2008, 21:58
Scooby Don't - I humbly apologise to Mostly Harmless. Any resemblance between him and Monsieur Dion is purely coincidental, and no animals were harmed in the making of this post.

Apology accepted. Thank you. I nearly had a heart attack when I saw that post. I am also glad that no animals were harmed in the making of these posts.

The excitement is long gone from Canadian politics because we have not had a leader in a very long time. It has been far too long since a Prime Minister has put his neck on the line with a vision for Canada. Today the game is too immersed in doing whatever the poll numbers tell you to do.

It is good to see some people talking about the election though… glad I’m not the only one left who votes.... although... if I were the only one left who voted, I could make myself supreme leader. Be the man. No wait, everyone always blames the man when things go wrong.

Mostly Harmless
30th Sep 2008, 22:04
On another line of thought... is there any way we can convince you to keep Celine Dion? One Dion is enough; we surely could not handle two.

Perhaps Celine could write and perform a nice song for one of your major airlines.

Davaar
30th Sep 2008, 22:32
balance to Davaar's original post

With all respect, I think I did not mention Iraq at all.

The rest stands. As for "balance", I was in the second hospital just after Christmas. After my ten hour wait in Emergency, the pain havng gone anyway, I joined the steady stream of untreated departures who had also Seen the Lord. There was one middle aged to elderly woman, though, in a wheel chair right in front of the nurses' station, moaning and complaining of pain. Perhaps she was a phoney.

After some hours in which she was totally ignored she got up, wearing a night-gown with a coat over it, her feet lightly clad. She announced to the world in general she was leaving, which she did. Clad and in the condition as described, she went out into the snow and away. No one took any interest.

I went to the desk and gave them my card. I said that if I heard of any prosecution or civil suit I would give evidence for the prosecution/plaintiff and in any event would report the incident to the police. They then sent a man from "Security" to find and retrieve her, which he did.

Smiling Jack tries to nail Mr Harper with Canada's shortage of 5000 physicians. Now there's an irony.

I see no reason at all for our being in Afghanistan, but it was da Leeberal who took us there.

West Coast
30th Sep 2008, 23:49
Does that mean we've gotta keep Shatner?

I can past how it screws up the flag, but who will the Canadians bitch about then? I suppose they could bag on Alabama rednecks like the rest of us. Better yet, the other neighbor to the South.

Anyway, I still have some uses for Pamela Anderson. Word has it I'm on the short list to star in her next movie.

Wait...short list...perhaps a better choice of words...

Davaar
1st Oct 2008, 00:29
Couldn't wait, could you, Jerry?

"Parturiunt montes, nascetur ridiculus mus" ("The mountains will labour and give birth to a ridiculous mouse", Horace, Ars Poetica)

All day da Leeberal have been crowing about the “blockbuster” they would drop today on Mr Harper. You have seen it dropped on PPRuNe, courtesy of Jerry Coe. Here it is:

“Speeches read out in Canberra.............. 1

Plus: Speeches read out in Ottawa......... 1

Equals: Speeches written in Washington.. 1

Priceless.”


This is the fruit, so we are told, of the research loins of Bob Rae. Ol’ Bob, you will probably not remember, was once an ornament of the NDP, federal and later provincial. In those dear dead days he climbed to the office of premier of Ontario, which he brought almost to bankruptcy.

For him were named “Rae Days”, on which the public service of Ontario (schoolteachers and the like) worked without pay to save the province a dime. Now Bob is da prominent Leeberal with aspirations to lead the federation where once he led the province.

This afternoon a Dr Owen Lippert, PhD, political staffer and speechwriter in the Prime Minister’s Office, resigned from his job, he being the speechwriter and author a year or two ago of the “bombshell”. He was, it seems, pressed for time. Some blockbuster! Some mouse!

No doubt you dislike Mr Harper, Jerry, but what have you seen of his persona (after all, he himself said the other day the family wanted him to be a chartered accountant, but they thought he fell short on personality) to make you think he is so (a) stupid or (b) dishonest as within two days of the original to steal paragraph after paragraph of a major policy speech that was bound to be revealed? Huh?

Scary! Sock it to ‘em, Jerry. Priceless!

nahsuD
1st Oct 2008, 00:33
What do I have to do to make the deal? Hillary as a kicker perhaps, along with a case of California wine.

No thanks. We already have a socialist health care system...

pigboat
1st Oct 2008, 03:06
Music quiz trivia:
What does Bob Rae share with Tom Boleyn, he of the skinny side out and the wooly side in? :p

Rae may want to back off on questions about Canadian involvement in Iraq the next time he appears onstage with Iggy. Embarrasing questions could be posed.

galaxy flyer
1st Oct 2008, 03:46
Brickie

I wouldn't dream of invading Can...


Hey, what's that? There's oil in those sands?


Disregard my last......

Careful! As my Canadian colleagues point out-it has been tried TWICE!! In 1775, the rebellious colonials (that's us) decided the French-Canucks would love to join us against the Redcoats, so we occupied Montreal. So impressed with us, they were, they threw us out. Ingrates! So, in the War of 1812, we again cast our eyes on Canada, this time Upper Canada (Ontario). We burned down the Town of York (now a tony section of Toronto). Enough!, they said and burned down Washington, DC putting the Family Madison into flight.

The good ole USA never again thought about annexing Canada. If at first one doesn't succeed-quit. No use being a damned fool!

GF

Drapes-surprised you didn't pick up on this history. Then again, His Britannic Majesty wasn't covered in glory here, either.

tony draper
1st Oct 2008, 08:02
Err,see post 27 Mr Flyer. :rolleyes:
From what one reads seems we were a bit lax in our ethnic cleansing of the French,never half do a job as granpappy used to say.
:uhoh:

pigboat
1st Oct 2008, 14:01
We burned down the Town of York (now a tony section of Toronto).
Since practice makes perfect, please consider this an invitation to come back and do it over again. :E

West Coast
1st Oct 2008, 16:17
Only if you promise to burn down Washington DC...


Leave the Air and Space museum intact however if you would.

Mostly Harmless
13th Oct 2008, 02:56
Well, it's down to the wire. Let’s hear everyone’s predictions.

I say we get another Tory minority.

pigboat
13th Oct 2008, 03:47
I think the Conservatives will win a razor thin majority, no more than a couple of seats. The Liberals are the party of 604, 416 and 514 area codes. I don't see them taking more than a handful of seats west of the Manitoba border and elsewhere the left will split between the Libs and the Dippers. The Greens will also siphon off some left wing voters and the Bloc will hang on to the seats they already hold in Quebec.

A word to Smilin' Jack. You were among those who ridiculed the "New Conservative Government" after a year or so, so what's with the "New" Democratic Party? You've been around for 40 years, FFS. The bloom is off the rose. Enough with the New already! :yuk:

Davaar
13th Oct 2008, 13:40
1. I agree with pigboat.
2. Given the "thrusts" of the "campaign", should this thread be retitled: "The Really Really Boring And Totally Pointless Snippets Of Disinformation Thread"?
3. Which of the hopefuls for PM would it be most unjust to label as:
(a) The Man, but Oooooh Scary;
(b) Smiley;
(c) Goofy;
(d) Barbie; and
(e) Beh, Maman warned me about le dodgy company;
????

tony draper
13th Oct 2008, 13:52
Why don't you try not having a Government for a period of say ten years? should this experiment prove successful it could benefit the whole of mankind.
:)

Davaar
13th Oct 2008, 14:50
Goofy's big complaint is that The Man does not have da plan to save us from the crisis that does not exist (none of our banks is in trouble or being taken over by anyone; scandalous, really), and the headlines the other day complained that The Man has not "panicked". Scary, I tell you. If that is not scary, what is? If everyone else is having a crisis, why can't we? Job creation over the past year has been at record levels. Outrageous.

Scooby Don't
13th Oct 2008, 15:25
Happy Thanksgiving to all Canuckistanis, except for those voting Leeberal, Bloc-tete, "New" Democrat (in the same way that East Germany was the German Democratic Republic) Party or Verre.

May we give thanks for a Tory majority???

BenThere
13th Oct 2008, 17:06
If Harper retains power in Canada and the Liberals/Greens, etc decline - and -Obama wins and controls a wholly Democrat congress, I'm going to have to shift a chunk of assets to Canada.

I'm retiring before long, and can't afford another lesson on socialism.

RatherBeFlying
14th Oct 2008, 03:06
The Election South of the border has considerably more impact on Canadians than their own.

If Obama gets in there's a chance for re-establishment of adult supervision of the US economy -- or doing an Argentina if McCain gets in:uhoh:

Tree
14th Oct 2008, 03:50
pigboat;

Westie no deal on Algore, we have David Suzuki. I propose Hillary and two hundred cases of Rolling Rock if you'll accept Heidi "They're burning crosses on the lawns in Prince Rupert even as we speak" Fry in return.


That would be Prince George. It rains all the time in Rupert and nothin will burn there there so we go to PG with our hoodies. You are not in this for the geography are you! And it's Heddy not Heidi my lakeside cousin.

Tree
14th Oct 2008, 04:52
With the exception of the Frenchie part, y'all have any interest in joining up with us?

Of course, you'll have to lose the socialized health care and saluting the Queen stuff, but other than that, I think we'd be good. You already do guns and God, so it shouldn't be too much of an adjustment.

We, in return, would offer you back William Shatner, Pamela Anderson, Michael J. Fox, and, of course, Celine Dion.


Pretty good little deal bricky except for Celine. Care to counter offer?

BenThere
14th Oct 2008, 05:13
Would it ever be plausible to scoop out a new nation to include Canada from Manitoba to the West and Alaska (they can have Vancouver), and the US down the middle from Idaho through North Dakota on the North,and from Arizona to Florida on the South?

It would make for a pretty good country, strong and free, not screwed up.

Davaar
14th Oct 2008, 20:02
... and here we are falling off page 2 on polling day after 37 days of vicious campaigning (He's a liar! He's a fraud! The Man is a plagiarist! No! Goofy is a plagiarist! Barbie is empty of head. Barbie says her party members and well-wishers should vote for the party, unless of course they would rather have Goofy than The Man, in which case they should vote for da Leeberal, not her, and the Hell with their investment of money, time, effort, etc. Or not, of course. Smiley would never meet the ethics test for second-hand car salesman. Let's not talk about The Fifth Man!). Latest seems to be that the guvmint is going to guarantee our banks to some extent because everyone does, don't they?

pigboat
14th Oct 2008, 21:50
You are not in this for the geography are you!

Prince George, Prince Rupert, Le Petit Prince, Bonnie Prince Charlie, well you get the idea. There are as many Princes around out West as there are Saints down here. ;)

PaperTiger
14th Oct 2008, 22:21
I didn't vote for anyone. I certainly voted against someone though.

Suspect I'm not alone :oh:

Stockpicker
14th Oct 2008, 22:54
Just be sure you voted against the right way, Tiger, I tried that in my constituency and Tony still got back in.

Too late to join the argument now (would it not be uplifting, Davaar, to believe that everyone was too intent on monitoring the outcome to post?) but I really want to throw in my business two penn'orth - I used to work for some people who had a major Canadian business, and I was stunned to discover that I had no option but to duplicate all my publications in French.

Tell me where else in the world is a country where English is spoken widely but every publication has to be done in both English and another language. No, not CAN be, MUST be. (If I got that wrong, blame my local management team for misleading me).

Maybe that sounds too Anglophone.

OK,

Tell me where else in the world is a country where French is spoken widely but every publication has to be done in both French and another language. No, not CAN be, MUST be. (If I got that wrong, blame my local management team for misleading me).

My point is that there are local production costs in every country. To require two production costs in one country sets you back.

I don't mean courtesy or legal publications by local government - I mean every attempt by man to communicate with another man. Surely, this sets any country back by a sizeable percentage in competitive terms? And I am really, really sorry because I KNOW this will not be some bolt-from-the-blue moment when everyone else smacks their head and says "hell, why didn't we think of that?" - there is national pride, there are centuries of history. But why give yourself a couple of miles of marshland to struggle over before you are allowed to sell your wares to the world?

Tree
14th Oct 2008, 23:48
piggy;
Prince George, Prince Rupert, Le Petit Prince, Bonnie Prince Charlie, well you get the idea. There are as many Princes around out West as there are Saints down here.

And just to confuse you more we have captured the market on Forts.
Ft. McMurray, Ft. St. John, Ft. Nelson, Ft. Simpson, Ft. Langley, Ft. Chippewan, Ft. McLeod.
Nevermind!

nahsuD
15th Oct 2008, 00:13
If I got that wrong, blame my local management team for misleading me

I think that the blame would have to put squarely at you for not checking what your management team was telling you. What you speak of is simply not true. In Quebec the official language is French. English is tolerated, but signs in it must be smaller than their French counterparts. Dealing with Quebec government would have to be in French, although they may accept English, while maintaining that the French text or translation is "official". The rest of Canada operates in English. Provincial and federal governments produce documentation in both languages, but I can assure you that the language of business in Canada is English.

Davaar
15th Oct 2008, 15:28
Hey pigboat! This kinda proves my theory that Canadians are not the most loved of All Creation. No one wants to know the Rest of the Story, and if they don't, why should I keep them posted? See if I care. I expect you feel the same way. Not a bad result, though, would you say?

Did you catch the TV clip last night that showed Roger Smith of CTV complain en plein vol to Goofy that Goofy's RCMP protection goons have just roughed up the fourth estate, especially that part from CTV, namely Smith?

And Goofy's riposte, also for all to marvel at, that CTV is the least of his worries? Da Leeberal value, tabernac! And I don't expect any of the lot here even saw that clip from Halifax that has Goofy start three times to answer the CTV guy's question ("Let's start again") and then give up?

All they can do is ham up their second-hand stuff on Saturday Night Live, but ours is like Coke ... It's the Real Thing.

brickhistory
15th Oct 2008, 16:09
CNN is calling as retaining his PM status but without a majority as it has been since 2006.

How does this work? Is it a case of 'gridlock?'

Davaar
15th Oct 2008, 17:04
It is really very simple. The Man's position is not perfect, but it is less not perfect than it was before, which is good, or at the very least better. Goofy's position is not perfect, but it is much more less perfect than it was before, which is very good. Barbie and all her lot got the boot, which is totally perfect. Smiling Jack is not perfect, but more less perfect than before, which is good. Da bloquiste is doing quite well, which is Okay by me because I quite like the man, more anyway than I do Barbie, Goofy, and Smiling Jack.

PaperTiger
15th Oct 2008, 17:33
Just be sure you voted against the right way, TigerYup, job done :ok:

Tree
15th Oct 2008, 18:39
CNN is calling as retaining his PM status but without a majority as it has been since 2006.

How does this work? Is it a case of 'gridlock?'

bricks;
Ya basically. We are a balkanized country, poorly set up by the drunken fools from the little island in the north atlantic (Sir John A. Macdonald etc.) No Boston tea party for us, we are Canadian! Our unelected Senate is stacked with Liberal hacks. The Limeys beat out the Gorfs then gave it all back to them plus interest so we have to lick Quebec's boots forever. It's a dysfunctional serial dictatorship. If it wasn't for da ail in da ground we would be Mexico north. Don't y'all worry, we will always sell it to you cause we need to fund our political silliness and freebie health care.

Davaar
15th Oct 2008, 20:46
Is it a case of 'gridlock?'

Very close. See Tree above for pensee on Liberal hacks. As to "gridlock", the traditional term of affection or whatever for da Leeberal is "Grits" or "Clear Grits", for which explained see Google. You might say they have had a Gritlock on the control of power for altogether too long. Goofy tells us he is not a quitter, but you may be sure that having lost 17 (I think it is) seats for da Leeberal since last time he will soon have a choice of quitting or being quitted. Even now I hear the knives being sharpened, if not by A, then by B. The main Leeberal value is "We do not lose".

pigboat
15th Oct 2008, 22:16
This morning on the local CBC radio show from Quebec City, the animator was wondering about the longevity of Me. Dion's leadership. He said "There are no lack of candidates for the job, Justin Trudeau, Michael Ignatieff, Bob Rae and Gerard Kennedy, whom Dion has to thank for his win in the last convention."

Not bad, huh? The boy has won a seat in the House of Commons, and is already being touted as a Liberal leadership candidate. :eek:

Davaar
15th Oct 2008, 22:35
Not bad, huh?.

Not bad. Just heard a contributor to CFRA say that Quebec has done two things for us all in the election: (a) Prevented The Man from getting a majority. Who knows, asked the contributing intellect, what evil the demon would have got up to if he had won a majority; and (b) Elected Justin, a man of wonderful experience (I am not making this up) who can take up where his Dad left off. Of course, it would mean a sacrifice by Margaret, but she would have to make it in the common good.

nahsuD
16th Oct 2008, 00:12
Brick,
it could be gridlock, but I don't think that practically it will be. The conservatives have 143 of the 308 seats. They would need 155 to have a clear majority. So theoretically the other parties could all vote against a bill and not let it pass, however they are of different political views and as such would have a hard time agreeing on anything. I can see the Liberals (lefties) and NDP (extreme lefties) agree, but together they only have 114 votes. The remaining 50 are held by a Quebec only party whose only concern is sovereignty for Quebec, so they would not readily agree with anything any federalist party does.

I think Harper's as good as if he had a majority. Besides, at this point, anyone who brings the government down (by voting against an important bill) would suffer dearly at the polls so soon after an election. They also have no money for another election. NDP spent a lot of money to gain a few seats, and the Liberals were broke and in debt before they started. With Goofy as a leader, and the poor showing in the election they have no hope in hell of getting more money for a while.

Tree
16th Oct 2008, 00:38
Elected Justin, a man of wonderful experience (I am not making this up) who can take up where his Dad left off.

Oh great, Pepsi II. I'm outta here if that happens. Brick do you have any single sisters?

brickhistory
16th Oct 2008, 00:45
Oh great, Pepsi II. I'm outta here if that happens. Brick do you have any single sisters?

A) I hope that doesn't come to pass for you.

B) Sorry, only one sister, very married, and she's older than me (mid 40s, probably a bit longer in the tooth than you're looking for).

However, two cities where the pickings are good are Omaha, Nebraska and Washington, DC.

I live in the latter but I'm married so it's like a diabetic in a pastry shop...:{

Less of the Vassar crowd in Omaha, however.

BlueWolf
16th Oct 2008, 04:47
Would it ever be plausible to scoop out a new nation to include Canada from Manitoba to the West and Alaska (they can have Vancouver), and the US down the middle from Idaho through North Dakota on the North,and from Arizona to Florida on the South?

Some preliminary work has already been done on a similar idea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Cascadia) I believe. Doesn't include the desert or swampy alligator bits.

PaperTiger
16th Oct 2008, 17:08
Doesn't include the desert or swampy alligator bits.Or the OIL :ooh:

brickhistory
16th Oct 2008, 17:35
Or the OIL

Sorry, that's a deal breaker there.

West Coast
16th Oct 2008, 18:02
Would it ever be plausible to scoop out a new nation


Who needs lawyers parting up existing states, no one ends up happy. Simply
run, jump or swim across the border and pick an area you like and then hang out at home depot and bum rush every pickup truck looking for day work.

Works down on this border.

innuendo
16th Oct 2008, 20:15
I missed the old Rhinoceros Party this time around but I suppose that with five parties going at it, their positions would have been duplicated by someone from those organisations sooner or later.
One thing though that I liked from the Rhinos was a promise that if elected, their first action would be to ask for a recount.

Davaar
16th Oct 2008, 21:32
old Rhinoceros Party

I think we all miss them, and their off-the-wall policies .... but soft! Has the recent Green Shift of da Leeberal been no more than a subtle take-over of the Rhinoceros?

And on da Leeberal, here we are almost 48 hours after the close of polls on Tuesday, and Goofy has yet to make a public appearance or statement. Perhaps he has decided to goof-off. We live in dark and troubled times.

nahsuD
16th Oct 2008, 23:27
How about the Natural Law Party? Is that where the Greens have come from?

pigboat
16th Oct 2008, 23:58
...Elected Justin, a man of wonderful experience (I am not making this up) who can take up where his Dad left off.

A similar wish was was expressed today on the CBC Montreal noon-hour open mouth radio show. It would appear that Trudeau fils' election has started vibrations in the knickers of matrons from Westmount, Rockcliffe and Richmond Hill that have been dormant since the 1970's. Heavens! :eek:

Davaar
20th Oct 2008, 20:45
The polls closed at 9:30 PM on Tuesday 14 October and the results were known soon thereafter: Conservative 143; Liberal 76; Bloc 50; NDP 37. Other 2. From then until now, no sight or sound of Goofy.

There were "reports" that he believed he had been "elected" Leader of the Opposition. What a man.

Anyway he has just now at 2:00 PM on Monday 20 October given a press conference. He will resign from the leadership effective on the holding of a leadership review/election still to be arranged. He will not at that review be a candidate for leader, he says, but he will stay leader until then.

He was beaten, he says, because of those rotten Tories and their negative advertising. He himself did a very good job, he says, especially in the debates. Well Well! I turned off the debates half-way through because it was embarrassing to see an educated man (Goofy) scream "lies" and "lying" at the Prime Minister of the nation, who took it all with dignity as he tried to make a reasoned presentation over the rabble. Da Leeberal claim that Goofy is a class act. Not in my book.

The last Leeberal Prime Minister but one, Mr Chretien, changed the permitted means of fund-raising, limiting large corporate donations and encouraging giving by da leetle peeple. That struck me as odd, since da Leeberal was traditionally the party of big business and the Tories the party of small donations. I think his intention must have been to kick his successor Mr Martin, whom he detested, in the slats.

The present effect of this scheme has been to deny da Leeberal much of their former funding source, and to allow the Tories to campaign with a huge bundle raised from the Lumpenproletariat, which they did with glee.

At least two heavy Leeberal, Good Ol’ Bobby Rae, the former pinko, and Iggy Ignatieff, let loose by Harvard, both of them past and no doubt future candidates for leader, are reported to have told Goofy that his "Green Shift" (Goofy’s Gospel of Man-Mandated Global Warming: Let’s tax it! Da carbon tax) was: (a) unsaleable to the electorate; (b) inexplicable to the electorate; and (c) electorally disastrous. It has proved to be (a) unsaleable to the electorate; (b) inexplicable to the electorate; and (c) electorally disastrous. Goofy knew better. He refused to take heed. Throughout the campaign Bobby and Iggy sat on their thumbs.

Goofy remains convinced that he was right. His only fault lay in not explaining the inexplicable. His remaining as leader is therefore wonderful news for the Tories, for he is cordially detested by da leetle Leeberal, and especially by each and every leetle Leeberal of the 19 nor so who lost his cosy seat in the House.

Long may Goofy remain da driver of da bus. Vive Goofy!

P.S. Goofy is but the second leader of da Leeberal snce Confederation in 1867 who has failed to become Prime Minister.

pigboat
21st Oct 2008, 03:30
Watching Liberals getting down and dirty should be elevated to a national sport. It would provide more entertainment value than either lacrosse, hockey or nude jello wrestling. I would gladly fork over the dinero to watch it on Pay per View. :ok:

nahsuD
21st Oct 2008, 12:35
I would gladly fork over the dinero to watch it on Pay per View.

Pigboat,
you are already forking over enough dinero for the CBC where you can watch the shameless lovefest...

Condos on Front Street!!!!

pineridge
21st Oct 2008, 22:50
I have difficulty in understanding how the Liberal Party expected a man who has serious problems with the English language and holds a French passport could be elected to the post of Prime Minister of Canada. Perhaps he might have a shot at Ste. Pierre et Miquelon.

Davaar
21st Oct 2008, 23:15
a man who has serious problems with the English language and holds a French passport

......... and whose principal electoral pitch in broken English is: "Vote for me. I have a big new tax for you. No, I do not know the details yet, but it will be a good tax, for you will get it back again in a different way, do not bother me with details; and the Prime Minister is lying".

In the election da Leeberal lost 19 seats and won the lowest percentage of the popular vote in all elections since Confederation in 1867.

Today's radio commentaries are all implacably hostile to Goofy, yet he plans to stay as leader until a leadership convention at a date to be fixed maybe six months from now. Under the nutty (for the Leeberal) new fund raising rules (thanks, and it beggars belief, to Liberal Chretien) da Leeberal raised +/- $4,000,000 and the Conservatives raised +/- $17,000,000. Goofy believes he lost because of hate propaganda (bad hate propaganda) by the Tories and because the people did not understand his new tax. He overlooks Leeberal hate propaganda (good hate propaganda) against the PM. The people understood very well. Take your tax and stuff it.

The rumour is that Ignatieff plans to open war this week on the extended-fade-out scheme. We shall see. If Parliament does resume with Goofy there as Leader of the Opposition the mind boggles at what will happen. He may well try, who knows, to defeat a vote of confidence and plunge us into the third election in three years. If that happens, Goodbye Leeberal! No matter what, they will not be able to raise a penny with Goofy in the lead.

Goofy says, and I believe he thinks, he won the TV debates. He was awful.

brickhistory
22nd Oct 2008, 01:56
Oh Canada!


Come to our rescue.