A340 or 737-200 Line Training in SA

[Turbine9]

Hi Guy`s..

which company`s in south africa will do Line training for those aircrafts if i self sponsor my rating...

is there any company whom i could pay to get my line training done with,If so any details will me much appreciated

thanks

[flash8]

What an odd question...

Whilst you might slip a backhander for some jurassic time in some dodgy place (and risk more than you might think) the A340 is a no starter, whether SA or elsewhere.

[Turbine9]

Hi man...


i have done enough flying aleady and its time to move on..

people have there diferent opinion`s.. how to move forward

so do you have a solution with whom i could do my line training with

thanks

[south coast]

Never heard of anyone offering hours on type ofr the 340.

Lots of places in Europe do it on the 737 or the 320, normally 100 hours on type = megabucks.

Still doesnt really help as most places ask for 500 hours on type.

[Turbine9]

hi there

yeah i seen in america ,europe and also in canada they offering this, i cant see why cant i rather get it done in south africa instead of going oversea`s weather a340 or 737,is there any company i could do my line training before they sign me out
any contact details or person will be appreciate, please PM me or write here

thanks

[50feet]

mate all i can say is its people like you who degrade the system for the rest. paying for line training? what a crock of you know what. I mean really. A bit harsh i may be but i dont agree with this at all. Paying for your own rating say am initial turbine is one thing but a big iron bird and line training is bs. period

[clevlandHD]

Turbine9, nobody does/offers that in Canada.

[Turbine9]

hi

50feet,please tell me any otherway of me trying to get a job?
i DONT Want to go the instructor way,cause the pay is so bad and todays current feul price`s it cheaper for me to sit @ home..

thats why i want to get a proper job the first time round instead of wasting my time..

if you have any other alternate way i could be employed, PLEASE do advise me since the past 3 months i GOT nothing so far

so i decided to take bank loan and either make it or break it now.


i will wait for your PM forwarding me to the correct people that will employ me without paying for any rating weather be it c206 c210 b1900 WHAT
ever

:ugh:

[Flyer14]

i DONT Want to go the instructor way,cause the pay is so bad and todays current feul price`s it cheaper for me to sit @ home..

thats why i want to get a proper job the first time round instead of wasting my time..


Not to be harsh either but with that kind of attitude you will get nowhere.:yuk:

Don't know what your experience is but there is plenty of work out there on all sorts of machines, turbines, pistons, twins, etc. No-one goes from flight school into a 340 cockpit! Please don't start this BS of paying for jet ratings - it's not fair to the industry or your fellow pilots.:=

[Turbine9]

there is plenty of work out there on all sorts of machines, turbines, pistons, twins<-Hello,PLEASE direct me to these people, cause past 3 months i have not seen to find 1 AS YET

as from Jumping from School into heavy machine HAS been done and there is perfectly Nothing wrong in it, sax had structured course from ppl-com which in only 150hour structured,there after the cadets are sitting in right seat with training captain,there is a Bridging course that they do onto turbine, sadly only a limited number of people were given this oppertunity,it was some Mach 2 cadet scheme they offered to previously disadvantage people.(many training scheme`s like these have been offered and work out to be extremely successful)

Im asking for HELP here not criticism here...
so if you have any valuble input please say it

thanks

[beechjock]

Turbine 9 have you looked at Namibia. The tourism is at an alltime high and pilot turnover is fairly quick. Its time to stop paying and start earning. talk to sefofane, scenic air, pleasure flights west air, desert air and all the other charter companies and start on the c210.

Furthermore believe me if i say that you do not want to start on an a340. it gets boring very quickly and you dont fly those big machines anymore. Just sit there for 10plus hours and watch the stars while your family is at home waiting for you to come home in 4 to 6 days. And when you are away thats when the drains block and the car breaks and so forth.

Start on a prop and enjoy the best years of your career and then when you have had the good times come join us on the looooooooooooong haul.

Good luck

[flux]

Beechjock, your advice is sound! Go and enjoy a bit of flying first. Turbine9, I really don't think cadets that went to SAX is remotly the same as going from 0-340 in a couple of months :=

[50feet]

Well Turbine9 you have a lot to learn my pal!

Firstly I did instruction first and chatting to guys at the more established schools in SA today it doesnt pay bad either, unless you call 15k + not good enough for you with F%*$ all experience, because with 200hrs you may think you know everything but believe me you learn big time when you start out after your comm.

Do you really think people come out of varsity and start earning the huge bucks straight away? I think not so why should you? What do you know and what can you offer aviation with 200hrs? Your not a doctor with 10 years of surgery experience are you? nor are you a highly experienced aviator, so why should you earn a Boeing captains salary?

So I think you should buck up, grow up and accept that you are going to have to kuk off a bit in the beginning in order to climb this big ladder in aviation my friend. So go an visit the Delta, go to NAM, go fly contracts and kuk off in 3rd world ****holes like we all did and then you can sit in the right seat of a nice big shiny jet once you have earned it

50 over and out

[Turbine9]

Thank`s for the Positive feed back beechjock
im busy checking the regs for namibia and what is needed to get validation

As i have Said, im not here to urgue or fight with any HIGHLY qualified people or Mr 50foot , ALL i asked is WHO doe`s Line training, THis all i needed to know

How the Rest of the people View me is entirely up to them and there Opinion`s

i turned here to make a post figuring who i could approach for line training within SA, this all i needed to know, which still has not been answered, so i will hopefully wait for that if any person know`s

thanks

[nugpot]

Hello Mr T9, I think we might have spoken on the phone ......

You should keep in mind that no airline in SA requires a type rating, but all of them have some minimum hour requirement. This normally is not the one mentioned in their Ops Manual, but changes according to the relative experience available in the market.

For SAX for example, even if you have a CRJ/DH8 rating, you would currently not get an interview with less than 1500 hours with at least 500 hours on twins.

Good luck on finding that first important job.

nugs

[alpha-b]

Hey buddy.
Investing on a big airliner such as A340 or 737 is a big waste with this type of experience u've got i even doubt someone accept to train u with low time,i know COMAIR used to do it on the 732 but they stopped it as they realised guys were struggling they now require at least 1000 hours mostly turbines but in the other hand i know quite a lot of guys who went from light piston after their comm to 737 and did it well but most of the case they had a jet transition course program which takes a while before they get on to jets.Remember with 200 hours u're still learning how to fly which u'll do very well when u fly things like king air,dhc6 n 8,1900 that's really where u discover what flying is all about when u move to jets with these experience u'll only learn how to fly a jet not an aircraft.The industry is so much competitive that they won't even look at u.I recommend u invest rather on small turboprops they're a lot of jobs out there for it especially in africa go build ur experience over there by the time u come back home all doors will be widely open 4 u.Cheers

[Habari]

Would like to know which flight school you attended for your CPL etc. Didn't they teach you anything about the real world of flying out there? Learn to walk before you try to run!

[DVD]

Hi Turbine9;

I agree with everybody else on this thread, but to answer your question,
the only place I know for line training in a 340/737 is: eagle jet,
Take a look at www.aeglejet.net, they have different programs, although
I am not sure if they have anything in SA.

Good luck.

DVD

[Cue Ball]

T9

In my personal opinion I think the starting point for you is a bit of an attitude adjustment. You don't mention your experience other than to say you have done "enough flying" and you have been looking for a job for the past 3 months with no joy. Wake up and smell the coffee my friend. I myself looked for my first flying job for 15 months but I never gave up and always believed that I would make it and I did. So maybe you should go and knock on a few doors and talk to some people like we all had to do, believe me nobody is going to phone you to offer you any job in flying let alone on a 340 or 737. As for paying for a rating and line flying I don't know of anybody in SA that offers that. So get that cv in order and get busy! I wish you all the best and just keep believing and NEVER GIVE UP!

[alexmcfire]

I think he meant Sf340....:}

[Turbine9]

hi

thanks for the Positive Feedback "DVD"

Enjoy the Weekend

:ok:

[DVD]

No problem!!!

I know somebody who is going right know with the 500h program in the 320
at TunisAir, so let me know if you need any info. Although I still think is a
better idea to try to get a job where you don´t have to pay for but.........
:cool:

DVD

[Solid Rust Twotter]

Sure thing. Remember that next time you're turned down for a position because a less qualified person is willing to work for less and pay for his rating himself.:hmm:

[Pitch&Fan]

Hi T9,

Firstly... Don't let the comments on this forum get you down... Most of the guys who will shoot down your question are not worth listening to anyway!

1. A simulator based (Zero Flight Time Rating) conversion for an A340 will cost much the same as one on a B737, Dash-8, CRJ or A320. So that is not really the issue, and such conversions may be arranged via a number of providers in the USA, Canada, or in Europe.

2. A rating on an applicable type (as used by your target employer) will most certainly make you competitive in an application process.

3. There are a number of airlines, most specifically in the East, who will look at your application if rated. Try talking to a company like Rishworth Aviation to determine the exact market and requirements.

Good luck Mate!

Pitch&Fan

[LittleMo]

I'm suprised nobody has brought up the Smiling Crocodile... he'll take your/your daddy's hard earned dinero, type rate you and even let you have the honour of flying the EMB120/ B732 for a mininmal salary every month. He might even pay you your salary he owes you within 3 months of payday :}

Ok so I'm being a bit sarcastic but I' not far off. question is, how does the man get away with it? Surely flying for those guys with the Orange 800's doesnt allow him to fly for other airlines because of A) contractual obligation and B) FDP considerations. I've heard stories of guys doing a DAR and back from Lusaka then paxing back to JNB to do their normal days flying etc. Surely the powers that be know about this as it's not exactly a well kept secret?

[Wings23]

Pack your bags and go to Maun. Simple as that. A340 rating? Why would you want to do that? WORK and MAKE money on what you can! If its a 206, so be it. You cannot ask the bank to buy you that experience!

These guys who say they have looked everywhere for work and cant find any simply arent trying hard enough! Go to Maun, Namibia, Zambia, Tanzania. You will find something!

[indianbullcharge]

If you want to go and pay for a type rating after getting a thousand hours (or probably more) then go for it if you think the numbers add up. By this stage you will probably have a(slightly) better idea of what this industry is about.
But coming out of flight school and buying a decent sized jet rating wont get you too far.
Living in a s...t hole for a while will also teach you a few more things than just flying an aeroplane.
10 points for looking and planning ahead mate but starting at the bottom will make getting to the top all that much more sweeter.

Best of luck