New BA 757's

[fruitbat]

Heard from 3 sources now, most notably from engineering that BA are preparing to purchase up to 10 757's, I guess of the -300 variety. Seems strange since they are sellin a load at present! Still, hats off to the fleet planners for another truly remarkable turnaround should the rumour have any substance!

[Nigel PAX]

It would certainly make sense. Every time I fly on a BA 757 (like today) they seem pretty packed with Club Class passengers, so replacing them with smaller Airbuses appears bizarre.

[Thunderbug]

Rumour I heard was that they have finally realised that the A319 is a bit too small, so they went to Airbus and said can they change some future orders to A321s. Airbus said "Oui, but get to the back of the queue and we shall see you in a couple of years" Hence sudden need for bigger shorthaul aircraft.
Suddenly realising that they already have the setup (pilots, engineering, etc) for 757s, in their infinite wisdom they are rumoured to be leasing some more 757s (models unknown).
Rumour supported by the fact that planned training and route cutbacks have not been implemented yet.

[PaperTiger]

So what is the explanation for 3 (or 4?) of the newer BA 757s lolling in the sun at KTUS ? I understand the BIK-ies are all spoken for by DHL, but why park the young uns if as suggested there is a capacity shortfall.

[Roobarb]

It’s enough to make you weep, isn’t it? Once again, if they’d listened to their staff in the first place we could have avoided this stupid mistake. We might be forgiven for believing that the only reason that the lowly esteemed Ayling Bob bought the Airbuses was because he was hoping to become ‘Sir Bob’.

Fleet Planning, another department that could contribute significantly to the bottom line by its absence. :mad:
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[Pontius]

Thunderbug,

You could well be right but I understand that the options package they have allows a LOT of flexibilty and a severe lack of queuing. The GB A321s were bought using BA's options on them and they didn't have to wait for too many days for those to arrive.

As far as I can establish, the A321s are almost a foregone conclusion, the 319s are proving too small on some of the routes and may well be switched for 20s or 21s. The intial batch (6 or 8?) 318s have to be bought as part of the launch customer/737-500 deal that BA struck up with Airbus. These are still going to MAN, so it shouldn't affect the price of fish too much, but I'm willing to bet some of those 318 orders are switched to 319/320s.

I loved the 757 but now BA has gone down the Airbus route it seems mighty silly to me to have 17 757 E4s and 69 Busses. They may as well just convert/add some A321 orders and do away with the better aircraft ( :))altogether.

I'm very often wrong (as is the whole of the Waterside) about fleet plans etc but I hadn't heard or seen any eveidence of the 757-300 coming BA's way. 767-400, yes, but no 757.

Interesting times as ETOPs often says on another forum!!!!

Toodle pip,

Pontius

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[NigelOnDraft]

I've also heard rumours re. the 753...

However, I fall asleep saying goodbye to the Pax getting off a 752, and am sure they are getting back on again at the back! The thought of a 753 load trying to disembark thru' 1 door....

I do recall Boeing having to do some dodgy tests to persuade airlines that the t/r time would not be a problem - no doubt involving lots of fit small people who conveniently had checked in all their hand baggage...

NoD

[flaps]

Didn't Lufthansa ask the same question a while back? ie turnaround times for the 753. I heard that they were going to borrow one for a while to see if it could be a replacement for their A300's.

Anyone know of this or the outcome?

[Thunderbug]

Pontius

Thanx for your wise words - Had not made the connection about GB getting 321s. I too can see BA going totally Airbus in shorthaul, but with the plan to reduce to 34 757s by September, I think those days are some way off. 753 would be interesting (mind the tail!)
What do you know about 764s? I know the ol' 763s are going to be fitted with club beds and sat nav/com before going to LHR 2002/3, are there serious(?!?) rumours about -400s

[airforcenone]

The A318 isn't necessarily going to MAN ......

[dodgy]

The 318 isn't necessarily gonna be built...

[ETOPS]

Just a small point about the 757-300. Er it's too long to park on most of the stands at Terminal 1, especially the Bravo stands and the Charlies.

A non starter I think.......

[Evanelpus]

767-400 for BA?

I seem to recall that Delta (?) were very unhappy with the -400 as it didn't do what it said on the tin!

I could be wrong, if not, have these problems been addressed by Boeing and are Delta now happy chappies with the aircraft?

[mcrit]

Well JMC now have 2 757-3's it will be interesting to see how they get on at LGW with the pax only using one door.

[SQ7000]

Give the small A319's to BAC Express they'll fly em!

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[rolling20]

I thought the whole idea of the A-319 was so BA could cramm em full of Biz class passengers and thus raise their yields!
The plebs at the back werent even a consideration.
Dont tell me BA's now reverting to geting the masses back on board?
|Seems post Ayling they've come back to the real world!

[Nigel PAX]

In the BA 757s I fly in, there are an awful lot of C class pax filling most of the plane, and not many plebs at the back. Even the unpopular ‘E’ seats are mainly filled. If they put A319s on those routes, they’d be pushing C class pax on to competitors’ a/c unless they manage to bump up the frequencies into a saturated LHR. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

[flaps]

You mean just like puttin the 320 on the Monday morning Geneva flight.

25 rows, 23 of them C class. Bet the person sitting in 23F is mightly p*$$ed off.

Great having a range of aircraft sizes, why cannot they be better matched to the routes.

[foghorn]

They were doing the same with a 319 on the Friday evening CPH-LHR run. It was booked solid nearly two weeks before every week in both C and Y, and thanks to that some passengers (me included) are now flying with competition.

The 757 is now back on the route I'm told, but I'm not going back. Big Airline's loss.

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[Reimers]

flaps:
Condor has operated one of their B-757-300 on the FRA-MUC route, but no results were published. I am certain that with no ULDs, only one aisle and at most airports, only one door used, this is not a perfect fit for the high frequency short turn-around trips, but which aircraft is there today on the marked?
For the time being, LH have converted the medium-haul A300-600 to short haul and have added one bought from Emirates second hand.

[A319-131]

I think what theyre doing is a "constant trial" with the Airbuses vs Boeings.

But the Boeings more poular with paxs im told, Buses very cheap to run.



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[behind_the_second_midland]

From management recently. Latest plan but yet to be confirmed. Manchester keeps 737-500 with a probable reduction to only 8 aircraft with BRAL/Brymon picking up the shortfall. A318 to BHX and BHX 319's to LHR. True about the A321 lack of availability. As for the 757/300 heard only (strong)rumours. Still if they get them thats a 757 command for me yippee.

BTSM

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[L337]

The 757 is stayin coz they cannot sell em......

[behind_the_second_midland]

L337

Try reading the thread before you comment.These are new 757/300.

BTSM

[The slug man]

757s replaced on a daily basis with A320s on
MAN/LHR. Result lots of pax bounced around
from one shuttle to another.

In the good old days you could always depend
on the 767 to take up the shortfall.

So lets get the 300s up and running.

[236 Series]

I think I've answered my own question/point but here goes.

I thought Big Airline, as reported in their internal newspaper, was going to shift some short haul from T1 to T4, some long haul from T4 to T1, so the size issue, (where the 300 is concerned) won't necessarily be a problem if operated out of T4?

That said, I imagine, the switch outlined above is going to be a long way off, due to the necessary gate modifications at T1 to accommodate B777's. I don't know, I'm not a civil engineer.

However, if you are then able to fit in B777's in at T1, no doubt you can fit in B757-300's, so any long/short haul move becomes slightly superfluous? If BA does order B757-300's, you've got to do ground mods to fit these in at T1, then surely you're back to square one?

[behind_the_second_midland]

236...erm am I missing something here? The size issue is about downsizing and capacity not gate suitability.
As for T1, what do you think all the works for? Also SAA manage to park -400's there.

BTSM

[spagiola]

Since the A319 and 321 are built on the same production line at Hamburg, switching from one to the other ought not to be difficult. Switching to 320s might be trickier, since they're built at Toulouse.