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14th Aug 2008, 19:36
This one might last longer than five minutes. :^-)
Sorry about the quality of the picture.


14th Aug 2008, 22:35
It is a Nord 3202,a basic trainer used by L`Armee de L`Air from about 1960; also the aircraft in which Leon Biancotto was killed whilst practising for the FAI World Championships(aerobatics).It was really an outclassed machine,compared to a Stampe and Zlin226, but it was French designed,and Biancotto was the best.I saw him perform at an Air Day at Nth.Weald in mid -summer `60.Absolutely great,but a month later he was dead..
It was said he spent a lot of time at home,hanging upside-down in a parachute harness as a training aid....Sadly ,the aircraft let him down...Syc..

14th Aug 2008, 23:03

14th Aug 2008, 23:04
Sorry, Syc, not a Nord 3202. I can see the similarity though.
Not a Bucker either, Chronistin.


14th Aug 2008, 23:07
Sorry for deleting, I thought it was solved after the first post. :O

14th Aug 2008, 23:15
Has a bit of a Percival look about it.

15th Aug 2008, 00:34
It lies somewhere between a Nord 3201 (not the Nord 3202), and the Fokker S-11. (Yes, I know the Brazilians built a S-11 knock-off, plus a tri-cycle gear version as well). Perhaps a license-built version combining the best from DeHavilland's DHC-1 Chipmunk, and the worst from the Hindustan HT-2. Is it from the far-off Islet's of Langerhan..?

15th Aug 2008, 07:09
Not from that stable, Avitor, although it is Gipsy-powered.
A very cryptic question, evansb! Laguesse? Pancreas? Not from France, Holland or Brazil.

15th Aug 2008, 10:30
It has the look of the Zlin Trenner about it. However, I did not think that Zlin used DH Gipsy engines.

15th Aug 2008, 10:37
A DH Chipmunk?

15th Aug 2008, 12:49
M.K.E.K.4 UGUR built in Turkey to replace the Miles Hawk Trainer.

15th Aug 2008, 14:40
I think you are right, T-21. The undercarriage is pure Messenger, the wing root has a definite whiff of Magister about it, and those flaps are Gemini-like. So, a licence-built clone. Fascinating, not seen one before.

15th Aug 2008, 14:45
Good shot, T21! It is indeed the Ugur (which means Luck). I scanned the picture from an article in The Aeroplane dated May 13th 1955.

15th Aug 2008, 15:11
Thanks ,M.K.E.K. stands for Makine-Kimya Endustrusu Kurumu. I don't know how many were built for the Turkish Air Force early fifties, but the three supplied to the Royal Jordanian Air Force were abandoned quickly due to excessive vibration and manufacturing defects. The engine was a 145 hp DH Gipsy Major 10.

fauteuil volant
15th Aug 2008, 19:29
Do any survive?

15th Aug 2008, 20:29
Having never heard of this aircraft before I looked it up on the internet. According to this site at least one still exists in the aviation museum at Yesilköy/Istanbul.

http://www.tuncay-deniz.com/ENGLISH/MKEK/mkek.htm (http://www.tuncay-deniz.com/ENGLISH/MKEK/mkek.html)

There are also a couple more photograps at:


15th Aug 2008, 21:12
Sorry Chaps,led astray by a pair of legs,...again...looks like the designer chappie had a few pictures of a Maggie,Chippy and some other Fokker !!!

18th Aug 2008, 11:31
Some more info on Wikipedia; M.K.E-4 U?UR - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.K.E-4_U%C4%9EUR)