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eticket
5th Sep 2008, 10:59
Freeview boxes destined for landfill (http://www.frequencycast.co.uk/freeviewlandfill.html)


I noticed that some of the channels on my Freeview box were blank and so I did a retune. The end result was that I ended up with no channels whatsoever. It lost the lot. For three days I have been retrying with the same result.

I mentioned this to a friend and he mentioned that some models are now incompatible with a new transmitter upgrade that has been rolled out across the country. I had a look at the above site and found my box was on the list. :ugh:

The answer is don't retune your box if it is on the list.

eticket
6th Sep 2008, 01:13
It is also affecting some Sony Televisions with Freeview built in. There is a solution from Sony giving the affected models and listing some three hour long over the air downloads. Each download is only available for a few days starting on September 8th:

http://sonycic.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/sonycic.cfg/php/enduser/popup_adp.php?p_faqid=369&p_created=1216219189 (http://sonycic.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/sonycic.cfg/php/enduser/popup_adp.php?p_faqid=369&p_created=1216219189)

(Sorry for posting another boring post but I spoke to someone earlier today who had heard about the problem but didn't realise that their Sony was affected.)

SilsoeSid
6th Sep 2008, 23:06
Rumour recently was that present DAB radios would be going the same way, all in the name of progress. :hmm:

Beatriz Fontana
6th Sep 2008, 23:09
DAB is fine for the moment (a mate of mine is working on the transmitter upgrades). Freeview is a mess. And considering the UK is going digital by 2012, we're all up the proverbial. The manufacturers of the original boxes are doing their nut, but this upgrade is UK government inspired, so there's not a lot any of them can do about it. :mad:

Gertrude the Wombat
6th Sep 2008, 23:15
we're all up the proverbial
Er, no, not all. Only those who choose to spend their lives watching telly.

Beatriz Fontana
6th Sep 2008, 23:18
Or radio, Gert... because it'll be next...

Gertrude the Wombat
6th Sep 2008, 23:37
Actually it's time I bought a new radio, my Sony Air 7 seems to have reached the end of its useful life.

But with radios these days costing around 2.99 I don't much care if I have to replace them every now and then.

Whirlygig
6th Sep 2008, 23:43
Well I'm now feeling pretty peeved :*. My old DAB radio has given up the ghost after only four years so I decided to buy a new one today. So how long will this one last? :hmm:

Cheers

Whirls

G-CPTN
6th Sep 2008, 23:51
I have an excellent, though well-worn Sony SRF-S84 http://www.parkaveelectronics.com/images/big/srfs84.jpg
I'd like a digital version (same size, similar price) that will work as well as this one (I want to be able to receive Five Live Extra).
Some hope . . .

Keef
7th Sep 2008, 00:09
this upgrade is UK government inspired
Not a collection of words I expected to see together!

iws
7th Sep 2008, 07:56
The big problem with radio will be when the Goverment decides to phase out FM in favour of DAB. DAB quality is cr&p compared to FM (because of greedy broadcasting companies), and is not nearly as available to those who live away from main population centres.

Beatriz Fontana
7th Sep 2008, 10:04
iws, MW will be first to go, not FM.

DAB is fine if you have the right radio. The problem is that we took a step backwards and had crap quality receivers in the first place. The signal isn't brilliant (it's either here or gone) and the broadcast companies insisted upon using DAB for all those useless data services, which means the signal is too busy processing other stuff than getting on with delivering high quality sound.

I love being able to listen to the BBC World Service in the office without eating up the wireless bandwidth by live streaming it. But the signal this week has been particularly shoddy. My mate reckons it's atmospherics - just like the old days listening to MW!

airship
7th Sep 2008, 12:25
I must say that I'm extremely disappointed by some of the attitudes expressed here. People have paid for these electronic devices and ought to be protected under the sale of goods act or other consumer protection laws. Just because they're quite inexpensive, customers should nevertheless expect them to function properly for a 'minimum period'. And if they need 'upgrading', then that should be at the manufacturers' cost unless it's something the customer can do simply and easily. And don't give excuses about how it's all beyond their control, it was the government etc. ! Unless I'm mistaken, decisions concerning frequencies and telecomms in general are made years in advance of any changes, allowing everyone the time to get their acts together...

So, enough of this defeatist 'I roll over onto my back, please scratch my tummy whilst you screw me' attitude!

G-CPTN will confirm whether or not this is true, but I understood that there are (or were once) rules specific to say car manufacturers. That is to say that if you wanted to sell your cars in the UK, you were obliged to guarantee a continued supply of spare parts for the model for a minimum period of 10 years after the model had ceased production, or something very similar. I suggest that equivalent rules are also introduced for other goods such as Freeview receivers - that way there might be fewer gadgets (or gadget manufacturers), they might cost 10% more but at least you wouldn't be obliged to 'bin them' after 12 months...?! :ok:

G-CPTN
7th Sep 2008, 12:39
'Twas true about vehicle manufacturers having to guarantee ten years parts.
Don't know about firms that go bust, though usually some spares company moves in and secures the stock and tries to get the manufacturing tools.
It used to be said that there was more profit made from the sale of parts and accessories than from the whole vehicle.

frostbite
7th Sep 2008, 12:51
Especially if it was British Leyland.

airship
7th Sep 2008, 13:19
It used to be said that there was more profit made from the sale of parts and accessories than from the whole vehicle. If it was true 10 or 20 years ago, it is even truer today (though not for Freeview receiver manufacturers obviously...?! I know of a few manufacturers (albeit in quite a specialised part of the marine market) whose 'up front' prices have to closely-align those of their competitors. I truly believe that they are selling their 'finished products' as it were, at a financial loss. Preferring to exercise a draconian control on the distribution of after-sales services and parts as their main means of securing an overall profit.

I distinctly remember reading in the news back in the mid - late '70s of some small garage in UK having built a totally new Morris Minor 1000 entirely from parts that were still available at the time from British Leyland. I believe it cost over 4,000 or well over 4-5 times what it would have cost for a new one the last time they were officially available. Or roughly what it would have cost for 1 1/2 new 'E' types of the day - must have been a very 'special' customer who preferred a staid old Minor instead of an 'E' type...?! :eek: There is a difference you know. For example, I remember there was another rich eccentric who ordered a Porsche 928-based VW Golf from some Swiss garage. It had to look like a standard VW Golf Mk.1 of the era. And it did, except when (as they did) you build a VW Golf around a much bigger original car (all the bodywork panels were custom-made, whilst retaining all the original 928 innards) there is a significant difference in sizes once you put a standard VW Golf side by side with the VW Golf 'Q' car (after 'Q' ships in WWII I believe - ordinary looking cargo ships which were in fact heavily armed and sent out to encourage the U-boats to surface and use their deck gun instead of wasting a valuable torpedo and being in for a surprise...) I just wish I could still find the photos, that dates from about the mid - late '80s I think.

Freeview receivers being sold as apparently 'souped-up' satellite TV receivers that didn't require satellite dishes, all of it free from paid subscriptions...?! Sounds like someone had a whole meal and only paid for the soup course... :E:(

G-CPTN
7th Sep 2008, 13:46
Have actually done the 'build a car from parts' scenario.
Built a racing car with 'support' from a dealership (because the manufacturer was not officially in motorsport because of parent company policy).
We ran a computer parts-list and this was processed through the parts department and, in due course, a lorry-load of paper packets turned up at a remote garage. Had great fun (!) tearing open the packets (before the days of polythene bags) and then slotting the piece back together with the part number and putting it in a pile according to where it was to go.

G-CPTN
7th Sep 2008, 14:02
That Artz 928 Golf:-
http://www.vodcars.com/photos/1/658.jpghttp://germancarscene.com/wp-content/uploads/artz-5-07-07.jpg
http://www.928.org.uk/mambo/content/view/88/43/
Videos:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8LpnhTJGY0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2sy6qbPc4c

SpringHeeledJack
7th Sep 2008, 14:03
So, enough of this defeatist 'I roll over onto my back, please scratch my tummy whilst you screw me' attitude!

And herein lies the reason that these 'things' (e.g DAB/radio frequencies/freeview boxes) have/are and will happen again. The Anglo-Saxon/Scots/Irish personality is not programmed to assert itself against those things that displease the majority, although by the amount of 'social issues' prevalent in society 'we' are more than capable of being aggressively assertive, though sadly to the wrong direction and the wrong people. In this instance there should be full compensation for those who have lost service, to Freeview for business damage and to Whirls for a device that might soon be redundant.

Say what you like about the French/Spanish/Italians and even ze Germans, when their goverments (that have been democratically elected) try to implement some legislation that displeases them, they protest and generally they are listened to. We have become passive aggressive sheep it would seem. Mr Orwell's novel has become reality :(

One has by chance been reading 'The Xenophobes guide to...' various countries and it both hilarious and sad just how true they are at times.


Power to the people! (Citizen Smith) :}


Regards


SHJ

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
7th Sep 2008, 15:40
I truly believe that they are selling their 'finished products' as it were, at a financial loss.printers and toner cartridges?

airship
7th Sep 2008, 16:19
Don't get me started on HP - a company I respected immensely before personally buying one of their products with the result that there are no HP products to be found in the company I work for today nor will thre be if I have anything to do with it...?! :yuk::mad:

G-CPTN - that was it?! They made 6 of them huh - that'll probably upset the individual who thought he was buying a unique concept...?! :hmm: