snowylandings
14th Jul 2008, 20:38
The near hits are all over the news media but aren't being discussed much.
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Federal safety board probing 2nd near miss at Kennedy
BY MICHAEL AMON | [email protected] ([email protected]&subject=Federal%20safety%20board%20probing%202nd%20near%20mi ss%20at%20Kennedy) July 13, 2008 The National Transportation Safety Board launched a probe yesterday into a second close call at Kennedy Airport (http://www.newsday.com/topic/travel/transportation/air-transportation/kennedy-airport-PLTRA0000041.topic) involving two planes that came within a half-mile and 600 feet of colliding.
Friday afternoon's near miss occurred in nearly identical circumstances to a scare on July 5 at Kennedy: one plane aborted a landing just as another jet was taking off on a perpendicular runway, prompting evasive maneuvers to avert tragedy.
"We're going to investigate both near misses in the same investigation," NTSB spokesman Terry Williams said yesterday.
Quick thinking and calm directions by a Kennedy Airport air traffic controller helped steer the two jets away from disaster Friday at 1:20 p.m.
"Comair 1520, turn right, heading 185 - turn right," the controller said, giving compass headings to a pilot on Comair Flight 1520. The Bombardier CRJ900 jet had departed as a larger plane - Delta Flight 123, a Boeing (http://www.newsday.com/topic/economy-business-finance/manufacturing-engineering/aerospace-manufacturing/boeing-co.-ORCRP017215.topic) 767 - screamed toward it at 180 mph after an aborted landing on another runway.
The controller urged the Delta pilot to make a sharp left. For 45 tense seconds, the two planes executed turns and came within 0.55 miles of each other horizontally and 600 feet of altitude. Finally, an evidently relieved controller told the Comair pilot he was safe to proceed on his planned course.
On July 5, an arriving Boeing 737 operated by Cayman Air aborted a landing and came within 0.59 miles and 300 feet of a departing LAN Chile Boeing 767, FAA officials said.
The two incidents occurred on the same runways and, on Friday, the FAA said it was altering how planes take off and land on those airstrips. Before, the runways, which do not intersect, were operated independently of each other. Now, departing planes on one strip must wait for arriving planes to land on the other before taking off.
The Air Traffic Controllers Association labor union said they have pressed the FAA to change takeoff and landing rules at Kennedy for more than a decade. Of the two recent incidents, Dean Iacopelli, an air traffic controller at the Kennedy Tower and a union representative, said: "I don't want to say these were crises but they weren't routine. It was extraordinarily unusual."
But FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown (http://www.newsday.com/topic/sports/laura-brown-PESPT000902.topic) said the two Kennedy incidents "were not unusual." While Brown could not say how often such incidents occur, she said aborted landings - generally speaking - happen "a number of times every day, somewhere in the country."
Brown said the FAA was making the runway changes "to add an extra margin of safety."
Air traffic controllers, citing FAA regulations, said planes should not pass within 1,000 feet of each other vertically and three to five miles horizontally. These two incidents, the union said, were therefore "operational errors," which would trigger an internal FAA probe.
FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown said the agency did not believe the incidents were operational errors.
Close call at Kennedy
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I made this:
YouTube - jfk two airprox july 2008 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97vSkyJNDG0)
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Federal safety board probing 2nd near miss at Kennedy
BY MICHAEL AMON | [email protected] ([email protected]&subject=Federal%20safety%20board%20probing%202nd%20near%20mi ss%20at%20Kennedy) July 13, 2008 The National Transportation Safety Board launched a probe yesterday into a second close call at Kennedy Airport (http://www.newsday.com/topic/travel/transportation/air-transportation/kennedy-airport-PLTRA0000041.topic) involving two planes that came within a half-mile and 600 feet of colliding.
Friday afternoon's near miss occurred in nearly identical circumstances to a scare on July 5 at Kennedy: one plane aborted a landing just as another jet was taking off on a perpendicular runway, prompting evasive maneuvers to avert tragedy.
"We're going to investigate both near misses in the same investigation," NTSB spokesman Terry Williams said yesterday.
Quick thinking and calm directions by a Kennedy Airport air traffic controller helped steer the two jets away from disaster Friday at 1:20 p.m.
"Comair 1520, turn right, heading 185 - turn right," the controller said, giving compass headings to a pilot on Comair Flight 1520. The Bombardier CRJ900 jet had departed as a larger plane - Delta Flight 123, a Boeing (http://www.newsday.com/topic/economy-business-finance/manufacturing-engineering/aerospace-manufacturing/boeing-co.-ORCRP017215.topic) 767 - screamed toward it at 180 mph after an aborted landing on another runway.
The controller urged the Delta pilot to make a sharp left. For 45 tense seconds, the two planes executed turns and came within 0.55 miles of each other horizontally and 600 feet of altitude. Finally, an evidently relieved controller told the Comair pilot he was safe to proceed on his planned course.
On July 5, an arriving Boeing 737 operated by Cayman Air aborted a landing and came within 0.59 miles and 300 feet of a departing LAN Chile Boeing 767, FAA officials said.
The two incidents occurred on the same runways and, on Friday, the FAA said it was altering how planes take off and land on those airstrips. Before, the runways, which do not intersect, were operated independently of each other. Now, departing planes on one strip must wait for arriving planes to land on the other before taking off.
The Air Traffic Controllers Association labor union said they have pressed the FAA to change takeoff and landing rules at Kennedy for more than a decade. Of the two recent incidents, Dean Iacopelli, an air traffic controller at the Kennedy Tower and a union representative, said: "I don't want to say these were crises but they weren't routine. It was extraordinarily unusual."
But FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown (http://www.newsday.com/topic/sports/laura-brown-PESPT000902.topic) said the two Kennedy incidents "were not unusual." While Brown could not say how often such incidents occur, she said aborted landings - generally speaking - happen "a number of times every day, somewhere in the country."
Brown said the FAA was making the runway changes "to add an extra margin of safety."
Air traffic controllers, citing FAA regulations, said planes should not pass within 1,000 feet of each other vertically and three to five miles horizontally. These two incidents, the union said, were therefore "operational errors," which would trigger an internal FAA probe.
FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown said the agency did not believe the incidents were operational errors.
Close call at Kennedy
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I made this:
YouTube - jfk two airprox july 2008 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97vSkyJNDG0)