Stuck on some coursework (Navy Related)

[wanabnavypilot]

Hi
I am doing some course work on what roles and responsibilities does the Royal Navy have to offer, i was wondering if some one can tell me about the responsibilities of the following ranks on a Naval Air Squadron:

Petty Officer,
Chief Petty Officer
Sub Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander
Thanls Wanab

[BEagle]

Petty Officer: Officer in charge of anything petty or trivial

Chief Petty Officer: Officer in charge of really petty matters.

Sub Lieutenant: Drives submarines

Lieutenant Commander: Drives lieutenants.








.....are not the correct answers. Sorry!!
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[Tourist]

I'm afraid those are ranks, not roles.
ie the person of that rank may do lots of different jobs depending on his role on the sqn

[wanabnavypilot]

Ok I will change the title of my eassay to what ranks and responsibilities does the royal navy have, so what jobs may a;
Petty Officer
Chief Petty Officer
Sub Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander

on a Naval Air Sqaudron

Thanks Wannab

[davejb]

So, ignoring the comedy routines and in a completely out of character attempt to actually help the guy -

Disclaimer: I'm ex-RAF, I 'visited' the RN off and on over a fairly long career (on board various ships I regularly enjoyed using words like 'Floor, ceiling, wall, door' as it invariably drew the expected reaction....my favourite was the day I said 'I'm not lugging this up 6 ****ing floors' on RFA Argus).... so this is a bit of an outsider's view that I hope the dark blue will modify and correct:

PO: pretty low on the food chain, expected to know his a**e from his elbow on the kit he's meant to operate, limited supervisory function. Some PO's might well run small sections of lower ranks, but this guy doesn't tell too many people what to do most days.

CPO: Whilst still expected to do stuff and work the kit properly, expected to be a professional who can supervise lower ranks very effectively, may have a training role, the sort of person who forms the NCO backbone of most competent military forces. Irregularly advises junior officers on protocol. (This often takes the form of an arm round the shoulder after alcohol intake, when the officer is debriefed informally about his man management and leadership skills).

Subbie: A sort of fledgeling, often given odd jobs to help develop character, leadership, common sense - you know, the sort of chap who gets a leaflet entitled "So you want to be the VD officer?" in the internal mail. Given SOME responsibility to see how they handle it, but seldom left to conn the ship through fog banks unaided. About on a par with the PO in some ways, but allowed to wear a nicer hat.

Lt Cdr: Probably in charge of something - perhaps even the squadron, at least temporarily. A senior officer (only just, which means that when REALLY senior officers get together it's the youngest looking Lt Cdr who has to make the tea). Essentially somebody who will be a sqn exec, not just another pilot/ohbserver. Often allowed to talk to the captain. (eg 'One lump or two, sir?)

Protocol - CPO's will believe themselves superior to all except the Lt Cdr, who they will (grudgingly) allow to have the last word if they insist. Lt Cdrs will figure they're top of the tree. It's a toss up, but I'd have to say it'd be a very confident subbie who decided to put a CPO in their place. Subbie v PO - decided either on 3 falls, a submission, or a blowback in Uckers.

Both the subbie and the PO would be expected to make mistakes and need guidance - the subbie more than the PO I'd suggest.

The subbie has better promotion prospects than the CPO and PO.

None of the 4 can afford to get carried away on 'Talk like a pirate day'.

Do let me know if you'd like my guide the the Army at any point :)

Dave

[minigundiplomat]

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[Spam_UK]

I wouldn't mind hearing your guide to the army!

[parabellum]

I thought a PO was equal to a SNCO, a CPO = WOII and a Fleet Chief PO was equal to a WOI?

[airborne_artist]

I thought a PO was equal to a SNCO, a CPO = WOII and a Fleet Chief PO was equal to a WOI?

Google is your friend (http://www.aircadetonline.com/flash_site/sqn_organisation_ranks_equivalent.htm) :ok:

[wanabnavypilot]

thanks guys, this has really helped
wannab

[contactin]

Hi there,

I see you are living in Cornwall. Why don't you give the Culdrose public relations officer a call and ask about going in there for the day and actually talk to some of the people of those ranks either Engineers or Aircrew.

Depending on your particular trade there are obviously different levels of responsibility for each rank in question and there is a direct relationship to how inportant that partucular trad is in the big scheme of things. For example you can have a;

Petty Officer Steward. He makes sure that the officers mess is up to scratch If he messe up no big deal as the officer misses out on a cup of tea which he is capable of making himself anyway.

Petty Officer Aircraft Engineer. Now if he makes a mistake people can die

You see what I mean. They are both the same Rank but their responsibilities and consequences of their actions are worlds apart.

Then you have NCO Aircrew who are at the top of the NCO Food chain (Lol).

Hope this helps but seriously give Culdrose a call if you want to see for yourself as they entertain students all the time especially if you are thinking of joining. PM if you want any more info

[FrogPrince]

Of the two Aircrew Lt Cdrs I worked with when mobilised, one was Ops Offr for an Apache Sqn and the other was doing a stint as Ops Offr at JHF (A), so they do sometimes get trusted with a reasonable size of a train set.

:ok:

[minigundiplomat]

Of the two Aircrew Lt Cdrs I worked with when mobilised, one was Ops Offr for an Apache Sqn and the other was doing a stint as Ops Offr at JHF (A), so they do sometimes get trusted with a reasonable size of a train set.



I can tell from that statement you have never been a part of JHF(A), or if you have, it was as part of the problem in the HQ, not the solution in the various cockpits.

JHF(A) is renowned for it's inability to organise a piss up in a brewery, especially by the crews of all shades operating under it's bloated banner.

It is not a 'train set' as you describe it, but a staff college for the doubtful.

[x213a]

Is it the actual ranks or the roles the actual ranks carry out within a squadron you require? Embarked squadron on a ship that is. The different surcoat colours also to differentiate.

Such as SMR, FDO, DSMR, FLOBS FLTCMDR etc.

[FrogPrince]

MGD,

PM in your In-tray.

FP

[wanabnavypilot]

I went to culdrose on Work experience and then found out about this coursework..what a pain!!!

[Zoom]

...what role(s)...does the Royal Navy have...

Wanab, you will need to learn the following:

'The Royal Navy goes to sea to defend itself. That's it.'

;)

[NutLoose]

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...what role(s)...does the Royal Navy have...
Wanab, you will need to learn the following:

'The Royal Navy goes to sea to defend itself. That's it.'

No doubt that is based on having a Carrier force that it can just about carry sufficient Jets to maintain a CAP over itself... whether the new Carriers ever see the light of day in the Political climes we have today is open to conjecture......... It will be a sad day if they never do however, also is the new F35 struggling to get round the circuit on an overshoot with it's fuel burn?


Actually I always thought a better Generalisation was

The Navy Officer goes to War with his men
The Army Officer sends his men to War
The RAF Officer is sent to War by his men......

Hence I did my time in the RAF ;):p:p

[parabellum]

The Army Officer sends his men to War - Not in WWI and WWII, in WWI average life expectancy of a young officer was about ten days in battle.

In the Navy you have officers wanting to be Gentlemen.

In the Army you have Gentlemen wanting to be Officers

In the RAF you have neither trying to be both!:}:E

[The Ferret]

..........or you could spend endless hours of fun browsing http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk and extract all the information you need for your project!
The Ferret:cool::cool::cool:

[x213a]

Give the guy a break and help him out ffs.

Learn what branches of the RN fall under the fleet air arm umbrella firstly.

The RN website, despite being essentially a **** advert will give you some info. Being proactive and approaching establishments to gain an insight will gain far better results than just having it served on a plate from the likes of here.

I think what you should aim to produce is an explanation of what a fleet air arm squadron is composed of , listing various roles and what different ranks are doing in their assigned roles..Also the fact that some roles can only be fulfilled by people of a certain rank.

Pm me if you want elaboration.

[wanabnavypilot]

Thanks to you guys a bit of help from www.dogpile.com (http://www.dogpile.com) I have compiled this,

Petty Officer (Non Commissioned Officer)
When you become a PO, your position in the Navy changes. You become a leader with authority. The rating badge symbolizes delegation of this authority by the Navy. The responsibilities of a petty officer are not always easy to carry out. You have to make decisions, plan jobs, and take the blame if plans go wrong. You have to lead your people, teach them, and correct them. You can’t always be a “good guy.” You have to give orders and that can be harder than following them.

As a petty officer, occasionally you will have to warn, reprimand, or even place personnel on report. Although these tasks may be disagreeable to you, they are part of the responsibility of a PO.

I am not sure about adding this-This rank are not frowned upon when mistakes are made. (I think it needs rewording)

right now just 3 remain :ok:

I would appreciate feedback on how accurate this is thanks
wannab

[airborne_artist]

Be prepared for some banter, but ask on Rum Ration (http://www.navy-net.co.uk/)

[wanabnavypilot]

Hi
I am really stuck on the following;

Chief Petty Officer
Sub Lieutenant
Lieutenant CommanderPlease can some body give me some ideas on what to put,
thanks wanab

[airborne_artist]

It's been a long time, but here goes:

CPO - a senior rating who will lead a team of Petty Officers and junior ratings - perhaps up to twenty. A technical specialist who will have expertise in aircraft sub-systems and their fault-finding and repair, though normally his POs will be doing this. Will be consulted by the engineering officers that he reports to, and very much seen as a colleague.

Sub Lt - bound to be a gash junior officer who is on his first tour. Will have joined as a non-graduate almost certainly, and while he may be given small projects to tackle, he won't be in charge of anything much.

Lt Cdr - a mid-ranking officer who will have a senior role in his unit (sqn/ship) as head of department, or deputy head in a larger ship (eg carrier). Typical FAA role would be Senior Pilot, Senior Obs, Sqn Training officer, or Sqn Engineering Officer. Will play a key role in the planning and execution of missions/ops, and longer term programmes such as work-ups etc. May deputise for Sqn Cmdr at key meetings etc.

[wanabnavypilot]

Thanks, this is really helpful
wanab