Another Kalitta 747 engine failure (at BOG)

[condorox]

On 26th August, after departing BOG at 0130 (LT) a Kalitta B747 reported engine failure and asked to return to BOG. It do so safely at 0230 after some circuits over Ambalema.

It is BOG where another Kalitta 747 crashed shortly after take off last 7th July, killing 3 people on the ground and injuring the members of crew -some seriously. That was the second hull loss of a kalitta 747 within months.

Noticias de Bogotá - ELTIEMPO.COM -> Aeronave de carga de la aerolínea Kalitta sufrió una emergencia esta madrugada, en Bogotá (http://www.eltiempo.com/colombia/bogota/2008-08-26/aeronave-de-carga-de-la-aerolinea-kalitta-sufrio-una-emergencia-esta-madrugada-en-bogota_4467559-1)

[fesmokie]

So...what's your point?:}

[condorox]

Does there have to be a point?
I specifically did not raise any!
My post was simply to inform of an event that happens to have been the same that suspectedly caused 2 hull losses (plus 3 lives lost and injuries) in the same aircraft type of the same airline in the last 3 months. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Newforest2]

Guess Fes didn't read the forum title Rumours and News!:ok:

[manrow]

Isn't the fact of 2 very similar incidents, same aircraft type, at the same airfield worth posting about, since someone may know more?

[atakacs]

So...what's your point?

given recent events I would say it's definitely deserve mentioning...

[soullimbo]

Hey Fesmokie,

There's no point. The initial poster is just glad to share this with you!
Doesn't effect me if there's an ocasional accident every couple of months, as long as it doesn't happen while I am flying.
All the best!

[icarus sun]

All I can say is they seem to have a lot of engine related problems for such a small fleet.:confused:

[NSC]

Dear Soullimbo, thank you very much for your comment.
I am of the opinion that it shows exactly what your mind set is.
Saying this I hope you will break your leg in a complicated way so you will never ever enter a flightdeck again.
Reason for me stating above is simple and straightforward: EVERY accident/ INCIDENT should be of your "proffesional" concern since the factors contributing to these might one day bite you in the a.r.s.e.
But seeing that; according to your statement, you are perfectly happy with what you have been taught in your ATPL course and not wishing to contemplate things that one day might get you and your colleagues/passengers out of a potentially lethal situation is abhorent.

Wishing you a bland and uneventfull future in insurancesales,

Faithfully yours,

NSC

[lomapaseo]

For a simple news item unrelated to anything of importance I can't figure out why we have 10 threads on it discussing nothing of importance including my own:confused:

[faheel]

So let me see, Kallita has had 2 hull losses in in recent months and now an engine failure out of the same airport as one of the hull losses and people are flameing the reporter of the latest incident?
Appears to me a trend is emerging.

[bpp]

I've heard they also lost a hull earlier this year in MX. Something about a crane toppling over the aircraft due to an incorrect mx procedure.
bpp

[lomapaseo]

Appears to me a trend is emerging.

anybody for a game of tarot cards?

[411A]

Engine difficulties are nothing new for Kalitta.
Remembering the one that fell off into Lake Michigan notwithstanding, when Connie acquired L10 freighters, I asked him if he was going to send anyone to RollsRoyce engine school, and he replied....'we can maintain a JT3 or a JT9 with a hammer and a big screwdriver, what do I need to send my guys to school for?'
What did they then have?
Rather massive problems with their newly acquired Rollers.

Par for the course there, I suspect.:rolleyes:

[ACMS]

yeah...........nice attitude.

Seems the Pigeons have come home to roost?

[Huck]

First thing he did with those L10's was rip out the lavs and strap a camping toilet in the back of the cockpit.

(So I heard....)

[fesmokie]

Yes he did tear out the lavs and put porta potties in to reduce weight. I only shut down 1 engine in the 3 years on the L-1011. Flew it out of the next station uneventfull.

As for the Q engines on the 74's ..I heard Connie just signed a $25,000,000.00 deal to have the engines upgraded.

[lomapaseo]

I heard Connie just signed a $25,000,000.00 deal to have the engines upgraded.

upgraded to what? Rolls or GE?

[Roadtrip]

The 200s can't be in operation too much longer with fuel at present prices. The price per hour that an ACMI carrier can get for them (about $4k per hour?) is certainly squeezing an already rock-bottom maintenance budget (which the freight outfit pays for, not the customer). Further considering that it appears that the FAA has no serious interest in maintenance at these outfits, it's not hard to see where it's heading. IMHO.

Draw your own conclusions.

[fesmokie]

Here is the press release.


Matthew Perra
Pratt & Whitney Commercial Engines
Int’l Mobile: +1.860.595.6515
[email protected]

Jennifer Whitlow
Pratt & Whitney
U.S. Office: +1.860.565.9600
[email protected]

Kalitta Air to Upgrade JT9D fleet with Pratt & Whitney Durability Kits

SINGAPORE AIR SHOW – February 19, 2008 – Pratt & Whitney, a United Technologies Corp. (NYSE: UTX) company, and Kalitta Air have signed an agreement to upgrade the airline’s fleet of JT9D engines with Pratt & Whitney durability kits. The kits, covering 12 upgrades, are valued at more than $25 million over three years; deliveries will begin in March 2008. Kalitta Air also maintains the option to purchase additional durability kits.

“We are pleased that Pratt & Whitney has made the JT9D-7Q Durability Kit available for installation in our 7Q engine fleet,” Richard Bray, Manager of Kalitta Air’s Engine Center.

The JT9D-7Q technology upgrade provides increased durability and extended on-wing time for Pratt & Whitney JT9D engines. The durability kit includes new first and second stage turbine blades and vanes and a new second stage turbine seal. The technology upgrade reduces engine maintenance costs and improves fuel burn.

“We are pleased that Kalitta Air has chosen to upgrade its JT9D fleet with Pratt & Whitney durability kits as a cost effective way to extend the life of these engines,” said Todd Kallman, president, Pratt & Whitney Commercial Engines. “These durability kits are another example of how we continue to invest in our products, working with our customers to ensure we provide the best value technology and service offerings for their business.”

Based in Ypsilanti, Mich., Kalitta Air is a privately held operator providing both scheduled and non-scheduled cargo services. Kalitta Air has a cargo fleet of Boeing 747 aircraft and charter fleet of DC-9 and Boeing 727 aircraft.

Pratt & Whitney Commercial Engines has nearly 17,000 aircraft engines in service with hundreds of airlines around the world. Pratt & Whitney is also a leading partner in two joint venture companies to manufacture commercial aircraft engines; the International Aero Engines V2500, which operates on the Airbus A320 family of aircraft, and the Engine Alliance GP7200, FAR33 certified for the new Airbus A380.

Pratt & Whitney is a world leader in the design, manufacture and service of aircraft engines, space propulsion systems and industrial gas turbines. United Technologies, based in Hartford, Conn., is a diversified company providing high technology products and services to the global aerospace and commercial building industries.

# # #

© 2008, United Technologies Corp. - Pratt & Whitney

[411A]

First thing he did with those L10's was rip out the lavs and strap a camping toilet in the back of the cockpit.

(So I heard....)

Yes, that is precisely what was done.
However, the L10's that had been converted to freighters that Kalitta purchased, were ex-BA machines, and originally did not have the usual forward lavs arrangement as other L10 models.
The BA lavs were modular units, directly in line with the R1 door, and these were required to be removed for the installation of the forward cargo bulkhead.
So, Kalitta really had no choice, although having said this, the port-a-potty that was selected was not especially the best available...:rolleyes:

[lomapaseo]

The 200s can't be in operation too much longer with fuel at present prices. The price per hour that an ACMI carrier can get for them (about $4k per hour?) is certainly squeezing an already rock-bottom maintenance budget (which the freight outfit pays for, not the customer). Further considering that it appears that the FAA has no serious interest in maintenance at these outfits, it's not hard to see where it's heading. IMHO.

Draw your own conclusions.

Yes I have drawn my own conclusions and find that there is no evidence that Kallita maintenance standards have been degraded or that maintenance by Kallita played any part in the referenced accidents.

If you know of a trend difference please cite it.

[hauxdeu]

I've heard they also lost a hull earlier this year in MX. Something about a crane toppling over the aircraft due to an incorrect mx procedure.
bpp

Rumor or fact? Inquiring minds want to know.

[WhalePFE]

I've heard they also lost a hull earlier this year in MX. Something about a crane toppling over the aircraft due to an incorrect mx procedure.
bpp

Rumor or fact? Inquiring minds want to know.

Bad rumor! No Hull lost!

[Roadtrip]

Anything new on the BOG crash? Seems like this one is doing the normal thing and just being forgotten and swept under the rug because it's just a freighter crash.

[fokkerjet]

Haven't heard anything on the USAJet crash either?

[soullimbo]

Dear Soullimbo, thank you very much for your comment.
I am of the opinion that it shows exactly what your mind set is.
Saying this I hope you will break your leg in a complicated way so you will never ever enter a flightdeck again.
Reason for me stating above is simple and straightforward: EVERY accident/ INCIDENT should be of your "proffesional" concern since the factors contributing to these might one day bite you in the a.r.s.e.
But seeing that; according to your statement, you are perfectly happy with what you have been taught in your ATPL course and not wishing to contemplate things that one day might get you and your colleagues/passengers out of a potentially lethal situation is abhorent.

Wishing you a bland and uneventfull future in insurancesales,

Faithfully yours,
NSC

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Oops, some people don't understand the hidden message.....
Don't bark straight away, read first, if you don't get the message, ask someone to help you translate the message in your sprache and ask them is he kidding? Yes I was. God almighty, I suppose you must get into a lot of useless arguments. Do you have friends?

[lomapaseo]

Thank you for sharing.

It helps to bring up old misunderstandings lest they scab over and heal

[Hipsway]

Soulimbo,

I'm not sure that our German friend understands sarcasm !

Whooooshhh