Congratulations China :

[828a]

If ever the world needed an aide-memoire that the Peoples Republic of China is a power that is here to stay then the world was reminded last night. Long may it remain so. Coute que coute.

828a

[Yeager]

It was a pretty damn good opening China pulled of there - no doubt. Thank God it was after dark - where the pollution is so much harder to see (and face the reality!).

I was expecting to see a bit more of Helle Kitty and Mickey Mouse though - guess now a days China is not nearly as fascinating as it was in the past. :}:}

Congrats on the opening and thank you bringing up this topic. :ok:

[HotDog]

Hello Kitty is a Japanese idol, not Chinese. I watched the opening ceremony on TV and must agree that it was outstanding! Sure the place is polluted, worse than Hong Kong. Even more remarkable what they have achieved in such a short time span. The Olympic venue facilities and the new Beijing airport terminal. Compare that to LHR Terminal 5!:rolleyes:

[AGNES]

Dan Buster,



Why not! Hong Kong is part of China.

After all the bias attacks on China especially during the torch relay, it is a real boost. Keep up the good work.:D

[cx252]

Ok guys, lets face the truth, Chinese can speak English, Chinese can host such big game like Olympic, and one more last thing related to this forum ,Chinese can FLY !!

[AGNES]

cx252,I like that.

[Basil]

BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7550969.stm)
A US tourist has been stabbed to death by a Chinese man in central Beijing, officials have said.
A second tourist was badly hurt in the attack at the Drum Tower monument. The pair are relatives of a US Olympic volleyball team coach.
The assailant then committed suicide by jumping from the 13th Century landmark, officials say. The motive is not known

Very tragic, embarrassing and aviation related depending upon one's point of view.

[leopold bloom]

Why not! Hong Kong is part of China So why do they have a separate olympic team?:hmm:

[AGNES]

Basil,It was really tragic. But I believed it was an individual case.

[cpdude]

Why not! Hong Kong is part of China

Not according to the Canadian Government!:}

and this is related to a hong kong aviation forum how?

This forum is for those based with Hong Kong airlines (ATC included) but topics do not have to be aviation related. Actually, it's nice not having a topic about management or the AOA!:)

[Basil]

AGNES,
I agree.
However, I think I speak for most citizens of any country hosting the Olympics that, whilst it is an opportunity to show off a bit, the event concentrates world media attention and one hopes that nothing embarrassing happens to any foreign visitor to one's country.
Unfortunately, although the security services can be on top of likely threats, there is little that can be done to defeat a random nutter.

UK next in the firing line :uhoh:

[GANKER]

I thought the opening ceromony was good to, but for some reason it seemed to keep reminding me of Pink floyd "THE WALL" movie with all that conformity and marching soldiers and kids holding outstretched hands?. Still though a good effort.

[N1 Vibes]

Whatever my opinion of China the opening ceremony was undoubtably one of the largest spectacles the world has ever seen, but then again it did cost US$100,000,000 - 2 times that of the Athens ceremony. Or 10 cents US from everybody in China, in Greece it cost $5 per person - it's all about economies of scale.

As for an aviation interest/link, if you didn't watch the ceremony then you wouldn't have seen the helicopter flying along as 29 sets of fireworks were fired from the ground forming 'footsteps' across Beijing and into the stadium, representing the 29th olympiad - very creative.

Regards,

N1 Vibes

[hongkongfooey]

aviation related
Pity they could'nt put the same amount of effort into their airspace/ATC so we could avoid wasting 1000s of tons of fuel a year and put 1000s of tons of extra crap into the already polluted atmosphere :rolleyes:

....and yes, the opening ceremony was very impressive :ok:

[Loiter1]

Guys, this is obviously a windup by someone with a bit too much time on their hands. Don't take the bait.

[CXtreme]

As for an aviation interest/link, if you didn't watch the ceremony then you wouldn't have seen the helicopter flying along as 29 sets of fireworks were fired from the ground forming 'footsteps' across Beijing and into the stadium, representing the 29th olympiad - very creative


NOT SO!!! The footprints were pre recorded, then digitally enhanced. The little girl singing was lip syncing, not her voice. A question on C.N.N. " Can they not find a girl that is charming and can sing, why use two girls to portray one character".

Off course the U.K. will not be able to compete, you cannot evict people from there houses with no componsation to build an Olympic event.

At least you will have uncensored internet access in the U.K.

[828a]

CXtreme;

It's not necessary to offer excuses one way or the other. Just accept that England can't possibly measure up to China's tour de force. One does not have to think very much about why this is so.

828a.

[jumpseat]

828a, you're going to have to explain that remark.:confused:

[CXtreme]

F.Y.I. 828a

China falls short on Olympic promises, critics say - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/08/12/china.promises/index.html)



Olympic girl seen but not heard - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/08/12/oly.kids/index.html?iref=mpstoryview)

[slapfaan]

With a country being run by a bunch of " GOONS AND THUGS " I can only smile and shake my head..

As far as the SMOGLYMPICS are concerned..the IOC should never have given it to them..:yuk:

..and I'm not even going to get into their appaling human rights abuses debate here.. absolutely disgusting place...:mad:

[828a]

CXtreme;

I've read through all that CNN rubbish and I have not got time to-night to tell you what I really think of it. Typical USA propaganda written for American home consumption by paper sellers sucked in by that arch villian the Dalia Lama and some street arab do gooders who saw an opportunity to stir the pot. Only a gullible fool would believe it.

828a.

[porch monkey]

If it were rubbish, the Chinese representative that was interviewed would have denied it, no? He didn't, and then said effectively, "what does it matter anyway?". Care to retract your post now?

[Apple Tree Yard]

828a. China is nothing but a giant prison with a billion inmates. It may 'look' like a vibrant, functioning country, but in reality it is a brutal dictatorship which brooks no dissent. Until the Chinese people are free to select their own leaders, worship any god they wish and travel without restrictions, China is, and will remain a shameful stain on the worlds desire for freedom and liberty.

[Humber10]

one World, One Dream.... :}

[yokebearer]

At least the food is good:

Apple Daily Live Monkey Brain Article (http://maxent.org/ch/monkey_brains_ad.html)

http://maxent.org/ch/images/01_table.jpg

[Guru]

Extreme opinions on opposite ends of the scale have been put forward by posters on what exactly China is today. I would say the reality is somewhere in the middle.

Some people hate this country with so much enthusiasm that they cast aside their objectivity (and manners) when they comment on what they think they thoroughly understand. Don't let the overwhelming negativity in the media coverage be your only knowledge of China. I suspect most of you would not like to be branded as fans of Fox news but this fanatical hatred being displayed is a bit unreasonable.

[Apple Tree Yard]

..Guru, I see....i'm supposed to find a polite way to describe a regime that brutalizes their own people and those of Tibet. Easy for you to comment as you aren't subject to the quiet but desperate brutality that their citizens are subject to every day. Perhaps you would like to 'politely' and with 'good manners' consider the fate of the brave student who stood in front of the approaching tanks during the 89 massacre? Disappeared without a trace after being arrested. I'm sure they used very polite manners in disposing of him...

ps. perhaps you could explain why Fox has the highest ratings in the industry...oh, I know, America is a land full of bigoted racists....yes, that must be it.

[Kilo Whisky]

Apple Tree Yard, So I suppose you're subjected to the quiet but desperate brutality everyday by the way you comment on this subject? Have you ever lived there? Do you know people there? or How long have you been living in HK?

I'm a HK local and must say there were mixed feelings when HK got handed back to China back in 97'. I liked the English and thought the Chinese gov was bad too due to their communist nature. I knew we had to live with it watching the English flag gone down while the red flag went up. But now it has already been the 11th year I must say I'm impressed by how the PRC is changing and reforming. Can you say it's still a pure communist country? I wouldn't. It's more a socialist regime. and for the 11 years of Chinese rule in HK, no complaints really.

Call me brain washed or patriotic , I was educated overseas but was never ashamed to admit that i'm Chinese.
I don't see why you guys are so upset on this issue when you guys aren't even Chinese.
At the end of the day, I don't see how Olympics and politics can mix together , and for those who disagrees,

just get out of this Country, get out of Hong Kong instead of complaining all day long.

[hekokimushi]

let the jealous countryman talk.

the chinese culture mind THEIR OWN business. so why would some stupid use olympics for their political agender in their own country?

nevermind anybody else's. the chinese are reforming themselves internally, not needing advices from the countries that are already in trouble themselves.
ok, we are no bloody politican's. u can choose what you believe. but just don't fix aided or have a tunnel vision from the CNN?

chinese saying goes, Every Country has its OWN laws, Each family have their own rules.

how about, if i tell you how you should run your family, not going into detail, no doubt, you won't be a happy chappy. or giving stupid statement forcing you to do something that is not your own business: you should do this and that so that your neighbour treats their family dog better?

apologise to the vegeterians, regards to the "monkey brain desert" those are just minority and extreme and seems a very old picture cut out. why not point your gun to some african countries whose are Cannibal? i know because they are not a threat.

China is developing fast. so stay out of it, and know your facts first from the correct sources. there are more chinese out in the world than american's so which is the prison?? at least the chinese are a happy bunch, working hard in the development state.

for more, just what do you know about the talbet? if they were comparable to the Taliban (religious driven and use bombing and killing). will u accept them. so why are those two countries forcing China to do something that is JUST NOT RIGHT? only the stupid would see or believe what the Mr Diulei Lomo says. and why must china answer every b0ll0cks all the uneducated people being given false/incomplete information/story. and back to the mind your own business idea. they don't care if salone stone is having a period pain talking crap or Mr special effect movie maker is getting old linking politics to the olympics. the olympic openning will just run as spectular and as normal without the outside influences.

HONG KONG is part of CHINA. it is a fact. nevermind what anybody thinks.
if the guys that have so much political views about one's country, can you do something with the AOA? do something useful instead of farting bu11sh!t like the CNN? asking the right people with the right questions where the hell the big bucks fine to the US goverment (funny isn't it) went from the reported intrim 660million loss, instead of pointing fingers at a country that you currently work in???

mind your own business.
give it a smile. take it easy people.

[411A]

....Chinese can FLY !!

Indeed they can, cx252, and from my days at SQ (B707), they can fly pretty darn well.
Many mastered the Boeing push, as well, with ease.
As far as the SMOGLYMPICS are concerned..the IOC should never have given it to them..

..and I'm not even going to get into their appaling human rights abuses debate here.. absolutely disgusting place...

I take it you don't approve, then?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[AGNES]

hekokimushi, it was very well written and very reasonable!

CNN = Complete Nonsense Network

[Flying Bagel]

I see....i'm supposed to find a polite way to describe a regime that brutalizes their own people and those of Tibet. Easy for you to comment as you aren't subject to the quiet but desperate brutality that their citizens are subject to every day.

If you can say something like this...

ps. perhaps you could explain why Fox has the highest ratings in the industry...oh, I know, America is a land full of bigoted racists....yes, that must be it.

Then perhaps this quote is also true.

It may surprise you, but the Chinese government has a much higher approval rating among it's own citizens than the American government does among it's own. Much much higher. And it's not because of this repression that you talk about.

As for Tibet, if you've read about it's history, when the Dalai Lama was still in power, the regime was more repressive than it is today. But no one talks about that, of course.

However, I don't think the Chinese government is the best in the world, far from it. Tianamen square comes into mind. Yet I can't stand people who generalize everything without knowing what the actual reality is.

[Guru]

Apple Tree Yard,

It was an intriguing interpretation of my post from you. I called for a balanced perspective on the reality in China but instead I am being attacked as a supporter of all that is bad about China.

No, I will not generalise Americans as bigoted racists. But according to your simplistic view of the world, just because we have not succeeded in getting rid of a bad regime and some very had habits still practiced by some of the people, we should then be generalised as "f@cking :yuk::yuk::yuk:"?

[priapism]

These olympics are just like a party in a prison.

[armchairpilot94116]

CHINA:

A country that has always preferred to look inward rather then outwards. A country closed off to outsiders for millenia. A country disliked by many for various reasons. A lot of it from lack of understanding of China and the Chinese people. And at least some of it from legitimate failings of the PRC govt. You may be surprised to know that most Chinese people have never eaten dog meat or cat meat or care to do so and certainly dont condone the extremely cruel and senseless monkey brain feast.

We dont like China here in the USA because they are "Communist" but we have most of the things we use made there. And most of it is pretty good stuff. Some bad business people have made non ethical decisions that have harmed many. The govt person deemed responsible for overseeing the problems that led to the pet food scare in the USA was executed by China it should be noted. I am not saying that this was a just decision. A large number of pets died but that doesnt quite equate to taking a human life in my mind. Yes there are unethical people in China, there are evil people bent on no good. Just like in any other country.

China gives an olympic party , spends a reported 40 BILLION US dollars to do so. Puts out a truly remarkable Opening Ceremony costing hundreds of millions of dollars. However, they have so far made a few seemingly small mistakes but that has hurt them . Some fireworks were simulated for TV. ONe girl sings and the other performs. To the Chinese mindset, thats probably ok as they are all a TEAM> But to highly individualistic western minds its completely unacceptable and puts into question the entire morality and ethics of a whole race of people. But many Chinese themselves are not pleased as well. They are now clamoring that the girl who sang should make an appearance at the Closing Ceremony.

Its unfortunate that these mistakes were made. FAke fireworks are a no no, even if they accounted for a very small part of the fireworks show which was basically 99pct real. A girl who appears to be singing should indeed be singing or at least it should be her voice. The Communist PRC govt has a one track mind and uses a movie director to put on a great show. A great show he did put on, but a bit of ethics were mindlessly put aside. There was no malice intended. And we should be grateful when these minor issues are the only ones encountered when the games end.

But lets give China credit for the great job it is doing how about? The facilities are first rate, the opening was first rate. A lot of people in China as well as a lot of foreign consultants did a great job.

Lets enjoy these games. And not let controversy spoil the whole show.

The little Chinese girl gymnasts may or may not be 16 this year but they sure did win that gold by being the best team there. IF they were not 16 and proven to be not, then let China be spanked for it. But that didnt detract from the fact that these girls deserve that Gold. They did it, the hard way. The American team were great too, but they did make a few mistakes and did not deserve Gold. The earned that Silver, but Silver it should be and it was.

These olympics games dont have to be perfect but most people seem to be having a great time. IN fact I cant wait for it to end because there is a real danger of possible serious incidents occuring as China has its radicals too.

Im enjoying these games daily and I hope you all are too. LEts look forward to some great sports and take some controversy as they come. I for one am wondering what kind of Closing Ceremony it will be. No doubt it will be pretty good.

Lets engage China in sports (especially when they are paying for it) . Its a whole lot better then engaging them in conflict.

[BusyB]

Those who expect instant democracy in a country the size of China are being naive.
The USSR became "democratic" and how many have died in all the wars and disputes.
Yugoslavia became independant democratic states and how many have been murdered or killed.

China is moving slowly, but remarkably steadily, towards a more democratic state without the breaking up into hundreds of individual warring states we have seen elsewhere.

The last USA election was hardly democratic and the ignoring of human rights by the government there is not an example to follow.

[treboryelk]

good thing the olympics where not held in the US this year as we would have had a field day on political issues unrelated to what this thread started out as......a compliment to what is evolving as a F***ing good olympic games!

wax lyrical about monkeys brains and human rights, but for these two weeks i am just following the sport...and it is pretty fine so far!

[yokebearer]

Oh man you guys are sensitive. Although I strongly disprove of all animal abuse I did not intend to judge all of China bu posting the poor monkey.

Fact is there are people who harm others/animals/environment everywhere.
What the games are doing is HUGELY more positive for China than negative. There is a massive educational effect that comes with hosting something like the Olympics. It raises awareness among the people of issues around freedom, the environment, your culture, morals, ethics etc etc.
This can only be good and help the Chinese people to become more sophisticated, educated and informed.

And rooting out ignorance is what the world ( and China ) needs to make it a better place.

Now to gove the next Olympict to Africa so they can also start to sort themselves out......

[828a]

hekokimushi:

The use of the word jealous at the beginning of your post is most appropriate because therein lies the problem. The "sideways walkers" who have clearly identified themselves here know that word well. They were reared on it. Perhaps part of the sense you wrote may sink in but I doubt it. Fortunately it seems there is a lot of reasonable people frequenting these boards which is good to see.

828a

P.S. There is a single Chinese word for "sideways walker". The word is bahu and it translates literally as: a person with set ideas, someone who gets in the way and is always causing log jams, a churlish person, a person to be avoided. Much like........ here.

[cx252]

China is nothing but a giant prison with a billion inmates. It may 'look' like a vibrant, functioning country, but in reality it is a brutal dictatorship which brooks no dissent. Until the Chinese people are free to select their own leaders, worship any god they wish and travel without restrictions, China is, and will remain a shameful stain on the worlds desire for freedom and liberty.

Freedom!? Excuse me!? There are no actual freedom there whatever you are on the planet. In UK, Councils and health authorities are to be given the right to access e-mail and internet records under surveillance powers to be introduced next year said by Home Office.( They said next year, but the policies may has been undertaken for while secretly. ) The Councils can spy your moblie network, And CCTV all the way around in your daily life. You are expected to be capture your funky face 300 times per days in London.
I think same situation is happening both in EU and US those countries who always defined themselves as FREEDOM AND LIBERTY. I am not here today to complain about the system, in contrast, I do admit it kind of "safety purpose". But Western Countries, Please stop criticizing about HUMAN RIGHTS in China in this way like MR APPLE TREE YARD. You can and welcome to criticize any of unfairness there in China, but it is happening everywhere today on the world. We are all sitting on the same boat. Conflicts are there. THats what One World One Dream really mean to. "Anyone can Cook", forget about the racists.

[XFR8]

Hey 828a,
Try having this discussion in China.:ok:

[mrfox]

a person with set ideas, someone who gets in the way and is always causing log jams

That would be taken as a compliment in western cultures.

[Buttie Box]

I had a log jam once but All Bran soon sorted it.

BB

[AD POSSE AD ESSE]

I was educated overseas but was never ashamed to admit that i'm Chinese


KILO WHISKY - If China is such a fantastic place,why were you eduacated overseas? Had it not been for your "overseas education", you would probably not be flying at all,let alone for cathay..

[Kilo Whisky]

AD POSSE AD ESSE,

I believe I do not have to explain to you why I was educated overseas, it was purely due to personal reasons and had nothing to do with the Hong Kong government, let alone the Chinese government.

So what you're saying is that the poor local students here in HK or in China have no chance in becoming a pilot just because they were educated here?

Being educated overseas does not necessarily make one a better person or a better pilot

[AGNES]

AD POSSE AD ESSE, based on what you wrote, you are absolutely naive!

[Flap 5]

Of course this is a fantastic olympic games. After all it is a massive face saving issue for the Chinese and it is necessary at almost all costs for it to be fantastic. It is also very important for the Chinese to perform well.

It is strange because we are pleased when we do well at things in life - but is everyone else equally pleased? Or are they envious, jealous or just disappointed at not doing as well themselves? We all see things from our own point of view only.

The western journalists love to find out 'errors' in the opening ceremony. That makes them feel good. But does it make the Chinese feel good? Of course not. They are just annoyed.

Yes we all have our own laws but just as the family, with it's own rules, has to respect the law of the country it lives in - so the countries have to respect each other country and their viewpoints. Even if they don't agree with them.

The Games are in China but in inviting the World in to China the Chinese authorities have to respect the foreigners and their strange ways. In fact they should have been equally well educated in their strange ways so that they would not be seen to look foolish when the journalists push for answers on Tibet and human rights. As cx252 said the west has its own 'human rights' problems after all.

[slapfaan]

Kilo Whisky..

Let me answer you before Ad posse can..

The problem with you chinese is that you just love to have a back door open.

I will tell you why you were sent overseas to go and study.Because the education system in Hong Kong is crap,the quality of education is crap,and yes,if you are a local student your chances are about 1% to get hired by CX..simply because of the asian culture gradient and apprehension of the english language to a high standard required by aviation..

Locals here are sent overseas so that they can go and feel what it's like to live in a REAL country,where there is freedom of religion,expression and human rights..

Oh..and lets not forget the the main reason: to get another PASSPORT!!:ooh:

Don't believe me?? Just look at the mad rush before the hand-over of locals applying for BNO passport,getting rid of property and leaving HKG in droves..aaaahh..the uncertainty of the comunist government in the mainland!!

11 years on and just about every corrupt official working under Donald Duck (Tsang) has double nationality,so much for their "love of china and patriotismn!!":eek:

I tell you something..when the sh@t hits the fan,YOU will be the 1st one to run back to wherever it is you got your eduacation AND PASSPORT from..

[hongkongfooey]

Hopefully the Chinese are equally as proud of the Aussie who designed the watercube, the swiss who designed the Birds nest, or the Dutch and English who designed PEK airport, as they are of bull-dozing peoples houses or paying 1rmb/hr ( if they can get their pay ) to the workers at the Olympics.
Ooh yes, fiercly independant :hmm:

[Kilo Whisky]

Slapfaan,
Once again I don't have to explain to you the reasons of why I went overseas ya dee da de da. If you have so much time to 'analysis' the 'problems' of others I really think you should deal with your own personal issues first. so much anger so much negative energy. take it easy mate it's only a forum.

i don't have another passport. i hold a true HK SAR passport.
I don't see the need for holding another country's passport namely aussies, americans and the british. because you know what? I don't want to die early. I rather live in this what you guys think is a 'corrupted shi:mad: hole' than to die in a terrorist attack. Look at what you guys have done to the middle east. :D:D , Oil huh?
I'm not going to defend, argue or even discuss the points that you have raised, because I know that whatever I say or other members with a normal mind say will sound awfully wrong and stupid to you anyway.
Say whatever you want because I do sincerely wish you good luck in the future. I hope you'll leave 'corrupted shi:mad: hole' soon

[hekokimushi]

all valid points guys. some being more aggressive than others, but are ALL YOUR OWN PERSONAL VIEWS only, and some are not even close to being fair.

F5, agree with your posts. points taken.
but i'd like to contribute my 2 cents. Respect, i absolutely agree, other country leaders, they have done a pretty good job in respecting China during their visit, not so much prior to their visit. specially the french, absolutely unrespectful. As for those they-think-they-can-change-the-world tourist visitors and press reporters journalists, they were appauling. They seem more like trouble makers than respecting spectators.

No shows are perfect, and the chinese have never done anything in the past olympics to investigate other country's for errors.. the chinese just want to get as many gold medal as possible to save face that way like any other countries. right? :) hence One World One Dream.

HKF, no doubt, great design work by the western architects etc. but credits were given and certainly paid for, and everyone contributed would be so proud, and should one be honoured just to be part of the olympics anyway?!? and many many of the chinese workers at the olympics are volunteers, just to take part, money didn't quite come in to play (not the constructors of coz). Human right is the problem china is trying to solve s.l.o.w.l.y.


i personally just thought the chinese just want to put on a good show for everyone, to let the world know China is reforming and developing. Corruptions and unforgiven wages to workers still exist but it is a big country, things can't change overnite. please be patient. it will get there one day.

Slapfan, what is wrong to have a back up plan? don't you have a back door youself? and what is that to do with the Olympic games in China?? Education system isn't great, but your vision is absolutely foul. Studying abroad is for cultural exchange, and definately less competitive studying abroad. I wonder why you are here, in hk, instead of working at your own local airline? you have your personal reasons that we don't want to know. so your way of challenging one's career and resisdence status is absolutely low class. to broaden your view, the BNO is used just as a travelling document back in the days. Now-a-days, many people have given up the BNO coz it is much more restricitive than the HK SAR passport.

The respectful Donald TSANG has done a pretty good job. only his predecessor has phucked it up so bad, he is just doing the cleaning up work. being the middle man from the China government and the HK crowd is not an easy job.

This is an AVAITION forum. lets keep the politics outside? or can we start talking about our AOA and the 13th month that we might not get this year?

[Hellenic aviator]

I don't see the need for holding another country's passport namely aussies, americans and the british. because you know what? I don't want to die early. I rather live in this what you guys think is a 'corrupted shi :mad:hole' than to die in a terrorist attack.

...I must've been 'dozing off' when the excitement happened and missed it - other than Osama Bin Laden appearing as one of the boys from Chasers during the G8 Summit in Sydney, did Australia get attacked ? :ouch:

Lads, we are all entitled to our opinions, that's Democracy, however, in light that we are speaking about a taboo subject (politics), how about showing some respect to each others cultures. I certainly wouldn't like someone saying my culture, city or home is a corrupted sh:mad:thole
...ok, am stepping off now.

[828a]

Kilo Whisky;

Take no notice of slapfaan's odious jaundiced remarks. His views are so negative they don't even warrant a second thought. An unhappy working class expatriate who in days gone by would have been employed by Jardine Matheson checking bills of lading for chests of opium. Back in his own ditch he would be a nobody but in the East he inflates himself and lives in a netherland of his own making. This kind of person never finds happiness so feel sorry for him just as I do. I surely hope he is not a pilot because I'd hate to have to admit to someone that he was a colleague.

828a.

[christn]

It's sad to see that beneath a thin veneer of civility racism is alive and well on both sides!

[411A]

<<It's sad to see that beneath a thin veneer of civility racism is alive and well on both sides>>

Hmmm, certainly seems to be, and I suspect it is also the primary reason locals were not allowed into the 'old boys club' at the sharp end of an airplane at CX for so many years.

[Hellenic aviator]

....in the US there's another word used - it's called "Affirmative Action" :ouch:

[828a]

411a:

Antoine De Saint Exupery the famous French pioneer aviator, philosopher, author and man of letters once voiced his feelings about flying and his fellow aviators by saying quote: "The only reward worth having was the recognition of other flyers". unquote.

I've often wondered if St Ex was with us today if he would endorse those remarks. What's come up on these boards recently makes me think he would not.

828a

[OFFSET 2R]

hongkongfoofy

And dont forget the DUTCH who designed the opera house.

Offset

[hongkongfooey]

Not sure what that has to do with this thread upset, but maybe you should have GOOGLED it first, then you could have actually got it right.
Sarcasm kinda loses its impact when you get the facts wrong.:ouch:

It was a Danish guy who's design the Opera house was based on, happy :zzz:

[OFFSET 2R]

hongkongfoofy

Point taken about the mistake. It was still not an australian.

[watsup]

offset
Not an Australian, correct.....but they can't do EVERYTHING.......

[CXtreme]

BEIJING, China (AP) -- Chinese gymnasts,

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He Kexin, the Beijing Olympics Gold medal winner is in doubt due to her age.


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Several online records and reports show that He Kexin, the host nation's top competitor on uneven bars, and Jiang Yuyuan was born in 1994, making them to young to be eligible for the Olympics

[slapfaan]

Typical..

Lying,spitting,farting bunch of goons and thugs!!!

[priapism]

Sly liars and cheats -the farcical thing about the gymnasts is that the records on the Chinese National Gymnastcs Register showing the 14 year old's actual date of birth were taken from a domestic competition she competed in in 2006 as a young hopeful. Once the site was hacked in to and the records made public, the information regarding the athlete's participation in the 2006 competition has now been removed.

The Chinese over here in oz claim that she must be 15, turning 16 this year because her passport which was required to be produced prior to the olympics says so!!!

It doesn't matter though- all this controversy will be kept from the population via heavy censorship.

I'll say it again - these Olypics are just like a party in a prison.

[kuntakinte]

Bigots...please do boycott the Olympics! Drug and steroid pumped up bodies all over.......stop taking those stuff and you still have herculean bodies to do the labours of winning against those naturally nourished bodies of the third world. Now, now, now, ivory coloured bigots are gonna question lightning Bolt's wins and those of the Jamaican wonders. However barely a squeak of an insinuation about those sculptured beefy slabs of meaty robots raking up the swimming golds. Tsk, tsk

[Guru]

Lying, spitting, farting bunch of goons and thugs.

I see these behaviour and types of people everywhere I go in the world. It's fair enough for anyone to talk about what the Chinese do that are unbecoming in the modern world, I actually think the 'face losing' expose helps some of my compatriots to change their ways. But in your overzealous bashing of a whole nation of people, try to stick to behaviour and characteristics that are exclusive to them in your generalisation.

Slapfaan and others, I am not trying to defending the types of behaviour people are only too keen to list here. But as you engage in an indiscriminate attack on the Chinese people, you should ask yourselves if your criticisms of a people also apply elsewhere.

[kuntakinte]

The Chinese army should march down to HKG and rid this fragrant place of all the western bigots, period!

[BusyB]

If they got rid of all the bigots of ALL races they'd be doing us all a favour:ok:

[Super Drive]

All olympians have to be aged 16 or above? How come a British diver aged 14 can compete in the olympics?

Correct me if i'm wrong.

[BusyB]

You're wrong, that age only applies to gymnastics. Different limits for boxing, swimming etc.:ok:

[bungacengkeh]

These age rules are indeed different; all designed to benefit beefy slabs of meat type. Like wise rule changes in field hockey, badminton, etc are all done to benefit the occident ( with the flimsy reasons that they are needed to capture more spectators and new equipments like astroturf, etc ). All the talk of fair play and crowing in the " mass media ' about openness and transparency are ways to hypnotically hoodwink the self righteous believers of so called " freedom ". Fellas, you ain't free.......you just think you are free with the constant bombardment of CNN, BBC, other " freeworld " mass media which have subliminally captured your subconscious.

Of course the communist and other dictatorial regimes like China, North Korea etc uses the media as propaganda tools........we all know that, so we are wary of their official pronouncements. As for the so called " free " western press, the perception that they aree " free " LULL the general public to accept wholesale what is dished out, subliminally accepting the hidden agenda of the powerful so called " industrial-military-pharma " interests which are the real shadowy power behind geopilitical upheavals.

[christn]

At least the scoring has been fair, the Egan/Zhang fight being a perfect example!

[828a]

Take a bow China; An unqualified triumph capped on the final day by a Chinese gold, silver and bronze all from the one event. An occasion of special merit that had three proud young ladies singing their national athem in unison as three identical red flags rose together above the rostrum. A magical moment and a fitting climax that somehow said it all.

There are those who will call it a Pyrrhic victory but they are wrong. To China it is affordable, something the British will be hard pressed to say in four years' time.

828a

[Beta Light]

the chinese culture mind THEIR OWN business

NOT!! Chinese ship with weapons for Robert Mugabe intercepted of the African coast days before the Olympic's. Chinese hardware and military advisers seized in Darfur, Sudan.

[AD POSSE AD ESSE]

three proud young ladies singing their national athem in unison


Was that their REAL voices or pre-recorded again??

Masters of deceit!!:yuk:

[Flying Bagel]

Lip synching happens at most American sports events (i.e. the superbowl). What's the big deal?

[AGNES]

Beijing, thank you for a job well done.London, it's your turn!

[priapism]

Update on the Chinese underage gymnasts.

It has been confirmed that two of them must certainly be under the age of 16 as they were seen leaving the venue with Gary Glitter!!!

[kuntakinte]

Did he transit thru HKG , PEK or BKK? Glittering gold pickings!

[Hoofharted]

Thank god the whole bloody circus has packed up and left town. Somewhere over the passage of time countries of all persuasions have forgotten what the olympic ideal is supposed to be all about; Athletes and the celebration of the human condition. A once noble institution has become a fat old whore with myriad pimps hanging on and selling her for what they can get.

Only four more years till the next global d1ck waving contest, athletes optional. Can't wait! :D

[punkalouver]

Take a bow China; An unqualified triumph capped on the final day by a Chinese gold, silver and bronze all from the one event. An occasion of special merit that had three proud young ladies singing their national athem in unison as three identical red flags rose together above the rostrum. A magical moment and a fitting climax that somehow said it all.

There are those who will call it a Pyrrhic victory but they are wrong. To China it is affordable, something the British will be hard pressed to say in four years' time.

828a
I challenge 828a and one Brit to both create a poster saying how corrupt their leaders are and that they should be sent to jail. Both take their sign to the lawn in front of their respective parliament or equivelant for display and then return to tell us what the reaction was.

Of course we would never again hear from 828a. But at least he will finally realize that there are more important things in life than flashy Olympic ceremonies and cheating with 14 year old athletes to make a statement of how great your country supposedly is. But then again, what do you expect from a country that drives tanks over it's own peaceful protesters.

[cx252]

i wonder this threat has become the one against either all Chinese people or Chinese government. Please verify.

[priapism]

A great article published yesterday in the Melbourne Age.

London's will be an Olympics of cock-ups, but a lot more fun | theage.com.au (http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/londons-will-be-an-olympics-of-cockups-but-a-lot-more-fun-20080825-422n.html)

It great summary I reckon.

I look forward to the London Games - they will have REAL l atmosphere and huge attendances of people not hand selected by the state - I think it will be a fun time for London and a friendly style of olympics , like Sydney.

I hear this morning that Scotland wants to field it's own Olympic team for 2012.

Also heard this morning that if medal performances were based on a country's GDP the North Korea would have won easily with countries like the Bahamas also doing well.

Also , on population , the state of Queensland would have easily beaten the whole of England , as would have the state of Victoria.

It seems that no matter where you live you can find a statistical basis for a fine performance by your team.

[PendekarTunggal]

All these coming from people whose ancestors colonise and pillage the peaceful nations of the east....bah! People who started the opium wars, introduce opium and a whole lot of ****ty stuff to the east.......don't make me puke with your self righteous doo doo!

[punkalouver]

You mean like peaceful Tibet? Oh wait a minute, those are someone else's ancestors, well actually it is present day. Here is a bow to the Dalai Lama. The man of peace in the face of brutal suppression.

Prepare to start puking.:yuk::yuk::yuk:

[yokebearer]

PARANOIA

a disorder in which a person becomes overly suspicious and emotionally sensitive

A tendency to view the actions of others as deliberately threatening or demeaning; suspicious thinking based on misinterpretation of an actual event.

a disease-like state, characterized mainly with abnormal suspiciousness and crazy ideas

A general term for delusions of persecution, grandeur, or both, found in several pathological conditions. Essentially, a person believes his/her difficulties are intentionally caused by others. It can be produced by large doses of certain drugs, such as cocaine and alcohol.

Any of you clowns in the Aviator while you write your posts??:p
I find the alcohol helps.....

[ONE BIRD]

People who started the opium wars, introduce opium and a whole lot of ****ty stuff to the east.......
And stealing antiques and precious stuff, setting fire, killing people with other honorable western countries.Then display them in their museums. pathetic.