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Dan D'air
15th Sep 2008, 11:11
I'm in the lucky position of having paid off my mortgage and as I only spend about 5-6 days a month in the UK, I'm thinking about a liveaboard on a boat. The question is, does anyone know the make/marque of the vessel in the aforementioned film? Have googled and searched until I'm blue, but can't find the answer. Perhaps Mr. Draper would know or be able to help out.................

15th Sep 2008, 11:28
19 & 20th Century Sailing Ships (http://website.lineone.net/~dee.ord/19%20&%2020th%20Centurys.htm)

Plenty to go on.

Say again s l o w l y
15th Sep 2008, 11:33
Living on a yacht.......

A friend of mine tried that. He sold his company for an absolute packet and thought "stuff this I'm buying a big f'off yacht to live on."

He got a monstrous great thing. 60+ feet of brand new Oyster. 2 years later his other half threatened to leave unless they were back on dry land.

Cold and damp in the winter, hot and uncomfortable in the summer.

He's still got it, but it's been relegated to a weekend toy. A frighteningly expensive one at that.

I've got the book somewhere. I'll dig it out and see if they mention the type, but in those days most yachts were individually designed for their owners, not stamped out of a mould as they are today.

15th Sep 2008, 11:34
Yacht 'Dulcibella' was a converted lifeboat.

More here:

Dulcibella (http://www.yalumba.co.uk/Framesets/Dulcibella.htm)

15th Sep 2008, 11:38
Don't know about the film, but with respect to the book:

Reading Childers' original logs, it's clear that Riddle of the Sands is based closely on his 1897 Baltic cruise in Vixen, a 30 ft converted ship’s lifeboat.

Beatriz Fontana
15th Sep 2008, 11:38
According to the good people at the National Maritime Museum:

"Reading Childers' original logs, it's clear that Riddle of the Sands is based closely on his 1897 Baltic cruise in Vixen, a 30 ft converted ship’s lifeboat."

The log books are available to read at the museum (http://www.nmm.ac.uk/explore/sea-and-ships/in-depth/erskine-childers/)...

I fear the actual vessel used in the film was a bit of a mock-up.

15th Sep 2008, 11:50
The "Dulcibella" in the Riddle of the Sands film was an ex-RNLI lifeboat as was Childers' actual "Vixen" on which she was based - she was a very accurate reconstruction of Childers' own boat, just like this (http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_display_photo.jsp?slim=quick&boat_id=1253424&boatname=42'+Gaff+Cutter+-+Lifebo%20at+Lifeboat&photo_name=null&photo=1&url=).

The vixen was finally broken up in 1948 (http://www.yalumba.co.uk/Framesets/Dulcibella.htm), within living memory, so Laurent Giles and Partners were able to re-create her accurately for the film. It is, apparently, known as a Yawl Rigged Yacht (http://website.lineone.net/~dee.ord/19%20&%2020th%20Centurys.htm).

You can get a Gaff Cutter look-alike here (http://www.templemarine.co.uk/listings/CornishCrabberHighPeakGaffcutter.php).

Dan D'air
15th Sep 2008, 12:55
OK just to clarify, I already have a Moody 471, it's just that she isn't large enough to be a liveaboard. I was thinking of something like a Ta Chiao or similar..............

15th Sep 2008, 14:34
How about a decommissioned offshore oilrig that would be something else! plop it somewhere nice and sunny offshore and declare yourself an independent state! Use the Moody471 as a liberty boat or invest in some rotary wings:)

I once sailed aboard the Grand Turk, under sail she was a magnificent ship.

15th Sep 2008, 14:42
Moody 471 not large enough? Its over half as long as the lifeboat in the original. In internal space I would reckon it must be getting on for 2.5 times as big

Having said that I sailed around the UK in a 30footer. Comfortable, pleasant and dry are not words that we used much. But we were racing so that was OK.

15th Sep 2008, 14:47
What you want is a converted Thames barge.... (http://www.boatshop24.co.uk/c2JEYXAwMX5tamxzMDE=-90ft_Thames_Barge_Sailing_Barge_Houseboat_liveaboard_charter _vessel_Office.html#top) :}:}

tony draper
15th Sep 2008, 14:50
I remember the movie,cany say I ever read the book,interestingly we hanged Erskine Childers for his part in some Irish plot during the troubles.
I would buy a wee coaster wi a good honest Doxford engine,sails is for young men.

15th Sep 2008, 14:50
Get an old Motor Torpedo Boat and convert that.

Has the added bonus of get-you-there-fast when you want to move. Fuel consumption might be an issue though.

15th Sep 2008, 15:10
Moody too small! :eek:

I lived a year on a Connie 32.:ok:

15th Sep 2008, 15:19
Cool Amphibious Manufacturers Ie (http://www.terrawind.com/terrawind.htm)

15th Sep 2008, 16:03
Some tasty stuff here Dan.

I stayed with a a friend who lived on a houseboat on the Grand union canal. As said in a previous post, bloody cold and damp in winter. He was from the Welsh valleys so no hardship for him. No place for a soft southerner, like me, though.

The Truth About ... Houseboats - Find a Property (http://www.findaproperty.com/displaystory.aspx?edid=00&salerent=0&storyid=7749)

Loose rivets
15th Sep 2008, 17:24
We had a think about my pals boat. He'd done his yachtmasters etc, and purchased a sea going thing that cost about the price of a bungalow. We had grown up playing on the Walton backwaters, so everything about the Essex coast line was very familiar.

However, (there's always a however, in this life.) The weather, available crew, more weather, servicing, anti fouling, falling off it etc etc, limited the number of times that he could use it. What was the real financial gain?


Living on it? Yeh, right. If you want to live in a two dimensional world. Pay silly money for electricity. Be herded together like sardines at mucho costo per month...and above all for me, it was the @#$$%&& BA$TARDS that would let their strings slap against their masts. Ding ding ding Dung Dung Tinkle tinkle Day and night. The Bells the Bells...let me outta here.

15th Sep 2008, 18:17
Buy a flat with aircon somewhere in the med, and a 25 footer for weekending or slightly longer trips. The way property's about to go, you might have change on your original idea.

Saab Dastard
15th Sep 2008, 18:33
I had some friends from university who lived on a houseboat on the Thames at Chelsea for a couple of years (1980's). Yes, it was cheap for a Chelsea address, but also cold, damp and cramped. They seemed to enjoy it well enough though (we were young, then!!).

But what finally persuaded them to leave for dry land was being holed below the waterline by a large piece of flotsam. Apparently it got jammed between the hull and the quay at high water, and as the tide went out the boat settled onto the flotsam resulting in a "puncture". Not the best start to the day.