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Captain Stable
13th Sep 2008, 17:44
With the news that a "Horror Movie" themed party was held recently in Holloway, and the subsequent outrage, added to the increasing despair people feel that neither jail nor the threat of it is working as a deterrent to crime, and also rising prison population in the UK, I feel it is time for a radical rethink.

I would be quite happy for a prison building programme, to include various items of policy.

Prisoners, on initial admission, get a bare cell, with no adornment, TV, access to phones, etc. All prisoners are expected to work on something productive and useful to the general population at large.

Mixing with others, access to a TV or, later, TV in their cell, academic courses and everything else is a privilege to be earned by good behaviour and hard work.

Any "unauthorised" or unprescribed use of drugs results in forfeiture of privileges. Ditto any other misbehaviour. For high-security or high-risk prisoners, visits are only via a glass screen with "telephone" conversation with the visitor. This to cut down on illegal substances, mobile phones, etc. being handed over.

No pills to be issued by prison pharmacies - all drugs to be taken orally in liquid form or injected by doctors or nurses.

Rape or other serious sexual offences to be punished, on second conviction, by chemical or sugical castration (to protect against likelihood of erroneous first conviction in some cases).

Rewards for passing courses or exceptionally good behaviour to be in the4 form of increased privileges, NOT in a party for other inmates.

Comments/additions/objections?

radeng
13th Sep 2008, 18:11
>No pills to be issued by prison pharmacies - all drugs to be taken orally in liquid form or injected by doctors or nurses.<

Not practical. Not all drugs are available in liquid form, and the cost of production of a small quantity is prohibitive.

Incidentally, what do they do with diabetics needing regular insulin injections? Do they attend hospital wing 3 times a day or what? How do they handle the situation then when there's lock down?

charliegolf
13th Sep 2008, 18:19
Do they attend hospital wing 3 times a day or what?

Are they busy then?

CG

con-pilot
13th Sep 2008, 18:56
With the news that a "Horror Movie" themed party was held recently in Holloway, and the subsequent outrage, added to the increasing despair people feel that neither jail nor the threat of it is working as a deterrent to crime, and also rising prison population in the UK, I feel it is time for a radical rethink.

I would be quite happy for a prison building programme, to include various items of policy.

Prisoners, on initial admission, get a bare cell, with no adornment, TV, access to phones, etc. All prisoners are expected to work on something productive and useful to the general population at large.

Mixing with others, access to a TV or, later, TV in their cell, academic courses and everything else is a privilege to be earned by good behaviour and hard work.

Any "unauthorised" or unprescribed use of drugs results in forfeiture of privileges. Ditto any other misbehaviour. For high-security or high-risk prisoners, visits are only via a glass screen with "telephone" conversation with the visitor. This to cut down on illegal substances, mobile phones, etc. being handed over.

No pills to be issued by prison pharmacies - all drugs to be taken orally in liquid form or injected by doctors or nurses.

Rape or other serious sexual offences to be punished, on second conviction, by chemical or sugical castration (to protect against likelihood of erroneous first conviction in some cases).

Rewards for passing courses or exceptionally good behaviour to be in the4 form of increased privileges, NOT in a party for other inmates.

Comments/additions/objections?

You mean like Sheriff Joe? :ok:

Maricopa County Sheriff's Office (http://www.mcso.org/)

BlooMoo
13th Sep 2008, 20:25
Prisoners, on initial admission, get a bare cell, with no adornment, TV, access to phones, etc. All prisoners are expected to work on something productive and useful to the general population at large.
Sounds generous - I'd prefer them to break rocks for awhile and can 'earn' the possibility of being given more productive work.

Mixing with others, access to a TV or, later, TV in their cell, academic courses and everything else is a privilege to be earned by good behaviour and hard work.
The reward for 'good behaviour' is that the tenor of their sentence stays at what the judge passed - otherwise it gets extended - this means no early release, EVER. Access to anything else is available to them at the end of their sentence - if they value those extras then they have a clear incentive to behave and without such distractions they therefore have plenty of opportunity to think and reflect.

Any "unauthorised" or unprescribed use of drugs results in forfeiture of privileges. Ditto any other misbehaviour. For high-security or high-risk prisoners, visits are only via a glass screen with "telephone" conversation with the visitor. This to cut down on illegal substances, mobile phones, etc. being handed over.
See above

No pills to be issued by prison pharmacies - all drugs to be taken orally in liquid form or injected by doctors or nurses.

Apart from food and water anything a prisoner consumes is administered.

Rape or other serious sexual offences to be punished, on second conviction, by chemical or sugical castration (to protect against likelihood of erroneous first conviction in some cases).
Seems steep. If they're given life (i.e. till they die) - under above - then they're no longer a threat to the law-abiding public. If the continued existence of their testicles in direct proximity to their brain-stem causes mental anguish for a prolonged period (probably decades) then that is unfortunate. If they happen to be innocent then when they get released they're still in one piece with a big cheque and book deal to boot.

Rewards for passing courses or exceptionally good behaviour to be in the4 form of increased privileges, NOT in a party for other inmates.
See above

My view is that prison is about taking the prisoners out of society to protect the public and equally PUNISHMENT. The tenor of the sentence being a realistic measure of how long the felon needs to be withdrawn from society (public protection) and the level of punishment likely to be effective (deterrence)

Keep it simple. If the punishment is perceived to be sufficiently punishing, then it has remarkable efficacy in terms of rehabilitation.

Of course, another aspect is the felon's prior perception of the probability of being caught and sentenced in the 1st place but in my opinion keeping things simple requires this to be considered as an independent issue...