SA CAA Vs UK CAA

[mmrassi]

Hi,
Is the CAA CPL/IR issued by South Africa is accepted by UK CAA or other countries under UK standards?

And I also would like to know how can we convert the SA CPL/IR to a JAR equivalent in Africa? I mean is there any countries inside Africa where we can go and change the license to JAR?

[Leezyjet]

Nope, you would have to convert an SA CPL/IR license to JAR.

Nowhere in Africa that I know of that do conversions.

Have a look here for the rules and regs on UK licensing :-

LASORS: LASORS 2008 | Publications | CAA (http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&id=1591)

It's a big file, 74.2mb so you might wish to download it from the page linked above.

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[Bucket]

43 Air School in Port Alfred, South Africa have been doing JAA training for a while now. They might be able to guide you on this. You will have to sit the JAA exams (I assume you'll sit the ATPL exams as there is no point in siting the CPL exams) in the UK. It might be possible for you to do the flight test in SA as I believe 43 sometimes have a UK DE come out to SA to do this for there students but check with them.

You'll also need a Class One medical and since this is an initial examination I'm pretty sure you'll have to do this at Gatwick first, thereafter Philip Buys in Pretoria can renew your JAA medical each year at the same time as your SA medical though there are two separate fees for doing this.

The whole process is neither cheap nor easy. The studying is more than what you covered for the SA licence.

Need more help/info? PM me.

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[johnny_18]

Hey guys and gals,

It looks like I will need a south african issued ATPL in order to complete a contract in South Africa.

Do you know how one would go about converting/validating a UK CAA ATPL into a SA CAA ATPL?


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[aintboeingaintgoing]

Hi

I would be really keen to know myself I have the 14 subjects (UK) and have done 150 hours flying all in SA. I have found out that to get the SA CPL you only have to do 3 subjects LAW, Met, Operations and Procedures and performance, the school that I have done all my flying at are getting an answer about the ATPL stuff......

Watch this space and ill let you know or if you like pm me if you have any more questions!

[Bucket]

I went to SA back in 2000 and converted my UK fATPL to an SA CPL. Had to write all seven of the SA CPL subjects, get a medical and then did the flight test. Fairly straight forward.

My UK ATPL will be unfrozen soon and now I wish to go for the SA ATPL but the thought of doing all seven ATPL subjects (many of which are a rehash of the CPL exams with some icing on the cake) does not fill me with glee. I've been away from SA for two years so not too sure what has changed.

Perhaps we can all swap some info and help each other on this?

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[FaFa]

I'm very curious about SA licenses
Are SA licenses creditable in Europe and middle East??

[Glynis]

"JAR ATPL --> SA ATPL Conversion/Validation

Hey guys and gals,

It looks like I will need a south african issued ATPL in order to complete a contract in South Africa.

Do you know how one would go about converting/validating a UK CAA ATPL into a SA CAA ATPL?"

See below - posted on another thread

Conversion of a foreign pilot licence and ratings
(24) The holder of a current South African validation issued in terms of the Air
Navigation Regulations of 1976 may apply for the conversion of his or her licence, without having to meet the theoretical knowledge or practical skills tests requirements of Part 61 provided that;

(a) the validation had, prior to 1 January 2008, been held for a uninterrupted period of 3 years or more; and

(b) has acquired not less that 750 hours flight time in the three years referred to in paragraph (a) above.

(25) The application for the issuing of a South African pilot licence or any rating on the strength of a foreign pilot licence or rating must be made to the Commissioner in the form set out in Document SA CATS-FCL 61 and the applicant must meet all the requirements laid down in sub-regulation (26)

(26) Notwithstanding sub-regulations 61.1.14 (24) and (25), an applicant applying for the conversion of his foreign pilot licence must attach to his application the following documentation:

(a) a letter of motivation for conversion of the licence;

(b) an up-to-date Curriculum Vitae;

(c) a certified copy of the pages of his or her logbook containing:
(i) the last 12 months’ summary;
(ii) endorsements of all class or type ratings;
(iii) endorsements of the last revalidation of his or her licence, class or type and instrument flight ratings;

(d) a certified copy of his or her licence; and

(e) a valid South African medical certificate, as applicable.

(27) All new applicants for the conversion of a licence shall be required to pass the South African Civil Aviation Authority theoretical examination as prescribed below:

(a) Private Pilot Licence (PPL/VFR):
(i) Air Law.
(ii) Meteorology.
(iii) Flight Performance and Planning.

(b) Private Pilot Licence with Instrument Rating:
(i) Air Law and Procedures.
(ii) Meteorology.
(iii) Flight Performance and Planning.

(c) Commercial Pilot Licence (CPL/VFR):
(i) Air Law.
(ii) Meteorology.
(iii) Flight Performance and Planning.

(d) Commercial Pilot Licence with Instrument Rating (CPL/IR):
(i) Air Law and Procedures.
(ii) Meteorology.
(iii) Flight Performance and Planning.

(e) Airline Transport Pilot Licence:
(i) Air Law and Procedures.
(ii) Meteorology.
(iii) Flight Performance and Planning.
Training for the conversion of a licence, rating or validation

(28) The applicant shall be required to attend training at an approved Part 141 aviation training organisation and receive tuition at the discretion of the Chief Flying Instructor (CFI) with respect to differences in South African airspaces, flight performance and planning and typical Southern Africa weather patterns. The CFI shall issue a letter of recommendation to the applicant to gain entry to the South African Civil Aviation Authority (the Authority) on-line examinations.
Skills tests for the conversion of a licence, rating or validation

(29) The applicant for the conversion of a licence shall be required to
undergo a skills test which must be conducted by a Designated Flight Examiner as shown below:

(a) Private Pilot Licence (PPL/VFR) - skills test as for an initial issue;
(b) Private Pilot Licence with Instrument Rating (PPL/IR) - skills test for revalidation of an instrument rating;
(c) Commercial Pilot Licence (CPL/VFR) - skills test as for an initial issue;
(d) Commercial Pilot Licence with Instrument Rating (CPL/IR) - skills test for revalidation of an instrument rating.
(e) Airline Transport Pilot Licence - skills test for revalidation of an instrument
rating.
Conversion of foreign instructor rating

(30) A foreign flight instructor rating may be converted on compliance with subregulations 61.16.3(1), (3) and (4).

Requirements for issuing, validity, privileges and limitations
(31) The requirements for the issuing, the validity, the privileges and limitations of any South African pilot licence and ratings, issued on the basis of the strength of a foreign licence, are those prescribed in these Regulations for the issuing, the validity, the privileges and limitations of the equivalent South African licence or rating.

(32) The Commissioner must ensure that a pilot licence or rating is issued in such a manner that the validity thereof is readily determined.

[Der absolute Hammer]

But here there is some English language confusion?
A conversion and a validation are not the same?
A conversion implies that you get one book and rights for another, - an exchange almost.
A validation is the right to fly in a country using a foreign licence but only for the duration of the foreign licence and only within it is limitations.

So what is meant by what?