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frostbite
10th Aug 2008, 18:02
Here's a nasty thought.

The Chinese have said that their Olympics have cost the equivalent of 20billion - the same as ours have been projected to cost.

But the UK organisers have said that ours will be more spectacular (=expensive?).

The really worrying bit is, the Chinese workers have been paid around 50p per hour, our minimum wage is 5p/h with most workers likely to be on about double or treble that rate, maybe more.

Your estimate for the cost now?

Saintsman
10th Aug 2008, 18:53
our minimum wage is 5p/h with most workers likely to be on about double or treble that rate, maybe more.


I think you'll find that the nearer the time to 'O' day the rates will increase. Some people will be able to retire from the money they will make. Think about Wembley and how much that cost. Most of that was wages.

I'd put money on the final bill being double the current estimate.

niknak
10th Aug 2008, 19:41
Just as intersting will be what happens to London's Olympic infrastructure after the games have finished.

There's a long history worldwide of the facilities being mothballed and left to rot due to the cost of returning them to the locals for viable community or trade use.

tony draper
10th Aug 2008, 19:43
The chaps getting their fingernails dirty actually doing the work will get boodies compared to the pinstriped Spivs who already have the snouts in the Olympic trough like that arse Coe and his Olympic minions,they are already cleaning up.
:suspect:

Krystal n chips
10th Aug 2008, 20:16
Other than those with various snouts in numerous troughs, the bulk of the UK is going to be paying for an umitigated disaster due to greed, avarice, ego's and ineptitude......we have some experience of this in the UK after all....:yuk: and if there were an Olympic event covering these areas we would be certain of one gold medal at least.

So, the Chinese say they have 100,000 Police / Mil etc deployed as security....now where, I wonder, are we going to get anything similar in terms of professional security and volume of personnel ?

As for the opening ceremony, after China, I wonder what they have in mind ?....the cast of Eastenders and any other half baked Cockney "comedian" they can rustle up on the cheap to give it a real "Larndon" flavour?

And now, lets play "spot the junket to China" indulgee's...all, no doubt, with their own "perfectly valid reasons" for this "detailed fact finding mission"...yeah, right :mad:

And finally, as previously, non of the supposed organisers have explained to me, and a few million others, how, exactly, the 2012 games is going to benefit us as a whole.......there may be a slight delay here I suspect.

Credit crunch, wos thart all abaht then guv ? Not darn the East end it ain't

Avitor
10th Aug 2008, 20:28
"like that arse Coe"

Indeed.

traveler
10th Aug 2008, 20:33
Maybe it is possible to increase earnings on this side of the globe ?
TV time sales, product brands sponsoring, etc.

MReyn24050
10th Aug 2008, 21:28
The Chinese have said that their Olympics have cost the equivalent of 20billion - the same as ours have been projected to cost.

But the UK organisers have said that ours will be more spectacular (=expensive?).

The really worrying bit is, the Chinese workers have been paid around 50p per hour, our minimum wage is 5p/h with most workers likely to be on about double or treble that rate, maybe more.


Who were the idiots who decided that we should follow China in hosting the games. No way can we afford to put on an opening ceremony to beat that provided by China. What ever we put on will seem second rate. The whole Olympics has got out of hand it is no longer a sporting event. All that money spent on an event that lasts at the most 3 weeks.
as niknak says:-
Just as intersting will be what happens to London's Olympic infrastructure after the games have finished

arcniz
10th Aug 2008, 21:54
Cannot top the Chinese on sheer numbers of anything - people, money, scale, etc., so it will be down to resourcefulness in style, presentation, and vision.

One suggests it can be a world-class opportunity for promoting the UK's strengths in education, science, & technology, the beautiful countryside, and the colorful legacy of skill and civilisation the UK offers to the world of 2012.

Yes, the Olympics event is foremost about sport, but the way to recover the eye-watering expense of it is through creative trade promotion for UK industry, agriculture, and tourism.

tony draper
10th Aug 2008, 22:24
What industry? oh yes I forgot, we used to make the door handles for the Concorde.

Rollingthunder
10th Aug 2008, 22:32
Set one place in place for each Olympic Games (summer and winter). Organize a lottery to determine said places.100 billion a ticket to play. Take a chance, you could make billions and billions over the years if your location is drawn from the hat, top hat or pork trough.

Save having to build venues in various places ad infinitum.

reynoldsno1
10th Aug 2008, 22:55
London's Olympic infrastructure after the games have finished
apparently 21 out of the 22 Athens' locations are now virtually derelict

stagger
10th Aug 2008, 23:03
The London 2012 opening ceremony should highlight what Britain does best...

Forget puppets, gymnasts and dancers - how about Led Zep on a suspended stage with Jimmy Page using a specially adapted guitar to light the Olympic flame? :E

tio540
10th Aug 2008, 23:31
Aus spent US $5 Billion on the games, and you cannot get a hospital bed. What is the point?

con-pilot
10th Aug 2008, 23:32
Oh shoot, don't even try to top China. Just buy everyone a few pints, let the Red Arrows do their thing and enjoy the games. :p

Seriously, I really have no idea how London can beat what China did, I know the US couldn't. What ever London does, it need to be an entirely different approach to the Chinese opening. Get the remaining Beatles back together?

Impress to inflate
11th Aug 2008, 07:37
They can save some money by having a great British tradition (well was, when I was a nipper), Indoor fire works in the stadium and giving the audience a sparkler each.

In stead of all these really expense games, have games like the three legged race, egg and spoon or the parents of top athletes racing each other.

Great idea's I know. Can you think of any more ways to save money ??

galaxy flyer
11th Aug 2008, 08:02
An on-the-spot report-Beijing is truly spectacular effort. The city looks marvelous and easily world-class. We are in a Marriott that opened a week ago and, with the exception of a few faux pax, you wouldn't know it. High quality in everything. The FBO service was right nicely organized, esp considering they operated 324 bizjet ops on Opening Day -1.

Now, if the pax could get us some tix, all would be right. :D

Makes me wonder what the Mumbai Olympiad would be like :ouch:

Surrey Towers
11th Aug 2008, 08:03
Tessa Jowell. She's on a junket...call it a fact finding trip.......or whatever. The woman is out of her depth and GB should have sacked her while he had the chance.

Single handedly, she has allowed herself to be walked over.....**** upon......and let the money grabbing and greedy builders, manufacturers, suppliers etc., etc., etc., take this country for a ride AND it ain't over yet!

Should couldn't organise a p/u in a brewery far less organise the Olympic Games. As for his Lordship, he also enjoys the trappings too, and the power.

The bill for these here Olympics is going to get a WHOLE lot higher!

Wod
11th Aug 2008, 08:59
Sydney redeveloped an old industrial site, refurbished some existing specialised sports venues, and wound up with ongoing, useful (and used) facilities.

A little redundancy at the Homebush site in terms of road and rail access, but overall there is ongoing benefit from the investment.

My understanding of the London plan is that it is similar, with a clear post-games end-game on the accomodation side.

Suspend the cynicism and give it a go.

radeng
11th Aug 2008, 10:58
Interesting is the organising committee's attitude on spending money. They said that a high degree of enforcement of the arrangements for radiocommunications would be needed, but licences should be free. So where are the people coming from to do the work, and who is to pay them?

We could have an awful lot of hospitals and patients treated with expensive drugs for the cost of this wasteful ego trip.

13thDuke
11th Aug 2008, 14:17
We could have an awful lot of hospitals and patients treated with expensive drugs for the cost of this wasteful ego trip
Sadly not true. All extra funding to the NHS is now spent on 5-a-day co-ordinators, lesbian only toilets and the translation of all GPs' surgery magazines into Urdu.

However, instead of spending 20 billion on people waving streamers, why not simply send a postal order for ₤3.30 to everyone in the entire world?

That's the kind of goodwill you just can't buy (so to speak).

obgraham
11th Aug 2008, 16:45
You folks already have all the infrastructure you need for the olympic ceremonies. Just get that bunch of Horse Guards, Beefeaters, bearskin hat guys, and fancy gold plated carriages out and run them round a bit.

What else do they do anyway, except sit around and wait for another Royal to peg out?

billa
11th Aug 2008, 16:53
Quote: Stagger
The London 2012 opening ceremony should highlight what Britain does best...
Forget puppets, gymnasts and dancers - how about Led Zep on a suspended stage with Jimmy Page using a specially adapted guitar to light the Olympic flame?



Well, the whole of China has put their last drop of sweat into the Olympics. Naturally, it'll be a hard task to outshine them.

However, I don't see why London has to outdo the Chinese spectacle. They are already a well respected sporting country/city and they don't have to prove anything to the world.

London should hold a modest ceremony that has more meaning than just pomp, and perhaps strive to be green and global rather than ultra-nationalist.:ok:

stagger
11th Aug 2008, 18:48
OK - forget Led Zep with flame throwers.

How about we just set out some trestle tables and have everyone sit down for a nice cup of tea and a scone?

radeng
11th Aug 2008, 18:51
13th Duke

I said we COULD have, not that under current Labour and NHS thinking we WOULD have!!

frostbite
11th Aug 2008, 20:57
"How about we just set out some trestle tables and have everyone sit down for a nice cup of tea and a scone?"


Oh, come on!

No need to be tight-fisted - we could run to a Punch & Judy show, with the international athletes competing in a Pin the tail on the donkey contest.

S'land
11th Aug 2008, 21:02
How about we just set out some trestle tables and have everyone sit down for a nice cup of tea and a scone?

Will there be cream and jam with the scone or are we economising?

airship
11th Aug 2008, 21:06
If the costs for the London 2012 Olympics continue to exceed budgeted costs and the private enterprises contracted to build the facilities all complain loudly enough, I understand that the government will oblige all future UK Lotto jackpot winners to donate 50% of their winnings into a special fund in addition to what is already skimmed off the Lotto game...

I believe that Gordon Brown would call this a 'windfall tax', hitherto only applied to huge oil company profits, hardly ever (that I can recall) applied to city firms (except for the pension funds) or high street banks (even though the government-supplied 'windfall' they're all benefitting from currently would easily finance the Edinburgh Olympics in 2016, Southampton in 2020 and Lower Willingdon in 2024)... :rolleyes: It'd be funny if it weren't true, I believe that the Economist recently gave this newest phenomenom an official name: 'Socialism for the rich"... :sad:

SR71
11th Aug 2008, 22:05
Whatever we do the yobbos serving their asbos will spoil it....probably with a knife.

:}

13thDuke
13th Aug 2008, 12:53
I said we COULD have, not that under current Labour and NHS thinking we WOULD have
Although they've tripled NHS funding since they came to power, they haven't yet realised that if you give lots of money to hospital admistrators, the first thing they'll do is create more jobs for hospital administrators. The next is large pay rises for hospital administrators.

By the time you get around to buying a new dialysis machine - all the money's gone.

I worked on planet NHS a couple of years ago - full of people for whom the real world just does not exist.