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JammedStab
31st Jul 2008, 15:48
Voice Control

The Typhoon DVI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Voice_Input) system utilises a Speech Recognition Module (SRM), developed by Smiths Aerospace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiths_Industries) (now GE Aviation Systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GE_Aviation_Systems)) and the then Computing Devices (now General Dynamics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics) UK). It was the first production DVI system utilised in a military cockpit. DVI provides the pilot with an additional natural mode of command and control over approximately 26 non-critical cockpit functions, to reduce pilot workload, improve aircraft safety, and expand mission capabilities.




What are some of these non-critical critical cockpit functions?

Jimmy Macintosh
31st Jul 2008, 16:44
I think,

Holy sh*t : Drops chaff and flares.
Die bustard Die : Fires selected weapon.

Jetex Jim
31st Jul 2008, 19:32
Having searched hard, for abot 2 seconds, and come up with:
Eurofighter Typhoon - Direct Voice Input (DVI) (http://www.eurofighter.com/et_as_vt_dv.asp)

We find that:
DVI allows the pilot to activate non-safety critical moding and data entry functions as an alternative to using manual methods.
Options include:

Manual data entry
Multi-Function Head Down Display (MHDD) selection and manipulation
Radio selection and navigation route manipulation
Target selection
Target allocation to formation members

GZ stickman
1st Aug 2008, 09:12
"What the hell?" - Steering to nearest diversion.

"2's Blind" - Activates ejection seat

"Zzzzzzzz..." - Engage autopilot

FlightTester
1st Aug 2008, 17:14
Without giving away anything - DVI provides an intuitive interface with the aircraft. As you correctly point out it takes away most of the knob twiddling and button pushing. I did the flight test on it back in 2003ish. It's analogous to using voice commands on my cell phone or in the car.

TiffyFGR4
1st Aug 2008, 20:14
Very good idea this DVI business...Telling the Typhoon to kill something, at least it won't hesitate.

"Target allocation to formation members".

That'd come in pretty handy too.

Do any other aircraft have this system? I guess the F22 does....Does it not?

Jackonicko
1st Aug 2008, 20:42
It does not.

Lockheed looked hard at the EF DVI for F-22 but the USAF would not fund it.

Nor does the F-22 have a helmet, an IRST, or a decent HOBS missile, and it will be some time before it can share its sensor picture with anything but another F-22, since it lacks a decent datalink.

Dunhovrin
1st Aug 2008, 20:49
"Where'd who go?"

Next...

Jetex Jim
1st Aug 2008, 21:05
Lockheed looked hard at the EF DVI for F-22 but the USAF would not fund it.
Nor does the F-22 have a helmet, an IRST, or a decent HOBS missile, and it will be some time before it can share its sensor picture with anything but another F-22, since it lacks a decent datalink.


Cripes!

Could it be that Typhoon, rather being than the expensive white elephant that we've all been told it is, IS in fact on the cutting edge of capability?

And in fact, quite a decent bit of kit.

Stitchbitch
1st Aug 2008, 22:27
Jacko, if the F22 doesn't have a helmet, do we refer to it as a 'she' ? In fact, pretty sure the Typhoon doesn't have one too...:eek:

TiffyFGR4
1st Aug 2008, 23:47
Jackonicko, helmet mounted sights you mean?

I knew the F22 didn't have IRST HOBS missile etc.....I'd thought it'd have DVI at least!!! Can't think why they wouldn't want to fund it.....It's a canny system. Makes work for the pilot alot easier.

Would've thought the F22 had those little gizmos, especialy when they seem to think it's the jack of all trades at a silly high price.

Ah well....Tiffy has them, thats good enough for me.

Jackonicko
2nd Aug 2008, 00:17
Typhoon helmet is due any time. Partz and his chums have been flying it for some time.

Lockheed say that the F-22 helmet is indefinitely delayed, because they "can't map the cockpit."

So yes, the Typhoon does have some toys that the F-22 doesn't.

But the F-22 has all aspect Stealth. Thrust vectoring. Better supercruise. AESA.

Phochs3
2nd Aug 2008, 09:52
Why is everyone always surprised at the capability of the Typhoon? Ask anyone who's flown it (in any role) and they won't have a bad word to say about it. There's lots of criticism / lack of knowledge / interest in the ac from within the RAF making us by far our harshest critics/cynics....maybe this is healthy.....maybe this makes us our own worst enemy.

NutLoose
2nd Aug 2008, 12:42
Upon power up it says....

" Welcome to Eurofighter Typhoon, I am your state of the art ride for today and I am RAF Production number 20 of our planned force of 250...err 249...err 232..."
"Weapons check now in progress, please standby....whilst i try to locate if I have a gun fitted......" ;)


Or in the best Catch 22 moment....

Pilot " Aircraft.... Guns Guns Guns"
Aircraft "Congratualtions you have just been awarded 4 shares in M & M enterprises"

TiffyFGR4
2nd Aug 2008, 12:51
I'm not surprised the Typhoon has these gizmos, I'm just surprised that the F-22 doesn't. Yes the F-22 has "Stealth", thrust vectoring, AESA, but the Typhoon will get AESA too, along with Meteor which will make Typhoon more potent that it is now. Stealth? Not really needed if you have stand off weapons, Storm Shadow, Meteor etc. Not sure about thrust vectoring though? I think that'd be one of, if not, the last things Typhoon gets as a upgrade, I'd like to see that happen at some point, but the consortium seem more interested in getting AESA, Meteor, A/G & something else I may have missed than TV right now, have to wait & see.

I've never read, heard or whatever any pilot thats flown the Typhoon say anything bad about it, they've always been mightily impressed by it. People that criticize it are just critics that know nothing about aviation or fan-boys that moan about it, call it a "fraud" because it waxed their favourite aeroplane....They call it a "fraud" but they never say why. At the end of the day, pilots that fly it know better than anyone else.

Personally I think it's a great piece of kit =)

FlightTester
2nd Aug 2008, 16:17
I seem to remember that there are at least a couple of TV EJ200's floating around the test empire somewhere.

Stealth - adds a huge amount of complexity. Now both the Raptor and the Typhoon are first look, first shoot, first kill aircraft which means they need to have some degree of stealthy ability but generally only in the head-on aspect. Once you're into the knife fight in a phonebox, stealth doesn't offer any advantage.

TiffyFGR4
3rd Aug 2008, 01:15
Yeah I remember that too. I remember reading in a 'Air Force Monthly' magazine that the Spanish are interested in TV for their Typhoons, that was some years ago now though, Italians, don't really seem fussed about TV, I guess they're more than happy with what they've got, Germans, heard also that they're interested in TV, I read that some time ago too, British......Only heard about a BAE (Or was it a RAF pilot?) say it's nice for airshows....Thats pretty much it......Of what I've heard/read about anyway.

Time will tell......Kind of hoping they add TV to Typhoon.

"Stealth" is good for some things, but like you say, once you're in a knife fight in a phonebox stealth doesn't offer any advantage. It's as good as useless really. You may be stealthy going into a country but you sure as hell wont be stealthy coming out of it......But it depends on the situation I guess....

And, being close to a target while in "Stealth mode" & not being seen (supposedly) is jolly nice...But being far away from a target with a stand off weapon is better....I believe it is anyway.

Just my opinion, not knocking anything.

Backwards PLT
3rd Aug 2008, 05:50
I think that the whole point about next gen aircraft (and Typhoon :} -only kidding) is that they have enough SA and decent enough weapons to not need TV. This is doubly true if you have stealth and a LPI radar. Its actually far more useful to be in high block 4 doing M1.6 and then be able to pull 4g than it is to be able to do super-duper turns at the merge.

Of course aircraft requirements are written by ex-fighter pilots who remember the old days and younger ones who enjoy BFM far more than that boring BVR stuff. And looking good at airshows is actually a good selling point.

Just wondering why you can't be stealthy on the egress? Agree about the stand-off weapons, though.

Flyingblind
3rd Aug 2008, 11:56
Backwards PLT said;

'Just wondering why you can't be stealthy on the egress?'

Not trying to be smart but i thought about that question too until i thought a bit about it, if, after dropping all my explosive bits onto someone else's gear and breaking it, i think i would want to get out of there quickly = Afterburners! or parts there of.

Happy to be corrected though.

Stitchbitch
3rd Aug 2008, 19:39
Jackonico, lets hope anytime is anytime soon eh? Are these the 'moulded to the users head' jobs? :eek:

Jackonicko
3rd Aug 2008, 19:44
Let's hope indeed.

Otherwise the perspicacity of those who asked "why not use the Jag HMSS as an interim" will be obvious.....

AdrianDW
4th Aug 2008, 21:11
Shurely it must have a nice little cradle in the pit somewhere that the driver can plug latest shiny Nokia / Jesus Phone toy into?

Granted GSM or 3G don't work well at 30,000 ft and cell handovers probably a little dicky at M1 point something, but Google Maps, GPS, cricket scores, and with voice activation no need to go hands off to dial.

Christ, now the MOD will actually think about this as a route to reducing comms upgrade costs....

Stitchbitch
4th Aug 2008, 21:41
Always thought the Jag HMSS would work well in the other single seat attack aircraft, and it'd be quite usefull in the current climate. Looks a bit complicated...:O

Kiwiconehead
5th Aug 2008, 07:48
As you correctly point out it takes away most of the knob twiddling

There's a joke in there somewhere - I know it.

WolvoWill
5th Aug 2008, 10:28
Always thought the Jag HMSS would work well in the other single seat attack aircraft, and it'd be quite usefull in the current climate. Looks a bit complicated...:O

Have read things to suggest that the GR9 will shortly be trialed by 41sqn with a helmet mounted sight - apparently a variant of the JHMCS used by the USN/USAF. Operational sometime next year if all things go to plan, apparently :)

TiffyFGR4
5th Aug 2008, 14:30
So finally the GR9 will get ASRAAM? Maybe?.....

WolvoWill
5th Aug 2008, 15:02
Well, maybe it will have eventually, but JHMCS is pretty useful for the air to ground mission too and I expect it's integration is mainly aimed to improving capabilities here rather than against airborne threats.

A GR9 isn't going to get into any dogfights anytime soon (hopefully) and probably wouldn't fare that well when faced with a credible airborne threat either, whether it has ASRAAM or not. Whilst a better self defence missile would be nice, I doubt it will get funded here as it would cost a fair bit more to add on than just the sight alone, though it could be added later and would benefit from any HMSS.

modtinbasher
5th Aug 2008, 19:00
"Please refer to the following instructions. Please speak clearly after the tone.

If you want to go up, say one

If you want to go down say two

If you want to go left say three

If you want to go right say four

For any other thoughts, please say other..... and hang on....

If you want to eject say one hundred million, seven hundred and fiftythree thousand, five hundred and fortysix decimal seven two, followed by your inside leg measurement and hat size, you will then be given five other menus.


Please speak slowly at all times"


Enjoy
MTB

ruslan124
5th Aug 2008, 19:11
The F22 does not but the F35 does. It is speaker independent and very accurate. The Rockwell Collins ProLine Fusion Avionics will have it as an option and the Boeing Apache is evaluating it under an R&D program. The same system has also been used to demonstrate the benefits of voice control for interaction with Unmanned Air Vehicles.

TiffyFGR4
6th Aug 2008, 23:25
Wonder if the DVI system in the Typhoon can understand the Geordie accent? heheheXD

Geordie pilot: Ya, gotta target on me radar like, fox 2 wor kid..
Typhoon: ???????
Geordie pilot: C'mon man, FIRE!!
Typhoon: ??????.......
Geordie pilot: FOR F*CK SAKE MAN WILL YA FIRE!!!!
Typhoon: ???????.......
Geordie pilot talks to wingman: Ya? Bunny? Me Tiffy wont fire me Meteor!!
Bunny: Do it the old fashioned way old boy because that SU-27 is getting rather jolly close old chap!
Geordie pilot: F*CKING REET! Presses a button & off it goes*! Kills SU-27*

Back home for tea & medals**

Ohhhh sorry that's a bad joke...Sorry I'm bored heheheXD