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6th Aug 2008, 15:30
"the William Shakespeare" got me thinking again about naming modes of transport. It used to be fairly common and seemed very civilized. Our aircraft used to be named. Long range - Empress of Asia, Empress of Canada etc. Short range aircraft - Empress of Montreal, Empress of Regina etc. Taking after the CP ships of old - Empress of Britain, Empress of Canada etc.

Call sign - Empress 95 etc.

Speedbird- a classic.

Seems like every locomotive in Britain had a name and it was justified because they were all individuals.

Canadian Pacific Empress of Asia.


6th Aug 2008, 16:14
Brighton & Hove buses used to name some of their fleet after 'famous' people who had links to Brighton...apparently every bus which has entered service since 1999 has been given a name.
Brighton & Hove : Buses Essential Travel for our City (http://www.buses.co.uk/frameset.html?history/fleethist/busnamesintro.htm)

Incidentally, there was one named after a police dog which was put down after biting an offender's ear: Brighton & Hove Bus and Coach Company Limited (http://www.buses.co.uk/history/fleethist/012b.htm)

Any aircraft named after dogs??? (To keep this thread on an aviation theme...)

6th Aug 2008, 16:21
My grandfather named his charabancs 'Maid of the mountains' and 'Happy days'.

(Grandfather standing wearing 'the tie' and passengers the 'aged miners of Wingate Station Town'.)

6th Aug 2008, 16:23
Is that you, third from the back G-CPTN?

tony draper
6th Aug 2008, 16:27
Bro Draper called his Triumph Stag "Billy" dunno why.:uhoh:

6th Aug 2008, 16:31
I'd never noticed before that there is a device for clearing the windscreen, yet:-
In April 1911, a patent for windscreen wipers was registered by Sloan & Lloyd Barnes, patent agents of Liverpool, England, for Gladstone Adams of Whitley Bay.
I haven't got the original photograph to hand, but it seems to date it as after 1911?

Bro Draper called his Triumph Stag "Billy" dunno why.'Billy' was a general name applied to a 'motorised' machine in the early days, FSL:E

6th Aug 2008, 16:36
I believe this is Canopus.


6th Aug 2008, 16:40
From memory - wasn't Canopus the name of the BOAC Stratocruiser that brought Princess Elizabeth back to UK soil as Mrs Kwin?
Edited to add:- 1952
HM Queen Elizabeth II arrived at London Airport on 7 February from East Africa in BOAC Argonaut G-ALHK Atalanta after the death of her father, King George VI.

So I was wrong, so why does my memory associate Canopus with a Boeing Stratocruiser?

8 October 1951: First Royal flight by BOAC: the then Princess Elizabeth and the Duke of Edinburgh flew to Montreal in a Stratocruiser for their Canadian tour (G-AKGK Canopus, Captain O P Jones).

6th Aug 2008, 16:42
The French high-speed trains (TGV) are named after French towns, or at least the early ones are. Not sure the 'double-deckers' still have such an identity.

6th Aug 2008, 16:44
Nalanji Dreaming ...


6th Aug 2008, 16:44
Your memory serves you well G-CPTN.


Shorts and de Havilland both spawned Canopi.

Don't start talking about steam locomotives or I shall be forced to ban myself.

6th Aug 2008, 16:55
"From memory - wasn't Canopus the name of the BOAC Stratocruiser that brought Princess Elizabeth back to UK soil as Mrs Kwin?"
Maybe, although I don't know that story....

But it's also the name of that Comet. Saw her early this year. Should have been be flying again by now, if a bunch of ****ers in various places hadn't made it near-impossible. Let's not go there here? Makes my blood boil every time.

6th Aug 2008, 16:59
The Canopus, the first Short seaplane of the "C" series on one of the factory launching ramp. This aircraft was somewhat successful, and from it Short derived the famed military seaplane Sunderland, which after the war was also used as a civilian transport, namely during the Berlin Airlift.

good spark
6th Aug 2008, 17:32
got a 1934 gillet motorbike, bunty seems to work, sorry cant work the piccy bit


6th Aug 2008, 17:36
... the famed military seaplane Sunderland, which after the war was also used as a civilian transport, namely during the Berlin Airlift.I believe you... thousands wouldn't.
Sounds like a good idea, actually. Would have carried a healthy payload, and not cluttered up Tempelhof. But where did they land? Tegel See? I'm trying to think of places around Berlin (in the Western zones) where you could land something that size and off-load it reasonably quickly.
Sorry mods, somewhat off-topic. But we can always move it elsewhere.


6th Aug 2008, 17:39
The RAF VC10s are each named after an RAF recipient of the VC.

6th Aug 2008, 17:45
........ and RAF Britannias were named after stars, "Arcturus", "Sirius", "Vega" etc.

6th Aug 2008, 17:49
As to 'naming transport' ... has anybody noticed that the members of the "ultimate transport family" (aka Concorde) have never been given names?

So ever since, we refer to them as "Alpha Fox" and "Sierra Delta", and yet they had as many individual characteristics and idiosyncracies as those steam engines somebody else mentioned earlier.....

Naming traditions can be weird.... The first British Concorde will always be "002", not "G-BSST", the last one will always be "Alpha Fox", not "216".
And do I have to remind anybody of the "Warthog"?
"Thunderbolt II" never caught on, did it?

6th Aug 2008, 17:50
I believe you... thousands wouldn't.
Sounds like a good idea, actually. Would have carried a healthy payload, and not cluttered up Tempelhof. But where did they land? Tegel See?
YouTube - Short Sunderland Flying Boats (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFH2OZD-TcU)

6th Aug 2008, 17:57
When we were in farming, we had a particularly beligerant Fordson Major tractor which my father refered to as that useless piece of shit.:p

6th Aug 2008, 18:07
I've known aeroplanes called that.

6th Aug 2008, 19:05
Oh ye of little faith . . . Capt'n... 't wasn't that I didn't believe you.... it's the kind of piece of history one doesn't make up.

What I wouldn't have believed until I saw it, is that, instead of some brief obscure reference in a squadron history, there were over five minutes of original newsreel on the very subject only a click away.....

Many thanks!!


Lon More
6th Aug 2008, 19:12
Reminds me of my Dad's "The only decent Ford is a Bed-bloody-Ford."

Solid Rust Twotter
6th Aug 2008, 19:30

6th Aug 2008, 19:49
I'm - what's the word? - ambivalent.
'Empress of Winnipeg' or (even worse) 'Empress of Regina' sounds like, well ...

On the other hand those names on the steam locos were impressive.

I remember years ago when BA held a competition amongst its staff to come up with inames for its new TriStar fleet, I suggested (cribbing from the LNER A3s) 'Derby winners' - that's where the TriStar's engines were made, see?

I didn't win. I still love the names (http://www.lner.info/locos/A/racehorses.shtml) though

tony draper
6th Aug 2008, 20:54
Pubs have interesting names,used to be a Pub opposite the depot I used to work from called The Bees Wing, and another called The Blink Bonny, one was always curious about em but twern't untill the advent of this titnternet thingy one discovered both were named after famous Race Horses from back in the 1800's and how's yer father.

6th Aug 2008, 21:30
There you go Tony. Blink Bonny. She must have thundered through Low Fell a thousand times.

Scrapped at North Blyth in 1966. I actually passed through the North Blyth scrapyard in 1966 so she was probably there then, there were a lot of the LNER's mightiest awaiting their fate. Getting to North Blyth was like the journey to the end of the earth - must have been even worse for the locos, at least I got out of there alive.

6th Aug 2008, 21:52
A long, long while ago, before Red Ken was in charge of London, there were some buses at Peckham garage named Delboy, Rodney, Uncle Albert and Cassandra.....

Nothing to do with planes but I'm sure some flew over Peckham while these buses were in service......

6th Aug 2008, 22:21
Some illustrious names there! I was going to wait until the subject matter had veered downmarket somewhat before posting, but I think that it won't without encouragement.....

Naming of aircraft in the GA sector is prevalent in ballooning, with Nuli Secundus being one of the earliest examples, although Zanusi, Double Eagle, Virgin Flyer and especially Breiting Orbiter have all been famous in their own ways.

My two are Heart of Gold and Brillig. Just seems more romantic than
G-BXLP and G-CFAY, but then again, most balloon pilots are inclined to be eccentric :}

Oops, that's me drummed out of the Tufty Club:uhoh:


6th Aug 2008, 22:58
Poosie Nansie's at Mauchline, Ayrshire.
Poosie Nansie's was named after a female aquaintance of Robert Burns.

Lon More
6th Aug 2008, 23:00
Poosie Nansie's was named after a female aquaintance of Robert Burns

That's about 50% of the female population of Scotland at that time then.

Put it about a bit did Rabbie

7th Aug 2008, 10:07
Now this is how they used to name trains...


Nowadays it seems that a name is given to a locomotive that is purely temporary such as "26th Local Government Conference" or some such tripe and the name has vanished a couple of weeks later.

In the old days the name stayed with the locomotive throughout its life (with some exceptions).

7th Aug 2008, 12:12
I once followed a large cruiser on a trailer, named Passing Wind.

7th Aug 2008, 15:45
We named our Argo Bigfoot, Dennis.

Inspired by Monty Python's Holy Grail....

"Dennis! There's some LOVELY FILTH over here....!"