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Ken Borough
25th Aug 2008, 01:53
The Sydney Morning Herald today reports

Airlines fly into headwinds on Tasman route

QANTAS and Air New Zealand are preparing for bloodshed on the highly competitive trans-Tasman route, as they face the triple whammy of a looming price war, other rivals increasing flights and an economy in recession.

In a risky move for the national carrier, Air NZ has slashed fares on its most crucial route, just over a month before Virgin Blue's subsidiary, Pacific Blue, begins nine flights a week between Sydney and Auckland. The new services will add about 300,000 seats a year to the route.

The Sydney-Auckland route is already hotly contested by Dubai's Emirates, Chile's LAN and Aerolineas Argentinas, as well as Qantas and Air NZ. Capacity could increase further once Emirates begins daily flights of its A380 super-jumbo in February.

But Etihad has doused speculation it is about to follow its main rival, Emirates, across the Tasman. "We have absolutely no plans to fly to Auckland," an Etihad spokesman said on Friday.

Industry insiders believe Air NZ's decision to reduce one-way fares for flights from Sydney to Auckland by about quarter is a risky move because of doubt about whether any increase in traffic will cover the cost of reducing prices, particularly in the leisure market.

The cut to fares is primarily to protect market share as Virgin Blue redeploys capacity from the Australian domestic market to the trans-Tasman via Pacific Blue.
Air NZ admitted that conditions in the Tasman market would become "increasingly challenging" due to the surge in capacity from rivals. The carrier will announce its full-year earnings in Auckland tomorrow.

Despite an overall increase in the number of seats filled last month, the carrier reported a slight dip in its load factor (a measure of seats occupied by paying passengers) to 76.9 per cent for the Tasman and Pacific routes last month.
The extent to which the fare cuts and increased capacity affect Air NZ's revenue will depend on Qantas's response to the lower fares. "Whether it is big or small will depend on how hard Qantas comes back to respond to Air NZ's pricing moves," an insider said.

Pressure on the route comes as the NZ economy is officially about to slide into recession, and growth in Australia slows.

Macquarie Equities estimates Virgin's decision to redeploy aircraft to the trans-Tasman market will increase capacity between Australia and NZ by about 7 per cent, after taking into account a small increase by Air NZ and by Emirates flying the A380.

"Virgin Blue's decision is likely to be seen as a better financial option than purely parking the planes, while the additional capacity on the Sydney-Auckland route will place downward pressure on yields for both Air NZ and Qantas," Macquarie said.



I believe that V Australia are also planning Sydney/Auckland/Sydney with a daily 777. That will sure dump a lot of cheap seats if the info is true!

Skystar320
25th Aug 2008, 01:58
margins are already thin on the tasman run's........... going to be interesting......

Cypher
25th Aug 2008, 05:10
Why would Virgin want to compete against itself on the Tasman with Pac Blue and V Australia?

ZK-NSJ
25th Aug 2008, 11:04
syd/mel/bne- chch with the 777 would be good,
a whole lotta freight outa chch but with only 2 daily widebody services
to sydney plus the qantas freight flight, not a lot of space for it

NZScion
25th Aug 2008, 11:11
Why would Virgin want to compete against itself on the Tasman with Pac Blue and V Australia?

Maybe it would be cheaper to operate the aircraft across the ditch even with suboptimal loads due to the exorbitant parking fees at YSSY? I have heard (although this is pure rumor) that this is part of the reason for EK to continue so many flights to NZAA/NZCH.

1279shp
25th Aug 2008, 12:20
This was talked about in crew room today - not that anyone admits to reading/posting on prune.

A grey bearded, rather grizzly looking/sounding six-bladed Koru prop driver, banged his hands on table and stated,
"The bloody government owns us, they need to help protect us! Simply deny these new trans tasman bas:mad:ds any airlines landing rights!"

To which the response was, "Impossible they don't own the airports!"

To which 'Grizzly', by now adding a rather V-Aus red colour to his face added, "Then how did they manage to stop Dubai buying into Auckland, and by so doing stopped them creating the only other Hub apart from Dubai, for the world's best airline! Plus stop goodness knows how many bucket loads of investment on this tiny blip in the southern seas!!!":*

To which a rather fresh faced FO - also a six bladed Koru prop driver - responded with, "Because Emirates Air New Zealand doesn't sound right!!":D

Most all of those gathered were silently agreeing, but also pondered what the next ride 'Grizzly' and 'The Pup' had together, might be like up front!!!! :ooh:

1279shp
25th Aug 2008, 12:25
Tis an election year!!:eek:

ernestkgann
25th Aug 2008, 12:36
I wouldn't count on Emirates and the Sheik's saving anyone. Their only interest is the bottom line and promoting their hub, Dubbo (Dubai). Indeed they are probably more responsible than anyone for the capacity dumping on the Tasman.

yellow rocket
26th Aug 2008, 00:28
Air New Zealand will still be here making a profit long after Ansett Blue has gone.

Skystar320
26th Aug 2008, 00:37
Air New Zealand will still be here making a profit long after Ansett Blue has gone.

What the heck you been smoking, Ansett Blue?

P.S - AirNewZealand, isnt as cosy as you think.......

The Mr Fixit
26th Aug 2008, 01:03
Yes, Yellow rocket what have you been smoking ?
Air New Zealand has already made bucketloads of money (or guaranteed their own survival for the time being) by sending Ansett Airlines into the dirt and taking all the money offshore, by the way has anyone seen that scum Toomey lately ?

yellow rocket
26th Aug 2008, 01:10
I think he went home to Australia

Skystar320
26th Aug 2008, 01:28
with a nice fat pay-check thanks to Air New Zealand, after he screwed ansett with all its money & assets

mrpaxing
26th Aug 2008, 01:56
you can find the mentioned b****k on the gold coast :ugh::yuk:

Skystar320
26th Aug 2008, 01:59
with free flights with ANZ for the rest of his life?

ANstar
26th Aug 2008, 05:02
I dont think NZ in that great of a position.

They made a similar profit to Virgin Blue of around $198m (NZ) Vs around $160m for DJ.

The difference is DJ had revenue of around $2b AUD whereas NZ have revenues of something like $3.2b (NZ)

puma pants
26th Aug 2008, 21:11
Big difference between PB and ANZ. ANZ is 80ish% owned by the govt. The pack of socialists who run this country will just keep throwing money at their "nationalised airline". PB (read VB) doesn't have a significant shareholder to cover operating losses.
ANZ has that same old problem they have always had. No on-carriage in oz. They only have the smallest market on the Tasman, ie just NZ.
Same old same old!

RadioSaigon
26th Aug 2008, 23:30
after he screwed ansett with all its money & assets

Oh FFS get over it.

Ansett had been thoroughly screwed of any assets it possessed before ANZ was even remotely involved. Airworthy airframes sold back to the leasing company, replaced with marginal (at best) airframes, then the whole apple-cart tipped up by CASA regulatory action. Collusion? Don't know that any evidence exists, but when it stinks like sh!t...
ANZ's sole mistake was failing to do a comprehensive 'due diligence' in the rush to get access to AUS domestic routes -bought on by the failure of the AUS govt to honour its CER committment to allowing ANZ access to AUS domestic routes.

Swamp Donkey
26th Aug 2008, 23:38
Word perfect radiosaigon!

Skystar320
27th Aug 2008, 00:01
RadioSaigon, you have your views but.....

May I suggest you reading both the creditors reports and release of information before you blab out wrongful facts

Why in the days after the collapse, Air NZ were quickly offering US$150m to settle and claims against them as they were running cold........

mattyj
27th Aug 2008, 00:25
Nup Skystar..Saigons absolutely correct..Ansett was a basket case end of story..the deal was a stitch up by the Aus Gov to keep their hands clean..AirNZ went from viable to a fire sale after the debacle.

Skystar320
27th Aug 2008, 00:31
I admit Ansett was poorly run, however they were changing. AirNZ put the final nail in the coffin as they didnt want SIA to purchase the other 50%

Anyway this topic inst about Ansett its about trans tasman runs, so lets leave it the case where AirNZ screwed Ansett and get back on topic

RadioSaigon
27th Aug 2008, 01:03
It's not merely my opinion Skystar320: Ansett was demonstrably a cot-case well before any ANZ involvement. A simple rush of blood to the head on ANZ's part was merely that, no more and no less. Why on earth would I want to scrutinise accounting reports approved by a government that more than likely would be culpable of collusion in this debacle? Blaming ANZ ad nauseum is merely deluding yourself and/or a poor attempt at further obscuring the realities of this situation.

Let it RIP. ANZ has, most Kiwi's have. Why can't you?

puma pants
27th Aug 2008, 01:50
And now back to the Tasman!

slamer.
28th Aug 2008, 09:25
Love the spin... had to read this twice to make sure I hadnt missed some zeros......:rolleyes:

Virgin profits fly high on premium sales

4:00AM Thursday August 28, 2008

LONDON - Virgin Atlantic Airways, the privately owned British airline controlled by billionaire Richard Branson, said yesterday that a record number of business travellers sent profits skyrocketing more than sevenfold.
The company said that net profit for the year ending February 29 was £47.7 million ($125.3 million), up from £6.6 million the previous year.
Sales rose 9.1 per cent to £2.3 billion.
Virgin said a 22 per cent increase in first and business class passengers helped increase earnings.
The carrier said it continued to benefit from higher numbers of premium flyers into the first quarter of this year as passengers shunned British Airways to avoid problems at Heathrow's new Terminal 5. The terminal had a disastrous opening in March, with flights cancelled, luggage lost and enormous queues.
The company also said that its launch of a number of new routes - to destinations including Nairobi, Kenya and Mauritius - helped increase the total number of passengers it carried over the year to 5.7 million, a 7.6 per cent rise.