Ryanair Buys 20 B787s

[crewcostundercontrol]

According to the published list of orders from Boeing, Ryanair have just bought 20 787 aircraft. They have also changed their website to include world wide destinations in their route map.

Looks like chav class to the USA for €1 is finally here.

I can see the add in Flight International now.

"Join the High Pay Airline and fly long haul with Ryanair"

Only €40,000 joining fee and 10 year bond required, minimum level of experience required is a pulse and the ability to be screwed by MOL for the next 20 years an advantage. Salary will be up to or over €100,000 but only 10% for the first 5 years then rising a further 10% a year for the next 5 years.
Oh yes and 45 min report and bring your own tea bags.:D

[richarjm]

Can you provide a link to the relevant Boeing data? I did notice the new destination map but I thought it was just for tenerife etc to get better coverage. I could find no mention of Ryanair 787 orders on their website.

[TwoOneFour]

What published list? Nothing on Boeing's order books as of 22/7, and they wouldn't have mentioned a customer before Ryanair. And no mention from Ryanair. Convince me :hmm:

[MrHorgy]

Sounds like a crock to me. Nothing on Boeing's website, no new destinations on the website, only a way of scrolling across the pond.

If MOL were to do this he'd probably do it across the front page of every newspaper in the country on a flying model, as he has done previously.

No peep from the company either (although that's not new!)

And anyway, if he was to make an order he'd probably want something he can get hold of easily, I still think he'd order 777's - means he can pinch pilots from other operators as well to fly them!

Horgy

[crewcostundercontrol]

I have it on good authority from someone who does donky work for Ryanair that this is true, here is the link:
The Boeing Company (http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/)

If you look you will see there ar 23 unidentified orders for the 787. They belong to the Ryans.

[Max Tow]

Gosh...so they ordered 3 more in the last 20 minutes!

[TwoOneFour]

So it's not "according to the published list" at all...

It's well-known that Ryanair's interested. And those UFO 787s have been there a while. O'Leary may or may not be the customer, but confirmed it ain't.

[Jet22]

But what will this mean to long haul. We already have Air Asia X doing LCC long haul but they are doing it to MAJOR airports.

The typical ryanair model is to fly into smaller airports that are in a radious of about 150 miles max(maybe wrong) of the city they want to serve so how would this work doing long haul.

They wont be able to get premium pax because they will be flying into Albany for New York etc?

[crewcostundercontrol]

TwoOneFour

If you better informed than me then good for you, but as I have said I have it from someone who is ACTUALY dealing with the project........

[EI-BUD]

If Ryanair were in the market for an order for Long Haul aircraft I would think that there would have been info floating about re Airbus Vs Boeing.

I would suggest that yes they will purchase aircraft, but i would suggest that it is premature. MOL has said that when the market hits a low he will be in a good place to buy at the right price. I dont think that time is here yet despite high fuel prices cut backs etc.
However the world map on their website is interesting, but I would simply see that as a piece of software that has the whole world on it.

EI-BUD

[TwoOneFour]

This is Ryanair's testimony from the Joint Committee on Transport last week. Just posting for curiosity's sake, and to stir the pot. :}



Deputy Pat Breen: Has Ryanair placed an order for new Boeing aircraft?

Mr. Michael O’Leary: Approximately 123 aircraft will be delivered to us during the next three years at a cost of just over $10 billion. During the coming weeks, we will announce new airports, bases and routes. Tomorrow, I will announce seven new UK routes. We are not suddenly grounding aeroplanes because oil is at $130 per barrel. Rather, we are cutting back winter capacity at expensive airports, such as Dublin and Stansted. Some of the aircraft will fly at cheaper airports, but those at Dublin Airport will sit on the ground until they start flying again next April.


Deputy Pat Breen: Are all Ryanair’s orders for the 737s or has it considered the Dreamliner, the 787?

Mr. Michael O’Leary: We are a 737 operation. The 787 would not operate in our economics in that one cannot undertake 25-minute turnarounds with it. One could not get people off of the aeroplane. It is a long aircraft.

[NWSRG]

Not in a million years would I cross the pond with FR...incessant opportunities for cheap tat to be sold over the PA system, being shot down rather than landing, FAs who speak some language, but not one I recognise, a rugby scrum to get on the damn thing in the first place, a price for every amenity (a £10 sandwich anyone), and destinations such as Orlando (Jacksonville).

No, no, no, no, no...don't give MOL a transatlantic licence! :ugh:

[Copenhagen]

O'Leary continues:

Parliamentary Debates (Official Report - Unrevised) JOINT COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORT Wednesday, 16 July 2008 - Page 6 (http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=TRJ20080716.xml&Ex=All&Page=6)

"It will be approximately 18 months to two years after such a collapse in aircraft values" before they order long haul aircraft

This rumour is bull****.

[skyman771]

crewcostundercontrol
I have it on good authority from someone who does donky work for Ryanair that this is true,
Some :eek:"Donky!!":eek:

[oversteer]

Never mind the 787, I want to know what the Boeing Business Jet 744s will be like!

[OliWW]

Honistly I dont think Ryanair will want to expand to the long haul market at the moment, they have been thinking about it im sure and love the idea, but with the economy in american and the economy state of the UK and the way it will still become if gordan brown is kept in until 2010 election, I dont think people will be able to afford to pay to fly all over the world, tax will be very high, even on a new aircraft, and landing fee's in american have gone up 1/4 aparantally... If FR were to go long haul, i dont believe they should start until atleast 2011 because hopefully by then the downfall in the market would have been taken care off, and the olympics would be coming up, which will get people travelling again even if money is tight, hopefully it wont be by that time, But the 787.8 can hold upto 290 pax in a 2 class cabin, which i would have thought would be good for FR as its not as expensive as the 787.9 which would only carry 320 in 2 class cabin, but fly the same distance... I think it would be great for FR to fly long haul, but i honistly doubt it for the next year or so...

[Facelookbovvered]

When i went to sleep it was July the 26th and now i wake up on April the 1st!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!don't know what i drank, but i'll have another

Cheers

[ryansf]

I highly doubt they are getting 787s. Only a few weeks ago Mr O'Leary said that they would only start long haul if they could get aircraft cheap from a bankrupt airline. Those who say they won't put up with FRs cramped conditions over the atlantic....don't fly them and don't complain about it! I'll happily fly them if it means cheaper fares.

[james170969]

Exactly!! People have a choice of whether to fly with Ryanair or not. Love them or loathe them I have found Ryanair to be the most punctual and reliable airline that I have flown with although when things go wrong passengers are treated badly. But I don't like the way they nickel and dime you for everything they can possibly think of. Anyway, I remember a while ago, Michael O'Leary saying that any long haul routes would be operated not by Ryanair but by a "sister airline" and would also include business class in which certain "services" would be provided!!!!!!!!!!

[dubh12000]

You mean EI...:}

But they've ordered 350s:ok:

[Stop Stop Stop]

This person who does the 'donky' work- is he a taxi driver or a caterer? In my experience- these people know what is happening to the company way before the crew know!

Still I think it highly unlikely that Ryanair in its present form will ever operate Dreamliners across the pond.

However, they once said man would never walk on the moon...

[HH6702]

I wouldnt be shocked if this becomes true (long haul flights)

Just think MOL could be on a winner here!
credit crunch nobody will want to pay high airfares to the USA so ryanair comes along and offers the flights at cheap prices it could work.

The short haul flights will see cut backs over the next year or so and FR still have many on order so maybe they have changed it slighty and getting a few 787's instead.

:ok:

[RAT 5]

Or is MOL reviving Guinness Peat? Said company was started by Ryan family before ryanair. MOL buys B738's at knockdown prices and now sells the early ones for little or no loss, perhaps even profit. Is he buying up B787's at knockdown prices to then lease them to a demanding market at exhorbitant prices, or sell his slots at profit? It's been done with exotic cars when there was a waiting list; it was done by Guninness Peat, so why not the prodical son? The man makes money and runs an airline like a chocolate factory. It's not an airline, it's a money factory. Aeroplanes are not the crux of it, but if they can make a profit then wacko.

[Abusing_the_sky]

You don't like Ryanair? You don't like it's prices/landings/cabin crew?

Get a grip. Ryaniar DOES get you SAFELY from A to B. You don't like it? DON'T BLOODY USE IT then! It makes no difference to their economics, there's always 10 other pax who'd try and buy your seat hence why the flights are in majority fully booked.

As for MOL being a money grabbing :mad:.... Tell me, exactly what would YOU do if you'd own your own airline??:ugh:

[flyer_18-737]

What other airline around this globe has the money and time for a 787. I think Ryanair is the most obvious.

MOL gives 1p fares in this stricken aviation fuel world, so who says he wont release the 787's

[Skipness One Echo]

How poor would you have to be to force Ryanair on the long haul family holiday.....? The thought isn't a pleasant one. Transatlantic travel in economy is already subsidised by the front end on the majors so often I don't pay the going rate anyway. How much cheaper would Ryanair make it? Scary thought.