Congratulations China Part 2

[Beta Light]

China Milk Scandal Shows Ties Between Companies, City Officials

By John Liu

Sept. 19 (Bloomberg) -- A week before the Beijing Olympics began on Aug. 8, officials in Shijiazhuang, China, learned that baby formula made by one of the city's biggest companies was tainted with a toxic chemical. They said nothing.

828a????????

[Beta Light]

Before you ask what this has to do with aviation, this is where we work, live and bring up kids, so yes it does affect us.

There are also a lot of applicants, who should be fully informed before making that important decision,

[828a]

Beta Light;

You may recall one of the things I mentioned previously was China's policy of coming down hard on the criminal element, the Tibet trouble makers and the misguided Falon Gong. This shameful greed induced milk affair comes under the heading of "criminal element " so just you watch the heads that will roll as a result. It's a bad business but possible no worse intentionally than the excessive greed and arrogance that the USA financial wizards are inflicting on the innocent believers of the rotten capitalist system.

828a.

[404 Titan]

828a
It's a bad business but possible no worse intentionally than the excessive greed and arrogance that the USA financial wizards are inflicting on the innocent believers of the rotten capitalist system.
Maybe you need to have a word with your wonderful and understanding Chinese Central Government. You know the one in Beijing. They are one of the largest believers in the “Rotten Capitalist System” that you so vehemently despise. To put it bluntly, you’re an idiot, but keep posting because I like seeing you make a fool of yourself.:D

[hongkongfooey]

DB Park'N'Rob " allegedly " put this milk on special a few days before the news report broke. Sources say that this milk has never been discounted in the past................
:mad:ing charming.

[828a]

404 Titan;

Calm down, that's not like you to froth off at the mouth with personal insults and certainly not in keeping with the know it all image you like to project. I suspect you may have lost a little capitalist capital recently so I'll forgive your outburst but only this once.

828a.

[404 Titan]

828a

I will remove my comment if you like? It still won’t change my opinion though. You know what that is don’t you? oh, on second thought maybe you don’t because they frown on that sought of thing where you come from don’t they?:ooh::eek::oh:

As to my capitalist capital, apart from my provident fund which has lost, like everyone else including you, some of its value, it is still much better than if I had left it in the Emerging and China Markets fund. Apart from that my expertise is in the currency trading market and that market has been ripe for the pickings since July if you had your money in the correct currency.:ok:

[828a]

404 Titan:
I don't expect you to remove anything you have said as that is your prerogative, however I am sure we can agree on one thing and that is it is best to be civil to each other. You are correct in saying that we are all down somewhat in the money stakes so let's hope for the sake of all political persuasions that things improve. absit invidia (let there be no ill will).

828a

[GlueBall]

. . . and nobody is forced to drink milk. :{

[N1 Vibes]

Not forced but 'gently' encouraged:

Under the EU Subsidy, all milk is free for the Under 5’s, as long as they are in care/education for more than two hours a day. The milk would be ordered as per Under 5 child and the LA or registered organisation is able to reclaim the cost. (taken from the UK School Milk Project website)

All those educated under the UK system will remember the free milk. If you want to get people drinking the product of your country's agriculture - start 'em young!

July 5, 2006
A new program called "Drink Half Liter Milk Every Day to Strengthen People's Health" has been formally launched at Ninggang Project Hope Primary School in Ninggangshan, an historic area for China's military revolution.

This program is supported by China Mengniu Dairy Company and co-organized by the Dairy Association of China (DAC), National School Milk Office, Centre for Public Nutritional and Development of China, People's Daily and CCTV for the purpose of popularizing milk drinking among the public.

Mengniu will provide fresh milk to more than 200 pupils at this school for a period of one year. And later it will offer free milk to 500 elementary schools in the poverty-stricken areas across China for the same term. (taken from a Chinese news agency)

Those educated under the chinese system are happy to receive anything free in impoverished areas. Where's the choice?

Regards,

N1 Vibes

[LapSap]

Slowly the truth begins to emerge. Why are we not surprised. Sly, conniving and unconscionable. What honourable cultural traits.

The Standard - Hong Kong's First FREE English Newspaper (http://thestandard.com.hk/breaking_news_detail.asp?id=6476)

Nearly 53,000 babies sickened by milk powder
(09-22 14:24)
Nearly 53,000 children in China have been sickened by milk powder contaminated by an industrial chemical, the government said, dramatically ramping up its previous figures.

A total of 52,857 children had been brought to hospitals after falling ill, a health ministry spokesman told AFP. Most had "basically recovered'' but 12,892 of them remained hospitalized, he added.

AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE


"Basically recovered". Whats that - they'll only be on a dialysis machine for the rest of their life?

[slapfaan]

This shameful greed induced milk affair comes under the heading of "criminal element " so just you watch the heads that will roll as a result

WRONG 828a..this has nothing to do with anything criminal..

Its all about character and what it shows about the chinese,especially the mainland mob who are basically the scum of the earth..(YES - your communist buddies)..

It's all about money,money and more money,self-centered bunch of pricks!
If it's not lead in kids toys or tainted dumplings..then poisened milk and other produce almost now on a monthly basis..

But rest assured that the world is well informed (despite all the cover-ups!)and becoming more and more reluctant to buy ANYTHING that has the "made in china" sticker on it:yuk:

A look into the future: Boycotts and international bans on just about ALL chinese manufactured sh:mad:t..now where will THAT leave your "fantastic Chinese economy" 828a..!!:eek:

[hongkongfooey]

If it's not lead in kids toys or tainted dumplings..then poisened milk and other produce almost now on a monthly basis..


Hey !! you forgot the "mercury and other lovely stuff " carrying pollution, thats slowly but surely making every single one of us sick :yuk: but hey, as long as that coal is cheap to burn, or that factory keeps churning out kiddy killing toys..........no problem :mad:

[AD POSSE AD ESSE]

Yeah I agree with SLAPFAAN on this one regarding the money..

That's certainly all the chinese seem to be interested in, no matter what the cost to the environment and peoples lives..

Absolutely shocking that the western world just sit by,too scared to provoke the "sleeping dragon":uhoh:

But as the saying goes: "what goes around, comes around" and the wheel is surely turning on China..their products should be boycotted the same way they are so quick to boycott eg. French companies after the Paris mayor spoke out against them..

Viva la France..viva la difference!!!:)

[Teal]

If news reports can be relied upon, it seems that China's food chain is not only at risk, but that it is likely that things will get a lot worse before they get better:

China's food chain now at risk | The Australian (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24372461-2703,00.html)

About 18 months ago a colleague of mine gave me an article about contaminated products (including food) coming out of China. I took little notice of it at the time, but it seems that this problem has been a time bomb just waiting to go off.

[cx252]

guys, shut your mouth, back to your work. Leave this forum about Aviation. Yawn!!!

[828a]

You gentlemen who are slagging China are to be congratulated on your ability to conjure up words that are straight out of English history. "Sly" "conniving" and "unconscionable" surely come from the horrors of the industrial revolution and the children employed in the coal mines. "Scum of the Earth" and "money money money" could only come from historical accounts of the Anglo drug runners who specialised in the sale of opium that reaped them unimaginable profits and at the same time destroyed many thousands of lives.

I'm not saying China's policies are perfect. There are certain things that need to be fixed and this is happening but it's a bit rich to read what amounts to selective muckraking when it is a sure bet that the clothes the muckrakers are wearing along with a myriad of personal items such as the crockery on their kitchen table is a product of the very country they choose to denigrate. They (muckrakers) more than likely have heard the word hypocrisy but I doubt if they know what it means.

828a

[AD POSSE AD ESSE]

My dear 828a..

I see that your fake and probably lead-tainted electronic dictionary is working well..

As for the industrial revolution, of which China was a part of, ended quite some time ago mate, and wasn't it just less than a year ago that all those kids were found working in chinese factories on the mainland..As you put it yourself :"the horrors of it all..."

Let's conclude our history lesson of today by adding that it has been China's agenda for years and years now to rape other souvereign countries in africa of their natural minerals, under the false pretenses of " helping these poor nations as a show of sincerity":yuk:

Household items are from IKEA (Swedish founded, Dutch owned) and thanks to my, and your, WESTERN owned employer, I can afford to buy imported, non-toxic foodstuffs...unlike the poor mothers who have lost their babies, thanks to your selfish, greedy, "Sly" "conniving" and "unconscionable" communist buddies whom you are forever praising in your pathetic post..:=

[Teal]

Is China's Pollution Poisoning Its Children?: Scientific American (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=chinas-children-of-smoke)

[And Then]

Nice regime....

Looking for answers in a country with a corrupted conscience?


A teacher in southwest China has been sent to a labour camp for publicising photos of school buildings that collapsed in the devastating May 12 earthquake, a rights group said Wednesday.

Liu Shaokun was jailed without trial after posting photos on the Internet showing schools flattened in the magnitude-8.0 quake in Sichuan province, the New York-based Human Rights in China said.

Liu's wife was informed by police last week that the school teacher had been sentenced to one year "reeducation through labour" for "disturbing public order," it said.

Since he was detained on June 25 on suspicion of "inciting subversion," Liu's family has been denied access to him and were not formally notified of his detention as required by the law, it said.

[828a]

AD POSSE AD ESSE;

You are fortunate to be able to afford imported foodstuffs ( as you call them ) but your reference concerning " poor mothers " rings hollow considering the rest of what you say is rubbish. By the way the word sovereign is not spelt with a " u ".

828a.

[ONE BIRD]

Teal, pollution again? give it a rest. If you people want China to stop emitting poisonous gas, then stop asking chinese factories to produce your goods. ah..... yes, it's cheaper in china......... labor, for example.
so you people paying peanuts then sell them at an obscene amount!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you call this taking advantage of the poor?
US and the rest invade Iraq(sorry, FREE Iraq), for what?

[Teal]

One bird, racism again? Emitting poisonous gases is one thing (most countries are guilty of that to varying degrees) but deliberately introducing poisonous contaminants to food products is something else.

[And Then]

Even the Nazis didn't kill their own babies. :suspect:

[viktor inox]

Even the Nazis didn't kill their own babies.


Patently not true, And Then:=. The killing of babies, particularly those with mental or physical handicaps, was practised during 1939 to 1945. It is estimated that some 5,000 children became victims of this practice.

[828a]

May I remind all to be tuned in to TV this evening ( Thursday 25th ) at 2110 HK time to watch China's latest Shenzhou 7 spacecraft lift off with three astronaughts aboard. History being made and the gap narrowing.

828a.

[slapfaan]

China's latest Shenzhou 7 spacecraft

...And even though it IS stolen technology from the WEST, it still costs an arm and a leg..

Now there was quite a lot of $$ made from all the tainted milk product etc, by companies like Sanlu with major stakeholders as none other than corrupt government officials..YES..the same mob funding the space project..:yuk:

[N1 Vibes]

828a,

I have to pick up the point you make in #22. China has followed the agricultural model of the rest of the world, with industrial production techniques and central distribution - meaning the greens you bought today were picked 2,000km away 3 days before.

But, there is still a proportion using traditional methods, on a small scale, selling locally. And quite often these small scale producers are not using expensive/polluting pesticides and fertilizers.

If the government were to encourage local production and local distribution of small scale farmed goods, then you wouldn't have people in one province putting chemicals etc into food products for sale in another province. Because, if they did - the local poulus would be very soon onto them, rather than the milk investigation which took weeks/months.

The reason that mass produced goods are cheap is economies of scale AND large crops from pesticide/fertilisers.

The universe/space is a fascinating place - but spending billions and billions on developing a rocket to get there, while not supporting/regulating the nations agriculture - is myopic! (Note this not only applies to China)

Regards,

N1 Vibes

[828a]

slapfaan;

The word " stolen " is way off the mark. What you are referring to is modified reverse engineering and it is available to any country with the brains and resources to pick it up. It just so happens that China does have the brains and resources so let's wish them well because in the long run we will all benefit.
At this stage of proceedings with about six hours to go everything is looking good. Beijing television station CCTV 9 will screen the launch in English but all others will have it in Chinese.

828a.

[Teal]

....modified reverse engineering...That would be spying I assume....:hmm:

Chinese Spy 'Slept' In U.S. for 2 Decades - washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/04/02/ST2008040204050.html)

Spy case patterns the Chinese style of espionage | csmonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1130/p01s01-usfp.html)

Diplomat tells of Chinese spy network - World - theage.com.au (http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/diplomat-tells-of-chinese-spy-network/2005/07/22/1121539131422.html)

[treboryelk]

Mad Cow Disease has now been discovered in the United States. Given the fact that the USDA only tests one cow out of every 2,000, no one really knows how many of these infected animals may have already entered the human food supply.

Hundreds of thousands of gallons of Austrian wine have apparently been doctored with poisonous diethylene-glycol, or automobile antifreeze, to make them taste sweeter, like more expensive Austrian wines.

After a hostile reception and being locked up in remote detention camps in the Australian desert, over 90 per cent were given refugee status. They are the visible asylum seekers. The overcrowded boats, with sad and desperate looking people, made for graphic media images.

could only happen in china couldnt it!

[viktor inox]

After a hostile reception and being locked up in remote detention camps in the Australian desert, over 90 per cent were given refugee status. They are the visible asylum seekers. The overcrowded boats, with sad and desperate looking people, made for graphic media images.


treboryelk: are you suggesting that Australians are taking boats to China to claim asylum there:ugh: The "remote detention camps" in Oz are, in fact, for instance the former Woomera Air Force base, where Australian military personnel somehow managed to sleep without air conditioners, but the boat people (who claimed their previous lives had been so miserable) demanded they be given aircon units.

[treboryelk]

nope....i have utmost respect for Australia and the principles that it upholds.....

just think this holier than though approach is a bit much when our supposed developed nations are not that far removed from what goes on over the border!

[viktor inox]

Let's hope they don't let Shenzhou 7 anywhere near the milky way - the last place we want to see melamine!

[slapfaan]

Thanks TEAL..

I was looking for those articles about the chinese spies..still loyal to mother China after having been PARASITES in the US for decades...
Hope the ones who got caught are having a "HARD-TIME" in jail...:\

828a because in the long run we will all benefit

Benefit from what? The americans did this 60 years ago already and NASA is currently looking at MARS and beyond..while your commies haven't even done the moon yet for crying out loud!!

Oh..you must be referring to the SPY satellite that they are going to put in orbit, in order to monitor food and milk production and anybody else stepping out-of-line, so that they can get re-educated:ok:

[leopold bloom]

Shenzhou 7 Liftoff;
May I remind all to be tuned in to TV this evening ( Thursday 25th ) at 2110 HK time to watch China's latest Shenzhou 7 spacecraft lift off with three astronaughts aboard. History being made and the gap narrowing.
History? Welcome to the 1960's.:D

[fire wall]

beautiful Viktor, just bloody beautiful !

[hongkongfooey]

Is there any truth to the rumour that when the Shenzhou 7 boys asked for ATC clearance the reply was " Cannot, delay undetermined !! "
When they finally got airborne some 3 hours late,they were held down to 7100m, then step climbed to 7700m, 8300m and then told that was their final level, at which point they ran out of fuel and fell to the ocean where their shenzhen " copy " capsule disintergrated........................any truth :confused:

After a hostile reception and being locked up in remote detention camps in the Australian desert, over 90 per cent were given refugee status. They are the visible asylum seekers. The overcrowded boats, with sad and desperate looking people, made for graphic media images.

I am sure if a boat load of any race of people turned up on a China shore, unannouced, they would be fed and housed and given legal council to sue the chinese government for unfair treatment, yes, I am sure that would happen :rolleyes:
We've seen what you do to your own people, let alone anyone elses.

Lets not forget chaps/chapesses, under the " Congrats China " banner, their relentless contribution to reaching peak oil as soon as possible. Yes, flying jets around at 10,000 feet below optimum, sorry, 3000m, really is good for the endless oil supply and the atmosphere...............go you good things. :mad:

[turnandburn]

Delay was due flow control in BJS due thunderstorm in xiamen, apparently delivery took sometime to give them an off blocks time.

[Kitsune]

Chinese publish tales from space, even before take-off - Times Online (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article4826302.ece)

[sirhcttarp]

I hope those astronauts don't get distracted during their spacewalks wondering if their freeze dried food is contaminated with melamine!

[freightdog188]

just a quick history update for 828a: first spacewalk was in 1965 when Alexey Leonov stepped out of Voskhod 2.
Which means nothing but that you oh so brilliant guys needed 43 years of stealing and copying to get to the scientific and technological level that the russians (with some German POW help) reached almost half a century ago, using a spacecraft with the computing power of my 10 HK$ pocket calculator.

oh I'm very impressed.

[hongkongfooey]

Turn, my sources say it was a Mig 21 getting airbourne in Nanchang.....LOL :}
Flow control thru Dotmi 10 mins ( 60 mile spacing ) :{

[turnandburn]

Fooey,

I think Long March Rockets require 600 mile spacing.

[Teal]

I wonder if they actually believe the crap they write....:confused:

Milk taints even space triumph | theage.com.au (http://www.theage.com.au/world/milk-taints-even-space-triumph-20080928-4pn3.html)

Colonel Zhai's space endeavours have cast to one side the tainted milk scandal that had gripped the country until Shenzhou VII lifted off on Thursday.

An editorial run in major newspapers said the success of China's "nation-building feats" demonstrated the superiority of its political system to the West's "corrupt, divisive and inept policy-making".

In an unmentioned irony, the company at the heart of the scandal, Sanlu, is the official sponsor and milk supplier to the space program.
And the irony of Sanlu being a sponsor...:yuk:

[cx252]

I tell you what, no matter who you are, chinese, westerners, people are all the same. ****TY. :ok: right, and myself. :ugh:

[Beta Light]

Now they tap Skype !!!
Sad bunch.

[Despot75]

Space walk......Woo Hoo!

Next thing they'll do, is invent the "internet".

[viktor inox]

Nice to know that the Chinese big wigs are in no danger of being exposed to all the sh1t that goes into food production for their lesser comrades. (In communism, all are equal, of course, but some are more equal than others).

Asia Sentinel - Poison for the people, green food for the nomenklatura (http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1529&Itemid=171)