View Full Version : calling all REAL football fans - show your support for Kevin Keegan

4th Sep 2008, 21:46
Hi, I have set up a group on facebook, the "GET MIKE ASHLEY AND DENNIS WISE OUT OF NEWCASTLE UNITED"
I want to get as many people to join as possible - I am a Newcastle supporter and am disgusted at the way my club is being ruined!!

Its not just Newcastle that are in this predicament, only yesterday Alan Curbishley experienced the same treatment at West Ham of not being able to do his job.

So I call on all REAL football fans to show your support for Keegan, not necessarilly for Newcastle United, and for football as a whole, as who knows, when we get rid of him, it could be your club he buys!! :eek:

Thanks in advance

GET MIKE ASHLEY AND DENNIS WISE OUT OF NEWCASTLE UNITED | Facebook (http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=24640968497&ref=mf)

4th Sep 2008, 22:18
Horse, bolt, stable door.:zzz:

4th Sep 2008, 22:26
well not really, just want to show our support for Keegan and not for the board!!
Its a disgrace!!

Turnip Pilot
4th Sep 2008, 22:33
Two reasons Kev took the job at St James Park.
1 Ego
2 Glasgow is near enough to St J Pk for him to attempt to sort out his failing football academy.

That's all

Howay the Toon! :ok::ok:

4th Sep 2008, 22:38
And the fact he knows the club inside out!! and the fans love him!!

4th Sep 2008, 23:10
Kevin who????

5th Sep 2008, 04:12
It made it to 19 members before he quit...................

Effluent Man
5th Sep 2008, 09:14
Anybody who does not acknowledge the reason why many club owners are involved in the game are not in full possession of all the facts. Clearly they have some interest in the game,but usually that is secondary to motives such as egotism.The genuine people are usually found in the lower divisions,my club,Norwich is a good example of this.Delia Smith has been a lifelong fan of the club.

At the other extreme we have Manchester City.The new owners obviously just want yet another arena to flash their cash.I think when owners come from Russia or Middle East countries there is an Al Fayed effect whereby they feel an insecurity that their own countries have some sort of stigma that can only be erased by buying into Western Europe or America.A bit like driving a Rolls Royce only more expensive.

5th Sep 2008, 09:59
It's just my opinion....but does King Kev really know what he is doing?????

He spend buckets of cash at Man City and got no where. The man has been on the waffle for years .....nice guy I'm sure!!

His stand on Joey Barton not a wise one........nuff said!!!

Should go into the pundit game.....has to be better than Jamie Rednapp!!

5th Sep 2008, 10:14
Ef Man has it. There are chairmen like Steve Gibson who clearly act from the interests of the club & then there's the Enics, the Glaziers & Laurel & Hardy at Liverpool who are in it for various motives, mostly financial, occasionally ego & rarely football.

The problem stems from Sky. Murdoch's ownership of premier league football in the UK has undone the game from what it was twenty years ago. The huge sums of money involved now mean that the few who have been able to manipulate that finance are streets ahead of those who haven't.

We have a situation where Tesco, Sainsbury, Asda & Morrisons occupy the top four spots & everyone else is a corner shop and the only interest now is whether Utd drop points at Blackburn, thus handing the title to Chelsea. That is not any form of a competitive league in my view and added to that, that it now costs upwards of fifty quid a time just to get in at a lot of places, it seems to me that the working man's ballet is dead as we know it.

Sorry Newcastle, but your troubles seem to me like two bald men arguing over a comb.

5th Sep 2008, 10:17
Once a quitter always a quitter. Look to the future, not the past. Keegan is a bitter little specimen.

5th Sep 2008, 10:35
Thats my whole point - look to the future... what future - the club will be in ruins before long.
This wasnt just about Keegan this was more about the board and the way they have gone about their business.
Yes Keegan has done some strange things, but he was the man to take this club forward, just through his passion.
Hes the one who took us from the brink of relegation to the then 3rd division, straight to 3rd in the Premier League in our first season.

Even the most loyal of managers could have stayed when he wasnt allowed to run things - Look at Alan Curbishley, he isnt a quitter, yet he couldnt work with the chairman buying/selling players from under him.

These people ultimately are going to be the end of football as we know it in this country.
People like Mike Ashley are ruining Clubs left right and centre

Effluent Man
5th Sep 2008, 11:23
para, Obviously like me you go back to the good old days when two quid bought you access to your square foot of concrete on the terraces.In the Championship there is still a whiff of the old days.I walked down to Carrow Road with my teenage son one winter evening last season in the company of a group of Hull City supporters.We chatted about our sides respective chances and I assured them that because I was there they were sure of a point(which they got)

I think that because we all know we are yokels from the backwaters there isn't the hatred that there would be with the top teams and while we generally don't see the polished football people like those from Hull do get the occasional chance in the limelight (Courtesy of a goal from the old warhorse Windass that is equal to any you will see in the Premiership this season)I hope they get more than one season.

5th Sep 2008, 12:06
Pattern emerging, ran away from the England job when things weren't going well..............

Make yer own minds up, suffice to say I never forgave that scumbag Revie for doing the same.

5th Sep 2008, 12:42
Keegan has run away from every job he ever had - usually in tears, crying that the big boys were bullying him.

5th Sep 2008, 13:05
I wonder if he cried on the A23!!

5th Sep 2008, 13:56
I wonder if he cried on the A23!!

ZFT that brought back a memory or 2! Cruel but funny :}

The truth is no-one outside of the Toon gives a monkeys about KK, except for die-hard fans. There are probably more 'real' fans supporting NUFC than most of the premiership clubs, who have basked in adopted worship, often from afar, as they have become more showbiz than substance these last few years.

Rather than rejoice at the avalanche of foreign money coming into the UK football business, I shed a silent tear that the heart has been slowly dissolved from the game. The Toon are trying to 'keep up with the joneskis' and want 'celebrities' (players) rather than let the manager make the stratigic and tactical decisions that he should be allowed to make to bring the team on.

I was fortunate enough (?) to get a halfway line seat at the recent England-Czech Republic game where from my good position was able to observe the proceedings. It was obvious that the England squad, despite all the obscenely paid stars on the squad, were the worse team. No cohesion, no heart, no fight, which the Czech players seemed to have in spades (and Mr Cech in goal :ok:) and the England squad were VERY fortunate to get a draw against this relative minnow.

Excuse the thread drift, but for me it really is the nub of the problem and the elephant in the living room that no-one is really (practically) addressing. Good managers and players are being stifled and/or ignored for the sake of short term titillation of the media/fickle fans etc. It's almost as if a pneumatic blond euro/brazilian bimbo (no offence ladeez!) is preferred rather than the homegrown rose that will be true and proud for the long run....

It's ALL about the money and sadly the Tyne, Mersey, Man ship canal etc will not keep those 'galacticos' that have the choice of living in much better environments for the playboy-about-town such as London, Paris, Barcelona, Madrid, Milan, Rome and so on. Perhaps if the Ashleys of the world would let KK or his ilk develop things, then there wouldn't be anymore attempts at putting exotic square pegs into grey round holes.



Trent Steel
5th Sep 2008, 14:45
Should never have got rid of Allardyce, didn't get a chance to make any impact on the club, admittedly King Kev did a decent job for the short time he was there but the guy is a joker and it was only a matter of time til he did a runner back to the circus.

Not having money for players is frustrating but where is it all supposed to come from, Ashley must be one of the main 'credit crunch' victims especially with half of this years profits lost when England missed the Euro's - people buying tacky crap from sports direct...]

Wenger (dam his eyes) seems to challenge for top 4 without spending buckets of cash, maybe other teams need to take note of this, yes having shed loads of cash is a quick route to success but is it sustainable?

Don't know all the reasons behind him leaving but feel more sorry for Curbishley than Kev... hope west ham sink without a trace.

5th Sep 2008, 15:57
I wonder if he cried on the A23!!

Glad to see someone going in to bat for him! :rolleyes:

6th Sep 2008, 07:34
West Ham were famous for only changing managers when they died or retired:p Just shows you what the game has become. Ef man, I've been a Spurs fan all my life & I used to go and watch the reserves midweek for fifty pence & the big match for four quid as a teenager. I haven't been for years now as I refuse to cough up 45 quid for mediocrity.

I have a far better day out watching Stevenage borough for a fiver. The football's rubbish, but the day out is at least a bit more like the old days.

Krystal n chips
6th Sep 2008, 08:11
And I can think of many more enjoyable ways to spend 50 than watching a :mad:football match.....such as a decent days gliding / socialising for one....and a decent night out ( albeit with a bit more expediture if required ) with a lady...as another.

Hopefully, the credit crunch will make a significant impact on football revenues...the business model after all ( players wages for a start ) being in direct contravention of most accounting principles ( mind you, so was Northern Rock I suppose ) should be ready to implode nicely in the near future..although doubtless the gullible and clinically brain dead will continue to shell out for the new strip and match tickets with money they have'nt got anyway or rather at the expense of spending it on more tangible aspects of life such as heating, food etc.

As for Keegan, who cares ? .......he's unlikely to leave in penury now is he..it's not as if he's out of a job with a weeks minimum wage as a "sod off" gesture now is it ?.

Richard Taylor
6th Sep 2008, 08:30
Should never have given up those Brut ads...:hmm:

Effluent Man
6th Sep 2008, 09:43
pp, Went to WHL a few times in the 75/6 season when I was at college in Bedford.Some good memories,also that season I went to Luton Town a good bit.Can you imagine college students going to Premiership matches now.I think WHL was 2.50 at the time.

Effluent Man
6th Sep 2008, 09:51
A little bit of history...I just looked up the results for 1975/6 and the game I remember most was Spurs v Burnley on November 29th.The reason I remember it was that after leaving the match we ran into thick fog on the A6 back to Bedford and the forty mile journey took about two hours.About 9.30 pm Graham Hill was killed when his plane crashed at Arkley about 5 miles from White Hart Lane.

6th Sep 2008, 17:04
I lovvve it I really Lovve it!
The waster who has done nothing in ANY managers job he has had has yet again found an excuse to run away from a poor record and yet the barcodes still think he's God!

A moron supported by morons....

Richard Taylor
6th Sep 2008, 19:30
Wouldn't they be better off with Morecambe & Wise? :}

6th Sep 2008, 21:27
ha ha!!
You make me laugh!
A guy who took a team from the brink of the old 3rd division, won the old 2nd division at a canter the following year. Then got his team to 3rd in the premier league in their 1st season.

Getting a seamingly mediocre team to one of the top 4 in the country at the time - no thats not achieving anything.

Your the moron, you probably dont even support football or are just one of these wind up merchants.


Richard Taylor
6th Sep 2008, 21:33
Bring me sunshine...:ok:

6th Sep 2008, 22:33
Bring me sunshine...

Bring me laughter, bring me....:}


6th Sep 2008, 23:03
If anyone was a 'Real' football fan, then they would get fans across the country together to boycott all matches for, lets say, a year in protest to the money involved.

35 million for goodness sake, just so a player can play for a particular team...etc cars etc wages etc lifestyle etc attitude etc contempt etc.

Football, just not interested any more thanks. :yuk:

12th Sep 2008, 14:13
Are you for real???? :eek:

Cloud cuckoo land me thinks - the money in football will only rise, as long as people will pay.
Football supporters (real ones that is) will pay whatever is needed to watch their team - 48 for Chelsea (away end), well thats what we paid last year - thus bringing in high levels of revenue for clubs. Take into account average shirt price for a premier league club is around 35-40 this makes even more money, not to mention sponsorships etc etc
By boycotting matches will just mean vacating a seat for someone else who couldn't get a ticket due to high demand.

nice idea though!

Trent Steel
12th Sep 2008, 14:50
Are you serious?

So you're not a REAL football fan unless you're prepared to pay anything for a ticket. Its more of a shame the REAL fans don't get to go as the high prices makes ticket unattainable.

I have a season ticket (despite this years 10% price rise) and think myself lucky that A) i could get one and B) am in a position to afford the dam thing.

The atmosphere in stadiums is slowly but surely getting worse and thats because the REAL fans are being forced out because of the prices. Football is a working class game and shold be working class prices!

I think the England fans did us proud during the Andorra match chanting 'We hate Setanta' throughout, again should REAL football fans be happy to pay 13/month to support their nation, takes the p*ss.

Richard Taylor
13th Sep 2008, 20:41
...bring me laughter...all the while...;)

14th Sep 2008, 19:13
Torygraph: Mike Ashley to sell Newcastle United

Mike Ashley, Newcastle's beleaguered owner, has confirmed that he wants to sell the club following Kevin Keegan's resignation and supporters seemingly unrepentant in the removal of the St James' Park management.

Mike Ashley has confirmed that he will sell Newcastle Photo: PA
Ashley only took charge at St James' Park outfit last summer and has endured a torrid spell at the helm in the North East. His relationship with the fans has reached breaking point in the past week following the resignation of revered manager Keegan.

Keegan quit his post after just three games of the new season, claiming that he was forced to walk at St James' Park due to the board's continued involvement in the club's transfer policy. It is believed that Ashley met Keegan today in a final bid to lure him back to Newcastle.

Ashley said he is looking for a buyer, but he warned Newcastle supporters to be patient. He said in a lengthy and impasioned statement: "I am putting the club up for sale. I hope the next owner is someone who can lavish the amount of money on the club that the fans want. You don't need to demonstrate against me again because I have got the message. Any further action will only have an adverse effect on the team. I am determinded that Newcastle United is not only here today, but that it is here tomorrow for your children who stand beside you at St James' Park."

It is understood that a Chinese businessman and a North East consortium are in the running to take over the reins, while Ashley is also keen on contacting Dubai International Capital, who have been at the forefront of a takeover at Liverpool......

14th Sep 2008, 20:21
You lot should stop whinging and be happy with what you have got, as for me, my local team is Grimsby. Anyone go lower than that ??

14th Sep 2008, 22:22
Torygraph: Mike Ashley to sell Newcastle United

Mike Ashley, Newcastle's beleaguered owner, has confirmed that he wants to sell the club following Kevin Keegan's resignation and supporters seemingly unrepentant in the removal of the St James' Park management.

He would be better flogging it on Ebay, I am sure a Toon fan would willingly spend a fiver to gain control of this 'football' club....

14th Sep 2008, 23:22
Well that proposal rallied support Juststartin !!! I was surprised Keegan was able to vacate the building with the size of his head. Please lobby the supporters to boycott attendance at Newcastle's games then when the club is in receivership the spoils would make a supherb helipad. 65K a week for a FOOTBALL PLAYER total BO**OCKS :eek::eek:

15th Sep 2008, 18:01
65K a week for a player???

wow that is cheap :)

Richard Taylor
15th Sep 2008, 18:24
OK, serious question. Is Ashley ceasing AS OF NOW to put in any more funding, or is he continuing to service the debt whilst seeking a buyer.

A discredited ex-Thai President is available....

16th Sep 2008, 12:42
One can presume he will continue to run it as normal. After all if he just pulled the plug and walked away he would have lost millions.

After reading his statement I can agree with some of it (sounds slightly hypocritical) especially the fact that he wants whats best for Newcastle.

I think he has been badly advised and severley underestimated how passionate our supporters are.

I hope a buyer can be brought in along with a new manager so we can concentrate on taking the club forward for the first time in years, and finally put this circus to bed

16th Sep 2008, 12:53
I'm mystified by Newcastle fans reluctance to criticise the "Messiah" Kevin Keegan (one of Yorkshire's least favourite sons).

In his execution of his (well paid for) professional duties he's encountered a problem. A real problem I give you. I agree the structure at NUFC was wrong. KK is correct with his criticism.

But he's baled out yet again and run away. His CV speaks for itself - when the goings good he's brilliant and he "loves it". When it gets tough he prefers to bale out rather than tough through a difficult situation (which is what the rest of us have to do in the real world).

Great leaders earn their corn by toughing it out when the going is hard not by milking blinkered goodwill of loyal supporters who see the world through rose tinted spectacles.

Keegan out. Get a manager who has the balls to do the job and fight on all fronts and not run away.

The self pity it boring - and I'm a Leeds United fan.

16th Sep 2008, 13:23
In a way i probably agree with you.

The main problem is with the information relayed through statements and the press. It took Newcastle United 2 days to release a statement saying anything regarding the Keegan situation - this could have all been sorted out within hours of it coming to light.

No one knows for sure if Keegans conditions were changed after the arrival of Wise & co - if they were then ashley and his mob are to blame, yet if Keegan knew that he wouldnt have full running of transfers when he came back, then thats Keegans fault for accepting the job in the first place.

Il be honest, when i heard Keegan was coming back, I was one of those who were sitting on the fence. I wasnt disappointed, neither was I jumpping for joy.
Then the team started performing (better), and started to show some spirit for the first time in about 3 years, so everyones happy.

To be fair and even more hypocritical, I dont care if Mr Ashley stays, providing a manager can be brought in that can do the job he is paid for, becasue all this activity is yet again making the club even more of a laughing stock.

Il be at West Ham on saturday to show my support for the team, all we need now is a manager!!! :O

16th Sep 2008, 17:27

You are going around in circles.

You seem to be a fan of Newcastle but, as so many other fans, have a massive blind spot for reality.

You ignore the huge amount of good work that Ashley has done; you ignore the reality that it will take several years of realism if Newcastle are to move forward and you all seem to have some brain damage when it comes to Keegan - see your original post.

I used to go to all the home fixtures, Firsts and reserves. I travelled to a few away games when finances and time allowed. I stopped going years and years ago.

The facts:

Newcastle are NOT a BIG club; a large fan base , yes; a big club - no.

If Ashley had not bought the club, written off a large part of the accumulated debt amassed by the previous knuckle heads of Shephaerd and Hall (D) it is likely that the club would have imploded under their debt mountain.

Ashley has tried to put the club on a sustainable basis. It is interesting in his statement of putting the club on the market that he mentions Arsenal and Wenger as models to follow; not the Chelsea (and now Man City) way of spend whatever it takes. The man knows business and has made his money making good BUSINESS decisions. Sadly, the fans at Newcastle have shot one of the few guys who might have brought success in the long term.

As an aside, a neighbour had a drink with Ashley outside a pub near the Emirates last season. He asked about summer signings, KKs responsibility re players and what the future held. Ashley was candid in saying no major signings, KK had the say on player movement and that it would take 4-5 years to get where he wanted. All reasonable.

In the meantime fans think two successive wins means that they are 'back' and that KK could lead them to trophies. Not true. Never has been, never will be.

Newcastle NEED Ashley a lot more than KK.
If only the 'army' could see that and give the bloke a chance to make the changes.

Now what for the future?

16th Sep 2008, 21:11
I couldnt give support for a guy who wholeheartedly stood by Joey Barton. He is nothing more than a thug and a bully who happens to have a skill. Keegan lost all my respect when he let that animal play for his team again.

I also think Keegan is a waffler, and although a lot of years experience as a footballer /manager he got through management on a wing and a prayer.

I think Mike Ashley made the right decision to get rid of him, and i think the Newcastle fans have gone way over the top on this.

You supporters need to be geeing your club on now whoever is boss, not have all this confrontation from pre match demo's. You wont do the club any good. Just look forward and dont bite the rich man who feeds your club, because as he's done, he's bitten back and the masses didnt win. :D

16th Sep 2008, 21:38
There has been turmoil between managers, directors and chairman at that club for as long as I can remember. When I was a young lad, it was open warfare between the Seymours and the McKeags and different managers. Its carried on like that down the years. The board were signing players in the seventies without the manager being told, so Keegan's situation is nothing new. Compare the acrimony and turmoil at SJP with the relative tranquility at Old Trafford or the Emirates and you get a very different and succesful outcome. Newcastle need some peace in the boardroom then maybe everyone can concentrate on getting results on the pitch. Maybe Ashley is the right man to take to club forward, but he needs to let the manager have a say in who comes and who goes and he needs to give him time - Allardyce's sacking was just crass stupidity IMHO.

Like groundhand, I used to go to every match, but I gave up my season ticket because they didn't come to see me when I was bad.

25th Sep 2008, 09:58
Managerless, hopeless and dumped out of the mickey mouse cup by us, the worst team in the premiership! What now for united??

You Magpies had better do something & quick. I can vouch for Terry Venerable, he sorted out the borough, so maybe he's the man for you - still part of the Cockney Mafia though!!

Richard Taylor
26th Sep 2008, 21:00
Joe Kinnear??? :confused:

Richard Taylor
27th Sep 2008, 21:22
Joe Kinnear??? :confused::confused:

28th Sep 2008, 00:09
I am sorry, I misread the announcement, I "thought" it said ROY Kinnear
I know, Hat Coat and tombstone

28th Sep 2008, 06:51
Ther's a Joke in here somewhere but I am not laughing.

Howay the lads.

Richard Taylor
28th Sep 2008, 11:47
Since the sponsors Northern Rock have been nationalised by the Labour Govt, shouldn't the Govt not now be running the Toon?

You could have Gordon Brown as Manager, Alistair Darling as Chairman & John Prescott as Coach.


29th Sep 2008, 09:27
You couldn't make it up could you?

The Cockney Mafia appoint a temporary manager who says he might be here for a month. Then we are told that he is banned from the dug out for 2 matches.

What happened to CRB checks. Not wise, not wise.:=

29th Sep 2008, 12:15
Cockney mafia? Ashley is from Bucks, Kinnear was born in Dublin and Wise, although a Londoner was born in Kensington where you can't even hear the sound of Bow bells in a 40k easterly wind on a very quiet day with no traffic in the entire city. Blimey me ol Chinas, don't drag us cokernees into this mess, time you changed that title - although home Counties/West London/Irish mafia is a bit long-winded

29th Sep 2008, 12:18
Trust me, anyone from Gateshead is cock-er-nee to a proper Geordie.

29th Sep 2008, 15:12
Personally I don't see what the fuss is about football.It is an industry like any other, designed to make as much money as possible for its owners and with total disrespect for its consumers.

I just can't be bothered and would be very happy if the whole circus just disappeared.

29th Sep 2008, 15:29
I'd love it if Newcastle were to appoint Kevin Keegan as manager again. Och aye. Love it. As long as it's in time for our next game, as it'll make the dickin' we're gonna give 'em that bit more special. Love it, I would. The noo.

Sir Alex Ferguson, Boddington Arms car park, Wilmslow.

Effluent Man
29th Sep 2008, 15:56
Slight thread drift,although sticking with yonder cockernees:What is the general opinion re the Tevez affair? I must admit as a neutral I had a lot of sympathy for Sheffield United getting relegated and the consequent dodging and weaving of the eel eaters hasn't diminished my feeling that they pulled a stroke one bit.

29th Sep 2008, 21:05
The Magpies have apparently had an email from someone in Nigeria who has access to considerable funds (a government or bank employee, knows of a large amount of unclaimed money or gold which he cannot access directly, usually because he has no right to it) offering to buy the club in return for a share of the released funds . . .
Apparently the return number begins with 419.
Football Feed Article | Football | guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/feedarticle/7837217)

30th Sep 2008, 01:36
Eff Man, spot on. If it had been the other way round and Sheff U had fielded some dodgy player you can almost guarantee they'd have had the book thrown at them. The Irons are an established Premiership team and the Premier League bosses (ie that plonker Richard Scudamore) bottled it and took the easy option of fines rather than points docked which meant WHU survived when they had been as crap as Sheff U all season.
As for Newcastle, I really hope they sort their act out. I have spent many a Saturday at that ground as an away fan and loved every minute of it, whether we have won, lost or drawn. The crack has been terrific and despite the supposed hatred of cockneys I have never ever encountered a problem with Geordie fans - in fact we have, in my experience in the pubs around the ground, always shared a distaste for those smug a***s from Surrey and the rest of the home counties who follow Man Utd, which is nowhere nearwhere they live. But that's another story. Good luck to the Toon, I wish you well

30th Sep 2008, 15:10
BBC SPORT | Football | African | Nigerians confirm bid for Magpies (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/africa/7641893.stm)
Price now said to have been reduced to 280 million . . .

4th Oct 2008, 20:56

Joe f*****g Kinnear lets the f*****g press have both f*****g barrells particularly Simon f*****g Burns, while the poor f*****g Newcastle press f*****g officer does't know where the f**k to f*****g look for f**k sake.

I think the f*****g f****r may have gone and f*****g f*****d the f*****g f*****r:eek:

7th Oct 2008, 22:22
Its nice to see someone from Newcastle United (personell wise) showing a bit of fighting spirit!

thought we were mint on Sunday and could have quite easily have won it! :O

10th Oct 2008, 11:48
NEWCASTLE FANS CALL FOR THE REANIMATION OF JACKIE MILBURN - The Daily Mash (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/newcastle-fans-call-for-the-reanimation-of-jackie-milburn-200809151252/)

So deluded that it could be true

Richard Taylor
10th Oct 2008, 12:54
...no doubt with Tony Bliar cheering from the terraces at the Gallowgate End...

10th Oct 2008, 14:38
I think that the said Blair person SHOULD be approached.
Couldn't be worse than many others, or perhaps, maybe ????:{:{