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Mach trim
26th Sep 2008, 12:12
Any thoughts on the changes in Revision 42 ?
Interested in hearing objective opinions

Some of the changes are great for sure.
Like the Smoke/Emergency Elec, EGT at RTO,etc.

But, Are these guys at Airbus for real ??

In the aircraft it says PULL STD, remember they changed it to set STD.,etc. ?

Now they have changed it so the pnf does exterior lights AT T/O, STROBE LIGHTS.

Why this change ?

PF switches APU off, how is this an improvement in the flow ?

Is this a make work projec, for us and them?

Cheers.Appreciate the feedback

Chirpie
26th Sep 2008, 13:38
I think the APU being put off by the PF makes sense as the PNF previously had to confirm with the P1 before putting the APU off after the PF had put the APU Bleed off. Now it is two push buttons which fall quite smoothly in the after start flow of the PF.
The lights at line up are also convenient and allows for look around time and focus on outside while getting onto the R/W for the PF.
Guess change is always difficult to stomach.:yuk:

FlightDetent
26th Sep 2008, 15:47
The reasoning behind the new after start flow is a mystery to me. PF select E-AI ? No head-up for PNF ? True we dont wait and ask before deselecting the APU as it is considered pointless habit from previous type.

SIDSTAR
7th Oct 2008, 18:28
You're trying to figure out Airbus reasoning?? What about changing from calling the colours of some of the FMA items to calling them when armed but not when active? Gimme a break.

Write your own SOPs/Calls based on the sensible ones from Airbus (or any other manufacturer) and based on the requirements of your particular operation. They'll serve you far better than something dreamed up in Toulouse or Seattle designed to show up the aircraft in the best possible light. For example, take flaps and slats at limit speeds as is often recommended by both big boys and see what it does to your engineering budget for repairs!

TO MEMO
9th Oct 2008, 23:23
Changes in revision 42 make sense.

Airbus SOPs calls for PF preparing all the aircraft, systems, FMGS, etc, that`s why PF does the overhead panel, etc. But when the aircraft is moving he/she nolonger touches the ovhd panel, PF will request PNF to do it.

So basically anytime the parking brake is set, the PF will make the changes required in the overhead panel, hence the change in rev 42, the flow is made before the after start checklist, so parking brake is set at the time, PF should selecte anti ice, if required, APU off and taxi light.

Same applies to strobes and landing lights, PNF now will turn them on, and not PF, since he is taxying.

Lookleft
10th Oct 2008, 00:57
The PNF always turns the lights on when entering the runway in the airline I fly for. Turning off the APU by the PF also seems to make sense as they are turning off the bleed anyway.

potkettleblack
10th Oct 2008, 08:54
There are far to many a/c going off taxiways onto the grass these days with people heads down whilst the thing is moving so if it keeps the PF looking out in a dynamic environment then it has to be a good thing from a safety perspective.

FlightDetent
10th Oct 2008, 09:36
So basically anytime the parking brake is set, the PF will make the changes required in the overhead panel, hence the change in rev 42, the flow is made before the after start checklist, so parking brake is set at the time, PF should selecte anti ice, if required, APU off and taxi light. That is a fine way of looking at the new procedure, will use it.

Another thing I miss is that the three PNF flows (after start, line up, after landing) finished on the overhead panel naturally bringing PNF head up. This concept had diminished somehow.

FD.