The trouble with V Australia...

[cauldron]

is the crappy [low cost] management they have.

Found this on a VB pilot blog the other day (author unknown). Nothing appears to have been done about it (despite formal complaints to a Lead Ostrich) so I thought it prudent to make the VA Management Philosophy Towards Pilots more widely known......

"....just for those tempted to go and work for V here is a look at who you will be dealing with. About 3 weeks ago the V HR manager stood up in front of a classroom of new employees, new Development Managers and new cabin crew instructors, and told her captive audience how much she loved people and their individual qualities yadda yadda yadda... she didn't waste to much time in proclaiming that V prefered to not to deal with unions in their workplace. They felt that it made for a better relationship to deal directly with their employees instead of having to go through a third party for every exchange. Eventually within the context of this particular rant her eyes rolled and she declared to all the new staff that "pilots.... well lets just say that pilots live a world of their own." The message was that pilots, in her not even remotely humble opinion, thought they were special and above all other employees. There were three further subtle, less overt remarks made during the drab presentation which also undermined the pilots in the company and set a foul tone towards the pilot group with these new employees ....."

Could this be the norm for Management behaviour at VA?

Do VA Managers have to abide by fair workplace policies? Judging by the comments of this particular manager, it looks as though they are exempt.

Aren't HR supposed to embody the 'culture' of a company? Scary stuff if this one does.

Aren't HR Managers supposed to be advocates of the employer AND the employee? Maybe VA HR is exempt from this particular traditional role.

What did the VA Flight Ops Manager have to say about this? Or was he/she the Lead Ostrich mentioned above?

Sounds to me like a good place to avoid.

[SIDS N STARS]

Sounds to me like a good place to avoid

Here endeth the lesson !!

[Mat Finish]

Michael O'Leary has been waiting years to meet a woman like this! Think of the offspring...

Mat Finish
..never a shiny moment :suspect:

[wirgin blew]

Usual stuff from management trying to scare people off the FAAA so they can "bully" and "harass" CC who have no idea what they are getting into with V's poor conditions.

CC $39k, Cabin Leader $48k and Flight Manager $58k no extras other than overnight allowances.

Hardly worth the money and when they start turning the staff over they will realise that perhaps they should have offered more to start with and saved money on the training side of things.

[Ralph the Bong]

If a complaint about this has been raised, you would never know. A lot goes on behind closed doors and if the HR person has been spoken to, it would be a secret.

In a past company, a CC trainer worded up a bunch of new FAs that a
certain captain (who was named) was a "sleaze bag" and should be reported if he harrassed anybody. She lost her training position within days. Lucky for her she didn't face a lawsuit.

Cauldron, HR does not represent an employee. HR ALWAYS represents the EMPLOYER. This is why we have unions. If you are working in Australia, you are mad if you are not the member of a union.

Reading between the lines on this, it would seem that the conditions on offer have kept a lot of drivers away and they are having trouble finding people. I have heard that a number of pilots have said at the interview stage or when presented with the contract that the conditions are not acceptable. Could this be the context of "world of their own"?

[KRUSTY 34]

Quote:

"I have heard that a number of pilots have said at the interview stage or when presented with the contract that the conditions are acceptable. Could this be the context of "world of their own"?"

Acceptable, or not acceptable Ralph?

[neville_nobody]

Rumour has it that they are recruiting mostly foreigners from third world countries and South Africa or New Zealand. I guess for these folks any conditions would be acceptable if it means getting out.

[inandout]

That rumour is not correct, most are Australians.

[Betsy]

Their real problem, as quoted from someone in the revenue department, is that the load factors for the initial flights are only around 20%.

[Maisk Rotum]

Got an email a few weeks ago saying they have successfully recruited all the pilots they need for the first three aircraft. Five days later another email invited me to reapply!!!

Left hand not talking to the right?

[aviatorguy]

I think you'll find that a few of the pilots given the nod, and even course dates, decided to wait it out a bit longer due to the fuel price and potential downturn in the industry.

[another superlame]

At the end of the day V Oz is letting potential employees know all the in and outs of the job before they sign on the line.
They can make an informed decision knowing the salary on offer and whether or not they are happy with it.

It might not be the highest paying airline obviously, but at the same time no one has a gun to their head making them take the job.

So if people are joining knowing the pay scale good luck to them. If you were offered the position and knocked it back due to the pay scale then deal with it and go and find yourself another job, I am sick and tired of your whinging.

[Launchpad McQuack]

go and find yourself another job, I am sick and tired of your whinging


Who was whinging?? The only mention of below-average payscales relates to Cabin Crew...most comments here are observations and statements - and the crux of the thread is based on VA's decidedly average corporate culture and attitude towards tech-crew, not payscales.

The only whinging in this thread appears to be coming from you superlame, and you're certainly not being forced to read these/any posts.................................

[lordofthewings]

Doesnt matter where you go, HR people( not going to give them a manager title) are generally the same, liars, mistrustful and to top it off, wankers

[B043]

From what I hear VA is progressing well and many pilots are now wanting to get a start, with what sounds like an airline with alot of potential.

[Wiley]

VA HR Dept working a bit late tonight??

[Miles to go]

Sounds all very unprofessional to me. Maybe its a Queensland thing.

[Eclan]

The message was that pilots, in her not even remotely humble opinion, thought they were special and above all other employees VA pilots will receive a percentage bonus each year which other employees do not receive. Obviously someone else must agree with this silly, gobby and poorly-disciplined HR amateur about pilots being in a different category (at least for pay purposes). Got an email a few weeks ago saying they have successfully recruited all the pilots they need for the first three aircraft. Five days later another email invited me to reapply!!! All in all when viewed from the larger airline community, it seems the V recruitment process, insofar as pilots are concerned, has been an utter shambles. That experience "requirements" have been repeatedly lowered and repeatedly failed to be achieved is only one of many, many disorganised aspects of the circus show. It'd be interesting to know to what extent this HR chick has contributed to that shambles. Doesnt matter where you go, HR people( not going to give them a manager title) are generally the same, liars, mistrustful and to top it off, wankers "Human Resources" is a parasite "industry" which the corporate world has been convinced is a requirement. HR require conflict in order to sustain the requirement for their existence. HR "management" skills can be taught at a TAFE level and in many employment sectors, it often takes very little knowledge, skill or training to become an "HR guru." In the modern aviation industry, there is no shortage of "HR gurus" who despite never having set foot in aviation previously, are able to become sudden experts in the field. They're also commonly known as "spivs". From what I've heard of her, this bimboistic airhead is one of them and not a particularly clever one at that. From what I hear VA is progressing well and many pilots are now wanting to get a start, with what sounds like an airline with alot of potential. Nice spin. And don't the management wish it were true... From what I've seen and hard so far, it's been something of an amateurish picture that's been presented of the whole V start-up. This woman's lack of common sense and corporate nouse and overall cluelessness merely serves to uphold a very poor picture. At the end of the day V Oz is letting potential employees know all the in and outs of the job before they sign on the line. Far from it. The contract leaves very much to the imagination. Having been around, most pilots will imagine the worst. Feel like working on your annual leave just because they told you to.... maybe Christmas Day when someone else is "sick"? They can make an informed decision knowing the salary on offer and whether or not they are happy with it .......So if people are joining knowing the pay scale good luck to them. A sadly naive, ignorant and uninformed view and, which is possibly worse, of obviously questionable motive as well. You'd do well to keep in mind that salary is not everything. If the contract had been more than a couple of pages long, then perhaps an informed decision could be made. As it stands, there is more that isn't mentioned in the contract than the contract is likely to go down in Australian aviation history as one of the most ludicrous and amateurish works of comedic literature ever foisted upon a professional pilot body.

[flamingmoe]

Remuneration.....$114,000, 1000hrs per year, 9 days off.

Contract then goes on to the subject of duty extensions, working days off, and yes, even on annual leave as a REQUIREMENT, to recover schedule disruptions or illness, thats right, you won't have a choice. But hey, at least you'll make some extra coin for your trouble right?? WRONG....

"all of these things have been considered in calculation of your base salary".

:yuk:

[neville_nobody]

That rumour is not correct, most are Australians.

Australians or people who can work in Australia? Bit of a difference.

[QFcaptain]

See everybody wants to fake and pretend but me im tired of going in and outta the pen.I'm done with disobeyin the managers. One false move and ill be back in the yard.If i had a choice i wouldn't do it again(leaving QF).
QFcaptain is now on top of the Airline game like a hair wig.I've been down like niagra but came right back up like viagra.With all the money from the sandpit, I buy diamond carrots on the dialy basis, not the ones bugs bunny snacking on.The Breitling watch on my wrist has a clock,wait...watch.......................................... ..........................see I get better with time like a watch.

Point is.Don't go to VA.

[The Professor]

"Australians or people who can work in Australia? Bit of a difference."

Actually, when it comes to employment, there is no difference.

Eclan, who exactly do you work for? Does your company process and select applicants. Does your company pay a bonus to staff, or overtime, or expenses. Do your salary levels reflect different aircraft types such as narrow body, widebody. Short haul or long haul. Does your company formulate retirement plans for employees, manage staffing levels to ensure the operation continues as planned. Do compensation and benefits get modified according to market conditions.

Who do you think does all of this.

[wirgin blew]

Slightly changing tack here but what's the story with the Boeing workers going on strike. How much will this affect V's rollout of the 777. The first one is painted so it looks like it will be here sooner rather than later but what about the rest of them on the production line.

:confused:

[boofta]

Its a one month strike, so thats how long the delay will be at least.

[RYAN TCAD]

Or try $47,775 - $53,500 / 1000 hours per year / 9 days off!

Eclan - VA pilots have the "POTENTIAL" to earn a percentage bonus each year. Big difference to WILL RECEIVE a percentage bonus.

They've invited me for an interview - and they want me to pay to get to Brisbane and make myself available for them from 8am-6pm for their convenience - as they don't have a fixed schedule of the interview process!

What sort of FC.KED up mindset would even entertain those jokers? They are in the same sleaze league as car salesmen and real estate agents - and fair game.

[Hoofharted]

What sort of FC.KED up mindset would even entertain those jokers? They are in the same sleaze league as car salesmen and real estate agents - and fair game.

Never a truer word spoken. However, regardless of how many times shonky deals are exposed and reported on t.v, radio, in the paper or by word of mouth......................some d1ldo/d1ldoes always fall for it. :ugh:

[Flying Monk]

:ooh:Painted yes, but apparently it will have to operate in the inverted position in order for the Southern Cross to be the right way up!

[ACMS]

Wirgin Blew: The strike is stopping work on those A/C still running down the production line. The A/C that are out on the delivery line will still get finished by non-union staff but with a delay of maybe 1 or 2 weeks depending on how good a customer you are.

CX is in the same boat, 1 of our A/C is sitting on the production line and not going anywhere while the other is being delivered but 2 weeks late.

Hope that helps.:ok:

[RYAN TCAD]

Yeh, look if i wanted to work for a charity given those wages, there are far more worthwhile charities outside of aviation that i would work for!

But hey, i live in Sydney and have a mortgage to service.

Bo!

[farrari]

The Southern cross is the right way up, the starboard side of aircraft is the same as Australian flag when union jack is to the left. :eek:

[neville_nobody]

Actually, when it comes to employment, there is no difference

Well no the point is that its a one way street. If I go to Air Pacific, Air NZ, South African, Air new guinea, I have no chance because I am Australian and the jobs go to the locals. Yet these same people want to come here and accept low salaries and take jobs away from Australian Pilots. If it was a true open market and Australians could work for other carriers that's fine, however it's a one way street. I can't go to Fiji and get 737 experience, yet those pilots come here and drive down our salaries.

[YoDawg]

undermined the pilots in the company and set a foul tone towards the pilot group with these new employees

So has this HR woman had her arse kicked or no one particularly gives a rat's....?

[Biggles747]

So has this HR woman had her arse kicked or no one particularly gives a rat's....?

I think you will find this is the new VB Group policy. There is the same attitude at PB:ugh:

[waren9]

Dear Neville Nobody

Where does it say AirNZ doesnt employ aussies? Put your name in and you'll get an interview just like everybody else.

Australians have the right to live and work in NZ just the same as Kiwis can come to Oz and do all the work in the mines

As for foreigners coming and undermining conditions here, get real. What %age of Virgin/Jetstar/Tiger pilots are from overseas? And dont count the Aussies coming home from overseas either.

At least Freedom Air paid its pilots on a par with mainline Air NZ.

[Maisk Rotum]

Gimme a break!! Freedom paid the same as ANZ!!!!! Read some history books boy. Only reason that happened is because the boffins in head office realised that by gradually integrating Freedom into mainline they could thwart any pay advancements for the mainline boys for years and years. Guess what? ANZ and Freedom dudes get the same now- and it ain't that great.

[Wiley]

Where does it say AirNZ doesnt employ aussies? Put your name in and you'll get an interview just like everybody else.Can't speak of today, but I can attest that it twern't that way back in my day...

The pre-89 AN had an extraordinary number of Kiwis in its pilot numbers - someone once told me it was over 20%. (I'm sure someone will set me straight and tell me that wasn't so.) But back then, when a mainline job meant was something to aspire to, if you didn't carry a Kiwi passport, you didn't even get an interview with ANZ.

[dirty deeds]

Anyone who goes to VA will get shafted. Just ask any long term PB/VB pilot what its like to work at a V company. If you even half what you hear your still going to get shafted. Its all run by the same bloke who runs the same HR engine room. Simple. If you don't like the pay, don't join blah blah blah, but please dont come complaining in a couple of years when your bonus has not been paid, or why you are provided meals at the hotel and cannot afford to hire a car to see the sights in XYZ, or why your leave was cancelled or why you are now rostered to conduct JEPP amendents, or why your upgrade is suspended because a foreign worker is taking a DEC position provided by his mates! You better have a thick hide to work there!

This circus is going to be fun to watch. "Roooooooooooll up, rooooooooll up!" All I hope is that VAUS is not going to be the straw that broke the camels back!

This is going to be fun to watch.

[waren9]

Its all getting a bit off topic now, but...

The pay is what it is because the airline survives on an entire population less than Victoria. It is still pretty good considering income tax paid and as a multiple of the national average wage it is better paid than any airline in Australia perhaps bar 1. Furthermore, they sure dont have to live in a sh*& hole to get it which sounds like what you've been doing. Apart from the last negotiating round when mainline A320 boys were threatened with section 7 (your tone suggests you already know what this bit is), the freedom contract has had very little effect at all on mainline (pilot) pay. Unfortunately the same cant be said for some other groups. F/A's in particular.

Unless you've worked there Maisk and know whats up, your opinion holds little value for me.

[Jabawocky]

Delays may be more than a month..... word is the shortest of these strikes in the past was 24 days. This one is predicted by some factory managers to go past 30 into the unknown:eek:

Not good news for VA.

Not good news for many companies around the USA and the world. The flow on effects of this kind of industrial sabotage is far and wide. Just like a little industrial disturbance in a small out of the way backwater about 19 years and 1 month ago:E. The ripples were felt a long way away and for a long time.

J

[neville_nobody]

s for foreigners coming and undermining conditions here, get real. What %age of Virgin/Jetstar/Tiger pilots are from overseas?

Bugger all I would suggest.

My point still stands about it not being a two way street. An Auzzie guys get a license, it costs a fortune, goes out does GA or whatever, gets enough for V Australia, only to be undercut by someone from a third world country with jet time, who paid bugger all if anything for a license not to mention Jet time and the rest.

If Auzzies had access to these markets that would be fine, but we don't. We can't go over to these countries and get the same jobs as the locals. That's the point.

[maui]

Neville

I am intrigued.

Do you have hard evidence of these overseas undercutters, or is it a supposition on your part that VA's recruitment is OS biased.

M

[No Idea Either]

The Boeing strike is probably a good thing for VA. Gives them more time, which they need, allows them to blame Boeing for missing the inaugural, and probably might even earn them some money by way of penalties from Boeing. Perhaps they could spend that money on upping the salary a bit, rather than exec bonuses.

But then again, I have no idea.

[KRUSTY 34]

I think there's only one mob that have no idea mate, and it certainly isn't you!

[Jabawocky]

Somehow I think Boeing have a clause that exempts them from penalty payments for late delivery due to strikes.

A bit like building your house the contract time is extended due wet weather.

From what I am hearing close to the toolboxes on the shop floor........some are expecting a very long strike, maybe end of year:eek:.

J

[Kanga1]

Neville

Apart from a couple of Kiwi checkers I don't know of any foreign pilots recruited by V.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument. :ok:

[RYAN TCAD]

Or more to the point, the foreigners are smart enough to stay away from them!

[B772]

How many from Emirates accepted. I know of one !

[KRUSTY 34]

They'll need more than 1!

[neville_nobody]

I was of the understanding there were alot of Fijians, Kiwis and some Yarpies in the initial mix. Who knows whether they actually signed on the dotted line.

However my point wasn't necessarily directed at V specifically just the general lack of a two way street, and the undercutting of the conditions in Australia.

[Tutaewera]

Mate! Have you ever been to Fiji or Africa? Apparently not - there are always Ozzies flying there. Fiji in particular is a poor example. Both the local domestic airlines use Ozzi pilots on a regular basis and as for not being able to get B737 time there - b*llocks! Rishworths have been placing freshly rated expat kids there with AirPac for years. My only worry with hiring 3rd world guys is the standards they bring with them. Having spent years flying in such places I have seen some very poor operators in big shiny jets, simply because they are nationals. (A stale story I know but many reading will know what I mean).

As for Air NZ (My old employer), we had Ozzies flying with us when I was there! And they were interviewing guys from QF Link for their last round...

[ZQN]

Neville

Give me list of countries where there aren't any Aussies pilots and I'll give you an even bigger list of countries where there are some flying for a living. My current employer Emirates acquired a whole bunch of Aussies in '89, just when they were about to announce a large pay rise to attract more pilots. Guess what happened to the pay rise. In the past couple of years, Virgin Blue have been supplying EK with plenty of pilots so what's wrong with V Australia bringing a few home.

Imagine what would happen to pilot salaries in Australia if all the Aussie pilots returned home.

[Fubaar]

I've heard a couple of names of Australians from overseas who've been offered jobs with VA. Of course it's just one man's opinion, but they've taken on some really good guys and some really ...(If you've seen 'Momma Mia!', "...dot dot dot") guys.

(Again, just one man's opinion), but they've been particularly lucky in some of the people they've lured away from EK. However, the one common thread when you look at most of those people is that they had really pressing reasons to want to return home, (reasons I'm not going to go into here), but suffice to say, they were so pressing that they overrode money considerations.

Translation: they've accepted taking a really heavy hit in the hip pocket after deciding the other factors were more important.

[Mr Maverick]

Capt Dump might have another dunny spit! := See here. (http://www.pprune.org/d-g-reporting-points/342725-express-freighters-australia-mess.html)

[Jabawocky]

Well here is the first one up close!

http://file040b.bebo.com/6/large/2008/09/22/22/4525920200a8955157879l.jpg

http://file040b.bebo.com/6/large/2008/09/22/22/4525920200a8955157831l.jpg

http://file040b.bebo.com/6/large/2008/09/22/22/4525920200a8955157782l.jpg

J:ok:

[ACMS]

note it has wheel and engine covers fitted, doesn't look like Boeing is finishing off. It's going to be very late.

I see our's in the background of the bottom picture, due to be delivered next fri.

[Clipped]

My, my - those Qantas execs must be truly peed off with the VA livery.

A bit of a coup there, methinks.

[Jabawocky]

ACMS :ok:

I have some good news and some bad news:}

The good news is your new Trippler should be ready Friday, and I would suggest no fancy "missed approaches" this time unless planned and approved! The fun police just do not get it do they!


The bad news ...... if you have booked on V Australia for say a white Christmas in the USA or a ski trip over new year, might be time to book elsewhere or hope VA are going to charter another carrier.

As ACMS points out the aircraft is looking rather "stored" and the word is the storage is for the duration of the machinists strike, and that could be until December:eek:.

Sorry about that little heartbreaker!:{

J:ok:

[KittyBlue]

Noticed the rego is the first a/c rego VGA of virgin blue when it start with the 400's in 2000. Wondered when they were to reuse those!

[wirgin blew]

They are still waiting for the AOC but if they got that in time do VA have any spares that they could wet lease to get it all up and running? Its kinda of a long way to go in a 737.

[ACMS]

So when is V Aus going to announce to Joe public that the launch is delayed?

Because that trippler ain't go'n no where in a hurry. :sad:


Actually we are kind of worried about the 777 we have stuck half built on the production line. The machinists will try to pick up where they left off 1 to 2 months before!!!!!!!!!!!! oh what a mess................worse than a Monday morning Aircraft.

[Best Rate]

###***@@@!!!&&&^^^777 My computer telling me there's a few bitter Red-Rat drivers out there throwing in their (adverse) 3-bob coz they ain't getting their mitts on any of the revered triplers...

(Not that I'm condoning the remuneration / conditions V Aus are offering the group of "potentially - very suitable" candidates...)

You've got to admit though, that V Aus bird's gonna turn a lot of heads at the holding points downunda and abroad... :ok:

BR

[Ken Borough]

...V Aus bird's gonna turn a lot of heads at the holding points downunda and abroad...

Maybe. Perhaps. Has the livery been cheapened/sullied by what appears to be an image of part of a forgein flag??? :E:E:E

[KittyBlue]

Oh you can't be talking about the union jack as it is apart of the aussie flag? So it must be, I know the letter V !!

[ACMS]

It'll turn a lot of heads just because it's a trippler.:ok:

Geez I'm a biased old fart :)

[Reeltime]

Pretty unoriginal colour scheme.

I guess imitation is the highest form of flattery! :hmm:

[DUXNUTZ]

You'd think that granted its the first of the type for an Oz carrier they (boeing) would try get it done. I thought that not all the machinists were unionised???

Seems like a bad PR thing for boeing that you really think they would want to avoid...

Also, one of the birds in the startup was meant to be an ILFC aircraft, so that might have already made it through.. or they could have others, they are a big leasing company.

All speculation of course.

[Jabawocky]

Sorry Duxnutz, it aint going to happen!

Just to keep ACMS happy........ went on its C1 flight today! Assume it went well, all yours on the weekend apparently!

http://file041b.bebo.com/11/large/2008/09/24/11/4525920200a8966984621l.jpg

http://file041b.bebo.com/11/large/2008/09/24/11/4525920200a8966984640l.jpg

J:ok:

[farrari]

http://www.martinetics.com/images/va_first_aircraft_boeing/14.08.08_1.jpg

[farrari]

http://www.martinetics.com/images/va_first_aircraft_boeing/14.08.08_2.jpg

[ACMS]

Ahhh there she is.

thanks for posting the pikkies Jaba.

:ok:

[KRUSTY 34]

Now I see! Virtual travel.

Jump in the mock-up, enjoy the inflight service, and when it's over go back to your life.

That's one way to solve the problem of those "in their own little world pilots" the H.R. chick was talking about.

:ok:

[farrari]

I did laugh K34 , it's called the tardis ! or should I say Vardis

[Little_Red_Hat]

Must sy I'm disappointed with the livery. I was expecting something awesome and original, not a combo knockoff of QF/VS...

Maybe they still have a shed full of red and white paint at the Boeing factory :}

[abc1]

Word has it,that other than for Cruise FO's,they are scraping the barrel for crew.

[Jabawocky]

MORE BAD NEWS

The first V Oz 777 is sealed up for the duration....... and still has no galleys in it according to those on the job, or maybe this is a cost saving, BYO beer and munchies?
http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/party/party0016.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-unhappy-smileys.php) http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/party/party0051.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)


OK so here are some more for ACMS...... nice clean and new office and bunks! And someone left their radio behind.........

http://file042b.bebo.com/14/large/2008/09/25/07/4525920200a8974016428l.jpg

http://file042b.bebo.com/14/large/2008/09/25/07/4525920200a8974016413l.jpg

[halas]

So the same "torpedo tube" crew rest as EK? It's crap :mad:

Where are the EFB's?

halas

[ACMS]

That is the cabin crew rest area in the picture above and believe me thay absolutely LOVE it. In fact twice they were offered an empty first class and over half declined the offer!!

The cockpit crew rest is in the overhead above first class and we LOVE it too. 2 beds, 2 big comfy chairs, 2 big PTV's and PC power if you need it.

So i don't know what you mean.

EFB's are coming soon, but not the Jepp one.

Thanks for the pictures

[Shot Nancy]

So it comes with a hand held radio on the console as standard?
Have they improved the wander lights from the B17?
In some areas Boeing has to be dragged kicking and screaming in to the 21st century.

[ACMS]

Ahhhh jealousy is a curse you know :}


Actually the cockpit lighting is pretty poor. makes it hard to read the newspaper.:ok:

[JetX]

I noticed on the V Australia website there requirements are quite high for CR First Officer and the wages are substantially below par for such experience. Do you think they will really get people with that experience that could go to QF, VB, JQ or others alike........ :confused:

Would be interesting to know what kind of people are putting in applications....

[KRUSTY 34]

With all due respect JetX.

Where have you been?!!

[Sand dune Sam]

KRUSTY34..with all due respect either put up or shut up...not a VA employee, but reading your posts your a turboprop captain in sydney with a chip on your shoulder because you have either applied and failed or couldnt be bothered and not applied. Either apply and check the conditions out and make an assessment for yourself, or shut up and stick to flying your Saab 340.