Deer Air info

[JotaJota]

I have an interview with Deer Air next month, so looking for ANY info I can get on the interview process, training, and then the whole operation. Any info will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks a lot,
JJ

[T-6]

Where are you from? I think I know you but any way I was thinking to apply so if you find any info or if I do I post you or viceversa

regards

[JotaJota]

Hmmm... PM me if you think we know each other... later... JJ

RISHWORTH AVIATION
CONTRACT TERMS AND CONDITIONS
A319/320/321 Captains
DEER AIR
About Deer Air:
Deer Air Co. Ltd (Deer Air) headquarters are based at Beijing Capital Airport. They are the third airline
after Air China and Hainan Airlines Group to have their operational headquarters here.
Officially launched in November 2006, Deer Air is the only corporate and leisure charter flight operator
in China and is the only Asian member of IACA.
Since December 2007 Deer Air has been operating 12 x A319 aircraft, its network covering 40
domestic and international cities.
Deer Air plans to introduce a further 20 x Airbus series aircraft to its fleet in the next few years.

About Xian:
Xian is the capital of Shaanxi province and it is the most important city in northwest China.
The cultural and historical significance of Xian, as well as the abundant relics and sites, help Shaanxi
enjoy the laudatory title of 'Natural History Museum'. Along with Athens, Cairo and Rome it is one of
the four major ancient civilization capitals. The Museum of Terra Cotta Warriors and Horses is praised
as 'the eighth major miracle of the world'. The natural landscape around Xian includes Mt.Huashan
one of best-known mountains in China, is famous for its breath-taking cliffs and its unique
characteristics.

For more information please go to China travel guide, China tours packages with 24/7 service (http://www.travelchinaguide.com) and Xi'an - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi%27an)
Routes:
Between Xian and Hangzhou, Nanjing, Qingdao, Guilin, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Shanghai, Haikou, Wuhan,
Chongqing; Between Shenzhen and Ningbo, Chongqing; Between Beijing and Haikou, Kunming
Rishworth Aviation in China:
Rishworth Aviation has a dedicated team based in China who are able to assist you during the
Screening process and in settling in to working and living in China. We are also there to facilitate
communications with the Airline, and ensure everything goes as smoothly as possible for you during
your time on contract with us.

Total Payment (net/after tax in China):
Note: All currencies are in US dollars unless otherwise specified.
Salary US$10,000
Accommodation Allowance US$2,000
Flying Allowance US$1,000
TOTAL: US$13,000 + travel provision below***
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Base:
Xian, China.
Contract Term:
2 years renewable. You will receive a US$24,000 bonus on completion of 2 years of service

Minimum Qualifications /Hours:
Total Time: 4000+ hrs
PIC on type (A319/320/321): 500+ hrs
Currency on type (A319/320/321): Within last 6 months
Age: Under 53 years at date of joining
Valid/current ICAO ATPL from country that has diplomatic relations with China
Valid/current A319/320/321 Command type rating
Valid/current Class 1 Medical
No history of incidents or accidents
Passport from country that has diplomatic relations with China

Start Date:
As soon as possible, ideally from June 08 onwards.
Duty Pattern/Days Off:
14 consecutive days every 6 weeks.
Annual Leave:
Nil due to duty pattern/days off above.
Sick Leave:
12 paid days per year
Duty Ground Transportation:
The airline will provide ground transport between hotel/accommodation and airport at Base and when
on duty away from Base.
Travel:
Firm economy class air tickets will be provided by the airline at commencement and termination of
assignment.
***The airline will reimburse for air tickets/travel costs for you and/or immediate family members of up
to US$5,000 every 6 months of service, applicable after completing 6 months on assignment.
Reimbursement is subject to providing receipts.
The airline will provide to you and/or immediate family members unlimited access on seat available
basis on its own network according to the airline’s policies.
Accommodation:
Accommodation provided by the airline during initial 4 week training period – see below.
Thereafter pilot is responsible for his own accommodation.
Accommodation provided by the airline during layovers away from Base.
Overtime:
Payable after 80 hours at 1/80th of the Salary amount.
Taxation:
All payments to you are net of income tax in China.
Insurance:
Expatriate Medical & Repatriation insurance will be provided.
Application / Interview Process:
Screenings and start dates are subject to candidates availability with anticipation of delivery of further
5 aircrafts arriving from June to December 08.
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The airline will pay for costs of Screening, including economy air tickets, accommodation, and ground
transport.
Screening will require you to go to Beijing and will take approximately 7 days (plus flights to & from
Beijing). It will include:
1. Sim
2. Medical
3. Review with airline - which will include sighting all originals of documents provided
Start of Contract – Exam/Training :
Training and Exams will be completed in Beijing, before you go to Xian. In addition to ground and flight
training in Beijing you will be required to sit:
1. ATPL/Chinese Theory Exam
2. English Exam(Note: If you already hold the ICAO Level 4 English Certificate/Test Result, please provide a copy of this to
us, as this may prevent the need to sit the English exam in China).
Study material and tutoring will be provided to you.
The ground and flight training is anticipated to take 1 week, followed by a ground training test and
flight training examination, and then route flight under supervision for 1 week, then a line check/airline
approval before being a fully operational Captain.
During the exam and training period until you are checked to line/airline approved the airline will
provide you with accommodation and 80% of salary above. This period will be for a maximum of 4
weeks, subject to successfully having passed the exams. For more details please discuss with us.

Documents needed:
- Licence showing A320 type rating
- Valid Medical
- Last Sim Check report on A320
- Last 2 pages of logbook showing date of last flight on A320
- Passport

[JotaJota]

Anyone??? No one? :=

[Airbus320Asia]

dear friend i have also applied for the same .i will be in china next month .i want to know about altp exam in china . i understand it is very difficult to pass these exams .

[T-6]

With who did you apply?

[Airbus320Asia]

direct personnel .

[JotaJota]

dear friend i have also applied for the same .i will be in china next month .i want to know about altp exam in china . i understand it is very difficult to pass these exams .

Yes it is... Download the study guide supplied by DP and study, study, study!!! I should be there next month also for an interview... Will see you there!

[stezam65]

I saw only now your post.
If you see WASINC as contractor you can have another contract terms.
Can you tell me any info of your experience over there, please?
Ciao
Stef

[JotaJota]

Stef, please be more specific. I do not understand what you are asking....

[stezam65]

Ciao.
It was just to tell you that you can also have the 30 days leaves per year & 8 days off per month instead of 6 weeks on-2 weeks off.
See the below links.

World Aviation Systems Inc (http://www.wasinc.aero/jobs/ViewJob.aspx?id=26)

30 day of paid personal leave per year
8 Hard Days off/month


I would like to know how big is the material to study and when your interview has been done if you can give us a report.

Thanks in advance.
Stef

[JotaJota]

Thanks I had that info. My interview has been cancelled twice this month and expecting to int there next month.

Also I "heard" that out of 7 expats that int this week, 5 did not make it. Study material could be lengthy but in a few weeks it can be done. Your recruiter will supply you with most of it.

Good luck and will post once I interview, if I ever do...

JJ

[stezam65]

Good luck to You, too!

I am trying to apply with rishworthaviation the 320 DEC in Asiana.
Do You have any info regarding Asiana(interview, job, country)?
There are not a lot of info in this forum.
Any suggestions very appreciated!

Thks
Stef

[JotaJota]

Stef, sorry but nothing on Asiana.

Any other leads? Any other info anyone?

[JCIIVMB]

Beings us pilots never run into each other in the airport any more, can someone that is currently flying for Beijing Capital please PM me. I am currently a captain on the A320 with another airline in china and would like to change airlines.

I know about the release letter but am more interested in actual take home pay, do you actually get the 2 weeks off after your 6 weeks on, ability to get overtime, will they allow you to choose Guangzhou as a base, has anyone switched to BC from another Chinese carrier and any other information that you may have.

Thank you in advance.

[PROBEUSMC]

Take home pay is as advertised, although I don't believe anyone has received the end of contract bonus as of yet. A couple of the original pilots here just finished their initial contract. Hopefully they will be getting the bonus soon.
BCA expects you to fly 80 hrs per month, every month. To that end, and the fact that they do calender months and not "30 day windows", they want you to take your vacation over the end of a month. So instead of 6/2, it is 45 days/15 days. Same Same.
BCA and Spring are both "sniping" Chinese pilots from other Chinese carriers. I have flown with half a dozen. Rumor has it that a couple of expats are coming from Spring, but I cannot confirm that yet.
I have been on line for just over a month and that is all the factual info that I have.

[JCIIVMB]

Thanks for the reply.

Is anyone getting a fuel or safety bonus? If I wanted Guangzhou as a base, what are my chances? In those 45 days, how much time off in between schedules...how much rest time (2-3 days?).

Thanks

[WellFrackMe]

Even if you are told you will and DO get a letter all official like Mate, unless later the CAAC is advised internally by them in written form and this is done deeply "Under the radar", in Chinese (you will never see a copy) - no chance to move. So you could and will most likely end up with nothing.

[PROBEUSMC]

JCIIVMB:
There is no fuel saving bonus, at least on my contract. There is an annual bonus that is safety related I believe. I think they have been paying that, but I haven't asked.

I am based in Guangzhou, but I cannot answer if it is available at the moment. Here is the situation about flying, to the best of my knowledge.

Capitol is a small part of Hainan Airlines, and everything we do, we do in concert with Hainan. Sometimes we even fly with a Hainan callsign, or Lucky Air, another Hainan subsidiary. Capitol has big growth plans, which if they pan out, will mean new opportunities for flying at every base. If I told you what we do right now in CAN, by the time you got here, it will have changed, maybe several times over. So I don't think it is too important to be concerned about the current schedules, as they won't exist by the time you get here.

But, FWIW, expats in CAN now do only a couple of trips normally. A one day turn to Chongqing, leaving at 725 and arriving about 1300. 4.5-5 hours of pay. A 2 day trip to Kunming, departing 0735, arriving back to CAN about midnight the next day. 9.5-10 hours of pay. They just added a third day to that trip, with 4 legs that pays 8 hours in the middle. 18 hour 3 day trip. I hope that one becomes the norm. Do one of those a week, plus 1 Chongqing every other week, and you would have your 80 hours.

The one gotcha about CAN is the airport is a long way from the city. 35 km and a 105 rmb taxi ride. The taxi drivers here are Satanic. I just got my drivers license and will buy a small car soon. I don't think I would want to be based here without a car. Just my opinion.

I like Guangzhou. Again, my opinion only.

[JCIIVMB]

PROBEUSMC,

Thanks for the reply. I agree with you that the airport is too far from the city. I've flown in there many times. I do have a car and if hired there, will commute from Shenzhen as I do not want to move. So, looking at the high speed train to and fro with my car in-between. At least that is my current plan.

Where do most of the expats have crash-pads or apartments? I take it that they do not pick you up in a van and bring you to work..?

Thanks for the info; it all helps.

[PROBEUSMC]

There are only 3 of us, and we all have apartments in the city. FWIW Capitol has plans to move operations to the north part of GZ, in the old airport. But, TIC (This Is China). That was supposed to have happened last year. It might happen this year, next, or never. Right now almost all the local crews live in Huadu, close to the airport. They probably don't want to drive to GZ every day, only to be driven back to the airport by van. No one has any idea what is really going to happen. TIC.
If you are working for brand X down in Shenzhen, you might want to contact Capitol about coming here, as well as a contract agency (I strongly recommend PARC). Capitol might help facilitate your license transfer. They seem to have connections..............
Tell them I sent you, we get a bonus for recruiting other expats! I can put you in contact with the staff that recruits expats.

[PROBEUSMC]

As far as crashpads, None required. The company provides a hotel room before and after a trip. Local crews and expats. The hotel is the origination point for the crew bus. You can park your car at the hotel for free.

[Intruder One]

I noticed you mention most are living in Huadu, that would seem a good idea.

Do you have any information on that city,it claims to be the flower of China on websites.

Living conditions,air quality,transportation,nightlife,cost of housing etc.........

Thanks

[PROBEUSMC]

Rent is very cheap with lots of apartments and villas at 1/3 the cost of Guangzhou. No nightlife to speak of unless you are Chinese. No english spoken anywhere, which includes medical facilities. While it is geographically close to the airport, the drive is 4 times longer than it should be. It only takes me 5-10 minutes longer to get to work from GZ than it does from the Huadu crew hotel.

3 of us have each looked at it independently, and each of us chose to live in GZ. Your opinion may differ.

[JCIIVMB]

Thanks for all the good information. Looks like BCA is where I'm going to try and go.

Is anyone Based in Beijing?

[PROBEUSMC]

At least 3 guys are based in Beijing. Probably more now. I think Beijing is where they are expanding the most right now. 6 or 7 are now based in Sanya. No expats that i know of are based in Xian yet, but it is an option. Could become necessary at some point.

[JCIIVMB]

Last question for now. Do you get paid on time?

Thanks for all the help as this forum really helps.

[JotaJota]

Always!!! Never late!

[Intruder One]

PROBEUSMC thanks for the info on Huadu.

What has been your average flight hours per month so far at BCA?I know some of these carriers will work you till you drop.

Also, how many days do you generally get off a week?

[JotaJota]

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[JCIIVMB]

Hey guys (or gals), thanks for all the good information about BCA. Looks like I'll be headed to Beijing to interview.

Anyone commuting from Thailand to Guangzhou?

[PROBEUSMC]

ill definitely defer to JotaJota's scheduling answer as I have only been online for <2 months. CAN to Thailand is easy. I go there a lot. Thai Airways and China Southern are both Star Alliance (orbitz.com). You can fly to Bangkok and get a good connection (usually under 2 hours) to anywhere in Thailand. The company reimburses 10k per year in travel expenses. The company travel, including Hainan Airlines, is not very useful for the pilots I know. You can jumpseat unlimited on Hainan and Capitol, but again it is only domestic and not a lot of frequency.
Depending on where you want to go, you can also take a bus to the HK airport. More flights at half the price of GZ.

[Intruder One]

Good info guys.........thanks